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Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:10pm On Mar 13
Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit?

2 Timothy 4:14-15 (KJV)

Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

Was the bolded prayer of apostle Paul inspired of the same Spirit that was in Jesus, who taught us to forgive those who trespass against us so God would forgive us ours, pray for our enemies, bless those who curse us, and reward their evil with good? Matthew 5:44, 6:14-15.

This is also the prayer Jesus who never sinned, prayed for His enemies who had done so much evil Him and were behind His sufferings, crucifixion and death:

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34)

So was it the same Spirit in Jesus that also inspired that prayer of Paul for God to repay his enemy, Alexander the coppersmith, according to the evil he did to him?

Remember this was the same Paul that did much evil to the church while formerly known as Saul before his conversion.

Acts 8:3 (KJV)

As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

Acts 9:1-2 (KJV)

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.


He was said to have consented to the death of Stephen who was stoned to death, but Stephen didn't still pray for God to repay Saul and the rest of his killers with the evil they did against him but that God forgave them according to Christ teachings.

Acts 7:58-60 (KJV)

And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

So this was same Paul who had been forgiven by God despite all his evils he did against the church, probably an answer to Stephen's Christ-like prayer, so what evil could Alexander have done to Paul that was worse that Paul couldn't forgive but asked God to reward him accordingly?

If God had done the same to Paul, and rewarded Paul with all the evil he had done to the church, would he have been able to stand?

Note: This is not to judge or condemn Paul but just to prove that he was also human and not inerrant even in his teachings, because this prayer clearly wasn't inspired by the Spirit of God but of the apostle's flesh.

Therefore if anyone followed his example in this prayer, the person would also be walking in gross error despite it being in the Bible and coming from a true apostle of Christ.

That's why we keep urging people to take priority of the teachings of Jesus over those of anyone else, including the apostles, because Jesus was inerrant but they were not.

God bless.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Righteousness2(m): 9:47pm On Mar 13
Bro stop confusing yourself with unneccessary talks.
The Bible is the WORD of GOD.
All Scripture is given by Inspiration of GOD .

Do you know it is a righteous thing for GOD to recompense Tribulation to those that trouble his people?
What would you say about JESUS CHRIST when he described Herod as a Fox.

Quit all these ramblings. You end Up Confusing yourself for unnecessary reason.

The Word of GOD, the Holy Bible is a compleye Inspiration from GOD to teach us, Guide us, lead us and mould us.
Any idea outside what is contained in the scriptures is an act of Confusing yourself.

There is nothing like word of paul, word of Elijah, word of John, word of Ezekiel , Word pf Moses and all that talk.
ALL Scriptures is given by the Inspiration of GOD.
The Bible is the Word of GOD. You cannot be Wiser than GOD.


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Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by jesusjnr2020(m): 9:49pm On Mar 13
Righteousness2:
Bro stop confusing yourself with unneccessary talks.
The Bible is the WORD of GOD.
All Scripture is given by Inspiration of GOD .

Do you know it is a righteous thing for GOD to recompense Tribulation to those that trouble his people?
What would you say about JESUS CHRIST when he described Herod as a Fox.

Quit all these ramblings. You end Up Confusing yourself for unnecessary reason.

The Word of GOD, the Holy Bible is a compleye Inspiration from GOD to teach us, Guide us, lead us and mould us.
Any idea outside what is contained in the scriptures is an act of Confusing yourself.

The Bible is the Word of GOD.


So in a nutshell, you mean this prayer of apostle Paul in the Bible was also inspired of God and Christians should emulate it right?
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Righteousness2(m): 9:58pm On Mar 13
jesusjnr2020:
So in a nutshell, you mean this prayer of apostle Paul in the Bible was also inspired of God and Christians should emulate it right?

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness


Drop all these uneccsary talks.
Stick to the Scriptures. Dont be wise in your own eyes.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by jesusjnr2020(m): 10:10pm On Mar 13
Righteousness2:


ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness


Drop all these uneccsary talks.
Stick to the Scriptures. Dont be wise in your own eyes.

Thought as much, for someone proven to be more concerned about pleasing men than speaking the Truth.

Do you have any idea the damage unforgiveness can cause to a christian?

But you don't care about Christians who could be misled by such erroneous teachings in the Bible.

You're afraid to back the Truth of Christ teachings even when it's glaring because you're afraid of ruffling feathers of your fellow Christians.

Continue deceiving yourself and others but you can't deceive God.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Righteousness2(m): 11:58pm On Mar 13
Drop your sense and stick to God's sense.
Stick to God's word, the Holy Bible.
The Foolishness of God is wiser than the wisest of men.
The Bible, the word is more than enough for all generations to know and understand God's will and program .

I Better deceive myself with what is in the Word of GOD, the Bible , than to be wise in my own eyes creating irrelevant imaginations that takes me out of the bible

The Gospel is too simple to be complicated.


God Almighthy show you Mercy and rescue you before the Devil drowns you completely with useless and unnecessary genalogies, Heresis, arguments and talks that takes you out from the Bible and have nothing to do or add to your life.


jesusjnr2020:
Thought as much, for someone proven to be more concerned about pleasing men than speaking the Truth.

Do you have any idea the damage unforgiveness can cause to a christian?

But you don't care about Christians who could be misled by such erroneous teachings in the Bible.

You're afraid to back the Truth of Christ teachings even when it's glaring because you're afraid of ruffling feathers of your fellow Christians.

Continue deceiving yourself and others but you can't deceive God.

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Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by FxMasterz: 1:41am On Mar 14
jesusjnr2020:
Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit?

2 Timothy 4:14-15 (KJV)

Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

Was the bolded prayer of apostle Paul inspired of the same Spirit that was in Jesus, who taught us to forgive those who trespass against us so God would forgive us ours, pray for our enemies, bless those who curse us, and reward their evil with good? Matthew 5:44, 6:14-15.

This is also the prayer Jesus who never sinned, prayed for His enemies who had done so much evil Him and were behind His sufferings, crucifixion and death:

"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34)

So was it the same Spirit in Jesus that also inspired that prayer of Paul for God to repay his enemy, Alexander the coppersmith, according to the evil he did to him?

Remember this was the same Paul that did much evil to the church while formerly known as Saul before his conversion.

Acts 8:3 (KJV)

As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.

Acts 9:1-2 (KJV)

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.


He was said to have consented to the death of Stephen who was stoned to death, but Stephen didn't still pray for God to repay Saul and the rest of his killers with the evil they did against him but that God forgave them according to Christ teachings.

Acts 7:58-60 (KJV)

And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

So this was same Paul who had been forgiven by God despite all his evils he did against the church, probably an answer to Stephen's Christ-like prayer, so what evil could Alexander have done to Paul that was worse that Paul couldn't forgive but asked God to reward him accordingly?

If God had done the same to Paul, and rewarded Paul with all the evil he had done to the church, would he have been able to stand?

Note: This is not to judge or condemn Paul but just to prove that he was also human and not inerrant even in his teachings, because this prayer clearly wasn't inspired by the Spirit of God but of the apostle's flesh.

Therefore if anyone followed his example in this prayer, the person would also be walking in gross error despite it being in the Bible and coming from a true apostle of Christ.

That's why we keep urging people to take priority of the teachings of Jesus over those of anyone else, including the apostles, because Jesus was inerrant but they were not.

God bless.

The hurt Alexandra the Coppersmith did Paul was not a personal hurt as you can see in his instructions to Timothy. He was obstructing and opposing the work of the Kingdom, thereby preventing others from entering in. Paul was pained because of that. He asked Timothy to be wary of him.

The prayer Paul prayed is in line with scriptures. "As long as the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest...shall not cease." Genesis 8:22. The prayers align with the law of sowing and reaping.

The Lord Jesus came harder than Paul on those people who did exactly the same things Alexandra the Coppersmith was doing in Christ's day:

Mathew 23:13
"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

Paul was mild. He only prayed for him to reap what he sowed. That's the law of the spirit. It is dangerous for anyone to stand against the kingdom of God.

My friend, you don't know God.

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Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:40am On Mar 14
jesusjnr2020:

Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.

Alexander was criticizing God's word just as the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis did to Jesus and Jesus declared WOE upon them! Matthew 23:13-36

When Jesus prayed for forgiveness he wasn't praying for those criticizing God's word rather the soldiers executing him because they were commanded to do so and instantly God answered Jesus' prayer as one of them declared:

But when the army officer and those with him keeping watch over Jesus saw the earthquake and the things happening, they grew very much afraid and said: “Certainly this was God’s Son" Matthew 27:54

What else does he need for faith in Christ Jesus after acknowledging him as God's Son? John 3:16
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by jesusjnr2020(m): 3:32am On Mar 14
Righteousness2:
Drop your sense and stick to God's sense.
Stick to God's word, the Holy Bible.
The Foolishness of God is wiser than the wisest of men.
The Bible, the word is more than enough for all generations to know and understand God's will and program .

I Better deceive myself with what is in the Word of GOD, the Bible , than to be wise in my own eyes creating irrelevant imaginations that takes me out of the bible

The Gospel is too simple to be complicated.


God Almighthy show you Mercy and rescue you before the Devil drowns you completely with useless and unnecessary genalogies, Heresis, arguments and talks that takes you out from the Bible and have nothing to do or add to your life.



Is that what Jesus Christ told you to preach to all men, but His own teachings? Matthew 28;20

You don't teach men to fully observe what Jesus commanded us, but preaching what Paul taught you.

IS Paul now your Christ?

You must be a Paulian then and not a true Christian because true Christians fully follow the instructions of Christ, not those of men as Paul.

Hence your wisdom is the wisdom of men because it wasn't Christ that told you to preach what you're preaching but the wisdom of men.

I follow the Wisdom of God in Christ Jesus not those of men as Paul.

That wisdom of men has sent many Christians to hell because it teaches men not to forgive their enemies as Christ taught us, but to follow the erroneous teachings of Paul and other men of God which encourage unforgiveness.

You think you can escape the wrath of God if you don't follow Christ's teaching on forgiveness?

Ask other preachers who would have ended up spending eternity in hell for not rejecting Christ's teaching on forgiveness, as the founder of RCCG, Rev Josiah Olufemi Akindayomi, if not that God gave them a second chance after death to correct that gross error.

https://www.nairaland.com/7555321/these-three-church-leaders-bound#120646586

So you're a small boy for even your church leader, Israel Muoka would not escape hell if he doesn't follow Jesus teaching on forgiveness because no man is above Christ's teachings not even Paul.

If you be arguing blindly and don't repent of unforgiveness, thinking you can get away with rejecting the teachings of Christ on forgiveness, all your preaching will be in vain, and you may not get a second chance to make amends as those church leaders.

Our preaching the teachings of Christ is to save blind Christians like you from a similar destructive path, but if you like reject it.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:15am On Mar 14
jesusjnr2020:
So in a nutshell, you mean this prayer of apostle Paul in the Bible was also inspired of God and Christians should emulate it right?

You obviously have become an enemy of God.which is why you are afraid and jittery when Christians curse you as you have now been cut off from God so you forget that He Said He gave Authority to.trample on snakes and scorpions and to comdemn every tongue that is risen againat us.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:19am On Mar 14
jesusjnr2020:
Is that what Jesus Christ told you to preach to all men, but His own teachings? Matthew 28;20..

Satan and mad kobojunkie have gotten you exactly as atheists told you that you are actually an atheist still deceiving himself.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Jokerman(m): 6:28pm On Mar 14
Jesusjnr


What happened to you🤔
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by Kobojunkie: 6:52pm On Mar 14
Jokerman:
What happened to you🤔
Why do you folks hate the Word of Jesus Christ so? What is it about the words of this man, whose name you pretend to hide behind, that sends your brains running in the opposite direction when even a smidge of His Truth is presented for your consideration? undecided

Below is the commandment from Jesus Christ to all of His followers, yes, including Paul, whom you blindly worship as though a god among men. Jesus Christ specifically instructed His followers not to fight against those who wish to do them harm.
38 You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’
39 But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wanfs to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40 If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41 If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42 Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you. - Matthew 5 vs 38 - 42
Jesus Christ also said that under no circumstances is anyone who belongs to Him to pray [i]against even any of their enemies.
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45 If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46 If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47 And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48 What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. - Matthew 5 vs 43 - 48
Praying against one whom you are instead meant to pray for(in love) of course means praying evil befalls such a one. Jesus Christ never promised evil to any of His enemies and neither did He promise to promise any of the personal enemies of each of His followers. You make enemies of others at your own risk since because Christ will not fight against them on your behalf.

So, if Paul had indeed prayed against Alexander the metalworker, Paul would have violated/sinned against Jesus Christ in this.
14 Alexander the metalworker caused me so much harm. The Lord will punish him for what he did.
15 He fought against everything we teach. You should be careful that he doesn’t hurt you too.
16 The first time I defended myself, no one helped me. Everyone left me. I pray that God will forgive them.
17 But the Lord stayed with me. The Lord gave me strength so that I could tell the Good News everywhere. He wanted all those who are not Jews to hear that Good News. So I was saved from the lion’s mouth.
18 The Lord will save me when anyone tries to hurt me. He will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. Glory forever and ever be the Lord’s. Amen. - 2 Timothy 4 vs 14 - 18
What he wrote of Alexander to Timothy reads more like meaningless gossip. Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear that He did not come to condemn or destroy but to save the Lost sheep of Israel. And Alexander the metalworker may not have even existed within the jurisdiction of that that Jesus Christ came for. undecided

FYI: I am not trying to hold brief in any way for the OP in any way or form as I am vehemently against the religion of men including your Christianity — and all its 47,000 cults/denominations (antichrist groups).
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by jesusjnr2020(m): 8:12am On Mar 17
It's an antichrist prayer going by the teachings of Jesus on forgiveness, but unfortunately the spiritually blind would not be able to realize it.
Re: Was This Prayer Of Apostle Paul Inspired By The Holy Spirit? by AntiChristian: 8:43am On Mar 17
Pauline Christianity!
Paulinity!

grin

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