forgiveness:


Kane's positions

This is not exactly telling right? Son and Richarlison never really played the striker role with Kane on although that is what the formation will suggest right?

And Tottenham can win a penalty with Kane playing as the goal keeper. He will still take it and most likely score.

The data you're presenting is not very representative. Kane plays 2 positions adequately.

Dey argue with Mumudeyhause wey all him football knowledge na agenda against team e no like

I pity you

Android17:
You are typing off tangent and lying while at it.

Foden is 23. Harry Kane's first golden boot in the EPL was 2016 when he was 23. Harry Kane is a striker by the way.

Kane got 2 Epl golden boots at 23 before clocking 24. YES or NO?

Android17:

We are talking talent level of players and you are telling me a striker has more goals than a midfielder. Educated people don't argue that way.

Were you at Yabaleft, eating mango peels, when you typed the emboldened below regarding Kane's goal scoring ability?

Android17:
1. Kane cannot play 5 positions adequately. Kane plays just a couple.
2. Kane does not have the same close control and dribbling.
3. Kane did not have the goal scoring ability at the same age.
4. Kane did not have the individual awards at the same age.
5. Kane could not break into far less quality teams at the age Foden did.
6. Kane did not show the same passing range at the same age.

The only English player with similar talent range as Foden was Rooney - not even Owen who was just a goal scorer.

Eruditor, do you want to lose your testes this time?

Android17:
Kane can only play 9 and 10. He cannot play across the front 3 as he is not quick. So that puts paid to him playing from the wings. He cannot.

His goal scoring is one of his talents which nobody is refuting however he is a striker. That is the first talent he is supposed to have. Kane is worldclass. I am talking about him vs Foden in terms of quantity of talent.

Foden can play LW, RW, SS and false 9. He is a natural 10 yet until this season you barely ever saw him play there.

I think we’re yet to see the best of Foden but you’re over exaggerating his current output or talent.

Fodden might excel in several positions but he’s second best in those positions in the English squad.

He needs to up his game to be the best in one of those positions. Man was practically useless at both AM and RWF against Brazil. Bowen came on and the difference was clear as day.

airmark:


Kane got 2 Epl golden boots at 23 before clocking 24. YES or NO?



Were you at Yabaleft, eating mango peels, when you typed the emboldened below regarding Kane's goal scoring ability?




Eruditor, do you want to lose your testes this time?

Stop wasting my time with your childish rigmaroles. Had Kane won more individual awards at the same age?

Foden is a midfielder so he is not expected to score at the level of an elite striker but he had already shown better scoring ability than Kane from their breakout days. That is the interpretation to people who understand English. It means when given the chance earlier in their careers, Foden showed he could do it faster than Harry Kane.

Therefore Foden's ability to adapt to anything is more advanced at an earlier stage than Harry ended up showing. That is credit Foden.

You should consider a career in working drill bits 'cos you're a boring tool.

Android17:


Foden is a midfielder so he is not expected to score at the level of an elite striker but he had already shown better scoring ability than Kane from their breakout days. That is the interpretation to people who understand English. It means when given the chance earlier in their careers, Foden showed he could do it faster than Harry Kane.

You are an embarrassment to all Android users.

Leyqute:


I think we’re yet to see the best of Foden but you’re over exaggerating his current output or talent.

Fodden might excel in several positions but he’s second best in those positions in the English squad.

He needs to up his game to be the best in one of those positions. Man was practically useless at both AM and RWF against Brazil. Bowen came on and the difference was clear as day.

Nah I am not. Half the people here just can't read.

Foden is not second best to Jude as a 10. He might be second best to other players like Saka or Rashford in the RW or LW positions but he is the best 10 at England's disposal. But that will depend on if the team builds around him.

England can decide if building around Foden is worth it versus building around say Kane or Jude. Until that he will huff and puff like Scholes did for England.

Imagine if Argentina was built around Lautaro instead of Messi or if SAF built around Rooney instead of CR7 when both played together.

All that to say, no matter how good some players are, you'll never see it if the system is not built around them. Palmer is good for Chelsea but was meh at City because the team was not built around him. City just couldn't build around him because it made better sense to do it around KdB or Haaland.

I'm indirectly saying, if England built around Foden they'll more likely win than if it was around Kane, Saka, Jude etc. And I stand by that.

Android17:
Nah I am not. Half the people here just can't read.

Foden is not second best to Jude as a 10. He might be second best to other players like Saka or Rashford in the RW or LW positions but he is the best 10 at England's disposal. But that will depend on if the team builds around him.

England can decide if building around Foden is worth it versus building around say Kane or Jude. Until that he will huff and puff like Scholes did for England.

Imagine if Argentina was built around Lautaro instead of Messi or if SAF built around Rooney instead of CR7 when both played together.

All that to say, no matter how good some players are, you'll never see it if the system is not built around them. Palmer is good for Chelsea but was meh at City because the team was not built around him. City just couldn't build around him because it made better sense to do it around KdB or Haaland.

I'm indirectly saying, if England built around Foden they'll more likely win than if it was around Kane, Saka, Jude etc. And I stand by that.

When they call you to manage england, you ca build your team around foden.

That's how we were hearing doku this, doku that and I was almost cursed but today time has proven me and we are not hearing anything about oluku again from his hype men who were doing the most back then.
One day we'll have a discussion about how some of apari's boys are system players, one day.

airmark:


At Foden's age, Kane had won 2 Epl golden boots, 2 England's player of the year awards, and World cup golden boot. Foden has nothing close to highlight his prowess.

As we speak, they are thinking of changing Bundesliga to KANEdesliga.

Eruditor, don't stretch it (your arm leg).

War ready...You are badass!

WhoDeyHause:

When they call you to manage england, you ca build your team around foden.

Time will tell who is right.

Android17:
Nah I am not. Half the people here just can't read.

Foden is not second best to Jude as a 10. He might be second best to other players like Saka or Rashford in the RW or LW positions but he is the best 10 at England's disposal. But that will depend on if the team builds around him.

England can decide if building around Foden is worth it versus building around say Kane or Jude. Until that he will huff and puff like Scholes did for England.

Imagine if Argentina was built around Lautaro instead of Messi or if SAF built around Rooney instead of CR7 when both played together.

All that to say, no matter how good some players are, you'll never see it if the system is not built around them. Palmer is good for Chelsea but was meh at City because the team was not built around him. City just couldn't build around him because it made better sense to do it around KdB or Haaland.

I'm indirectly saying, if England built around Foden they'll more likely win than if it was around Kane, Saka, Jude etc. And I stand by that.

Foden is not as effective as Bellingham in the no 10 role. His game might be more suited to the role, but Bellingham has better numbers and even technique when he gets into that position.

But that's beside the point.

Foden at 23 might be close to Kane at 23. You may even consider him to be the better player at that age, and I won't argue with you.

The problem is that Foden is not consistent as Kane is, or hasn't shown the level of consistency that Kane has shown over the years. With Foden, you never know for a certainty what you're going to get going into a game.

No sane coach would build a team around players like that.

Everyone you mentioned - CR7, Messi, etc, had a level of consistency to their games. It's easier to build a team around someone like that.

That's why Bellingham edges him in my books. He's still young and can develop into a fantastic, consistent player but he hasn't hit that phenomenal level just yet.

Leyqute:


Foden is not as effective as Bellingham in the no 10 role. His game might be more suited to the role, but Bellingham has better numbers and even technique when he gets into that position.

But that's beside the point.

Foden at 23 might be close to Kane at 23. You may even consider him to be the better player at that age, and I won't argue with you.

The problem is that Foden is not consistent as Kane is, or hasn't shown the level of consistency that Kane has shown over the years. With Foden, you never know for a certainty what you're going to get going into a game.

No sane coach would build a team around players like that.

Everyone you mentioned - CR7, Messi, etc, had a level of consistency to their games. It's easier to build a team around someone like that.

That's why Bellingham edges him in my books. He's still young and can develop into a fantastic, consistent player but he hasn't hit that phenomenal level just yet.

Bellingham was never playing the 10 role until this season. And even at RM most of his goals have come from him being in the false 9 position not even as a 10. Their numbers (G+A) are the same this season

You're right that Foden is not consistent but that is because even at City he is not used in his best role consistently. After his MoM performance against Brentford the other week as a 10, Pep shoved him to the RW the very next game.

CR7 was not consistent until the team was built around him in 2006/7. Maybe you've forgotten when that was the criticism he used to get from 2003-2005. I think SAF even placed a bet with him on scoring 10 goals in a season. Rooney never had great numbers until CR7 left and the team was built around him. He quickly showed he was a 30goal a season player. Prior, Rooney used to do 15 goals 15 assists etc and people accused him of being inconsistent too.

Na one hand this android dey use type all these gibberish?

zeusis:

Beat the likes of kaka, zidane, ronaldinho, el fenomeno e.t.c to clinch this.

Owen was great and all but you have no idea what you're talking about lol....

When he won it, B'dor was a grade B award!

Those guys up there were competing for the grade A award; FIFA world player of the year!

oliverano:




Owen was great and all but you have no idea what you're talking about lol....

When he won it, B'dor was a grade B award!

Those guys up there were competing for the grade A award; FIFA world player of the year!

Same award that had the likes of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, zidane, rivaldo, kaka, Cruyff, platini, beckenbauer, Lev yashin, Figo winning it. Even the only African to win it we are using to brag today George weah.
FIFA was giving it's own award while the France football journalists also gave their own before their brief merger with FIFA so no be you go tell us which award was superior. It's subjective.
Let me even ask you why you do use ballon dors to brag for Messi instead of fifa best award?

Android17:
Bellingham was never playing the 10 role until this season. And even at RM most of his goals have come from him being in the false 9 position not even as a 10. Their numbers (G+A) are the same this season

You're right that Foden is not consistent but that is because even at City he is not used in his best role consistently. After his MoM performance against Brentford the other week as a 10, Pep shoved him to the RW the very next game.

CR7 was not consistent until the team was built around him in 2006/7. Maybe you've forgotten when that was the criticism he used to get from 2003-2005. I think SAF even placed a bet with him on scoring 10 goals in a season. Rooney never had great numbers until CR7 left and the team was built around him. He quickly showed he was a 30goal a season player. Prior, Rooney used to do 15 goals 15 assists etc and people accused him of being inconsistent too.

Bellingham is def more direct than Foden. The duo may have the same goal contributions but Bellingham has impacted more games than Foden. His contributions are spread across more matches whereas Foden has had peak performance in a handful of games.

Furthermore, Jude has created more chances and goal actions than Foden has. He’s very dangerous in and around the opposition’s box because of his immense quality on the ball.

That kind of player is easy to build around going into competitions like the World Cup or Euros because you can easily slot him into your strategy.

SAF had enough games to build a team around a budding CR7, and it was a gradual process with several experts in their positions. Replicating that with Foden in a short period with an English squad filled with talents and easy replacements is a lot of unnecessary work.

There might be a role for Foden, but based on what he’s been on about, Bellingham suits the team better and should start. Maybe Foden can up his game and carve a starting role when he comes on from the bench. Anything is possible.

WhoDeyHause:

Same award that had the likes of Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, zidane, rivaldo, kaka, Cruyff, platini, beckenbauer, Lev yashin, Figo winning it. Even the only African to win it we are using to brag today George weah.
FIFA was giving it's own award while the ballon dor journalists also gave their own before their brief merger with FIFA so no be you go tell us which award was superior. It's subjective.

Nothing against Owen. In his prime, he was unstoppable. But....Factually, FIFA was superior, I think still superior but balondor is more prestigious because it's older.

You can check the quality of players/performances of those who won FIFA player of the year and the old bolondor.

Owen won balondor in 2001 because of what he did in UEFA cup and some domestic cup performances like Fa cup/League cup.

However, same 2001, Figo won FIFA player of the year after helping Madrid to the league title.

1 league title in a top five league greater than grade B cups like UEFA cup, League cup and Fa cup. I reiterate; nothing against Owen. He was indeed a great player!

Leyqute:


Bellingham is def more direct than Foden. The duo may have the same goal contributions but Bellingham has impacted more games than Foden. His contributions are spread across more matches whereas Foden has had peak performance in a handful of games.

Furthermore, Jude has created more chances and goal actions than Foden has. He’s very dangerous in and around the opposition’s box because of his immense quality on the ball.

That kind of player is easy to build around going into competitions like the World Cup or Euros because you can easily slot him into your strategy.

SAF had enough games to build a team around a budding CR7, and it was a gradual process with several experts in their positions. Replicating that with Foden in a short period with an English squad filled with talents and easy replacements is a lot of unnecessary work.

There might be a role for Foden, but based on what he’s been on about, Bellingham suits the team better and should start. Maybe Foden can up his game and carve a starting role when he comes on from the bench. Anything is possible.

Fair enough. Time will tell. Remember England have won nothing thus far. I also want them to test run Jude so that when the team fails, the matter will now depend on another coach who can use Foden better.

This will be another Oscar vs KdB issue.

oliverano:


Nothing against Owen. In his prime, he was unstoppable. But....

Factually, FIFA was superior, I think still superior but balondor is more prestigious because it's older.

You can check the quality of players/performances of those who won FIFA player of the year and the old bolondor.

Owen won balondor in 2001 because of what he did in UEFA cup and some domestic cup performances like Fa cup/League cup.

However, same 2001, Figo won FIFA player of the year after helping Madrid to the league title.

1 league title in a top five league greater than grade B cups like UEFA cup, League cup and Fa cup. I reiterate; nothing against Owen. He was indeed a great player!
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Yes thank God you've even put that the ballon dor was older, infact that's my main weapon in my agenda. FIFA world player awards became more popular not only because it was organized by Fifa but because it looked at players over the globe unlike ballon dor that was looking at only European players before George weah and it also seemed to make choose players the media and fans thought of unlike ballon dor giving stoickhov the award over Ronaldo or nedved winning ahead of Henry. But they're just like the golden globe and Oscar awards, they've always been the two biggest since fifa began hosting theirs in 1991, that's why I said it's subjective and down to personal opinion on which one you think is better.
Owen also had a good case to be the ballon dor winner that year.

Android17:
Fair enough. Time will tell. Remember England have won nothing thus far. I also want them to test run Jude so that when the team fails, the matter will now depend on another coach who can use Foden better.

This will be another Oscar vs KdB issue.

Yeah. Unfortunately Southgate is not sound technically to field both players at the same time and get the best from them.

We'll see how England performs at the Euros tho.

Leyqute:


Yeah. Unfortunately Southgate is not sound technically to field both players at the same time and get the best from them.

We'll see how England performs at the Euros tho.

But jude has been doing decent for himself under southgate. Infact he's been one of their best players but foden has been rubbish cause he's not been able to adapt. Wing problem, midfield problem. Maybe another coach will come and bring the best out of him cause we all know he's very talented though I don't believe he's more talented than Kane.

To what will someone say Foden is a better talent than Kane at 23 yrs old?

Kane was so exceptional that he was tagged one season wonder in his first full season.

Playing in Totham and breaking records (with injury that do take him out at least 1 month every season)

Android say make dem build England around Foden.

Why not Man City build around Foden first let's see how good and consistent he is before thinking about England doing so.

Any player whom a top country builds around must certainly be a big player in his club. The Saka, Kane and Bellingham are all starters at top club for at least 2 years and they're all spine in their teams but no, England should leave them and build around Foden on a platter.

Na so

Jodera:
Android say make dem build England around Foden.

Why not Man City build around Foden first let's see how good and consistent he is before thinking about England doing so.

Any player whom a top country builds around must certainly be a big player in his club. The Saka, Kane and Bellingham are all starters at top club for at least 2 years and they're all spine in their teams but no, England should leave them and build around Foden on a platter.

Na so

After analysing everything it is clear to me that England are phucked. And mainly because of the manager.

The solution is to ask Bellingham to sacrifice and move to the 8 position while Foden plays 10 and Saka is on the right. This gives England the dynamism and fluidity that they currently lack, although it weakens them a bit defensively.

The main reason I think this is the solution is because Foden and Jude are both better in central areas. The other major reason is that England has no experienced option at the 8 position, so Jude can do a really good job there. His stats might not be like his Madrid stats but he is a better option there than the alternatives.

Outside that midfield lineup, the other logical option is to bench either Foden or Jude. Stylistically I prefer a Foden type of 10 to a Jude type cos I believe Foden’s style brings more cohesive play to the team than Jude’s. If Jude is not scoring I am not sure how useful he is to the team’s patterns of play. However in a team without a cohesive style and requiring individual heroic performances from the players, Jude is the better option.

P.S I have noticed a trend whereby Barca fans slander Jude while Arsenal fans slander Foden (cos of Saka). Agenda can never be defeated. 😄

Jodera:
Android say make dem build England around Foden.

Why not Man City build around Foden first let's see how good and consistent he is before thinking about England doing so.

Any player whom a top country builds around must certainly be a big player in his club. The Saka, Kane and Bellingham are all starters at top club for at least 2 years and they're all spine in their teams but no, England should leave them and build around Foden on a platter.

Na so

The same reason France was built around Zidane not Henry when both were playing. KDB is in conversations for being the greatest ever player in EPL history so Foden has to adjust for him. Same way Fabregas was not deployed in midfield when better midfielders like Xavi, Iniesta and Alonso where in the national team.

Same reason Saliba cannot get a shirt for France. Or will Odegaard play 10 for City with KdB? Or will Arteta build his team around Saka vs KDB?

Sportsweb:
Total bullshit.

Foden is nowhere near Kane's level.

Foden isn't even better than Saka and Rashford.


I only blame Spurs Sha.

Foden is better than saka

Stop sneaking in rashford who is not consistent abeg

Android17:
This is not exactly telling right? Son and Richarlison never really played the striker role with Kane on although that is what the formation will suggest right?

And Tottenham can win a penalty with Kane playing as the goal keeper. He will still take it and most likely score.

The data you're presenting is not very representative. Kane plays 2 positions adequately.

It's now adequately!!!?

Oga, just admit Kane can play more than 2 positions. Shikena!!!! All this one na. Grammar.

andrewbaba44:


Foden is better than saka

Stop sneaking in rashford who is not consistent abeg

Foden better than Saka!!!!

Why no bi em dey carry England?

All this paraga joint argument no they ever end for this thread

andrewbaba44:


My favorites in order

France
Germany
England
Portugal /spain



Dark horse : Croatia and Italy ,don’t be surprised if you see any of these 2 wareys make the finals

Croatia golden generation is finished. The last world cup was their last hurrah. Italy under Spalleti might actually shock everyone if they could get a competent striker, their defense and midfield is solid.

andrewbaba44:


Foden is better than saka

Stop sneaking in rashford who is not consistent abeg

Which yeye Foden better than saka? The same Saka that is England's best player for 2 years running ?

Even Foden go argue against u on this one.