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This post is like the topic says, where is Nigeria going? Indeed where can it go? What is our plan for the future of this country? The economic state is terrible, the political state is terrible and the social state is terrible.

Look at our education system! We are still beating children to teach them. I don’t think anyone needs to have a degree in education to see problems with this. Was it fear of cane that drove Albert Einstein to make all his discoveries? In addition our education systems are heavily underfunded. Yet we expect students to arise from here and make great progress in the nation… Why should a child who only has theoretical knowledge in computer do better than a child that has both practical on theoretical knowledge?

I don’t think the mystery is so much why is Nigeria so terrible but that how can we so shamelessly endure being this terrible of a country? It looks as if we are severely lacking in economic pride or patriotism.

Our healthcare systems are also underfunded. Where are we going?? Corruption is rampant and we keep putting in politicians that steal millions and billions from us then they build a few roads with cheap materials and everybody claps when what they should have contributed should have been vastly more.

When will it get better and how? What are the things that will lead to real improvement in this country and how are we trying to get there?

At this point it is only a lack of means keeping most Nigerians in Nigeria, if most of us had the option we would have relocated to America, UK or somewhere else and there will be so little Nigerians in Nigeria to make it a country. Is that the state of a country?

We are going to stand on his manhood

We warned them o

You are neither the first nor the last to ask this. i realized the solution to our problems many years ago but no body listened. Since i nobody wants to listen to me i just bear it and keep watching. I'll patiently watch to the end.

Sunnyconvo:
This post is like the topic says, where is Nigeria going? Indeed where can it go?

Nigeria is going to....

Launch the first spaceship to reach Jupiter before 2026.

superCleanworks:
Nigeria is going to....

Launch the first spaceship to reach Jupiter before 2026.

No oo we go be the frist set of humans to drive keke to the moon

Sadly there is no hope in sight...things keep getting worse with each and every passing year

Until they decide to divide this country into manageable portions, the merry goes round and round and round till infinity.

Head slammers are the people dragging this country backward...

This country can and will never develop till we divide this country ..

Christians and Muslims can't remain in one country ..

We r two different people

ShinjaWWest:
Head slammers are the people dragging this country backward...

This country can and will never develop till we divide this country ..

Christians and Muslims can't remain in one country ..

We r two different people

Hi,

I don’t really see why a country can’t work effectively with both Christians and Muslims. America has both Christians and Muslims and the economic state of America is better than Nigeria. Christians can do their own thing with themselves and Muslims can do their own thing. In my opinion there is no need for arguing between religions.

Sunnyconvo:
Hi,

I don’t really see why a country can’t work effectively with both Christians and Muslims. America has both Christians and Muslims and the economic state of America is better than Nigeria. Christians can do their own thing with themselves and Muslims can do their own thing. In my opinion there is no need for arguing between religions.

Am sure that you know you're lying.

The big probIem with Nigerià is making analyses with points that are pointless.
Was Albert Einstein a kid when he made those discoveries, were discoveries made by kids, 16 year olds are in various universities, are they using cane on them?
The cane analysis is pointIess when talking about educational system.
Another pointless point is making analysis with someone doing theory of computer and others doing practicals, there are tons of schools in Nigeria using computers for practicals and whatever you need to cause transformation in the world today is not learnt in the classroom, another pointless point.
Another pointless point is saying it's lack of means keeping Nigerians in Nigeria, millions of Nigerians can afford migration cost yet they are here in Nigeria because there's no place like home, that's another pointless point, you folks should visit Quora and learn how to communicate with substantial point, you are trying to convey an important message that's delivered with so many pointless points and u ended up passing no message or rather misleading people who are alien to Nigeria with this analyses, the only thing you got spot on here is the health sector, educationaI system is not right but ur analysis about it are totally off point because those things u mentioned are not actually what is wrong with the system.

successmatters:
Am sure that you know you're lying.

I am not lying. Ok you tell me why Muslims and Christians cannot live in peace with each other per se.

I’m not saying America is perfect or that they don’t have their issues on this matter but Muslims and Christians often participate in school, work and other non-religious activities together in America without religious quarrel. They respect each and leave each other alone with their own faith. So I really don’t see why people of different religion cannot get along as long as neither of them are trying to prevent the other from going his way.

JagabanB:
The big probIem with Nigerià is making analyses with points that are pointless.
Was Albert Einstein a kid when he made those discoveries, were discoveries made by kids, 16 year olds are in various universities, are they using cane on them?
The cane analysis is pointIess when talking about educational system.
Another pointless point is making analysis with someone doing theory of computer and others doing practicals, there are tons of schools in Nigeria using computers for practicals and whatever you need to cause transformation in the world today is not learnt in the classroom, another pointless point.
Another pointless point is saying it's lack of means keeping Nigerians in Nigeria, millions of Nigerians can afford migration cost yet they are here in Nigeria because there's no place like home, that's another pointless point, you folks should visit Quora and learn how to communicate with substantial point, you are trying to convey an important message that's delivered with so many pointless points and u ended up passing no message or rather misleading people who are alien to Nigeria with this analyses, the only thing you got spot on here is the health sector, educationaI system is not right but ur analysis about it are totally off point because those things u mentioned are not actually what is wrong with the system.

Hi,

Thanks for your reply. I will address some points you raised below.

As for my Albert Einstein analogy with fear of the cane, I was simply making the point that it is not fear that drives someone to work devotedly on something.

There are many issues with beating a child I.e corporal punishment that have been proven by several studies. I can describe them here but I do not feel the need to, you can easily search and find this yourself. However, if you cannot find them yourself, you can ask me and I will link them here.

Also, I agree that great accomplishments do not typically happen in the levels where corporal punishment is practiced i.e up to Secondary School. However, it should be obvious that how someone is treated at a young age can have significant effects on how they will perform later in life. Corporal punishment can have very negative effects to the individual even still later in life whether the person is aware of it or not.

Another point you mentioned is that many Nigerian schools have computers for practical use. My question to you is do *most* Nigerian schools have updated computers for practical use? Do they allow the students to practice with it in his free time? You support your point by saying that whatever is used to cause transformation in the world today is not learnt in the classroom. Your point to me is like saying that because they don’t teach one new innovations in engineering in the classroom, that the algebra and various things one learns in the classroom is not useful for these innovations to come about. That is not true.

Now on your claims about the usefulness of children having computers to practice, specifically. Having computers available at schools for children to practice, provides them with the opportunity to build a strong foundation in digital literacy and the use of the computer in general which can in turn spark great interest and passion for computers in a child that will of course influence the child’s later activities. There are also many computer softwares that children can practice with which provide the opportunity to not only nurture critical thinking but nurture it using applications that are currently used professionally in real life. Imagine the head start this child would hav by the time he enters University. There is so much benefit. I can give real life examples of this that I have noticed with students from other countries but I don’t think it’s necessary.

Lastly you said millions of Nigeria can afford the cost to migration but they choose to stay because Nigeria is their preference. First I will point out that I said means is preventing “most” Nigerians and Nigeria is a country of over 200 million people. So while there might be millions of Nigerians that choose to stay in Nigeria, there are millions that have relocated from Nigeria and many millions that would do the same if they really had the means…

Also let me point out that, someone being rich in Nigeria does not mean they can afford to live an equivalent level of lifestyle in the US or UK, or that they can even afford to live there at all for an extended period of time. The cost of living is significantly higher and getting a good paying job there as a foreigner from a country where the degrees are not really recognized is also very very difficult even if the person has superb positive experience in their own country. So unless the person has some very good plans to live there, they would be surprised to find they do not actually have the means to do so.

There are of course Nigerians who choose to stay in Nigeria. I’m not doubting that. I know of some that went to U.S for University and even earned a living there then moved back to Nigeria later. However, it is not to broaden their horizons or for the sake of exploring the world that made them move out of Nigeria in the first place…

In my opinion, most Nigerians if they really had the means would indeed relocate, even if temporary, for school, for work etc because they would simply have better opportunities for doing so.

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHERE NIGERIA IS GOING.

ONE PRESIDENT OF ONE POLITICAL PARTY CANNOT LEAD NIGERIA ANYWHERE.

BUT ONE PRESIDENT, 36 CONSTITUTED GOVERNORS AND 774 FIRST GRADE TRADITIONAL RULERS CAN SHOW THE WAY.

THE 42 STATES STRUCTURE ENVISAGED BY NASS SEEMS TRIBALISTIC, DIVISIVE AND WILL NOT FOSTER UNITY OF HEALTHY COMPETITION AND PURPOSEFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT THE FEDERATION REQUIRES.

OUR ALREADY EXISTING 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATE STRUCTURE IS CHARACTERISTICALLY MILITARIZED AND CRAFTED TO MILITATE ADEQUATELY AGAINST SUCH PROBLEMS OF FULANI TERRORISM IN THE NORTH NORTH AND THE IJAWS VANDALISM IN THE SOUTH SOUTH.

WITHOUT WASTING MORE TIME AND OUR RESOURCES, I SERIOUSLY PRAY TO ATA4JEL-AKPABIO TINUBU ARIWOOLA FOR JUDICIARY EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE TO PUT HEADS TOGETHER AND RETURN FULL AUTONOMOUS POLICING RESOURCING AND ELECTIONEERING STATUSES TO OUR 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES IMMEDIATELY AND ALSO ADOPT A CERTIFIED TITHES CONTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO RUN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT FURTHER MADNESS.

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS WHERE NIGERIA IS GOING.

ONE PRESIDENT OF ONE POLITICAL PARTY CANNOT LEAD NIGERIA ANYWHERE.

BUT ONE PRESIDENT, 36 CONSTITUTED GOVERNORS AND 774 FIRST GRADE TRADITIONAL RULERS CAN SHOW THE WAY.

THE 42 STATES STRUCTURE ENVISAGED BY NASS SEEMS TRIBALISTIC, DIVISIVE AND WILL NOT FOSTER UNITY OF HEALTHY COMPETITION AND PURPOSEFUL DEVELOPMENT THAT THE FEDERATION REQUIRES.

OUR ALREADY EXISTING 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATE STRUCTURE IS CHARACTERISTICALLY MILITARIZED AND CRAFTED TO MILITATE ADEQUATELY AGAINST SUCH PROBLEMS OF FULANI TERRORISM IN THE NORTH NORTH AND THE IJAWS VANDALISM IN THE SOUTH SOUTH.

WITHOUT WASTING MORE TIME AND OUR RESOURCES, I SERIOUSLY PRAY TO ATA4JEL-AKPABIO TINUBU ARIWOOLA FOR JUDICIARY EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE TO PUT HEADS TOGETHER AND RETURN FULL AUTONOMOUS POLICING RESOURCING AND ELECTIONEERING STATUSES TO OUR 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES IMMEDIATELY AND ALSO ADOPT A CERTIFIED TITHES CONTRIBUTION SYSTEM TO RUN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITHOUT FURTHER MADNESS.


Orisa37
GOD BLESS NIGERIA.

Sunnyconvo:
Hi,

Thanks for your reply. I will address some points you raised below.

As for my Albert Einstein analogy with fear of the cane, I was simply making the point that it is not fear that drives someone to work devotedly on something.

There are many issues with beating a child I.e corporal punishment that have been proven by several studies. I can describe them here but I do not feel the need to, you can easily search and find this yourself. However, if you cannot find them yourself, you can ask me and I will link them here.

Also, I agree that great accomplishments do not typically happen in the levels where corporal punishment is practiced i.e up to Secondary School. However, it should be obvious that how someone is treated at a young age can have significant effects on how they will perform later in life. Corporal punishment can have very negative effects to the individual even still later in life whether the person is aware of it or not.

Another point you mentioned is that many Nigerian schools have computers for practical use. My question to you is do *most* Nigerian schools have updated computers for practical use? Do they allow the students to practice with it in his free time? You support your point by saying that whatever is used to cause transformation in the world today is not learnt in the classroom. Your point to me is like saying that because they don’t teach one new innovations in engineering in the classroom, that the algebra and various things one learns in the classroom is not useful for these innovations to come about. That is not true.

Now on your claims about the usefulness of children having computers to practice, specifically. Having computers available at schools for children to practice, provides them with the opportunity to build a strong foundation in digital literacy and the use of the computer in general which can in turn spark great interest and passion for computers in a child that will of course influence the child’s later activities. There are also many computer softwares that children can practice with which provide the opportunity to not only nurture critical thinking but nurture it using applications that are currently used professionally in real life. Imagine the head start this child would hav by the time he enters University. There is so much benefit. I can give real life examples of this that I have noticed with students from other countries but I don’t think it’s necessary.

Lastly you said millions of Nigeria can afford the cost to migration but they choose to stay because Nigeria is their preference. First I will point out that I said means is preventing “most” Nigerians and Nigeria is a country of over 200 million people. So while there might be millions of Nigerians that choose to stay in Nigeria, there are millions that have relocated from Nigeria and many millions that would do the same if they really had the means…

Also let me point out that, someone being rich in Nigeria does not mean they can afford to live an equivalent level of lifestyle in the US or UK, or that they can even afford to live there at all for an extended period of time. The cost of living is significantly higher and getting a good paying job there as a foreigner from a country where the degrees are not really recognized is also very very difficult even if the person has superb positive experience in their own country. So unless the person has some very good plans to live there, they would be surprised to find they do not actually have the means to do so.

There are of course Nigerians who choose to stay in Nigeria. I’m not doubting that. I know of some that went to U.S for University and even earned a living there then moved back to Nigeria later. However, it is not to broaden their horizons or for the sake of exploring the world that made them move out of Nigeria in the first place…

In my opinion, most Nigerians if they really had the means would indeed relocate, even if temporary, for school, for work etc because they would simply have better opportunities for doing so.

When you are trying to analyze a problem, analyze that problem with points that when addressed, most of the problems will be solved, your points even when addressed doesn't solve most of the problems that's the message I'm passing to you, a proper research and critical thinking will go a long way.
Irrespective of the fact that I'm not in support of teachers caning students and my reason is because it stresses the teacher, there is a sharp difference in behavior of a student who experienced caning and the one who didn't, the one who experienced learnt that there are consequences to actions that he takes and the one who didn't is highly unaware of consequences, this doesn't hold in all cases but that's a general over view, you can handpick students from the two classes and see the difference.
In a nutshell, caning is not what is wrong with the system so it should be a side point not a main point.

I don't have the statistics to prove or disapprove that "most Nigerian schools" has computers or not, but that's not the argument, you made your presentation like you won't find a school in the whole of Nigeria that uses computers for practicals, that's what I'm against.
Whatever you will learn for transformation in the real world is never learnt in a computer class, engineering is a different field on it's so that analogy does not hold. Students in Nigeria in many many many many schools use computers for lessons hands on, some schools have computer lab, I am sure of that because I have seen several schools with properly functioning computer labs.
Another thing you should understand is that u don't just walk up into a computer lab in primary and secondary schools simply because you are free, computer classes are moderated, even in universities, I will use Russia as an example here, in the university, you don't just wake up, pick ur protective gadgets and walk into the lab because u have free time, you have to meet with the instructor in charge of that rig and explain what you want to do in the lab to him, he will ask you series of questions and if u don't answer them satisfactorily u won't be allowed to operate in the lab.
In Nigeria here, students don't even follow lab instructions, ordinary "put on a lab coat" if teachers and instructors don't employ corporal and hard punishments, students down to the university level can't adhere to such simple instructions, those of u complaining about corporal punishments, are you in tune with the society at all?
Do u interact with students and schools at various levels or u just watch the west and start critîcizing?
There are over 200m Nigerians in Nigeria, you can't find 1/4 of that number of Nigerians outside Nigeria.
In the 200m, over 120m can afford migration yet they decide to live in Nigeria, only few of my family members did migrate, some to UK, some to US some to Canada, if the rest of us wants to migrate, we will do so but we all prefer living here, even the ones born in the UK spend more time in Nigeria than the UK, there millions of Nigerians who went out to school and the moment they finish they rush back home, the ratio of Nigerians that are hungry for migration to those who are not is less that 1:4, that is to say, out of 200m Nigerians, not even 50m are hungry for migration so ur analyses of "most" is wrong.

JagabanB:
When you are trying to analyze a problem, analyze that problem with points that when addressed, most of the problems will be solved, your points even when addressed doesn't solve most of the problems that's the message I'm passing to you, a proper research and critical thinking will go a long way.
Irrespective of the fact that I'm not in support of teachers caning students and my reason is because it stresses the teacher, there is a sharp difference in behavior of a student who experienced caning and the one who didn't, the one who experienced learnt that there are consequences to actions that he takes and the one who didn't is highly unaware of consequences, this doesn't hold in all cases but that's a general over view, you can handpick students from the two classes and see the difference.
In a nutshell, caning is not what is wrong with the system so it should be a side point not a main point.

I don't have the statistics to prove or disapprove that "most Nigerian schools" has computers or not, but that's not the argument, you made your presentation like you won't find a school in the whole of Nigeria that uses computers for practicals, that's what I'm against.
Whatever you will learn for transformation in the real world is never learnt in a computer class, engineering is a different field on it's so that analogy does not hold. Students in Nigeria in many many many many schools use computers for lessons hands on, some schools have computer lab, I am sure of that because I have seen several schools with properly functioning computer labs.
Another thing you should understand is that u don't just walk up into a computer lab in primary and secondary schools simply because you are free, computer classes are moderated, even in universities, I will use Russia as an example here, in the university, you don't just wake up, pick ur protective gadgets and walk into the lab because u have free time, you have to meet with the instructor in charge of that rig and explain what you want to do in the lab to him, he will ask you series of questions and if u don't answer them satisfactorily u won't be allowed to operate in the lab.
In Nigeria here, students don't even follow lab instructions, ordinary "put on a lab coat" if teachers and instructors don't employ corporal and hard punishments, students down to the university level can't adhere to such simple instructions, those of u complaining about corporal punishments, are you in tune with the society at all?
Do u interact with students and schools at various levels or u just watch the west and start critîcizing?
There are over 200m Nigerians in Nigeria, you can't find 1/4 of that number of Nigerians outside Nigeria.
In the 200m, over 120m can afford migration yet they decide to live in Nigeria, only few of my family members did migrate, some to UK, some to US some to Canada, if the rest of us wants to migrate, we will do so but we all prefer living here, even the ones born in the UK spend more time in Nigeria than the UK, there millions of Nigerians who went out to school and the moment they finish they rush back home, the ratio of Nigerians that are hungry for migration to those who are not is less that 1:4, that is to say, out of 200m Nigerians, not even 50m are hungry for migration so ur analyses of "most" is wrong.

Hi, thanks for replying. I’ve addressed someone of what you mentioned in my previous posts so I won’t address everything you wrote here.

To your first point, I’m not sure what you mean that someone must analyze problems in a way the problems are solved. The point of my post was not to give solutions or policies that will solve Nigeria’s problems but to call out the fact that things are wrong, with some particular examples in order to lead to conversation on those matters and further our understanding. Not every post has to be an analysis of the problem in question with the particular solutions to it like you seem to suggest.

To your next point. That children can sometimes seem well behaved in order for them to avoid being flogged does not mean they are more mature or that they know the difference between what is right and wrong in the specific matter. It means that they know doing one thing will lead to the horrible treatment of their teachers and the other will not. What do you think might happen if the teacher is no longer there to flog the child? The child would probably immediately regress.
Let’s say the teacher flogs the child and imparts so much fear in the child that even when the teacher cannot longer flog the child for doing a certain thing, the child will still not do it because the fear has derived him of his autonomy to do so. Well… you mentioned critical thinking in your post, my question to you is how does this encourage critical thinking? How does making a child so afraid of what will happen if he does anything but a particular thing encourage in the child the ability to think critically and deeply about the matter? That is to think about why the matter is even so in the first place.

You’re right that computers in primary and secondary schools, even Universities are moderated. I’m very aware of this and my point in my previous post is not intended to be against this. However, to my knowledge the system in many western schools is very advanced that the students do not need a supervisor by their side when using the computer if that is what you are suggesting. They sometimes do not even need to notify a supervisor. Rather the computers are programmed to moderate what the user can do with it and who can log in therefore use the computer. The schools typically have an online platform requiring a student ID and password that are used to log in to these computers. If any issues arise there may be a supervisor/helper in the room that they can meet or nearby. Chemistry labs and similar are not the same as this and I did not mention that in my post. They do not have a way to moderate them as easily and require greater care to not lead to danger.

Yes I have interacted with students in schools both in Nigeria and in the west. Not only that, I have gone to school in both places (Nigeria and U.S). And to say that students who were not raised with corporal punishment do not know that there are consequences to their actions is very inaccurate and seems to me like you would have to be very out of tune with such people to make such a statement. You should understand that corporal punishment is not the only way to discipline or correct a child.

Your last claim I believe of saying that 120 million Nigerians can afford to go abroad (the U.S and other 1st world countries and afford it in the way I described in my previous post) but simply choose not to because they prefer their home is very incorrect. The barrier of relocating via immigration alone is something that 120 million Nigerians will not pass. Then the cost of living in the U.S and other first world developed countries is higher and even extremely higher than here in Nigeria. Nigerians who even make it to the U.S don’t go there and are living large immediately but still suffer a lot trying to make a living, many times even more than they did in Nigeria but they go through it knowing the result will be better at the end.

Thanks.

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