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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Nwaokunkpara: 6:59am On Apr 21
Botragelad:

Ooh. Russia is not going to 'enslave' you? šŸ˜‚
In international relations, every country prioritizes its own interests first. This is true for the US, Russia, and all nations.

Similarly, if you consider Russia as an ally, they too would prioritize their national interests. It's a common practice in geopolitics for countries to engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives.



And unfortunately if you think of it,it actually looks like Nigeria is a country without a sovereign national interest...what we have here are just personal political interests of wicked politicians
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Gerrard59(m): 7:00am On Apr 21
wirinet:

Yes countries engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives, but does it have to be a parasitic relationship? Sucking the life blood out of these poor African countries while giving little or nothing in return. That has been the nature of the relationship between African countries and Europe/US from the very beginning.

Why didn't the US employ the same doctrine of "strategic objectives" when dealing with European countries and Israel? The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe after the devastating war started by European themselves. They created military alliance and spent trillions defending Europe from themselves. They do the same with Israel, spending billions of dollars protecting Israel and helping their economy. But when it comes to Africans countries they remember the doctrine of strategic objectives.

Also, they spent money supporting Japan and South Korea. But they don't offer the same treatment to the Philippines. The way out is for us to be good negotiators. If the Russians cannot fulfil their side of the bargain, they get shown the exit door. How would the French say they are fighting against Islamists in the Sahel, YET they have not succeeded? At least, if these guys can defeat those Islamists once and for all, their farmers would cultivate in peace compared to Nigeria.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Careente7(m): 7:01am On Apr 21
Like some one said up there,ā€you donā€™t unleash yourself and give the hold to another masterā€. Africans give me reasons to blve everyday that itā€™s a ā€˜colored skinā€™ mans world.
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Botragelad: 7:01am On Apr 21
wirinet:

Yes countries engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives, but does it have to be a parasitic relationship? Sucking the life blood out of these poor African countries while giving little or nothing in return. That has been the nature of the relationship between African countries and Europe/US from the very beginning.

Why didn't the US employ the same doctrine of "strategic objectives" when dealing with European countries and Israel? The US spent billions in rebuilding Europe after the devastating war started by European themselves. They created military alliance and spent trillions defending Europe from themselves. They do the same with Israel, spending billions of dollars protecting Israel and helping their economy. But when it comes to Africans countries they remember the doctrine of strategic objectives.
Are you ignorant or just against the US? International relations are changing. There's work being done, not perfect mind you, to create fairer partnerships.

Ever come across the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA)? It's this initiative to open up the US market to eligible countries in Sub-Saharan Africa. These efforts are meant to boost economic growth and development that's beneficial for both sides. Are you aware of the amount of aid the US and other organisations send to Africa? You lot are still benefiting from free vaccines and such.
Look at Africa now, take Sudan as an example, they're reaping from the West, billions being sent.

As for the US's actions after World War II, the Marshall Plan for Europe and the backing of Israel were smart investments. They were motivated by a mix of humanitarian aid, economic self-interest, and strategic geopolitical factors during the Cold War. The US's dealings with Europe and Israel were shaped by the political climate of the era, including the aim to block the spread of communism and to form strong alliances in crucial areas.

How can you compare it to Africa nations which on the other hand, have been shaped by a completely different set of historical, political factors etc. It's a totally different situation.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by melodyogonna(m): 7:07am On Apr 21
America should open a base in Nigeria
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Nolevel666: 7:08am On Apr 21
Xiaohei:
Replacing one master with another. Africans never learn; weā€™re a pawn in the hands of everyone else. In my honest opinion, no super - power truly cares about black Africa; theyā€™re all only interested in grabbing as much natural resources from Africa as they can.
The black monkeys will never learn

All they know how to build with their fish brains are hotels and bars while their mates a designing the latest weapon of massive destruction.

Spits

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by wirinet(m): 7:16am On Apr 21
Nolevel666:

The black monkeys will never learn

All they know how to build with their fish brains are hotels and bars while their mates a designing the latest weapon of massive destruction.

Spits

You forgot to add Chruches, Mosques and Shrines.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by nairalanda1(m): 7:16am On Apr 21
Davehasmadeit:
The US is not a country to have as allies. They will indirectly enslave you without u realizing it.

Neither is Russia.

Truth is, there is no such thing as allies. Countries have interests, and interests come first. The problem is, NIger is a weak resource dependent country, and it needs allies.

A lot of us think that China and Russia are our friends. Until they start awarding aid for contracts that would be carried out by Chinese and Russian companies in your country.

Same thing for the good old USA.

At the end, there is no such thing as friends in international relations. There are interests, and the mighty nations all have us at their mercy.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by succri(m): 7:17am On Apr 21
They have the chance to dictate their terms to the russian , and the russian must accept to spite the americans , if niger's play a good one they are the winner , but leadership and greed might not allow them ,
Funny they have 110m$ drone factory ,
Chinese would invest that money in infastructure ( road , rails )
Russian will just be gifting them over used 3rd gen jet and gun , maybe grains too grin cheesy
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by yusuf0876(m): 7:20am On Apr 21
Honoredeblazac:
This is a terrible news for northern Nigeria. The region will become very unsafe. This is the time Tinubu should request their presence in Nigeria. Give them a place in Yobe or Borno to replace what they had in Niger. Itā€™s a very good opportunity for Nigeria
ohh,...you think they are there for protection?

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by nairalanda1(m): 7:21am On Apr 21
Gerrard59:


Also, they spent money supporting Japan and South Korea. But they don't offer the same treatment to the Philippines. The way out is for us to be good negotiators. If the Russians cannot fulfil their side of the bargain, they get shown the exit door. How would the French say they are fighting against Islamists in the Sahel, YET they have not succeeded? At least, if these guys can defeat those Islamists once and for all, their farmers would cultivate in peace compared to Nigeria.

Fighting guriella warfare is not a easy to win thing.

Russia, the USA, and even France and the UK can tell you that.

Islamic millitants have borrowed a lot from many of their predecessors in the game. IN particular, they have learned the lesson of war well. If you don't lose, you win. Wear down the enemy until he or she leaves. Swim among the population well, so that when the enemy uses his big guns, a lot of innocents will die, and you get useful propaganda, and so on.

Note that Islamic millitants, like many of their predecessors, don't rely much on frontal war. When they fight frontal war, they get thrashed heavily. SO, hit and run attacks, an IED Here....

That's why France cannot beat them...and why Rossiya would struggle to beat them too.

Unless you are prepared to kill hundreds of thousands of innocents, like the ancient warlords did....

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Idaytesj29(m): 7:40am On Apr 21
Botragelad:

Ooh. Russia is not going to 'enslave' you? šŸ˜‚
In international relations, every country prioritizes its own interests first. This is true for the US, Russia, and all nations.

Similarly, if you consider Russia as an ally, they too would prioritize their national interests. It's a common practice in geopolitics for countries to engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives.

So, reading your concluding paragraph makes me want to ask you what are you laughing about? Cos Niger is exactly doing what she feels best serve her interest.

Mind you, in strategic alliance, Russia is more reliable for Niger. USA can only be trusted when it has to do with EU NATO, Israel and herself. But for one facking desert country, US does not care much. She is just using Niger as a base to fight against terrorist Iswap and Boko Haram, no other economic benefits. But the pact with Russia will guarantee both security and economic development and benefit. So, if you are Niger, wouldn't you rather go with Russia?

Last, change that terrible mindset that anything America is definitely good. No, it's not always so, US is one country that has perpetrated the most evil on earth amongst the committee of nations in the world.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Crafteck1: 7:43am On Apr 21
jkpbestseries:
that is their business

Its actually ours.... Russia is coming with a trojan horse and im not talking about the cd..
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Crafteck1: 7:44am On Apr 21
Davehasmadeit:
The US is not a country to have as allies. They will indirectly enslave you without u realizing it.


You know nothinh about them do you, at least they give you a choice....
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Crafteck1: 7:45am On Apr 21
Botragelad:

Ooh. Russia is not going to 'enslave' you? šŸ˜‚
In international relations, every country prioritizes its own interests first. This is true for the US, Russia, and all nations.

Similarly, if you consider Russia as an ally, they too would prioritize their national interests. It's a common practice in geopolitics for countries to engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives.

I pity ignorant people that didn't realize what you are saying, mostly religious bigots

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by DECLAN2015(m): 8:00am On Apr 21
Davehasmadeit:
The US is not a country to have as allies. They will indirectly enslave you without u realizing it.

Change from one master to another master.....same results
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by franudi: 8:01am On Apr 21
Let US army come to Nigeria, south east. They are highly welcome there.
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Xiaohei(m): 8:04am On Apr 21
Nolevel666:

The black monkeys will never learn

All they know how to build with their fish brains are hotels and bars while their mates a designing the latest weapon of massive destruction.

Spits

Itā€™s painful watching the backwardness of the black race. We celebrate the constructions of mediocre projects. We heap praises on corrupt leaders/ politicians. We struggle to provide even the most basic amenities as though they were rocket science. Common light we havenā€™t been able to provide for everyone in Nigeria. Isnā€™t something fundamentally wrong with the DNA of some black people? Iā€™m inclined to believe this is the case.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Benwems(m): 8:05am On Apr 21
Botragelad:

Ooh. Russia is not going to 'enslave' you? šŸ˜‚
In international relations, every country prioritizes its own interests first. This is true for the US, Russia, and all nations.

Similarly, if you consider Russia as an ally, they too would prioritize their national interests. It's a common practice in geopolitics for countries to engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives.

This can't be said any better. Sometimes I wonder how Nigerians think.
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Botragelad: 8:07am On Apr 21
Idaytesj29:


So, reading your concluding paragraph makes me want to ask you what are you laughing about? Cos Niger is exactly doing what she feels best serve her interest.

Mind you, in strategic alliance, Russia is more reliable for Niger. USA can only be trusted when it has to do with EU NATO, Israel and herself. But for one facking desert country, US does not care much. She is just using Niger as a base to fight against terrorist Iswap and Boko Haram, no other economic benefits. But the pact with Russia will guarantee both security and economic development and benefit. So, if you are Niger, wouldn't you rather go with Russia?

Last, change that terrible mindset that anything America is definitely good. No, it's not always so, US is one country that has perpetrated the most evil on earth amongst the committee of nations in the world.
Lol. Okay!

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Harnny(m): 8:11am On Apr 21
US was able to fight Libya launching from Niger but haven't been able to help combat insecurity in Niger.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by correctguy101(m): 8:21am On Apr 21
wwwtortoise:
Handing over your leash to another master ainā€™t freedom.
The real flex is being in total control of your affairs without external interference. Sadly, no African government have had a taste of what sovereignty entails.

So true...

Its just as if they hold some secret against African leaders to make these so-called leaders become so obedient and subservient.

If not...
How can we at our level in this pyramid be seeing these things and they couldn't? undecided
And even if it's brought to their attention, they'll always ignore such talk and doggedly continue on the chosen path of the ones they look up to?

E no add up...

The little I know about Qaddafi shows he was different, only he was forced into a confrontation he would never survive...

If it was the world before now, its understandable, but the leash is so loose in today's world (as I see it)

African leaders too lazy abeg. None wants to put in the required work, only want to maintain the status quo, after all them and those with them would live lavishly either way. No thoughts of glory at all..

AwĆ³n oni yĆ©yĆ©
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by ThunderFireAgba: 8:26am On Apr 21
happney65:


And it is Russia that is best?

You are funny

Mark this down,In about a year or two,The Nigeriens will soon be calling for the head of Russia. They will prefer the Americans come back
May the universe spare our lives

Even at that, Africans never think about the repercussions of decisions they take.
Just look at these countries; they're francophone countries and have most of their education, economy, and citizens in France and Europe.
Tomorrow if they start cutting out aids, striking out visa agreements, devaluing their currency, they will start crying wolf.
If you want someone our of your place, there are ways to go about it diplomatically.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by ThunderFireAgba: 8:30am On Apr 21
0m0luabi:
Niger should not sleep with their 2 eyes closed because Us will definitely fight back by sponsoring more terrorism on Nigerien soil they should get ready to deal with more ISIS and alqaeda
That's the problem with black man. They reason through the as*.
You gave someone your land, over the years he has been investing and helping you with security which you as a sovereign country cannot grant yourself.
If not US is a diplomatic and liberal power, some countries would have been wiped off the face of this planet.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by wirinet(m): 8:31am On Apr 21
Botragelad:

Are you ignorant or just against the US? International relations are changing. There's work being done, not perfect mind you, to create fairer partnerships.
Why get so emotional and personal? Does your loyalty lie more with the US than Nigeria?


Ever come across the African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA)? It's this initiative to open up the US market to eligible countries in Sub-Saharan Africa. These efforts are meant to boost economic growth and development that's beneficial for both sides. Are you aware of the amount of aid the US and other organisations send to Africa? You lot are still benefiting from free vaccines and such.
AGOA is just like curing cerebral malaria with paracetamol. How can we export to the US or anywhere when we are an import dependent nation? How can we export when we are not able to first meet local demand? We are still falling for the same economic trap the colonialists set up for us. We produce natural resources and goods for them cheaply, and then import food and essentials from them expensively. Awo, Zik and Balewa fell for this same trap. They were exporting groundnut, cocoa and coal to Europe while importing rice, chocolate and groundnut oil from them.
Where is the industrial capacity, power, infrastructure and capital to start exporting to the US under AGOA? This same AGOA will impose stringent packaging and quality conditions that are very very difficult to meet.
Now tell me exactly how many people do you know that is benefiting from AGOA? Are you one of them?

Look at Africa now, take Sudan as an example, they're reaping from the West, billions being sent.
Sudan ke? Which of the Sudans, south or the main Sudan? Sudan is your classical example of countries benefiting from the west? I hope you are being satirical.

As for the US's actions after World War II, the Marshall Plan for Europe and the backing of Israel were smart investments. They were motivated by a mix of humanitarian aid, economic self-interest, and strategic geopolitical factors during the Cold War. The US's dealings with Europe and Israel were shaped by the political climate of the era, including the aim to block the spread of communism and to form strong alliances in crucial areas.
So you mean African nations would be dumb investments if the US commit resources there like they did Europe and Israel? You also mean we were of no use or importance during the Cold War? If Africa was so useless, why are they now crying that Africa is considering looking east for their salvation?

This is the reason I like Trump to an extent, he doesn't bullshit that he likes Africa and want to help, while in reality hate Africa and Africans. He said his mind when he openly said he would prefer immigrants from Scandinavia than shithole countries (Africa).

How can you compare it to Africa nations which on the other hand, have been shaped by a completely different set of historical, political factors etc. It's a totally different situation.

Which continent benefited the US more in the past, Africa,Middle East or Europe? The wealth and prosperity enjoyed by the US, and Europe today was built on the resources and manpower of Africa.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by ThunderFireAgba: 8:31am On Apr 21
rebirthkennedy:
Thunder fire Tinubu the drug lord
The illegal nincompoop occupying also rock
He is the cause of all those things with his useless ECOWAS
Bros, I dey my own you come dey call me.
Ok, how you want make thunder fire Tinubu and his Agbado supporters?
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Krismas(m): 8:39am On Apr 21
Botragelad:

Ooh. Russia is not going to 'enslave' you? šŸ˜‚
In international relations, every country prioritizes its own interests first. This is true for the US, Russia, and all nations.

Similarly, if you consider Russia as an ally, they too would prioritize their national interests. It's a common practice in geopolitics for countries to engage in alliances that serve their strategic objectives.
grin U cannot prejudge wot Russia will do without giving example. Mutual interest of both parties is better than the American style of enslavement of countries that welcome her. Russia built Nigeriaā€™s Kanji Dam and Ajaokuta steel mill. Wot has America done for us? For over 10yrs in the Sahel, America and France did nothing about Boko haram, infact it seem they were even aiding the group, yet they had military pact with the Sahel countries? So, let them get lost. Give another country a try like Russia.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Bintasukai: 8:48am On Apr 21
End of Boko Haram
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by Maski87: 8:49am On Apr 21
[quote author=ogbonti post=129549309]This is the reason Trump must win in November - under Biden - the US has lost so much respect globally especially with that chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan angry[/quote
Majority of Americans hate Trump and don't care whether the world respect them or not,because they have everything they need in their country]
Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by SuccessfulRichi: 8:56am On Apr 21
It Will never make your economy to get better bro. Control your resources black race. Venezuela did the same with Americans. Replaced them with china and Russia today they are begging USA to come back. Go and read their history.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by descartes400: 9:01am On Apr 21
ogbonti:
This is the reason Trump must win in November - under Biden - the US has lost so much respect globally especially with that chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan angry

I very much want Trump to win! But at the same time, I don't!

With Biden, US hegemony will be very much downgraded leading to a more multipolar world. For me, China must rise, Russia must rise, together with Majority of Africa nations. Countries that made up the BRICS must excercise influence to counterbalance US and its European allies.

Regardless of who wins, US hegemony must be downgraded.

The hypocrisy and double standards of US is disgusting to say the least.

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Re: US To Withdraw From Niger As Security Pact Fails In Strategic Victory For Russia by sslcrypt: 9:02am On Apr 21
0m0luabi:
like Mali and Burkina Faso are calling for Russia head after 2 year undecided

You are a fool, Russia is only flexing because NATO have no boots on the ground fully in ukraine. Let the war in Ukraine turns into a full blown one, then you will realize how exposed these useless military junta really are with no diplomatic sense. You will never see the ARABS outrightly favoring Russia over USA or vice versa. It's only the black man that will always be stupid in their reasoning and thought process. After years of stemming the tide of terrorist group movement via intelligence sharing then you back stab me. Niger will burn because one thing you should know is that no nation is as experienced as USA in counter terrorism. What does Russia know? Russia is only good at installing an authoritarian and safe guarding the authoritarian. You think the Chinese don't have the same capacity? Why do you think they are smart in staying away.

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