kingxsamz:


Your problem is thinking that rape only occurs when somebody shouts or is badly injured. And I gave an instance to buttress my point which you ignored, along with the other points I made.
It's no surprise that Yahweh supporters reason and think unintelligently like him.
You should even be questioning why people are being asked to lynch and kiII two people for what could be sex/rape. Cus I'm sure if your government made such law you'd call it barbaric.

Answer the questions I asked, and stop babbling!

gammarays:

[b]In the ancient days, a woman raped is deprived of her value.
She's left to herself and becomes an object of scorn and mockery. No man would love to marry her when there are plenty virgins available.

God in his wisdom mandated the rapist to take up the responsibility of the raped and scorned woman by marrying her, paying her family and keeping her till death(no divorce)

If you have the mind to rape a lady and take her virginity forcefully, you should also proceed with marrying her and taking care of her.
You can't make a mistake and pass the responsibility to another.

Back to our African tradition. If you impregnate a maiden or take her virginity, you'll be forced to marry her and take care of her responsibility as you've already taken away her value.

Your post exposed your ignorance and self deceit. A hypocrite like you see no wrong in the increasing number of single moms who were put in a family way and abandoned by irresponsible men yet you're talking about women rights.
Tufiakwa[/b]!!

Yahweh and his followers reason alike. So duII. That's why he sent his son to die like a fowl instead of just eliminating the problem from its roots. Even after the son's death, the problem still persists.

So instead of outrightly condemning rape and speaking against the discrimination that comes with being a victim of rape, and instead of comforting these victims and making them feel human, he decided to give them out like a used property to reward the same person who put them in that predicament? Wow, so smart. 👏🏾

FxMasterz:


Answer the questions I asked, and stop babbling!

What question? You mean the question about the scenario you created and concluded that's how rape happens every time?
I just told you that rape doesn't always involve the victim shouting or getting hurt and you're telling me to answer a useIess question.
You answer mine. Are those the only scenarios rape can occur?

Nonsense. The Bible does not condone rape in any form whatsoever.

Deuteronomy 22 verses 23–29 deal with crimes involving an unmarried woman:

1) a man and a betrothed woman commit (consensual) fornication; result: both are executed (verses 23–24)

2) a man is found guilty of rape; result: he is executed (verses 25–27)

3) a man and a non-betrothed woman commit (consensual) fornication; result: damages are due to the girl and her family (verses 28–29)

The compilers of the NIV Bible you're using are not real Christians. Many of them are agnostics and atheists.

The Hebrew word that the NIV scholars translated as rape in Deuteronomy 22:28 to 29 appears in many other passages in the Bible, but in those other passages it is not translated as rape. That fact alone should make you suspicious of the motive behind the NIV.

Deuteronomy is very clear. If a man rapes a woman, the penalty is always death. See Deuteronomy 22: 25 to 27

Daejumong:
Did God allow Rapists to marry their victims as long as the women are unmarried and the guys pay a fine?

Deuteronomy 22:28–29 — The New International Version (NIV)
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

This is another harsh and unfair law which I find difficult to believe was given by God to Moses! No matter the dispensation, women deserve better.

So as a young girl I can be raped by any beast and will also be forced to live with him in marriage forever so long he pays a fine!

This can’t be God but rather some Chauvinistic and misogynistic guys that decided to subjugate, dehumanise and denigrate women by using God as cover up!

The God , Jesus , presented to me with his messages and life style will not treat women like shit in this way! Jesus loved, respected and valued women! He alone is my role model and standard.

kingxsamz:


What question? You mean the question about the scenario you created and concluded that's how rape happens every time?
I just told you that rape doesn't always involve the victim shouting or getting hurt and you're telling me to answer a useIess question.
You answer mine. Are those the only scenarios rape can occur?

Answer the questions and tell us other ways rapists get their victims not to shout!

kingxsamz:


🤫
Also, take not of the highlighted.

In addition :

Exodus 21:2-6
Deuteronomy 15:12-18
Titus 2:9-10
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Colossians 3:22
Ephesians 6:5
1 peter 2 : 18 - 20

Not to talk of the killings, genocide, infanticide, misogyny, discrimination, prejudice and cultic rituals.

FxMasterz:


Answer the questions and tell us other ways rapists get their victims not to shout!

I'd have ignored but at least make you and your god receive small sense.


Rapists can drug their victims.

Rapists can use their power and influence to subdue their victims.

Rapists can threaten their victims with a weapon such as a knife, in which the victim is forced to comply.

Rapists can take advantage of victims in their care. Like where a man tries to force himself on his housemaid and threatens to throw her out if she refuses or alerts anyone.

In a case where there are more than one person involved, the victim could be easily subdued.

We hear cases of consistent rape in households in the cities all the time which are mostly only uncovered when the victim seeks help or the aggressor is caught with evidence.

Just because one lives in a city does not mean they can be heard. What if it's a big house or an area where the houses are a bit distant from eachother?

One would expect an average person to know all this but because you people want to defend senseIessness, you spew all manner of rubbish.
Truly, your god is duII. If most societies didn't adapt such law, it goes to show how Incredibly unintelligent your god is. You'll probably come up with some lame response to this, but I won't be surprised. Naso Yahweh followers dey do.

Lucifyre:


In addition :

Exodus 21:2-6
Deuteronomy 15:12-18
Titus 2:9-10
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Colossians 3:22
Ephesians 6:5
1 peter 2 : 18 - 20

Not to talk of the killings, genocide, infanticide, misogyny, discrimination, prejudice and cultic rituals.

Don't mind that one that only opens his bible on Sundays when his pastor instructs him. That's if he even attends church regularly.

ShoeGetSize:

Nonsense.

Deuteronomy is very clear. If a man rapes a woman, the penalty is always death. See

"Rapes a woman who is betrothed". Don't forget. Before you begin to twist it to suit your narrative.
If she's a virgin, he only needs to pay her father and he'll have her all for himself forever without any chance of divorce.
Now tell me how that doesn't condone rape.

kingxsamz:


Yahweh and his duII, unintelligent supporters. 🤦🏾‍♂️
This one thinks rape only occurs when a woman shouts.

Na lie!

I was clear that there must be a sign of resistance which is what cry out means so Fool you no get anything wey you wan talk. Shioor

Na to go target my crush remain

kingxsamz:


🤫
Also, take note of the highlighted.

of course you shall choose a version that suits your evil desire.

Kjv refers to them as bondsmen.

And bondsmen are not slaves and as such bondsmen are allowed but slaves are not!

kingxsamz:


"Rapes a woman who is betrothed". Don't forget. Before you begin to twist it to suit your narrative.
If she's a virgin, he only needs to pay her father and he'll have her all for himself forever without any chance of divorce.
Now tell me how that doesn't condone rape.

No it doesn't condone rape for the virgin, it was clear she was not forced rather he hold am, whine am and she gree, no rape there.

Devil evil bastard!

Sledgehammer300:
Na to go target my crush remain

No rape is allowed oo, no let them deceive you oo. See wetin Devils dey cause. Toasting is allowed.

ShoeGetSize:

Nonsense. The Bible does not condone rape in any form whatsoever.

Deuteronomy 22 verses 23–29 deal with crimes involving an unmarried woman:

1) a man and a betrothed woman commit (consensual) fornication; result: both are executed (verses 23–24)

2) a man is found guilty of rape; result: he is executed (verses 25–27)

3) a man and a non-betrothed woman commit (consensual) fornication; result: damages are due to the girl and her family (verses 28–29)

The compilers of the NIV Bible you're using are not real Christians. Many of them are agnostics and atheists.

The Hebrew word that the NIV scholars translated as rape in Deuteronomy 22:28 to 29 appears in many other passages in the Bible, but in those other passages it is not translated as rape. That fact alone should make you suspicious of the motive behind the NIV.

Deuteronomy is very clear. If a man rapes a woman, the penalty is always death. See Deuteronomy 22: 25 to 27

Of course he chooses the bible version that suits him.

He is a known atheist on nairaland so now you know.

FayaBall:


No it doesn't condone rape for the virgin, it was clear she was not forced rather he hold am, whine am and she gree, no rape there.

Devil evil bastard!

This one don create ihn own version. 😂
All these Yahweh's children sef.

kingxsamz:


I'd have ignored but at least make you and your god receive small sense.


Rapists can drug their victims.

Rapists can use their power and influence to subdue their victims.

Rapists can threaten their victims with a weapon such as a knife, in which the victim is forced to comply.

Rapists can take advantage of victims in their care. Like where a man tries to force himself on his housemaid and threatens to throw her out if she refuses or alerts anyone.

In a case where there are more than one person involved, the victim could be easily subdued.

We hear cases of consistent rape in households in the cities all the time which are mostly only uncovered when the victim seeks help or the aggressor is caught with evidence.

Just because one lives in a city does not mean they can be heard. What if it's a big house or an area where the houses are a bit distant from eachother?

One would expect an average person to know all this but because you people want to defend senseIessness, you spew all manner of rubbish.
Truly, your god is duII. If most societies didn't adapt such law, it goes to show how Incredibly unintelligent your god is. You'll probably come up with some lame response to this, but I won't be surprised. Naso Yahweh followers dey do.

You just a compound evil fool!

We know the cases of rape and before a person is convicted of not resisting, questions must have been asked to ascertain that she consented, meaning she was not raped before judgement is passed and executed.

You are just a big smelly fart of a Devil bastard

kingxsamz:


Don't mind that one that only opens his bible on Sundays when his pastor instructs him. That's if he even attends church regularly.

Do they read?! Most of them don't even know what's in their bibles talkless of the various contexts surrounding it, but would defend it with voices as loud as their ignorance. Its typical, thats why they cant even agree on its interpretation ergo u see em arguing amongst themselves about whose denominational interpretation is "correct"

FayaBall:


of course you shall choose a version that suits your evil desire.

Kjv refers to them as bondsmen.

And bondsmen are not slaves and as such bondsmen are allowed but slaves are not!

Oh, and you went for the version that suits you right? Bondsmen you should treat like property, pass to your children as permanent property while making sure to never do the same to your fellow tribesperson. Lmao. I wonder why.

Lucifyre:


Do they read?! Most of them don't even know what's in their bibles talkless of the various contexts surrounding it, but would defend it with voices as loud as their ignorance. Its typical, thats why they cant even agree on its interpretation ergo u see em arguing amongst themselves about whose denominational interpretation is "correct"

That's why whenever anyone comes to preach to me, I don't even tell them I'm an atheist or anything. I'll just quote one verse for them and watch their confusion unfold.

Lucifyre:


In addition :

Exodus 21:2-6
Deuteronomy 15:12-18
Titus 2:9-10
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Colossians 3:22
Ephesians 6:5
1 peter 2 : 18 - 20

Not to talk of the killings, genocide, infanticide, misogyny, discrimination, prejudice and cultic rituals.

Like if you had the power to wipe out your enemies, you would not do so with one swoop!

Abegi, rubbish!

kingxsamz:


That's why whenever anyone comes to preach to me, I don't even tell them I'm an atheist or anything. I'll just quote one verse for them and watch their confusion unfold.

Na fool go see you go preach to you, na.

Lucifyre:


Do they read?! Most of them don't even know what's in their bibles talkless of the various contexts surrounding it, but would defend it with voices as loud as their ignorance. Its typical, thats why they cant even agree on its interpretation ergo u see em arguing amongst themselves about whose denominational interpretation is "correct"

How that one take concern you, no be their argument abi na your own. Rubbish!

FayaBall:


You just a compound evil fool!

We know the cases of rape and before a person is convicted of not resisting, questions must have been asked to ascertain that she consented, meaning she was not raped before judgement is passed and executed.

You are just a big smelly fart of a Devil bastard

Of course, like how Muslim extremists who have been given the order to stone blasphemers would sit down an accused to question them. Very set of humble folks, I'm sure they're that reasonable.
Your Yahweh is an unintelligent doIt.

FayaBall:


Na fool go see you go preach to you, na.

Lol, I'm done with you. You have nothing reasonable to contribute to this argument.
Good night.

kingxsamz:


Oh, and you went for the version that suits you right? Bondsmen you should treat like property, pass to your children as permanent property while making sure to never do the same to your fellow tribesperson. Lmao. I wonder why.

Does your employer not treat you like his possession, and if his treatment of you is good and sweet, do you complain? No, you say ride on oga.

So no issue there. You are just a Devil come to do your evil work.

kingxsamz:


Lol, I'm done with you. You have nothing reasonable to contribute to this argument.
Good night.

Of course, now e no sweet you again as in you don lose the argument, now it's not reasonable. Typical atheist response

kingxsamz:


Of course, like how Muslim extremists who have been given the order to stone blasphemers would sit down an accused to question them. Very set of humble folks, I'm sure they're that reasonable.
Your Yahweh is an unintelligent doIt.

Of course you can not answer now you resort to adhominem God. Typical atheist response.

kingxsamz:


This one don create ihn own . 😂
All these Yahweh's children sef.

Guy, we know rape so all these ones na radarada. Devil shit!

Righthussle:


Did you take note of the bolded? Meaning, no shaking if they are not discovered. The bible or any holy text has nothing to do with whoever is behind the existence of the world. Read Numbers 31.

I wanted to point that out. But u beat me to it

If u r not gbabbed, then ride on. Some people will get away with many rape actions without been seen. And no forced marriage. The threat here is he can never divorce her as long as he lives

Imagine a guy raping and always getting caught with 6 babes. So he will marry 6 of them


Whoever inspired the writing of that text above can't be God inspired. Coz i no just get

Daejumong:
Did God allow Rapists to marry their victims as long as the women are unmarried and the guys pay a fine?

Deuteronomy 22:28–29 — The New International Version (NIV)
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,
29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

This is another harsh and unfair law which I find difficult to believe was given by God to Moses! No matter the dispensation, women deserve better.

So as a young girl I can be raped by any beast and will also be forced to live with him in marriage forever so long he pays a fine!

This can’t be God but rather some Chauvinistic and misogynistic guys that decided to subjugate, dehumanise and denigrate women by using God as cover up!

The God , Jesus , presented to me with his messages and life style will not treat women like shit in this way! Jesus loved, respected and valued women! He alone is my role model and standard.

This is not rape. The NIV is wrong.

Deuteronomy 22:28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
@ bolded
Note the word "they be found out" meaning both the man and the girl hiding it.

kingxsamz:


I'd have ignored but at least make you and your god receive small sense.


Rapists can drug their victims.

Rapists can use their power and influence to subdue their victims.

Rapists can threaten their victims with a weapon such as a knife, in which the victim is forced to comply.

Rapists can take advantage of victims in their care. Like where a man tries to force himself on his housemaid and threatens to throw her out if she refuses or alerts anyone.

In a case where there are more than one person involved, the victim could be easily subdued.

We hear cases of consistent rape in households in the cities all the time which are mostly only uncovered when the victim seeks help or the aggressor is caught with evidence.

Just because one lives in a city does not mean they can be heard. What if it's a big house or an area where the houses are a bit distant from eachother?

One would expect an average person to know all this but because you people want to defend senseIessness, you spew all manner of rubbish.
Truly, your god is duII. If most societies didn't adapt such law, it goes to show how Incredibly unintelligent your god is. You'll probably come up with some lame response to this, but I won't be surprised. Naso Yahweh followers dey do.

You're still very unintelligent.

Even when rapists drug their victims as some do today, it is still a clear indication that the lady is innocent.

The sentence 'If she shouts' or 'If she does not shout ' is more of interest related than literal shouting. The literal interpretation is to determine whether the lady willingly engaged in the action or was forced.