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UDOKABESTLUV:
Wetin Be 2,600naira, for dragging person to law Court, nothing UDOKA no go see for HERE

Go try am for obodo oyinbo, demo go say na cos of una so dem go leave you, even elevate you to the post of a manager ✌️

ONNYX:
A crime is a crime no matter how you look at it. I operate a small bakery on the side.

You make an average of 5 - 10k per bag of flour and if you are lucky you get to produce 5 bags daily consistently. Bigger bakeries make even less margins per bag but make up with turnover.

You have perhaps 5 - 10 staff depending on the structure of your operation.

The Assumptions continue;

You produce 500 loaves of bread a day (quite unlikely for a small bakery). Each loaf sells for 1,300.00 ex-factory.

1,300 x 500 = 650k (Projected revenue)

You have a 2.5 margin for defects, errors, returned products and quality control/R&.

16,250 already set aside for projected in factory losses.

650 -16,250 = 633,750

16,250 x 30 working days = 487, 500.00


487,500 x 12 months.........5,850,000.

This is just a rough estimate of what you can loose in one year from just being sentimental.

I've been building and advising bakeries large bakeries and food businesses for several years and I can tell for free...the easiest place to get a job in Nigeria is a bakery. Running on the same corollary one of the easiest business that fail are bakeries.

Even with digital cameras mounted everywhere you will lose bread unless you have a system which is carefully developed to suit your prevailing circumstances.

Bread can be eaten in toilets where there are no cameras.

Bread will be eaten underneath the work table and cameras won't catch them.

Bread is melted in the mouth without munching during packaging.

Bread is left in pans and rolled of of the oven.....in collaboration.

The step taken here should not be trivialised. The man is saving his business. He will take the boys there.....keep them in custody for at least 3 weeks and then withdraw the case.

His productivity will rise after he has asked for written and signed commitment from all staff that anyone who will be caught subsequently will be shown absolutely no mercy.

That should give him some respite.

Finally, those of you who have no business whatsoever and by business I.mean an operation that runs in your absence pls be careful and perhaps reticent about what judging people by their reactions because you never know the predicating actions.

Small causes...Great effects.

Very educative. Thanks.

Emman08:
Wow there is hunger in the land indeed. The employer is hungry too

It is not hunger that made them steal, they steal because they're thieves. They're employed for God's sake, so why putting the blame on poverty and hunger?

I heard of a man who had the biggest poutry in his town and he pre-arranged with the police the following punishment for his staff who stole eggs or chicken from his poultry :-

Steal 6 eggs and be locked in police cell for 6 days.

Steal a crate of egg = 1 month in jail.

Steal 1 chicken and get locked up for 6 months.

Heard that his staff dared not steal from him.

[quote author= post=129816803]Poverty is not a disease......
It is something worse!

We Rise ✔️


Btw,
What a waste of court space and time.
Tueh.....[/quote]. Rise to where ?

When would you start Speaking the Truth about the Politician you Love .

The employer is really stupid, taking your employee's to court because of 2 loaf's of bread.

Hello.
I want to ask.
Doing pastries/snacks like meat-pie, sausage roll, fishpie, doughnuts, egg-roll, buns, etc versus baking bread, which is more lucrative as a business?

ONNYX:
A crime is a crime no matter how you look at it. I operate a small bakery on the side.

You make an average of 5 - 10k per bag of flour and if you are lucky you get to produce 5 bags daily consistently. Bigger bakeries make even less margins per bag but make up with turnover.

You have perhaps 5 - 10 staff depending on the structure of your operation.

The Assumptions continue;

You produce 500 loaves of bread a day (quite unlikely for a small bakery). Each loaf sells for 1,300.00 ex-factory.

1,300 x 500 = 650k (Projected revenue)

You have a 2.5 margin for defects, errors, returned products and quality control/R&.

16,250 already set aside for projected in factory losses.

650 -16,250 = 633,750

16,250 x 30 working days = 487, 500.00


487,500 x 12 months.........5,850,000.

This is just a rough estimate of what you can loose in one year from just being sentimental.

I've been building and advising bakeries large bakeries and food businesses for several years and I can tell for free...the easiest place to get a job in Nigeria is a bakery. Running on the same corollary one of the easiest business that fail are bakeries.

Even with digital cameras mounted everywhere you will lose bread unless you have a system which is carefully developed to suit your prevailing circumstances.

Bread can be eaten in toilets where there are no cameras.

Bread will be eaten underneath the work table and cameras won't catch them.

Bread is melted in the mouth without munching during packaging.

Bread is left in pans and rolled of of the oven.....in collaboration.

The step taken here should not be trivialised. The man is saving his business. He will take the boys there.....keep them in custody for at least 3 weeks and then withdraw the case.

His productivity will rise after he has asked for written and signed commitment from all staff that anyone who will be caught subsequently will be shown absolutely no mercy.

That should give him some respite.

Finally, those of you who have no business whatsoever and by business I.mean an operation that runs in your absence pls be careful and perhaps reticent about what judging people by their reactions because you never know the predicating actions.

Small causes...Great effects.

thrillionaire:
You can not justify their actions. Also you can not try to tell the boss how best to punish his thieving workers. It's his prerogative. And when you see him, ask him why he's chosen to take them to court, you might understand better and not call him wicked.

If you've tried to build a business before in Nigeria and encountered stealing by your trusted staff then you'd understand.

why will two full grown men steal a loaf of bread if not hunger or coveteousness ... 2600 can't enrich anybody naw
Rooting for the cause of an action is never a Justification, it how reasonable people know how best to address a situation.

Maybe i can't decide how foodco would punish is staff but i will ask ... if his staff were properly paid or cared for, they won't stoop so low to stealing bread ... as a worker in the bakery[b] if they were entitle to one bread as food per day will they steal.[/b]...
We have so many laws and Prisons but it as never stopped crime, sometimes all you just have to do his give people a reason not to . if my staff are entitle to one bread per day ... what reason we dey have to steal bread. e go quick taya dem one day

These is not a matter of if you have business or if you encounter crap, foodco had option to sack, suspend or deduct in there salary .. thats deterrence enough
Automatically these guys are sacked and salary will be withheld ... yet they will have to be looking for thousands of naira to bail themselves, when they come out they could be filled with rage or the prison could have hardened them badly. implications

theredaddy:
why will two full grown men steal a loaf of bread if not hunger or coveteousness ... 2600 can't enrich anybody naw
Rooting for the cause of an action is never a Justification, it how reasonable people know how best to address a situation.

Maybe i can't decide how foodco would punish is staff but i will ask ... if his staff were properly paid or cared for, they won't stoop so low to stealing bread ... as a worker in the bakery[b] if they were entitle to one bread as food per day will they steal.[/b]...
We have so many laws and Prisons but it as never stopped crime, sometimes all you just have to do his give people a reason not to . if my staff are entitle to one bread per day ... what reason we dey have to steal bread. e go quick taya dem one day

These is not a matter of if you have business or if you encounter crap, foodco had option to sack, suspend or deduct in there salary .. thats deterrence enough
Automatically these guys are sacked and salary will be withheld ... yet they will have to be looking for thousands of naira to bail themselves, when they come out they could be filled with rage or the prison could have hardened them badly. implications

This is why I said you should ask the boss when you see him what influenced his decision to take his workers to court. And until we know all the facts you can't say he's wicked.

Poverty or covetousness is nobody's business, it's your responsibility to straighten out yourself. Do the crime, do the time.

We don't know if the business owner had done everything right by those workers not to steal.. allowances, daily free bread etc

He's not the wicked one here for his actions. It's his prerogative on how he chooses to get even within the armbit of the law.

ONNYX:
A crime is a crime no matter how you look at it. I operate a small bakery on the side.

You make an average of 5 - 10k per bag of flour and if you are lucky you get to produce 5 bags daily consistently. Bigger bakeries make even less margins per bag but make up with turnover.

You have perhaps 5 - 10 staff depending on the structure of your operation.

The Assumptions continue;

You produce 500 loaves of bread a day (quite unlikely for a small bakery). Each loaf sells for 1,300.00 ex-factory.

1,300 x 500 = 650k (Projected revenue)

You have a 2.5 margin for defects, errors, returned products and quality control/R&.

16,250 already set aside for projected in factory losses.

650 -16,250 = 633,750

16,250 x 30 working days = 487, 500.00


487,500 x 12 months.........5,850,000.

This is just a rough estimate of what you can loose in one year from just being sentimental.

I've been building and advising bakeries large bakeries and food businesses for several years and I can tell for free...the easiest place to get a job in Nigeria is a bakery. Running on the same corollary one of the easiest business that fail are bakeries.

Even with digital cameras mounted everywhere you will lose bread unless you have a system which is carefully developed to suit your prevailing circumstances.

Bread can be eaten in toilets where there are no cameras.

Bread will be eaten underneath the work table and cameras won't catch them.

Bread is melted in the mouth without munching during packaging.

Bread is left in pans and rolled of of the oven.....in collaboration.

The step taken here should not be trivialised. The man is saving his business. He will take the boys there.....keep them in custody for at least 3 weeks and then withdraw the case.

His productivity will rise after he has asked for written and signed commitment from all staff that anyone who will be caught subsequently will be shown absolutely no mercy.

That should give him some respite.

Finally, those of you who have no business whatsoever and by business I.mean an operation that runs in your absence pls be careful and perhaps reticent about what judging people by their reactions because you never know the predicating actions.

Small causes...Great effects.

I am a Bread fan, infact i drive down to bakeries to buy fresh hot bread these as got me acquinted with bakery owners & workers.
Oga i followed your analysis and i can tell you are not being fully sincerely ... in Nigeria bakery there is no waste, what you called oven defect is what we call "Open pan" infact when i was small we go to bakery to demand for oven defect, and reservations as to be made sef, we pay
So all that defect cost and estimate are not really tenable.

You said, workers hide inside toilet, under table, and do all sort to eat bread they labor to produce ... how about if those workers are entitled to one bread per day won't that solve all that worries.
You pay people peanuts but you are ready to spends millions to monitor them ... is that not penny wise pounds foolish.

I am not supporting stealing or whatsoever, my view is as a boss don't give your workers a reason to steal esp. food
As a boss that money budgeted for police and court cases use it to implement welfare package n watch your staffs give there best

That Majistrates is stupid

thrillionaire:
This is why I said you should ask the boss when you see him what influenced his decision to take his workers to court. And until we know all the facts you can't say he's wicked.

Poverty or covetousness is nobody's business, it's your responsibility to straighten out yourself. Do the crime, do the time.

We don't know if the business owner had done everything right by those workers not to steal.. allowances, daily free bread etc

He's not the wicked one here for his actions. It's his prerogative on how he chooses to get even within the armbit of the law.

i know that foodco branch, i've being there several times to buy the bread ... i don't need to meet the Boss to know what greatly influence his reaction ... Wealth, power and connection are very intoxicating

Don't get me wrong, I am not encouraging or supporting "stealing" My stand is cutting off the head is not a medication for headache

Poverty & covetousness are nobody's business, But as a boss, the welfare of your staff is your business becos your business needs their best/efficiency

Let us not fool ourselves, a worker well paid, and also entitled to daily free bread has no reason to steal bread, What is the rationale he fit go steal milo & milk or mayonnaise but not bread

That boss is wicked cos he over reacted not becos he reacted, highest sack them is that not deterrence enough .. whu go like lose their job on top 1300 bread

Poor man wey steal maggi we go see their face for crime fighter ..

Komo4dmoney:
It is not hunger that made them steal, they steal because they're thieves. They're employed for God's sake, so why putting the blame on poverty and hunger?

Employment does not negate under-paid, and zero welfare packages

So many workers in Nigeria are broke even before the end of the month cos of the cost of living ... with the fuel scarcity and hike in transport fare over 60% of workers will be broke before the middle of this month... reality bro
stealing 1300 bread every week is 9100, in a month 36400, that is not enough to enrich anybody in life so it as to be Hunger

And I used to shop at that Foodco

theredaddy:
I am a Bread fan, infact i drive down to bakeries to buy fresh hot bread these as got me acquinted with bakery owners & workers.
Oga i followed your analysis and i can tell you are not being fully sincerely ... in Nigeria bakery there is no waste, what you called oven defect is what we call "Open pan" infact when i was small we go to bakery to demand for oven defect, and reservations as to be made sef, we pay
So all that defect cost and estimate are not really tenable.

You said, workers hide inside toilet, under table, and do all sort to eat bread they labor to produce ... how about if those workers are entitled to one bread per day won't that solve all that worries.
You pay people peanuts but you are ready to spends millions to monitor them ... is that not penny wise pounds foolish.

I am not supporting stealing or whatsoever, my view is as a boss don't give your workers a reason to steal esp. food
As a boss that money budgeted for police and court cases use it to implement welfare package n watch your staffs give there best

I read through your piece and felt I should ignore but for the benefit of others I will attempt a response in all objectivity. But do understand that our experiences are quite difference and our skills/knowledge of this business equally different. Perhaps I should be a little immodest here just provide some context;

I am not a bread fan. I am a trained Food Technologist with particular emphasis on Ingredients engineering, Product development, Microbial Activity and capped it up with the Industrial Production Costing and Profitability.

Firstly, you can choose to label it with whatever name it. Losses are part of the business. Sometimes faulty ingredients fail bread. Yeast for instance fails from time to time. The bread comes out terrible and some bakeries remix the bread with new dough and some sell it off to piggery owners. It's a loss no matter how you look at it. That bag of flour has not yielded the desired profitability. Recall also that you can remix the dough but some productive inputs .......diesel, electricity, labour and time have been lost never to be recovered.

Why should workers be given one bread a day? Why not two loaves a day? Perhaps three loaves per hour would be more magnanimous?

Your understanding of economics are quite questionable? Do you even know how salary costing templates are developed? But then it's not really your fault we are all ridden with a deep sense of entitlement. I have worked in bakeries in different climes and only in Africa do people make demands on the employer for bread. Pls when you go to work for chemical plants producing Sniper I hope you also ask for a daily dose of the product.

Even bread delivery vans are targets on our roads. Beggars, uniformed men besiege you left and right just to have "a loaf" as if the company is a charity.

The abject poverty in our land now cannot take away our sensibilities. Borders must still exist. Stealing remains stealing. The personality of the thief and the object of theft are immaterial here. If you doubt this fact then try stealing Akara from a local Nigerian market and have the misfortune of being caught.

Good luck to you and your thinking.

theredaddy:
Employment does not negate under-paid, and zero welfare packages

So many workers in Nigeria are broke even before the end of the month cos of the cost of living ... with the fuel scarcity and hike in transport fare over 60% of workers will be broke before the middle of this month... reality bro
stealing 1300 bread every week is 9100, in a month 36400, that is not enough to enrich anybody in life so it as to be Hunger

I am happy you yourself recognise that it is stealing nonetheless. Somebody is being deprived. I don't care if it is 1300 per week or 1300 per day. Stealing will not be condoned. In my bakery if I catch you stealing on the 30th of the month you forfeit your entire month earnings. This is not debatable and is enshrined the agreement we have.

I am even going further now to insist that I save 2% of your monthly income and only pay you that amount at the end of your employment there and only if you are not sacked on account of theft.

I am looking for even more monstrous ways to check theft if not I must always work in the bakery and that is counterproductive.

All bakeries must learn to be one step ahead.

theredaddy:
i know that foodco branch, i've being there several times to buy the bread ... i don't need to meet the Boss to know what greatly influence his reaction ... Wealth, power and connection are very intoxicating

Don't get me wrong, I am not encouraging or supporting "stealing" My stand is cutting off the head is not a medication for headache

Poverty & covetousness are nobody's business, But as a boss, the welfare of your staff is your business becos your business needs their best/efficiency

Let us not fool ourselves, a worker well paid, and also entitled to daily free bread has no reason to steal bread, What is the rationale he fit go steal milo & milk or mayonnaise but not bread

That boss is wicked cos he over reacted not becos he reacted, highest sack them is that not deterrence enough .. whu go like lose their job on top 1300 bread

Poor man wey steal maggi we go see their face for crime fighter ..

So as a bakery you make 500 loaves of bread daily, you employ a 10 staff and pay them 50k Monthly, you accommodate them and yet you still give them 1,300 worth of bread daily?

1,300x10x30 =??

Your business will thrive.

I hope you know that you have to add butter to the bread you dole out and that your sugar and milk must complement the daily bread. If you have sardines in stock you must add to it so that they don't steal.

Then you start to feed them...at first once daily and the twice and then thrice and eventually add mineral to the mix or beer on Fridays.

And then you have to help them with toiletries, and then boxers/singlets.

Then extend their living quarters to accommodate their grandparents who must move in to give them emotional support to enable them stay focused from stealing bread.

This is just act 1, scene 1.

ONNYX:
So as a bakery you make 500 loaves of bread daily, you employ a 10 staff and pay them 50k Monthly, you accommodate them and yet you still give them 1,300 worth of bread daily?

1,300x10x30 =??

Your business will thrive.

I hope you know that you have to add butter to the bread you dole out and that your sugar and milk must complement the daily bread. If you have sardines in stock you must add to it so that they don't steal.

Then you start to feed them...at first once daily and the twice and then thrice and eventually add mineral to the mix or beer on Fridays.

And then you have to help them with toiletries, and then boxers/singlets.

Then extend their living quarters to accommodate their grandparents who must move in to give them emotional support to enable them stay focused from stealing bread.

This is just act 1, scene 1.

Bro its time you adopt reality, i have being to different big bakery, i don't see up to 10 staffs and i doubt if the pay is up to 50k sef

Creating a welfare package for your staffs is an administrative cost that can not be undermine .. when we finish secondary school my friends worked in Ok foods .. then you can eat biscuit as much as you like but can't take it out, if you work in nigeria brewery you can drink there product on site but can't take it out, i know a worker in chicken republic, they are entitled to one meal per day thats enough incentive to forestall stealing food & litigation expenses
feeding staffs one day out of what you produce in mass can not kill your business ... except you don't have patronage at all.

Every other thing you say, you are just being petty and unrealistic.

theredaddy:
Bro its time you adopt reality, i have being to different big bakery, i don't see up to 10 staffs and i doubt if the pay is up to 50k sef

Creating a welfare package for your staffs is an administrative cost that can not be undermine .. when we finish secondary school my friends worked in Ok foods .. then you can eat biscuit as much as you like but can't take it out, if you work in nigeria brewery you can drink there product on site but can't take it out, i know a worker in chicken republic, they are entitled to one meal per day thats enough incentive to forestall stealing food & litigation expenses
feeding staffs one day out of what you produce in mass can not kill your business ... except you don't have patronage at all.

Every other thing you say, you are just being petty and unrealistic.

Perhaps you are the one that needs to become realistic.

I have a major snacks production outfit. Even in these perilous times we do a minimum of 50 bags of flour daily.

In some snacks businesses including biscuits you can have 100 staff eating to their fill every hour without incurring losses because it's a matter of time and they get tired.

I challenge you to mention any mass market targeted bakery that can be that liberal.

On the question of feeding I think that is a matter of in-house consideration. You could choose to pay low wages and provide a soup kitchen level feeding or pay a decent wage providing staff with leverage and variety as regards their feeding.

All is a matter of choice.

id4sho:
The judge head no correct sef .


E bin pawa oOoOO

The Judge is a wicked human being. Why set the bail so high and also adjourn the case for so long? So that they can be remanded in prison to suffer?

The cost of daily feeding for an inmate in the Nigerian Correctional Center (aka Prisons) is N 700 daily. Feeding for 100 days is 70K. For the two of them that is N 140K. Now what is the sense in costing Government N 140K to feed people you accuse of stealing N 2,600.00 Bread?

Anyway, the offenders may have been recalcitrant and infuriated the Magistrate.

theredaddy:
i know that foodco branch, i've being there several times to buy the bread ... i don't need to meet the Boss to know what greatly influence his reaction ... Wealth, power and connection are very intoxicating

Don't get me wrong, I am not encouraging or supporting "stealing" My stand is cutting off the head is not a medication for headache

Poverty & covetousness are nobody's business, But as a boss, the welfare of your staff is your business becos your business needs their best/efficiency

Let us not fool ourselves, a worker well paid, and also entitled to daily free bread has no reason to steal bread, What is the rationale he fit go steal milo & milk or mayonnaise but not bread

That boss is wicked cos he over reacted not becos he reacted, highest sack them is that not deterrence enough .. whu go like lose their job on top 1300 bread

Poor man wey steal maggi we go see their face for crime fighter ..

Well.. I see your point. It's well.

ONNYX:
I am happy you yourself recognise that it is stealing nonetheless. Somebody is being deprived. I don't care if it is 1300 per week or 1300 per day. Stealing will not be condoned. In my bakery if I catch you stealing on the 30th of the month you forfeit your entire month earnings. This is not debatable and is enshrined the agreement we have.

I am even going further now to insist that I save 2% of your monthly income and only pay you that amount at the end of your employment there and only if you are not sacked on account of theft.

I am looking for even more monstrous ways to check theft if not I must always work in the bakery and that is counterproductive.

All bakeries must learn to be one step ahead.

Oga i can't tell you how you should run your business, but there is something called standard practice

if you like boil your staffs to eat if dem use your sugar drink garri .. you are only doing yourself cos your workers won't give there best dem go just use you pass time till better job come up.

up top bread one step ahead, if you come get lounge nko .. you go install okirja shrine

ONNYX:
Perhaps you are the one that needs to become realistic.

I have a major snacks production outfit. Even in these perilous times we do a minimum of 50 bags of flour daily.

In some snacks businesses including biscuits you can have 100 staff eating to their fill every hour without incurring losses because it's a matter of time and they get tired.

I challenge you to mention any mass market targeted bakery that can be that liberal.

On the question of feeding I think that is a matter of in-house consideration. You could choose to pay low wages and provide a soup kitchen level feeding or pay a decent wage providing staff with leverage and variety as regards their feeding.

All is a matter of choice.

Scale of production does not decide the existence or non existence of "welfare" .. naa the Personality of the boss go decide
Leventis is one of the renowned bakery way back, they make value U bread, there staff were entitled to bread, even Golden hefty there workers can take one bread per day

Its pays more to feed ur staff out of what you mass produce than to arrange for food kitchen sef. flour na very good business, cos e dey swell up and no dey quick spoil ... just get your target n market right turnover go boom