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Lucifyre:
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You said the inspired writers never contradict themselves. I said tor. How many days did the rains falll for, you come dey talk plenty to perform tangential mental gymnastics.

Ok . pls explain this differing lengths of the rainfall in Gen 7: 17 and Gen 7 : 24. It didnt even go to a different chapter to contadict itself. lol!

The flooding continued for 40 days on the earth, and the waters kept increasing and began carrying the ark, and it was floating high above the earth. 17

And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days. 24

For forty days it rained but it took 150 days for the water subside! Genesis 8:3

Simple logic!
Ordinarily when a place is flooded with a heavy rain for a whole day it often takes more than a week for the flood to subside so that the place could be accessible like before nah!

Can you imagine the planet covered with water for 24x40 hours none stop then someone said it took up to four times the period it rained for the water to dry up and you are confused!

Lucifyre:
"If for instance you yourself never wrote a book, and you depart this world without anything written about you. Someday, your existent would be regarded as a myth."
I responded with the bones comment to the above, so uve ended up contradicting urself. Written history offers some advantages in terms of preservation and longevity, it is not immune to the influence of myth, interpretation, and cultural bias. See king authur, Beowulf, the fact its written down doesn't stop it from being myth, they blended historical elements with myth, so wth?!

Good so Noah wasnt Sumerian, so what culture was he from? And please show me sources that show his culture was the oldest existing civilization for his own story to come before the sumerians. And please i wonder the oldest writings in the bibl:e can be dated to when as against the sumerian texts?? As for why i disbelieve the story its common sense really, its proven fact and i repeat proven objective fact that a global flood never occured leading to loss of all life. Not the way the sumerians before you said it happened, not the way you said it happened in your bible after adapting their story. If u say it did, please prove it. If you say your story came first before theirs countering all the researches by scholars, please prove it. Objective facts and evidence, not mythology and myth. And trust me i know more about the historical context of the writing of your bible than you do but thats not even relevant.

You seriously did not ask me about what kind of evidence. Are u having a laugh or being purposefully obtuse. How did we find out about any of the examples in my previous comment. Im tired of typing but let me just highlight a few ways to educate you, you could read up on em fully l8r to educate urself better.  Geological Evidence - Sedimentary layers or deposits indicative of a global flood would be found worldwide, suggesting widespread inundation and sedimentation. Paleontological Evidence - Fossil records would show evidence of mass extinction events and rapid burial of organisms across different environments and geographic regions, it would be too numerous to be undiscoverable by now, abi nor be the whole world die😁??Genetic Evidence : Genetic studies of extant species would reveal patterns of population bottlenecks, genetic diversity, and phylogenetic relationships consistent with recent population reductions and subsequent expansions. Just to name a few , you have access to the internet right?!

Yes the myths prove something happened, did it hapoen the way they said it did? obviously no, from their implausible and even contradictory accounts like the noah story. The Aztecs believed the gods blocked out the sun cause they were angry with em and scarificed people to bring bk the sun. Did the gods block the sun cause they were angry?! No..  Did the sun get blocked... Yes. It was just an eclipse. Did they understand that?! No... So they explained it how best they could. Floods happen all the time, one's going on in Brazil right now. Ancient people on average were less travelled and much of the world undiscovered then, so if ur city's flooded its like the whole world's flooded and worst part u dont understand why, so u explain it as best u can. Basically the god's are mad.

If you say Drogon, Rhegal and Bealon the dread  existed, prove it😁. Afterall dinosaurs did'nt hide nau. Its funny you allude to the same science thats disproven your story but thats the beauty of science, its isnt close minded, it works on observable evidence to prove and disprove and when new observable evidence comes up, its open minded enough to accept it, not bendover backwards doing mental gymnastics on dem say, dem say. If i wouldn't just believe everything i read in this 21st century, why should i believe something written, compiled, redacted, edited, copied over 1500 year period with a lot of pseudepigraphy from unknown authors, Kafkaesque translations, different genres filled with contradictions and what we even have today's so removed from the original texts as they're copies of copies of copies of copies. Even when you photocopy something too much, it becomes illegible. Occam's razor man.

My dear, it don't actually want to argue regarding these things. But let me just say a few things:

1. In the days of Noah, cultures have not yet developed. The earth was just a few years old.

2. There can be widespread fossil deposits all over the world because at the time, there were just few humans. The world was not yet well populated.

3. Archeologists cannot claim they've not found the so called sedimentary layers of deposits they're looking for except:

a. They've escalated the earth deep enough, almost perforating the globe.

b. They have had several sample floods of over 4,000yrs old that made such sedimentary layers deposits to be able to generalize that such deposits must be found also for Noah's flood.

And please, get my point. When a story is passed down through the ages, it would become a myth somewhere along the line when the story has been so distorted that it now looks unbelievable. This applies to both written and oral narrations. If what's written or heard is considered to be something believable, humans won't call it a myth.

There are myths regarding the flood in a vast many culture around the world. The Bible records exactly what happened with great attention to detail, while the myths from different cultures sound like fables. There's clarity regarding the event in the Bible. We know how many days the rains fell. How long it took the floods to dry away, and the medium through which it was dried up. We also know where the ark was grounded. These are not mere myths.

The fact that several other cultures recorded the event proves it happened. Science can not provide 100% proof or disproof for an event that took place 4,000 yrs ago in the absence of everyone of us. They can only make deductions and pray their dedications are correct.

FxMasterz:
My dear, it don't actually want to argue regarding these things. But let me just say a few things:

1. In the days of Noah, cultures have not yet developed. The earth was just a few years old.

2. There can be widespread fossil deposits all over the world because at the time, there were just few humans. The world was not yet well populated.

3. Archeologists cannot claim they've not found the so called sedimentary layers of deposits they're looking for except:

a. They've escalated the earth deep enough, almost perforating the globe.

b. They have had several sample floods of over 4,000yrs old that made such sedimentary layers deposits to be able to generalize that such deposits must be found also for Noah's flood.

And please, get my point. When a story is passed down through the ages, it would become a myth somewhere along the line when the story has been so distorted that it now looks unbelievable. This applies to both written and oral narrations. If what's written or heard is considered to be something believable, humans won't call it a myth.

There are myths regarding the flood in a vast many culture around the world. The Bible records exactly what happened with great attention to detail, while the myths from different cultures sound like fables. There's clarity regarding the event in the Bible. We know how many days the rains fell. How long it took the floods to dry away, and the medium through which it was dried up. We also know where the ark was grounded. These are not mere myths.

The fact that several other cultures recorded the event proves it happened. Science can not provide 100% proof or disproof for an event that took place 4,000 yrs ago in the absence of everyone of us. They can only make deductions and pray their dedications are correct.

😁 Da fuq! Man u really just confirmed ur level with this ur bullet points huh! U really need to educate urself man cause... Anyways no plenty talk, it's still simple really, can u provide proof of any of ur claims so far with sources?? No & Never! End of story. If science can't provide 100% proof, please by all means provide ur 100% proof to make and establish ur claim as fact. 😁

MaxInDHouse:
The flooding continued for 40 days on the earth, and the waters kept increasing and began carrying the ark, and it was floating high above the earth. 17

And the waters continued overwhelming the earth for 150 days. 24

For forty days it rained but it took 150 days for the water subside! Genesis 8:3

Simple logic!
Ordinarily when a place is flooded with a heavy rain for a whole day it often takes more than a week for the flood to subside so that the place could be accessible like before nah!

Can you imagine the planet covered with water for 24x40 hours none stop then someone said it took up to four times the period it rained for the water to dry up and you are confused!

Yes logic. But lets say u are right😁 right?! The interpretation is somehow according to logic that it took 150 days to dry up, 4 times the time it took to rain. 🧐🤔 But then again Gen 7: 11 and Gen 8 14 : 16 basically says it took 1 year and 10 days for the earth to dry up. So pls enlighten me with more mental gymnastics, sorry logic.

Lucifyre:
The story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is basically one of the most iconic yet apocryphal tales in judeo - christianity. We all heard the story growing up, but without even considering the implausibilty and feasibility, we may have overlooked the mythological elements similarly found in ancient near eastern cultures. The paralllels with the mythology of these older cultures and religions basically explains the origins of the apocryphal tale and how the it was passed down overtime to newer cultures and religions and adapted for purpose.

**The Epic of Gilgamesh:**
One of the most notable parallels to the story of Noah is found in the Epic of Gilgamesh, an ancient Mesopotamian poem from around 2100 BCE. In this epic, the character Utnapishtim recounts a tale very similar to Noah's. Like Noah, Utnapishtim is warned by a god (in this case, Ea) about an impending flood. He builds a massive ark to save himself, his family, and representatives of the animal kingdom. After the flood subsides, Utnapishtim sends out birds to search for dry land, much like the dove sent by Noah. The gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh decide to flood the earth due to human overpopulation and noise, while in the biblical narrative, God sends the flood to cleanse the Earth of wickedness.

**The Atrahasis Epic:**
Another Mesopotamian text, the Atrahasis Epic, dating back to around 1700 BCE, also features a flood story. In this tale, the gods create humans to serve them, but the noise of humanity becomes too much to bear. The god Enlil decides to send a flood to destroy humanity, but the god Enki warns the protagonist, Atrahasis, to build an ark to survive the food. This flood is caused by the gods' frustration with the noise and overpopulation of humanity, echoing themes found in both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the story of Noah.

**The Ziusudra Myth:**
In Sumerian mythology, the Ziusudra myth tells of a great flood sent by the gods to destroy humanity. Ziusudra, the Sumerian equivalent of Noah, is instructed by the god Enki to build a boat to escape the flood. After the floodwaters recede, Ziusudra offers sacrifices to the gods and is granted immortality. This story predates both the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Atrahasis Epic, iindicating the enduring presence of flood myths in ancient Near Eastern cultures.

Basially, the story of Noah and the "Great Flood" is just one iteration of a widespread mythological motif that transcends neighouring cultural and religious boundaries, nothing more than myth.The implausibility and contradictions in the story itself further enhance this claim. Like the varying accounts of the length of the period of rain in the flood. How all the species alive(considering biodiversity and geographical and climate challenges) fit into a boat of that size when they're in millions and wouldn't even fit in the largest mordern day cruise ship.

For example was it just 2 bears or 2 Brown bears, 2 black bears, 2 polar bears, 2 sloth bears... lets not even talk about more biodiverse species, some of which have gone extinct. Its not just feasible or plausible. Flood myths have been a part of ancient near eastern cultures and the hebrew tale is nothing more than an iteration and adaptation of the tale from older cultures. A myth and nothing more.

Logical but......

Moses was able among other things to trace human race to the first man. After the flood, he detailed how man filled the earth and the human species by generations and placements on earth. The other references have not been able, except you provide evidence.

Lucifyre:
Yes logic. But lets say u are right😁 right?! The interpretation is somehow according to logic that it took 150 days to dry up, 4 times the time it took to rain. 🧐🤔 But then again Gen 7: 11 and Gen 8 14 : 16 basically says it took 1 year and 10 days for the earth to dry up. So pls enlighten me with more mental gymnastics, sorry logic.

If the water subside within 150 days how long do you expect the ground to replenish for animals and humans to return to the planet for their day to day life?
Remember that all the creatures depend on whatever grows on the planet to survive {Genesis 8:6-12} while inside the ark God kept them safe by His power to sustain life! Matthew 4:4

Guy whether you like it or not some people will think intelligently to figure out what really happened as we would when investigating any case that's critical.

For 40 days rain fell nonstop and after for 150 days the water kept going down but in all it took a whole year for the planet to return to normal life. No critic can create any negative idea about this because it's what we all know about our planet regarding flooding and how it takes time to get things back in order!

Lucifyre:
😁 Da fuq! Man u really just confirmed ur level with this ur bullet points huh! U really need to educate urself man cause... Anyways no plenty talk, it's still simple really, can u provide proof of any of ur claims so far with sources?? No & Never! End of story. If science can't provide 100% proof, please by all means provide ur 100% proof to make and establish ur claim as fact. 😁

Scientists didn't create the world. Whatever they don't know today, they can know tomorrow. Whatever they've not found today, they can find tomorrow. It's unwise to make conclusive deductions on matters that are still being actively researched.

It's logical to believe that a flood really happened that gave rise the myths about it found in various cultures. You can't ask for 100% proof for such a thing as flood that took place thousands of years ago. You can only believe or disbelieve. God is relational, and everything God says is true.

When scientists were telling the world that the earth was flat, nobody believed the Bible when the Bible clearly stated that the earth was spherical:

Isaiah 40:22
"It is he who sits above the circle of the earth."

Note that the Hebrew word 'Khug' translated as Circle is better translated Vault or Sphere.

Job 26:7 says the earth is suspended over nothing. That at a time when science said it is sustained by two giant elephants:

"God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing."

Science has come to align with Bible over many things. Realignments would continue to occur as more discoveries are made.