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Juvechelsea96:
It is obvious you don't know the definition of minimum wage and you don't have ideas to share so this thread is not ideal for you.
Share your ideas if you have any. I have shared mine. Have a healthy conversation if you can try.

I asked you what's minimum wage and not the definition of minimum wage.

Your thread is not complete if you don't first show you know everything about minimum wage

Labour's proposal is based on a correct understanding on what minimum wage is, while your ,81k is based on what it's not.

And I'm certain you don't know that minimum wage is law in this country and what the law entails. If you know it , your op will show it.

mrvitalis:
Let's take food

Explain how u can eat with 1k in a day

You buy foodstuff that you can afford and cook at home and eat as well at home.
Remember I said it is expected that the individual also has a side hustle.

Juvechelsea96:
You say stop the lies as if I am the issue of discussion on one hand and on the other hand as if you have substantial evidence against mine that only 5states are not paying where many owed more than 6months salary.
Be constructive in your reasoning and posts.

The topic is: what do you think about an ₦81,000 minimum wage in view of Federal Government offer of ₦60,000?

Labour has come out to say that it's only 5 States in Nigeria not paying minimum wage and it was even on front page on this same forum.. Anambra, one of the states mentioned, has even come out to deny it.

So where did you get your figures from that 20 States are unable to pay and even owing.l salaries Don't just say things you can't substantiate with fact's and figures .

triplechoice:
I asked you what's minimum wage and not the definition of minimum wage.

Your thread is not complete if you don't first show you know everything about minimum wage

Labour's proposal is based on a correct understanding on what minimum wage is, while your ,81k is based on what it's not.

And I'm certain you don't know that minimum wage is law in this country and what the law entails. If you know it , your op will show it.

You have not shared any idea you know only caustic remarks. Share your own idea of what the minimum wage should be on tbe grounds of your state of origin's or state of habitation's Internally Generated Revenue, the debt the country owes, the GDP of the country, what your state of origin or state of habitation receives from the centre, the other wages paid to the other cadres of civil service as well as the projected number of Civil Servants in the stated STATE.
Share your idea.

Juvechelsea96:
You buy foodstuff that you can afford and cook at home and eat as well at home.
Remember I said it is expected that the individual also has a side hustle.

Stop talking of side hustle. There are some . ministries where' you won't have time for any side hustle.
Besides, during break time, most workers buy food from restaurants in and around their offices. Everyone cannot be carrying food to the office.

triplechoice:
Labour has come out to say that it's only 5 States in Nigeria not paying minimum wage and it was even on front page on this same forum.. Anambra, one of the states mentioned, has even come out to deny it.

So where did you get your figures from that 20 States are unable to pay and even owing.l salaries Don't just say things you can't substantiate with fact's and figures .

You need to know that paying minimum wage should not involve borrowing from an extraneous source to pay as it only generates an endless cycle of debts.

When you have time read the below: https://nairametrics.com/2024/03/21/cbn-interventions-31-state-govs-borrow-n457-17-billion-to-pay-salaries/

Juvechelsea96:
You buy foodstuff that you can afford and cook at home and eat as well at home.
Remember I said it is expected that the individual also has a side hustle.

Break it down

Break 7k food stuff u can buy that can last you a week

Juvechelsea96:
You have not shared any idea you know only caustic remarks. Share your own idea of what the minimum wage should be on tbe grounds of your state of origin's or state of habitation's Internally Generated Revenue, the debt the country owes, the GDP of the country, what your state of origin or state of habitation receives from the centre, the other wages paid to the other cadres of civil service as well as the projected number of Civil Servants in the stated STATE.
Share your idea.

I see you're misinforming the public about
minimum wage hence the reason for my comments you called caustic.

I have been sharing vital info concerning minimum wage everywhere on this forum because I see most people here are very ignorant concerning the matter.

So, it's not what you think .Everyone cannot agree with you. If you don't know that and don't know how to deal with it, then you will quarrel with those who disagree with you.

And that's what you're doing right now.

triplechoice:
Stop talking of side hustle. There are some . ministries where' you won't have time for any side hustle.
Besides, during break time, most workers buy food from restaurants in and around their offices. Everyone cannot be carrying food to the office.

I must applaud your delight in negativism rather that constructive analysis. From all you have said, you haven't shared an idea of what your or an ideal minimum wage should be using indices I mentioned.

Juvechelsea96:
You need to know that paying minimum wage should not involve borrowing from an extraneous source to pay as it only generates an endless cycle of debts.

When you have time read the below: https://nairametrics.com/2024/03/21/cbn-interventions-31-state-govs-borrow-n457-17-billion-to-pay-salaries/

The article was based on intervention given to states by the Buhari led federal government more than 5 years ago to pay salaries . It was during the covid 19 period.

You're not current. Talk of the current moment please.

Let's not quarrel about this. Let the discussion proceed peacefully

triplechoice:
I see you're misinforming the public about
minimum wage hence the reason for my comments you called caustic.

I have been sharing vital info concerning minimum wage everywhere on this forum because I see most people here are very ignorant concerning the matter.

So, it's not what you think .Everyone cannot agree with you. If you don't know that and don't know how to deal with it, then you will quarrel with those who disagree with you.

And that's what you're doing right now.

My interest is not on people agreeing or disagreeing with me which seems to be your interest. My interest is on getting peoples constructive opinion on the sustenability of their ideal minimum wage without a state government repeatedly borrowing to achieve same.

Read this: https://nairametrics.com/2024/03/21/cbn-interventions-31-state-govs-borrow-n457-17-billion-to-pay-salaries/ Afterwards, share your ideal minimum wage and break it down noting that it would be the lowest pay for the lowest cadre of civil service.

Juvechelsea96:
Is that the unhealthy idea you have to offer?
If I should ask you what your states IGR is over the past 4years and what your state gets from the FG every year broken down to the estimated number of Civil servants and the payments to the order levels/grades in Civil service vis-a-vis what your state of origin or state of habitation contributes to the centre: can you clearly enumerate these? Or for you it is about money getting increased anyhow? Convince me you can make healthy contributions.

Me giving you a brake down of all this you listed is absolutely wast of time,
I am from Delta State.
If you are intelligent enough, the name of my state answers all that questions.
Back to the topic, the government, you are supporting to pay 60k as minimum, not even a councilor, will accept such as a salary but you want the common man to accept it.
Or are we not all Nigerian
Ask yourself this question how much does your senator n house of rep receive
And you want the common man to accept 60k
You are unserious

triplechoice:
The article was based on intervention given to states by the Buhari led federal government more than 5 years ago to pay salaries . It was during the covid 19 period.

You're not current. Talk of the current moment please.

Let's not quarrel about this. Let the discussion proceed peacefully

You are being informed that more than 20 states owe their ability to pay the olf minimum wage to the bailouts they received and they have not cleared their debts till date yet you say I am not current.
Can you share your ideal minimum wage on tbe basis of the indices I mentioned? That will show that your intention is not to derail the thread because I am not in governance. Just share your idea of your ideal minimum wage and how it can be sustained without borrowing.

In another development: https://dailypost.ng/2024/03/24/economic-hardship-31-states-owe-cbn-n330bn-salary-bailout-funds/

Juvechelsea96:
My interest is not on people agreeing or disagreeing with me which seems to be your interest. My interest is on getting peoples constructive opinion on the sustenability of their ideal minimum wage without a state government repeatedly borrowing to achieve same.

Read this: https://nairametrics.com/2024/03/21/cbn-interventions-31-state-govs-borrow-n457-17-billion-to-pay-salaries/ Afterwards, share your ideal minimum wage and break it down noting that it would be the lowest pay for the lowest cadre of civil service.

Minimum wage is not just the money paid to the lowest cadre of civili servants, but also what can afford them the basic necessities of life for themselves and their immediate family members. This last part ,which most people ignore, is the reason I initially asked you " what's minimum wage"

Hope you now understand where I'm coming from.

See, most of the governors really don't want to pay a living wage. There are being forced to due to one reason or the other.

The current president has been begging the governors to pay wage awards pending when discussions concerning the new minimum wage is finally concluded. Allocations going to sates has been increased for that purpose. It's almost times 3 now, yet some governors have refused to pay the wage awards. They have ignored the president and quietly channeling the money elsewhere and pretending as if it's still as before.

So tell me now, what's the reason for their refusal to pay if not wickedness and insensitivity.

Kingray10:
Me giving you a brake down of all this you listed is absolutely wast of time,
I am from Delta State.
If you are intelligent enough, the name of my state answers all that questions.
Back to the topic, the government, you are supporting to pay 60k as minimum, not even a councilor, will accept such as a salary but you want the common man to accept it.
Or are we not all Nigerian
Ask yourself this question how much does your senator n house of rep receive
And you want the common man to accept 60k
You are unserious

That you are from Delta State does not tell all.
If you truly read through you will see where I stated: Since the FG is refusing to go above ₦60,000 and from likely projections they will not go beyond ₦120,000 why don't the NLC consider ₦81,000 as its minimum wage? If the country's GDP is not improving more than 150% over the past 12months and the naira is not gaining over the Pound, Euro or Dollar and you are not gaining much from your oil proceeds or other mineral resources neither is the FG ready to explore other resources for wide scale export to boost the economy, HOW DO YOU SUSTAIN THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Juvechelsea96:
You are being informed that more than 20 states owe their ability to pay the olf minimum wage to the bailouts they received and they have not cleared their debts till date yet you say I am not current.
Can you share your ideal minimum wage on tbe basis of the indices I mentioned? That will show that your intention is not to derail the thread because I am not in governance. Just share your idea of your ideal minimum wage and how it can be sustained without borrowing.

In another development: https://dailypost.ng/2024/03/24/economic-hardship-31-states-owe-cbn-n330bn-salary-bailout-funds/

That money was from long ago. Please find out the exact date the loan was given. It wasn't Tinubu government.

The governors are currently getting almost times 3 from the centre since last year. So ,no state has borrowed any money recently to pay salaries.

triplechoice:
Minimum wage is not just the money paid to the lowest cadre of civili servants, but also what can afford them the basic necessities of life for themselves and their immediate family members. This last part ,which most people ignore, is the reason I initially asked you " what's minimum wage"

Hope you now understand where I'm coming from.

See, most of the governors really don't want to pay a living wage. There are being forced to due to one reason or the other.

The current president has been begging the governors to pay wage awards pending when discussions concerning the new minimum wage is finally concluded. Allocations going to sates has been increased for that purpose. It's almost times 3 now, yet some governors have refused to pay the wage awards. They have ignored the president and quietly channeling the money elsewhere and pretending as if it's still bas before.

So tell me now, what's the reason for their refusal to pay if not wickedness and insensitivity.

Good point made but have we sat down to look at what we export and the gains that accrue? Have we asked if we can explore other resources for financial gain that will transmit to better livelihood for the citizenry?
I wish to say I am indifferent to this government as a matter of fact after Obasanjo's administration every other seemed to have been subpar in almost everything.

Juvechelsea96:
That you are from Delta State does not tell all.
If you truly read through you will see where I stated: Since the FG is refusing to go above ₦60,000 and from likely projections they will not go beyond ₦120,000 why don't the NLC consider ₦81,000 as its minimum wage? If the country's GDP is not improving more than 150% over the past 12months and the naira is not gaining over the Pound, Euro or Dollar and you are not gaining much from your oil proceeds or other mineral resources

(neither is the FG ready to explore other resources for wide scale export to boost the economy,)

HOW DO YOU SUSTAIN THE MINIMUM WAGE?

Boss the govt is not refusing to go above, I bet they will make a higher proposal.

The answer to your question is in your statement, they should be ready, bc it's what we elect them to do. We didn't elect them to destroy the economy, we elect them to improve it.

For me, given the current economic climate, my idea minimum wage is 250 to 300k.

But because I know the government won't pay that amount, 120k to 150k should be accepted by labour.

When Buhari approved 30 k 5 years ago,it amounted to $83 and a bag of rice was between 18k to 24k.

Now that a bag of local rice is about 80k, 81k minimum wage which is about $55 is very unrealistic and not enough to afford the average Nigeria worker the basic necessities of life for himself and his family members.

Juvechelsea96:
Good point made but have we sat down to look at what we export and the gains that accrue? Have we asked if we can explore other resources for financial gain that will transmit to better livelihood for the citizenry?
I wish to say I am indifferent to this government as a matter of fact after Obasanjo's administration every other seemed to have been subpar in almost everything.

The problem we have in this country is corruption. And that's because we have elected or forced to elect mostly thieves into our various state government houses in Nigeria.

They're not there to improve anything or to develop their state, but to steal from government coffers.

So , even if they have the money to pay, what they consider first, is what we be left for us after paying minimum wage?

If the answer is not what they like,then they do everything not to pay.

Juvechelsea96:
https://dailypost.ng/2024/03/24/economic-hardship-31-states-owe-cbn-n330bn-salary-bailout-funds/

Between 2015 to 2023.

Most of the borrowings were during the covid 19 period. It's only a few States that borrowed recently.

Modified. Another thing absent from the report is the number of States that borrowed recently. How many?

Inquiries made reveal that in greater than 19states of the Federation there has been on average a 60% increase in Rent Fee especially 2 bedrooms and above.
Also taking this into cognizance I suggest the FG considers raising the Minimum wage to ₦115,000. This I believe might be sustainable.

Worthy of note:

*MY BREAKDOWN OF THE ₦138,000 POSTULATED IS AS SEEN BELOW* :


*Food and Drinking Water ₦51,000(₦1,700 × 30)*

*Transportation ₦20,000*

*Housing/Accommodation ₦18,000 per month*

*Medical ₦13,500*

*Clothing ₦12,500*

*Education ₦9,500*

*Electricity/Power ₦5,500*

*Cooking Coal ₦5,000*

*Utility Water ₦2,000*

*Sanitation ₦1,000*

HAPPY NEW MONTH TO US ALL.

Juvechelsea96:
*MY BREAKDOWN OF THE ₦138,000 POSTULATED IS AS SEEN BELOW* :


*Food and Drinking Water ₦51,000(₦1,700 × 30)*

*Transportation ₦20,000*

*Housing/Accommodation ₦18,000 per month*

*Medical ₦13,500*

*Clothing ₦12,500*

*Education ₦9,500*

*Electricity/Power ₦5,500*

*Cooking Coal ₦5,000*

*Utility Water ₦2,000*

*Sanitation ₦1,000*

HAPPY NEW MONTH TO US ALL.

The 9.500k for education is very vague. For whose education is it?

And food, #1, 700k a day? Maybe you live in the north.

triplechoice:
The 9.500k for education is very vague. For whose education is it?

And food, #1, 700k a day? Maybe you live in the north.

Vitriolic thoughts beget vitriolic comments. I don't live in the North. The figure is only a projected least possible payment for an 8hours a day 5days a week in a month job that I think is fair.

I HAVE A STRONG FEELING THAT THE NLC, TUC etc AND FG(AFTER CONSIDERING AFFORDABILITY, SUSTENABILILITY, AND IMMEDIATE EFFECT ON THE ECONOMY) WILL SETTLE FOR ₦110,000 AS MINIMUM WAGE.

Samakus:
My take is that you're one of the problems of Nigeria

You're pitying your oppressors? I don't know 2by2 no dey nairaland

Take your 2by2 and go meet your clumsy Governors that say they cannot pay ₦62,000 as my suggestion is even above what the only state at the moment(Edo State) paying above ₦60,000 is offering.