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helinues:
Bro, let's be realistic.

So the National Assembly should not discuss about cattles and open grazing? If they discuss about it, then the Fulanis will keep pushing their cows everywhere. A country without laws?

A good society is built on laws and rule of law. And laws are made to solve problems or prevent it. The discussion of cow herding is important as it attend to the perennial problem confronting Nigeria and will prevent the outbreak of war. I agree it is long overdue. The FG must make law to explain to organise business, not least the agro-based industries to enhance output and stem food insecurity

raskymonojendor:
There is a different between dairy cattle and cattle reared for beef consumption. If you don't know the difference, I can't even engage you.

All cows eventually end up as meat, regardless of whether they’re used for diary or not. Even cows used exclusively for meat in Netherlands and other places are also 3x bigger than Fulani malnourished cows. I have seen cows in different countries and all of them are much bigger and healthier than Fulani cows.

raskymonojendor:
So the National Assembly should not discuss about cattles and open grazing? If they discuss about it, then the Fulanis will keep pushing their cows everywhere. A country without laws?

Discussing for how many years without solution?

EmeeNaka:
A good society is built on laws and rule of law. And laws are made to solve problems or prevent it. The discussion of cow herding is important as it attend to the perennial problem confronting Nigeria and will prevent the outbreak of war. I agree it is long overdue. The FG must make law to explain to organise business, not least the agro-based industries to enhance output and stem food insecurity

Abi

If there are laws and regulations in place, we wouldn't be having this back and forth arguments

helinues:
This is not about having any evil agenda, it's just the level of illiteracy or perhaps exposure about cows business ( no disrespecting) .

If those who are into cow business consider of having their own ranch, feed their cows with nourished grass, hays or whatever the cows might been eating, they would make more money from diary, having healthy cows and more reproductions.

Cows eating anyhow grass might even affect their reproductions, diseases and infections which might be harmful to.the consumers

if its not about evil agenda why are the herders going about killing people in their farms on cold blood while the islamic presidents are giving them supports

Afamsi:
if its not about evil agenda why are the herders going about killing people in their farms on cold blood while the islamic presidents are giving them supports

That's where illiteracy comes in

Eventually, their cows are not that healthy, majority of them don't even have a clue about modern diary business

raskymonojendor:
Not entirely true. I do alot of field work and I have seen open grazing here in the USA and Canada. Sometimes I have to stop for the cows to cross some roads.

It's not uncommon to see cow boys on horses or ATVs herding cows in rural America.

Not supporting open grazing as the environment are different. It would be hard for a Nigerian farmer to fence his/her property all around due to cost to prevent cattles invading their farms, and the menace of Fulani herdsmen commiting crimes.

That's why the discussion in the national assembly is more than just cows like OP is trying to make it seem like.

I wasn't talking about America but Europe to begin with.

Secondly, can you see "modern time limitations" culled from the same wiki place you brought your article.

Just like I already stated, open grazing is an archaic backward unproductive practice. This is 21st century for crying out loud.

MrEverest:
All cows eventually end up as meat, regardless of whether they’re used for diary or not. Even cows used exclusively for meat in Netherlands and other places are also 3x bigger than Fulani malnourished cows. I have seen cows in different countries and all of them are much bigger and healthier than Fulani cows.

That's not true.

These first two attached pictures are Black Angus cows I often encounter on open grazing when I go out to work in the field. Myself and 3 friends also buy a full cow from farms as well to butcher, share, and keep in freezers. They are not always bigger than Fulani cows.

The white Fulani cow in the 3rd picture is bigger and taller. Cows have different breeds.

Dsimmer:
I wasn't talking about America but Europe to begin with.

Secondly, can you see "modern time limitations" culled from the same wiki place you brought your article.

Just like I already stated, open grazing is an archaic backward unproductive practice. This is 21st century for crying out loud.

Check my last paragraph in the post you quoted. If the government don't make laws, how can you limit the movement of cows to a certain region or location?

Ps: North America too are sane societies.

helinues:
Discussing for how many years without solution?

We will keep discussing till we find solutions.

OP does not even want issues about cows to be discussed. Whether we like it or not, we consume a large amount of meat in the south part of Nigeria and beef are a vital component of our food. We just need rules and laws to ensure herding or farming is done properly.

Problems won't go away if we keep running from it instead of confronting it head on.

Mynd44:
They are not debating cow, they are debating the beef and dairy industry which is a multi-billion industry and affects the lives of millions it also employs thousands of people.

You can't just over-simpkify it to be cow

seun made a mistake by employing folks like you.
The day he get ride of folks like this is the day this forum will be better and compete with international forums

Mynd44:
They are not debating cow, they are debating the beef and dairy industry which is a multi-billion industry and affects the lives of millions it also employs thousands of people.

You can't just over-simpkify it to be cow

You liar.
Cows Nigeria consume are imported.
We dont consume those cows roaming the street so yes, they are debating cows.
And those imported cows are ranched

And I will post this here again as it seems posters think I support the type of herding Fulanis are carrying out in Nigeria.

Not supporting open grazing as the environment are different. It would be hard for a Nigerian farmer to fence his/her property all around due to cost to prevent cattles invading their farms, and the menace of Fulani herdsmen commiting crimes.

descarado:
You liar.
Cows Nigeria consume are imported.
We dont consume those cows roaming the street so yes, they are debating cows.
And those imported cows are ranched

Only 25% of cows consumed in Nigeria are imported.

raskymonojendor:
Check my last paragraph in the post you quoted. If the government don't make laws, how can you limit the movement of cows to a certain region or location?

Ps: North America too are sane societies.

So why the cry from criminal barbarians when laws are being implemented to ensure a civilized sane Nigeria in the 21st century?

Meanwhile, I knew why I mentioned Europe, not America because America is different from Europe. First and foremost, the real American natives are in the remote countryside. These American natives in the midst of several immigrants are bound to be given some leeway to begin with. Besides, they are in the remote countryside areas. Despite all these, modern law was still enacted to limit such backward open grazing practice by them.

This is different from useless criminal immigrants from other places wanting to cause havoc in a country 🙄

raskymonojendor:
We will keep discussing till we find solutions.

OP does not even want issues about cows to be discussed. Whether we like it or not, we consume a large amount of meat in the south part of Nigeria and beef are a vital component of our food. We just need rules and laws to ensure herding or farming is done properly.

Problems won't go away if we keep running from it instead of confronting it head on.

What is stopping the southern people from starting their own cow business without relying on Northern cows.

Can't we start the solution from there?

Dsimmer:
So why the cry from barbarians when laws are being implemented to ensure a civilized sane Nigeria in the 21st century?

Meanwhile, I knew why I mentioned Europe, not America because America is different from Europe. First and foremost, the real American natives are in the remote countryside. These American natives in the midst of several immigrants are bound to be given some leeway to begin with. Besides, they are in the remote countryside areas. Despite all these, modern laws was still enacted to limit such backward open grazing practice by them.

This is different from useless immigrants wanting to cause havoc in a country 🙄

While I agree with majority of your post. I disagree with the bolded.

1. I have lived in North America both USA and Canada for 15 years. I have never met a first Nation or native American rancher. They are all white as in caucasian.

2. Some of the locations are not remote like that. They could just be 30 minutes drive from town.

But I don't know how they do it. You will not see cows grazing in urban areas like we often see in Nigeria.

helinues:
What is stopping the southern people to start their own cow business without relying on Northern cows.

Can't we start the solution from there?

Good question. I guess money and land.

raskymonojendor:
Good question. I guess money and land.

That can never be an excuse or may be for filmsy one sha

No be the same this southern people dey claim to be more educated than others?

helinues:
What is stopping the southern people to start their own cow business without relying on Northern cows.

Can't we start the solution from there?

Do you have any animal rearing biz? What do you do for a living?

helinues:
That can never be an excuse or may be for filmsy one sha

No be the same this southern people dey claim to be more educated than others?

Wanna waste a whole week just like that?

raskymonojendor:
That's not true.

These first two attached pictures are Black Angus cows I often encounter on open grazing when I go out to work in the field. Myself and 3 friends also buy a full cow from farms as well to butcher, share, and keep in freezers. They are not always bigger than Fulani cows.

The white Fulani cow in the 3rd picture is bigger and taller. Cows have different breeds.

Of course, cows are of different species.
The meat and milk yield of those breeds they rear in ranches are far greater than the malnourished and suffering Fulani cattle.

Animals are no different from humans in nature, you can’t be moving your cows about for long distances, under scorching sun and with little food yet expect it not to diminish significantly.

The pictures below are how big ranch reared cattle can be.

helinues:
That can never be an excuse or may be for filmsy one sha

No be the same this southern people dey claim to be more educated than others?

I know there are a few ranch in the south but they are owned by rich people. I know a rich Igbo guy even rearing goats in Abuja and Lagos. He imports the breeds from South Africa and Europe.

helinues:
This is not about having any evil agenda, it's just the level of illiteracy or perhaps exposure about cows business ( no disrespecting) .

If those who are into cow business consider of having their own ranch, feed their cows with nourished grass, hays or whatever the cows might been eating, they would make more money from diary, having healthy cows and more reproductions.

Cows eating anyhow grass might even affect their reproductions, diseases and infections which might be harmful to.the consumers

Bakery workers needed at Oshodi.

raskymonojendor:
I know there are a few ranch in the south but they are owned by rich people. I know a rich Igbo guy even rearing goat in Abuja and Lagos. He imports the breeds from South Africa and Europe.

Bro put ranching apart. Why should southerners be selling or buying half yams? Are we disabled in the region that we can't go into extent farming. What is the excuse? Land or money?

MrEverest:
Of course, cows are of different species.
The meat and milk yield of those breeds they rear in ranches are far greater than the malnourished and suffering Fulani cattle.

Animals are no different from humans in nature, you can’t be moving your cows about for long distances, under scorching sun and with little food yet expect it not to diminish significantly.

The pictures below are how big ranch reared cattle can be.

The 1st picture is a dairy cattle. The 2nd one is a red Angus bull. But I understand what you mean.

helinues:
Bro put ranching apart. Why should southerners be selling or buying half yams? Are we disabled in the region that we can't go into extent farming. What is the excuse? Land or money?

The half yam na Buhari and Tinubu economics cause that one ooo, but if people can go to the farm, they might be able to increase supply but yam cultivation and harvesting is hardwork ooo. Are there even combines and harvesters used for yam farming

kYjelly2:
Dude, it's just cow.

They are not debating any industry, if not you would have heard terms like preservation, pricing, processing, standards...

They are talking about whether or not, COW should be allowed to roam the streets.

Something that has a simple answer, "NO" and a simple solution, "RANCHING"



The issue with Nigeria is we make simple problems look like Rocket Science, so simple problems with simple solutions keep piling up unsolved.


NO! COWS SHOULD NOT BE HERDED ON THE STREETS , simple, then move on to the next problem.


If in 2024 we can't figure out whether or not COWs should be herded on public streets, then what year do you think we will solve problems like Electricity and pipe borne water? In year 3000?

God have mercy on us.

The solution to the problems of cattle rearing will usher in numerous economic opportunities for Nigeria. Cows are the starting 'raw materials' for beef, dairy and leather industries.

The reason why we are discussing it now is because the PROBLEMS WERE NOT SOLVED IN THE PAST.

raskymonojendor:
While I agree with majority of your post. I disagree with the bolded.

1. I have lived in North America both USA and Canada for 15 years. I have never met a first Nation or native American rancher. They are all white as in caucasian.

2. Some of the locations are not remote like that. They could just be 30 minutes drive from town.

Now you mention ranchers, not open grazers.

That was the point to begin with. Ranching, not backward archaic open grazing. As a matter of fact, open grazing isn't practised in Europe.

In America, the natives in the country side were given some privileges, regarding open grazing however modern law enacted has brought limitation to such backward practice because even the natives were inconveniencing their fellow natives with the backward unproductive practice.

One fact to note though, is no useless immigrant has any right to be causing havoc to the native of a place/region, let alone, bringing useless retarded harmful backward practice to disturb the natives of the place. That's the case we have in Nigeria.

oyatz:
The solution to the problems of cattle rearing will usher in numerous economic opportunities for Nigeria. Cows are the starting 'raw materials' for beef, dairy and leather industries.

The reason why we are discussing it now is because the PROBLEMS WERE NOT SOLVED IN THE PAST.

This is my point exactly. We can't keep running away from it and letting herdsmen continue grazing everywhere and destroying farms and frictions. Best to have some law that controls how they rear their cattles.

opamoses1:
Only 25% of cows consumed in Nigeria are imported.

Is that what they told you?
Take it from someone who know more than an average of how northern politics is played. The same way northern population is bigger than yours if you are from the south.

Those cows are still roaming around cos you believed this lie.
Else, why wil cows be roaming about if there is no political undertone.

Your consumed cows come from nebouring countries that ranches. I think you do not know what you consume daily as beef and how long it takes for a cow to be born and grow to maturity.