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AntiChristian:
Question 3
If Christ died for the sins of mankind, then by his sacrifice we are all sinless. On the cross and before his death he did not specify any criteria for his sacrifice to be upon us. He never put such conditions as belief in him as a deity or that we must accept the yet to be announced religion of ‘Christianity’ or to profess belief in the ‘Trinitarian Godhead’. If there are conditions, (let’s say to believe in him), then mere belief in his existence satisfies this condition. If Christ did die, then he died for you, me and everyone else and we are therefore sinless through his death. If it is claimed that he died only for the elect, then his death was useless as he claimed to die for all (John 3:16), but his death was not good enough to save everyone. The logic behind his death is also of great interest.

MaxInDHouse:
Your question!

AntiChristian:
My question

AntiChristian:
Question 3
[color=#000099][b]If Christ died for the sins of mankind, then by his sacrifice we are all sinless. On the cross and before his death he did not specify any

QuinQ:
And your question is?

John 3:16 (King James Version)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

MaxInDHouse:
OK o!

AntiChristian:
Maybe you wanted to type "And my answer is:"

John 3:16 does not not say we should believe Jesus's death to be saved from our sins!

AntiChristian:
What's the logic behind the death of Jesus for the sins of Mankind?
And did Jesus ever tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved?
Who benefits from the death and how will one benefit as stated by Jesus in the New Testament?

AntiChristian:
What's the logic behind the death of Jesus for the sins of Mankind?
And did Jesus ever tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved?
Who benefits from the death and how will one benefit as stated by Jesus in the New Testament?

QuinQ:
I hope you're not drunk. This is a drunk person's talk.
The Bible is NOT to be taken one verse at a time, but all together. If you have even a cursory knowledge of the book you'd know that to be saved you accept Jesus into your heart and believe he died for your sins.

MaxInDHouse:
I was like you in Islam before i accepted these things so when i respond to you try to listen if anyone tries to deceive you because they're making money from their religion you should be intelligent enough to know that that's not my own motive i'm explaining what i'm fully convinced of so calm down and let's reason!

AntiChristian:
You've said this so many times and I wonder what's your gain repeating it again and again!
Which money? You never answer the question!

QuinQ:
I'd assume you're humbly asking because you don't know.
God used to require animal or other sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins. Sacrifice of Jesus absolved humanity from having to do that anymore
Jesus DIED for your sins IF you accept he died for your sins.
Those who'd benefit from his death are those who accept him into their hearts and believe he died for their sins

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said he came to lay down his life in exchange for many to gain salvation! Mark 10:45

Unless you won't accept what is found written in the New Testament!

AntiChristian:
What's the logic behind the death of Jesus for the sins of Mankind?
And did Jesus ever tell anyone to believe in his death to be saved?
Who benefits from the death and how will one benefit as stated by Jesus in the New Testament?

AntiChristian:
Where did Jesus himself ever say he will die for my sins and that I have to believe in his death for my sins to be saved?

AntiChristian:
Jesus is not an exception!

MaxInDHouse:
This is what Islamists always claim but i'm sorry my friend Islam has nothing to do with what is written in the Bible.

All the prophets from Moses were expecting the Messiah which Jesus' disciples concluded that Jesus is that Messiah so don't let Arabians mislead you Jesus is an exceptional prophet!

QuinQ:
As I said, this is a drunk person's talk.
Oga how much of the Bible have you read and digested. There are people who know the Bible inside out. They all agree on certain things. Why not learn from them instead if asking infantile questions

AntiChristian:
Show me then?

AntiChristian:
This is unambiguous!
What did John the baptist do?
What did other Prophets do?

They all lived and died for people to repent from sins and worship the one God!

The life of a Prophet is already a random for many!

Jesus is not an exception!

See the full questions again!

AntiChristian:
Were they expecting someone who would die for their sins and whose believe in his death is required for the salvation of mankind?

AntiChristian:
Noah and Abraham never expected any Messiah in the Bible! It is not all the Prophets in the Bible! That's a lie.

QuinQ:
Christ must have said trillions of words. Only a tiny fraction was recorded. People who were with him have told you the upshot of his message - he came to die for sins of those who'd accept him and accept he died for their sins.
And you're here asking what exactly??

QuinQ:
So why did John the Baptist, acclaimed one of the greatest prophets, say he was not fit to untie the shoe of another mere prophet??

MaxInDHouse:
Of course the Israelite prophets kept revealing to their people that the Messiah will die for the sin of obedient mankind {Isaiah 53:8} and since the Jews will end up not believing him as the saviour of the world their city and Temple will be destroyed {Daniel 9:26} and so it was as the Roman armies came to destroy Jerusalem in the year 70 C.E.


Noah and Abraham surely knew that a prophet will come to restore the blessings God took away from the earth after Adam sinned! Genesis 3:17
That CURSE is what kept making things hard for mankind till today it's until God apply that ransom sacrifice of Christ that earth will be blessed again just as it was before Adam sinned! Psalms 67:6-7

AntiChristian:
Checking the contexts of these your citations I can see you are extremely lost!

MaxInDHouse:
OK o!

Iamanoited:
JESUS IS NOT LUCIFER.
THE ONE IS WHOLLY HOLY,
THE OTHER IS WICKED.
THE LORD WATCHES OVER THE RIGHTEOUS,
BUT THE WICKED SHALL PERISH.

QuinQ:
As I said, this is a drunk person's talk.
Oga how much of the Bible have you read and digested. There are people who know the Bible inside out. They all agree on certain things. Why not learn from them instead if asking infantile questions

AntiChristian:
The Messiah will die for the sins of obedient mankind!
Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! The benefit of his sacrificial death will only be applied on obedient mankind not all humans that's the import of what is recorded in the Bible book of John 3:16-18