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AmiableMosquito:
I am so happy for you. I really want out too....

You have to plan and work towards it.

pianogirl:
Lobatan!!! NLC Strike Episode 2 loading.
We all saw this coming. After all, N62,000 is higher than N60,000. Isn't it?
Shebi it was National Grid they shut down before. This time around, dem go kuku disconnect all the electric poles join. Let's see how this movie would eventually play out.

On a more serious note, NLC should make more pressing demands beyond minimum wage that affects the entirety of the Nigerian population, not just the civil servants and salary earners. How about[b] insisting on government tackling the inflation rates and high cost of living, price regulation of goods and services, reducing the electricity tariffs, creating enabling policies for business owners and ensuring the welfare of every Nigerian[/b] .

that is not a concrete demand for a strike action. You might want to concretise that demand.

imagine going on strike until government tackles inflation rate. What is the target for you to call off your strike?

This administration is so clueless what is causing inflation removal of fuel subsides and electricity hike herders and farmers clash why can't the Government reintroduce the fuel subsides back just for the main time since they know that increasing the minimum wage will be too hard for them to curtail... this country Nigeria is heading backward as the days go by what is really wrong with this bastards that are in charge of the helm of affairs of this Nation

GOVT IS FIGHTING INFLATION WITH THIS 62K,BECOS AT 100 NIGERIAN TRADERS WILL CAUSE HYPER INFLATION
THE 62K IS OK IF AND ONLY IF :
GOVT PROVIDE WORKERS DISCOUNTED MASS TRANSIT DAILY,
PROVIDE DISCOUNT FOOD MARKET AND
PROVIDE ACCOMODATION FOR ALL WORKERS GOVT AND NON GOVT NATIONWIDE,WE HAVE THE RESOURSES FROM MONEY REMOVED FROM SUBSIDY TO DO THEM 24/7.

Minimum wage under jonathan, #18000
Bag of rice under jonathan, #7000

Minimum wage under tinubu, #30000
Bag of rice under tinubu, #85000

Lets do the maths
Since bag of rice is constant, #7000 under jonathan is equivalent to #85000 under tinubu

To determine the value of jonathans minimum wage in tinubus era gives

18000/7000= 2.57143
Recall that every #7000 under jonathan is equivalent to #85000 under tinubu

: . 2.57143 x 85000 = #218,571

So nairalanders
If jonathan of PDP were in charge of nigeria today minimum wage will have been equivalent of #218,571

Labour should endeavour to peg their negotiation to #250000, to accomodate tinubus APC induced inflation
FIXED

TINUBUU vs JONATHAN challenge;
If clueless jonathan can pay it, then technocrat tinubu can pay it.

#62000 under tiinubu is equivalent to

62000/85000 x 70000 = #5106

APC IS WICKED.

Same FG can change petrol price anyhow.

[quote author=pianogirl post=130359274]Lobatan!!! NLC Strike Episode 2 loading.
We all saw this coming. After all, N62,000 is higher than N60,000. Isn't it?
Shebi it was National Grid they shut down before. This time around, dem go kuku disconnect all the electric poles join. Let's see how this movie would eventually play out.

On a more serious note, NLC should make more pressing demands beyond minimum wage that affects the entirety of the Nigerian population, not just the civil servants and salary earners. How about insisting on government tackling the inflation rates and high cost of living, price regulation of goods and services, reducing the electricity tariffs, creating enabling policies for business owners and ensuring the welfare of every Nigerian.

Aside from the ELECTRICITY tariff reduction, all your other suggestions are all vague.
NLC has the reversal of the electricity tariff increase in it's demands, the provision of the promised CNG BUSES, The PH refinery that was promised to come on stream by December 2023, amongst other things.
The min WAGE increase is even statutory, but must make SENSE to the current reality of the economy.

rottennaija:
Someday, this country will be brought to its knees. That day, the ordinary military men, the police men on the street etc will side with the citizens and chased these politicians out of the country. We can no longer tolerate this people.

It is not going to happen

Someday, this country will be brought to its knees. That day, the ordinary military men, the police men on the street etc will side with the citizens and chased these politicians out of the country. We can no longer tolerate this people.

That day may never come. Never!!!

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Abujaexpress:
At the end, they will all settle at 65k

Edo is already paying 70k. Labour will never receive anything below 70k.

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PARADIZEPRIEST:
GOVT IS FIGHTING INFLATION WITH THIS 62K,BECOS AT 100 NIGERIAN TRADERS WILL CAUSE HYPER INFLATION
THE 62K IS OK IF AND ONLY IF :
GOVT PROVIDE WORKERS DISCOUNTED MASS TRANSIT DAILY,
PROVIDE DISCOUNT FOOD MARKET AND
PROVIDE ACCOMODATION FOR ALL WORKERS GOVT AND NON GOVT NATIONWIDE,WE HAVE THE RESOURSES FROM MONEY REMOVED FROM SUBSIDY TO DO THEM 24/7.

Stop this trash! Tinibu promised all these things last year, where are the palliatives, cnj bus, govt buildings, conditional cash transfer? The only thing government does for you is fuel subsidy. They have removed it. Senators are earning #29 million every month, #1.2 million is hardship allowance every month, dressing allowance #1.2 million, housing allowance #5 million, furniture #5million, car maintenance #1.2 million. These money earned by these senators and their brothers in house of reps won't cause inflation? Respect yourself

Is this realistic at all? :oLet's think deeply about it. Tye scripture says, come and let us reason together.

monex:
that is not a concrete demand for a strike action. You might want to concretise that demand.

imagine going on strike until government tackles inflation rate. What is the target for you to call off your strike?

They don't necessarily have to go on strike until government tackles inflation rate. NLC can make their demands and give government a specific period of time to implement. If government is not able to meet up with the deadline, then NLC has the right to go on strike.

We have chickened out on our leaders for so long, hence the reason the country is what it presently is. The earlier we realize that we as a people have the power to change Nigeria, the better for us. We tend to forget that democracy is government of the people, for the people and by the people. Check out the histories of countries who have experienced a revolution in one way or the other. The citizens of those countries stood up for their rights.

Freebills12:
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Stop this trash! Tinibu promised all these things last year, where are the palliatives, cnj bus, govt buildings, conditional cash transfer? The only thing government does for you is fuel subsidy. They have removed it. Senators are earning #29 million every month, #1.2 million is hardship allowance every month, dressing allowance #1.2 million, housing allowance #5 million, furniture #5million, car maintenance #1.2 million. These money earned by these senators and their brothers in house of reps won't cause inflation? Respect yourself

we are not taliking about your socalled senetors and reps are not more than 2000 nationwide collecting trillions in secrecy, we talking abt population of millions of workers in Nigeria both public and private sector that will cause huge sensation with new salary, the frenzy and hype of excitement that will make traders hike commodity prices arbitrary. Nigerians should demand full mass transit ,housing and food affordabilityy which is crust of the matter.

grandstar:
Let do some small arithmetic's

Every N10,000 wage increases cost the government 950bn. So, an increase of 30,000 will increase the money government is spending by 950bn x 3 which is N2.85tr.

This is huge. This is a government that may borrow 6.6 tr to cover budget shortfalls

https://www.nairaland.com/8117406/fg-may-borrow-6.6-trillion

This will increase the money in circulation and lead to a huge spike in inflation.

There are 2 reasons why Nigerian workers are paid poorly.

Government tax collection is poor. The federal government only collects about 10% of GDP as revenue compared to Ivory Coast which collects 26%. If tax revenues are around 18% of GDP, salaries will be much higher, especially of deserving ones such as those in the health sector.

The second is that the government workforce is bloated. Worse, service delivery is nothing to write home about.

The civil service should be trimmed and made lean and mean, for the purpose of delivering optimal service. Productivity is way too low.

If tax collection is increased and the civil service trimmed, a much improved wage package should be awarded them.

Bola Tinubu from his body language wonders why he should pay lazy civil servants a wage increment.

You can talk about tax collection being poor which is true. The 'but' of the last statement is that we all know what govt does with funds mostly which is stealing it and that will not help the govt increase tax. People are less willing to because what free oil money couldn't do in the hands of leaders shouldnt be expected to happen when tax from people's sweat in involved.
Corruption is a stumbling block to compliance on the peoples part. Nobody will want his sweat to be used to go and stone devil in Saudi Arabia for example. The reform has to be from the top where the power to correct systemic rot is vested and not the base of the societal pyramid. I will stop there for now.

RepoMan007:
You can talk about tax collection being poor which is true. The 'but' of the last statement is that we all know what govt does with funds mostly which is stealing it and that will not help the govt increase tax. People are less willing to because what free oil money couldn't do in the hands of leaders shouldnt be expected to happen when tax from people's sweat in involved.
Corruption is a stumbling block to compliance on the peoples part. Nobody will want his sweat to be used to go and stone devil in Saudi Arabia for example. The reform has to be from the top where the power to correct systemic rot is vested and not the base of the societal pyramid. I will stop there for now.

You'd be shocked to discover that government spending, especially on recurrent expenditure, subsidies and debt servicing actually cause far more damage than corruption.

When Oshiomole became governor, he was shocked to discover that the oil subsidy actually cost a lot of money to fund. He was also surprised that after payment of salaries, there was hardly any money left. He was irked that the little money left, governors were still dipping their hands into it.

Everyone is shouting that the greedy senators have a budget of N344bn. so workers need a serious raise as well. Just raising the minimum wage by 10,000 adds 950bn to the wage bill. One can see the problem first hand.

If the 62,000 minimum wage is accepted, total wage bill of the federal government will hit 5.85 trillion. Add another 5.5tr for the fuel subsidy and that's 10.3 trillion. Debt servicing hasn't been included which will be over 10 trillion. A lot of the debt accumulated was due to fuel subsidies, the government wage bill, and during Buhari's utterly useless 8 years in office, a senseless exchange rate policy that starved all levels of government of funds and distorted the economy.

Can fiscal discipline and corruption co-exist? The answer is yes.

There was lots of corruption during OBJ's government yet it paid off almost all the foreign debt and saved $20bn in the Excess Crude Account.

Lagos state which has a lot of corruption is fiscally prudent. It collects loads of taxes

Abacha's government, despite the fantastical levels of corruption that bedevilled it had a lot of fiscal discipline. The exchange rate stayed at $1- N80 for 4 years. Foreign reserves rose from $500m to $8bn. The fiscal discipline between IBB and Abacha's government were like day and night.

It all boils down to the determination of the president and the governors.

Unless government revenues increase, the country will be in big trouble.

grandstar:
You'd be shocked to discover that government spending, especially on recurrent expenditure, subsidies and debt servicing actually cause far more damage than corruption.

When Oshiomole became governor, he was shocked to discover that the oil subsidy actually cost a lot of money to fund. He was also surprised that after payment of salaries, there was hardly any money left. He was irked that the little money left, governors were still dipping their hands into it.

Everyone is shouting that the greedy senators have a budget of N344bn. so workers need a serious raise as well. Just raising the minimum wage by 10,000 adds 950bn to the wage bill. One can see the problem first hand.

If the 62,000 minimum wage is accepted, total wage bill of the federal government will hit 5.85 trillion. Add another 5.5tr for the fuel subsidy and that's 10.3 trillion. Debt servicing hasn't been included which will be over 10 trillion. A lot of the debt accumulated was due to fuel subsidies, the government wage bill, and during Buhari's utterly useless 8 years in office, a senseless exchange rate policy that starved all levels of government of funds and distorted the economy.

Can fiscal discipline and corruption co-exist? The answer is yes.

There was lots of corruption during OBJ's government yet it paid off almost all the foreign debt and saved $20bn in the Excess Crude Account.

Lagos state which has a lot of corruption is fiscally prudent. It collects loads of taxes

Abacha's government, despite the fantastical levels of corruption that bedevilled it had a lot of fiscal discipline. The exchange rate stayed at $1- N80 for 4 years. Foreign reserves rose from $500m to $8bn. The fiscal discipline between IBB and Abacha's government were like day and night.

It all boils down to the determination of the president and the governors.

Unless government revenues increase, the country will be in big trouble.

Huge recurrent wage, subsidy leakages and bogus pay are all orchestrated from that top so the buck goes there also. Saying wage increase will cost X but ignoring the corruption in civil work force is very bad. In a country where we lack motivated health workers and are battling exodus of same, it is very bad if not demonic for the leaders of major political parties to maintain idlers on payroll of Govt across LGA, states and federal level then cry about the consequence of a N10,000 or N30,000 increase. The corruption.perpetuatedand maintained by these top men by keeping such loyal and idle earners is a stumbling block to giving productive health workers a raise. Imagine that.
Same goes too for education. There are many useless lecturers and faculties and even institutions hustling for scarce resources with truly productive minds. They barely know what education entails and how it fits into the overall picture of the society for an eternal man.

Is it right that states can decide to incur expenses and then cry to FG for minimum wage or allocation to cover their expenses. Imagine two states A and B. A recruits far too many unproductive hands into its workforce, maintains so many educational institutions and public workers generally, prioritizes religious politics by sponsoring hajj heavily with next to no IGR nor GDP growth. Then another state B that actually does all that but based on her ability to generate healthy IGR and grow her GDP so doesnt have to burden the centre. State B is willing to be independently productive but sees that anything A does, the FG funds. Over time B is more likely to relax its independence on FG and start hustling for a bigger portion of the cake the FG is giving to states like A.
Our structure alone kills incentive for productive state units. The system is wired from the top.

RepoMan007:
Huge recurrent wage, subsidy leakages and bogus pay are all orchestrated from that top so the buck goes there also. Saying wage increase will cost X but ignoring the corruption in civil work force is very bad. In a country where we lack motivated health workers and are battling exodus of same, it is very bad if not demonic for the leaders of major political parties to maintain idlers on payroll of Govt across LGA, states and federal level then cry about the consequence of a N10,000 or N30,000 increase. The corruption.perpetuatedand maintained by these top men by keeping such loyal and idle earners is a stumbling block to giving productive health workers a raise. Imagine that.
Same goes too for education. There are many useless lecturers and faculties and even institutions hustling for scarce resources with truly productive minds. They barely know what education entails and how it fits into the overall picture of the society for an eternal man.

Is it right that states can decide to incur expenses and then cry to FG for minimum wage or allocation to cover their expenses. Imagine two states A and B. A recruits far too many unproductive hands into its workforce, maintains so many educational institutions and public workers generally, prioritizes religious politics by sponsoring hajj heavily with next to no IGR nor GDP growth. Then another state B that actually does all that but based on her ability to generate healthy IGR and grow her GDP so doesnt have to burden the centre. State B is willing to be independently productive but sees that anything A does, the FG funds. Over time B is more likely to relax its independence on FG and start hustling for a bigger portion of the cake the FG is giving to states like A.
Our structure alone kills incentive for productive state units. The system is wired from the top.

Many state governors would love to cut down the bloated government payroll but it's considered untouchable.

Touch them and kiss re-election goodbye. Bisi Akande's sack of Osun's state teachers till this day paints him a wolf amongst sheep

Tinubu will go on a mass sack of workers in his second term. He no send. His hands are presently tied until he gets re-elected

grandstar:
Many state governors would love to cut down the bloated government payroll but it's considered untouchable.

Touch them and kiss re-election goodbye. Bisi Akande's sack of Osun's state teachers till this day paints him a wolf amongst sheep

Tinubu will go on a mass sack of workers in his second term. He no send. His hands are presently tied until he gets re-elected

Sacking redundant and idle hand is a good point but what about zero motivation to be productive?

Maybe allocation should be scrapped in place of incentive based intervention to states. Your intervention as a state is tied to what you produce. Give them money to fund industries instead of pretending to be building useless roads and infrastructures and let them repay that money with verifiable goods and services that the FG or regions can consolidate and export on their behalf. According to how productive each region and state is, intervene in their local governance with extra projects and not funds that can be looted.

Any arrangement that allows unconditional allocation to states is designed to tunnel the resources of one region into another fraudulently and is therefore bad.

From what I have seen the states will keep employing in order to grab or lay claim to bigger share of the cake. Can Tinubu sack state workers also?