₦airaland Forum

Welcome, Guest: RegisterLoginWith GoogleTrendingRecentNew

Stats: 3,330,586 members, 8,446,177 topics. Date: Thursday, 16 July 2026 at 08:20 AM

Toggle theme

1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures - Islam (2) - Nairaland

Nairaland ForumNairaland GeneralIslam1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures (11748 Views)

1 2 Reply (Go Down)

Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Calitoscassius(m): 11:01am On Jun 24, 2024
These i guess were the people who stoned the so called Devil grin the Devil probarbly lobbed a massive brick back at them.

Many more to follow...... Next time they would learn not to stone the Devil. grin
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Chetas81(m): 11:02am On Jun 24, 2024
HonNL:
SOURCE
WHAT MAKE YOU LEAVE DEVIL IN YOUR HOUSE AND YOU TRAVEL TO FAR SAUDI ARABIA TO STONE DEVIL IN SAUDI ARABIA, HESSBOLA TALIBAN ALSHABAB ISIS HAMAS, COME TO SAUDI TO STONE DEVIL, NOW THE DEVIL SEND HEATWAVE, YOU GUYS BEGIN TO DIE
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Chetas81(m): 11:11am On Jun 24, 2024
adexosteve:
May Allah receive there souls and grant them eternal rest
Allah have no meaning in your language lol
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Chetas81(m): 11:19am On Jun 24, 2024
Greenfaces:
This matter that appears like a joke to you now will soon become the reason for your greatest fright, regret and pain. Keep it up and enjoy your brief time
you supposed ask yourself, how can someone leave devil in their house and pay millions of money to stone devil in Saudi?
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Goddyrichie(m): 11:20am On Jun 24, 2024
JoeEeL:
I realised that the earliest comments receive the most scrutiny on this nairaland. Anything wey vex moderator, them go comot am o.

So make I compose small and deliver my nugget in a soothing way.

Black people, let's just gather and think a little first. Why are the holy lands you recognise found in Israel and Mecca? Do blacks just exist solely for the purpose of being spectators on earth? When you see the racism and maltreatment by the westerners and arabs against black people, you should realise that it's not always because of the colour of your skin. No.

Instead, it is because of your inferiority complex, and worse, your shamelessness while at it. Don't we have our own villages we are native to? Your Kwale, Ikom or Arochukwu villages that you are native to is the same way Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are villages that Arabs and Israelis are native to. We have our folklores, they to have theirs. To explain, Yorubas have their Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Oya, Esu Laalu, Sango, Sanpanna, Yemoja, Ayelala folklores etc. (Very rich, the Yoruba's folklores I must say). The Igbos have their Amadioha, Chi, Ekwensu foklores etc. It's the same way the Jews have their Moses and Jesus folklores and the Arabs, their Mohammed folklores.

The difference is that they developed their own, and we are letting ours die. They simply wrote books to add authenticity to their version but that does in no way make those things true or superior to ours. What we should have done instead is to canonize ours. I am more than ashamed that at this day and age, the Yorubas have not yet centralised a book that houses our folklores. Why do we blacks always appear slow and disorganised? Remember religion is a tool to control, for influence and power. If you go to church tomorrow and they put anointing oil on your head, that same oil is olive oil. It comes in a bottle. It's imported... all the way from Israel. You are boosting their economy. Cos they've used their religion to rope you in. Their win, your loss.

You go to do pilgrimage in their lands. You spend money there, book hotel reservation there, tour there. You boost their economy. You abandon yours. They sell you a heaven, you boost their economy. And they control you. Their win, your loss. This is why till my last breath will keep advocating for Yorubas to return to their ancient ways. The ways of our ancestors; the ways of Ifa. When I was a teen, like many, I derided those things... thinking it was for illiterate or local people. Now, oju ti si, oju ti la. Ko s'obo n'Idanre mo (Monkey no deh Idanre again o). There is nothing that boosts your ego like preserving your own culture.

Shoutout to people like Tani Olorun, Ifa Sooto, Maiyegun, Adetunji Oosha, all Yoruba nation campaigners (not one of them speaks against yoruba tradition and belief system), Ify Onwubiko, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu, Jonathan (on Radio Biafra), Òmìnira ọmọ Odùduwà, and one beautiful but fairly old but young-looking yoruba woman like that that wears glasses (I cant believe her name has skipped my mind now).
they say u worship satan d whites and d Arabs own we black people brain 🧠 they’re our remote they control us with this religion shit they made us believe our religion is evil but theirs is d pure one since my eyes don open 4 d past 4 years now I stop going to church cuz Nigeria church to me is a scam nothing like love helping each other in Nigeria Christian is all about getting d tithes and offering everyday
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by JoeEeL(m): 11:21am On Jun 24, 2024
Goddyrichie:
they say u worship satan d whites and d Arabs own we black people brain 🧠 they’re our remote they control us with this religion shit they made us believe our religion is evil but theirs is d pure one since my eyes don open 4 d past 4 years now I stop going to church cuz Nigeria church to me is a scam nothing like love helping each other in Nigeria Christian is all about getting d tithes and offering everyday
Bro you are more than correct. You'ave said it all.

We must begin to look from within ourselves.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Bimpe29(m): 11:53am On Jun 24, 2024
Inna lillahi wa inna ilehi rajiun!

Allahumo ighifirillahum war'amhum Aameen.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by vannessa7(f): 12:19pm On Jun 24, 2024
JoeEeL:
I realised that the earliest comments receive the most scrutiny on this nairaland. Anything wey vex moderator, them go comot am o.

So make I compose small and deliver my nugget in a soothing way.

Black people, let's just gather and think a little first. Why are the holy lands you recognise found in Israel and Mecca? Do blacks just exist solely for the purpose of being spectators on earth? When you see the racism and maltreatment by the westerners and arabs against black people, you should realise that it's not always because of the colour of your skin. No.

Instead, it is because of your inferiority complex, and worse, your shamelessness while at it. Don't we have our own villages we are native to? Your Kwale, Ikom or Arochukwu villages that you are native to is the same way Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are villages that Arabs and Israelis are native to. We have our folklores, they to have theirs. To explain, Yorubas have their Oduduwa, Oranmiyan, Oya, Esu Laalu, Sango, Sanpanna, Yemoja, Ayelala folklores etc. (Very rich, the Yoruba's folklores I must say). The Igbos have their Amadioha, Chi, Ekwensu foklores etc. It's the same way the Jews have their Moses and Jesus folklores and the Arabs, their Mohammed folklores.

The difference is that they developed their own, and we are letting ours die. They simply wrote books to add authenticity to their version but that does in no way make those things true or superior to ours. What we should have done instead is to canonize ours. I am more than ashamed that at this day and age, the Yorubas have not yet centralised a book that houses our folklores. Why do we blacks always appear slow and disorganised? Remember religion is a tool to control, for influence and power. If you go to church tomorrow and they put anointing oil on your head, that same oil is olive oil. It comes in a bottle. It's imported... all the way from Israel. You are boosting their economy. Cos they've used their religion to rope you in. Their win, your loss.

You go to do pilgrimage in their lands. You spend money there, book hotel reservation there, tour there. You boost their economy. You abandon yours. They sell you a heaven, you boost their economy. And they control you. Their win, your loss. This is why till my last breath will keep advocating for Yorubas to return to their ancient ways. The ways of our ancestors; the ways of Ifa. When I was a teen, like many, I derided those things... thinking it was for illiterate or local people. Now, oju ti si, oju ti la. Ko s'obo n'Idanre mo (Monkey no deh Idanre again o). There is nothing that boosts your ego like preserving your own culture.

Shoutout to people like Tani Olorun, Ifa Sooto, Maiyegun, Adetunji Oosha, all Yoruba nation campaigners (not one of them speaks against yoruba tradition and belief system), Ify Onwubiko, Mazi Nnamdi Kanu, Jonathan (on Radio Biafra), Òmìnira ọmọ Odùduwà, and one beautiful but fairly old but young-looking yoruba woman like that that wears glasses (I cant believe her name has skipped my mind now). Ipinle Oro. Remembered Yes!.
Hmm, this your write up would have been reasonable and logical if only every nation of people was created by different gods or if there is no God. To us humans we see ourselves different from each other due to many factors such as skin colour, languages, colonization, culture, traditions, locations etc but to the God that made everyone we are same and that was why He selected only few people and sent them to the entire world. He is like the father in a poligamous setting, the father owns all the children and all the children are equal in his sight even though they have different mothers.
God decided to choose Abraham then through whom He sent three religion. God does not have the habit of calling the crowd but calls specific person whom He now send to the crowd. I'm sure God chose Abraham and isrealites then. because apart from the holiness found in him, they were among the 'civilized' and existing people then. I'm very sure Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo did not exist then.
If you agree that there is God who created the heaven and the earth and everything in it then you will realize it is logical and correct to be a Christian, Muslim or judaist. You are still under the same God who still sustains the world. You won't feel you are accepting something that is not applicable to you, you will realize you are doing the right thing because when you die like every other person you will report to the same God that other tribes and nationals will report to, there is no different heaven or hell for Arab , Jews, whites black, Asians etc. we will all go to the same heaven or hell depending on the work of our hands.

Having said that, do you know that some people have a live connection to the spiritual and have confirmed that the Bible and Quran are actually Truth and that worshipping a creature like yourself in any guise will displease your maker?
God does not care if you are not Jew or Arab and will not pardon you for rejecting Him because you are not a biological Abraham descendant because He still owns you.
Some of us have seen Angels, heaven, hell, and have heard the spiritual enough to know that serving any other god beside the Almighty Creator will take you to hell after life.

If you say this is all lies, ask yourself what if it's true?
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by gloryman91(m): 12:48pm On Jun 24, 2024
May Allah forgive them all and grant them Al-Janah Firdawous giving the family fortitude to bear this irreplaceable loss.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by JoeEeL(m): 1:05pm On Jun 24, 2024
vannessa7:
Hmm, this your write up would have been reasonable and logical if only every nation of people was created by different gods or if there is no God. To us humans we see ourselves different from each other due to many factors such as skin colour, languages, colonization, culture, traditions, locations etc but to the God that made everyone we are same and that was why He selected only few people and sent them to the entire world. He is like the father in a poligamous setting, the father owns all the children and all the children are equal in his sight even though they have different mothers.
God decided to choose Abraham then through whom He sent three religion. God does not have the habit of calling the crowd but calls specific person whom He now send to the crowd. I'm sure God chose Abraham and isrealites then. because apart from the holiness found in him, they were among the 'civilized' and existing people then. I'm very sure Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo did not exist then.
If you agree that there is God who created the heaven and the earth and everything in it then you will realize it is logical and correct to be a Christian, Muslim or judaist. You are still under the same God who still sustains the world. You won't feel you are accepting something that is not applicable to you, you will realize you are doing the right thing because when you die like every other person you will report to the same God that other tribes and nationals will report to, there is no different heaven or hell for Arab , Jews, whites black, Asians etc. we will all go to the same heaven or hell depending on the work of our hands.

Having said that, do you know that some people have a live connection to the spiritual and have confirmed that the Bible and Quran are actually Truth and that worshipping a creature like yourself in any guise will displease your maker?
God does not care if you are not Jew or Arab and will not pardon you for rejecting Him because you are not a biological Abraham descendant because He still owns you.
Some of us have seen Angels, heaven, hell, and have heard the spiritual enough to know that serving any other god beside the Almighty Creator will take you to hell after life.

If you say this is all lies, ask yourself what if it's true?
I carefully read through your writeup, and without bias. *Sigh*, where do I start from?

Okay okay. Most archaeologists, by way of extensive research, agree that human life began in Africa. As a matter of fact, many of them deem this as nearly incontrovertible. For you to so boldly say that you are very sure Yoruba, Igbo and hausa did not exist then seriously makes me shudder. Human species originated in Africa and spread across to other parts of the world. Yorubas... in fact, africans are the first human specie variety. So yes, we existed before Israel. This may very likely be at odds with what you learnt in your book (bible). That we very likely existed before Israel should already set the alarm bells ringing that most of what you believe from that book, from the creation story and all that to believing you are a descendant of abram etc. are very much disputable.

Also I cant help but detect that typical inferiority complex of a black man that would justify anything that will place him under the wings of a foreigner. I dont just get some of you. You're just saying, "God said", "God said"... If I ask you now, where did God say? Next thing is to point me to a book, a bible. Why should I believe that as source of authority? A mere canonization of ancient texts when societies tried to govern themselves and mixed religion with law? Is that what you want me to take as source of truth? C'mon cut that crap and snap out of it!

I could and will for a fact, tell you "God said / IFA said", "God said / IFA said"... would you believe theirs over mine or mine over theirs? If not why? Simple. 3 reasons: because theirs was written as a book, you were brainwashed from birth, and finally the crowd mentality. You grew up seeing many people around you doing it so you just assumed it must be correct. It's environmental impact. So many people cannot just be wrong you'd say. You didnt verbalise it, your mind subconsciously internalised it. And you and your mind were misled. Simple and short.

In fact, your thinking needs serious adjustment and iron-bending. grin Where did God send 3 religions of which I presume (Judaism, xtianity and islam). See the way you mention it as if it all started at the same time. Judaism had been the culture of the Israelites for a long time and xtianity succeeded it. And after many years Islam did. You leave so many religions out of this. Where will you put hinduism? Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, ancient egypt religions, Ifa, Satsana, hammurabi worship, Ra worship and a variety of so-called "pagan" worship and beliefs? You are just a product of colonialism. Say China forms nigeria instead of britain and imposed their religion on your forefathers, today you'd be writing in Mandarin and telling me how God sent Buddha.

Finally, truth is relative. If you say people find truth in quran and bible, fair enough. So also is truth in Ifa, Orunmila, Buddhism, Taoism. In the end truth is relative. There are actually alot of good and reasonable things someone can extract from either book you mentioned though. But that doesn't make it real or from God. It's just common sense.

Lastly, if God does not care if I'm Jew or Arab, then let the Jews and arabs line up behind my own Gods of my own lands. Why must I be the one to line up behind their own yahweh or allahu. I will never be subservient to them or their gods. Q.E.D.

Oh, and did you say you've seen angels? Were they on robes, did they have crown on their hair, were they emitting bright lights? If neither of this, I can surely tell that they looked more of a white than they looked like you a black woman. Come off that brainwashing, Miss/ Mrs.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Kingrshd3: 2:10pm On Jun 24, 2024
Greenfaces:
Everyone will die someday.
Infact to put this into perspective, if you're up to 30 years, there is less than 80% chance that you will know the name of the 6th president to rule Nigeria after tinubu, if all of them do 8 years complete. The life expectancy now is somewhere around 60years. These days it hardly even gets to 60. That's how close it actually is.
Funny but truth
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Kingrshd3: 2:12pm On Jun 24, 2024
batrhian:
God grant them paradise
Paradise or hell for dieing in somebodys country and dieying without having Jesus Christ 🤣.

My brother people do die yearly in that place u called holy land so are u telling me the Allah are using hem for sacrifice yearly ?

Or how can Allah allow his people or creatures to die like foul yearly and u expect such to enter heaven 😆😆😆
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Greenfaces: 2:25pm On Jun 24, 2024
Chetas81:
you supposed ask yourself, how can someone leave devil in their house and pay millions of money to stone devil in Saudi?
This is an culture we are talking about here. You do not know or understand everything. Leave alone things that do not concern you and face the ones thst concern you, because verily, your own challenges will not leave you alone just because you are busy paying attention to other people's own
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Chetas81(m): 3:28pm On Jun 24, 2024
Greenfaces:
This is an culture we are talking about here. You do not know or understand everything. Leave alone things that do not concern you and face the ones thst concern you, because verily, your own challenges will not leave you alone just because you are busy paying attention to other people's own
culture values culture
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by mamaafrik(m): 3:56pm On Jun 24, 2024
Babatunde45:
As-salamu Alaykum, Mu’minina wal Mu’minat
Good morning, my daddies, mothers, brothers, and sisters in Islam.

Please, I need your help Sir/Ma.

My name is Tunde. I am 32 yrs old and an O-Level holder. I had a car accident last year, lost my job, and became jobless for months.

I'm begging everyone in the name of Almighty Allah. Please help me; I am seriously hungry. The last time I ate was Saturday evening, and it was my remaining garri that I drank. I have not eaten any other food since Saturday evening other than the water that I have been drinking to gain some strength. I can no longer endure the hunger; my body is starting to shake. Please, my people, I am really sorry for begging, but it is just that I am starving to death. Please, someone should help me with something to eat, no matter the amount. I don't mind. I will always appreciate you. I am starving. I know things are very hard these days. Anything you have to spare, I would really appreciate.

I live at No 29, Kajola Street, Bode.Olude, Ita.Elega, Abeokuta, Ogun State.

If you live near me, please invite me for lunch; I am beginning to feel pain in my stomach. May you never lack the good things in life. I'm begging you in the name of Almighty Allah, Please have mercy on me and help me.

My phone number is 0 8 1 7 1 8 5 1 8 8 8

Please help me with any amount, #1000 will do a lot for me at this time.

Please, my bank details are:

Access Bank PLC
0 0 2 4 8 6 9 3 2 3
My name is Tunde

May Allah Subhanna Wataala continue to bless you and your family. Ameen

I want to sell my Tecno Pop 6.

Price: 40k
Location: Abeokuta
Call: 0 8 1 7 1 8 5 1 8 8 8

Please buy my phone. I need to buy food, I am beginning to feel pain in my stomach.
You are using a phone that cannot be verified.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by billyG(m): 4:08pm On Jun 24, 2024
It beats how a primitive sheepherder living on sheep milk & bread & dwells in a tent in d scorching desert sun can have d ability to scam more than a billion half-witted people on earth?
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by MrBanner(m): 4:14pm On Jun 24, 2024
mamaafrik:
You are using a phone that cannot be verified.
That guy is a verified scammer, don't send any money to him
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by vannessa7(f): 4:41pm On Jun 24, 2024
JoeEeL:
I carefully read through your writeup, and without bias. *Sigh*, where do I start from?

Okay okay. Most archaeologists, by way of extensive research, agree that human life began in Africa. As a matter of fact, many of them deem this as nearly incontrovertible. For you to so boldly say that you are very sure Yoruba, Igbo and hausa did not exist then seriously makes me shudder. Human species originated in Africa and spread across to other parts of the world. Yorubas... in fact, africans are the first human specie variety. So yes, we existed before Israel. This may very likely be at odds with what you learnt in your book (bible). That we very likely existed before Israel should already set the alarm bells ringing that most of what you believe from that book, from the creation story and all that to believing you are a descendant of abram etc. are very much disputable.

Also I cant help but detect that typical inferiority complex of a black man that would justify anything that will place him under the wings of a foreigner. I dont just get some of you. You're just saying, "God said", "God said"... If I ask you now, where did God say? Next thing is to point me to a book, a bible. Why should I believe that as source of authority? A mere canonization of ancient texts when societies tried to govern themselves and mixed religion with law? Is that what you want me to take as source of truth? C'mon cut that crap and snap out of it!

I could and will for a fact, tell you "God said / IFA said", "God said / IFA said"... would you believe theirs over mine or mine over theirs? If not why? Simple. 3 reasons: because theirs was written as a book, you were brainwashed from birth, and finally the crowd mentality. You grew up seeing many people around you doing it so you just assumed it must be correct. It's environmental impact. So many people cannot just be wrong you'd say. You didnt verbalise it, your mind subconsciously internalised it. And you and your mind were misled. Simple and short.

In fact, your thinking needs serious adjustment and iron-bending. grin Where did God send 3 religions of which I presume (Judaism, xtianity and islam). See the way you mention it as if it all started at the same time. Judaism had been the culture of the Israelites for a long time and xtianity succeeded it. And after many years Islam did. You leave so many religions out of this. Where will you put hinduism? Taoism, Confucianism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, ancient egypt religions, Ifa, Satsana, hammurabi worship, Ra worship and a variety of so-called "pagan" worship and beliefs? You are just a product of colonialism. Say China forms nigeria instead of britain and imposed their religion on your forefathers, today you'd be writing in Mandarin and telling me how God sent Buddha.

Finally, truth is relative. If you say people find truth in quran and bible, fair enough. So also is truth in Ifa, Orunmila, Buddhism, Taoism. In the end truth is relative. There are actually alot of good and reasonable things someone can extract from either book you mentioned though. But that doesn't make it real or from God. It's just common sense.

Lastly, if God does not care if I'm Jew or Arab, then let the Jews and arabs line up behind my own Gods of my own lands. Why must I be the one to line up behind their own yahweh or allahu. I will never be subservient to them or their gods. Q.E.D.

Oh, and did you say you've seen angels? Were they on robes, did they have crown on their hair, were they emitting bright lights? If neither of this, I can surely tell that they looked more of a white than they looked like you a black woman. Come off that brainwashing, Miss/ Mrs.
My write up is not based on unproven theoretics but personal experience. Do you know that there are some people who still retain a bit of the memory of heaven who still remembers how it was before they were born and who still regularly communicates with heaven because they are servants of God by birth. Ifa, Buddha etc that you mentioned are all creatures of God who if they can talk will still tell you there is a power beyond them.
I'm very much aware of the chronological order of the Abrahamic religion, the difference between the books of other religions and the books of the Abrahamic religion is the power inherent in the latter which is very absent in the former. The books of God made known the mind of God and made it clear that worshipping those other gods which were actually created by God is not allowed, moreover the Buddha etc has no heaven to take their followers to and none of them has or can create anything. The Quran said we should ask them what they created.

Lest I forget, I am a geographer so I'm well aware of the archaeological findings and all. But logically you will realize that ancient civilizations such as Egypt and environ was being referred to. Even as recent as 200 years ago most part of the area we call Nigeria was still in the bush.

And by the way, Angels are transparent like crystal glass, I know they can decide to appear in human form but their original form is like crystal but with human shape and large wings, I have seen hundreds of them and even spoken to one. I just want you to know there are some people who the spiritual is their reality. I can confirm to you that those serving idols called ifa, Buddha etc will spend eternity in hell fire if they don't repent. And all evil people. Not remembering your maker while in this world is a great wickedness against Him. There is nothing like differences when it comes to God. He is one and created all. He allowed His books to be written so the entire world will come to know Him.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by mamaafrik(m): 5:07pm On Jun 24, 2024
MrBanner:
That guy is a verified scammer, don't send any money to him
OK.

Thanks for this
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by BigBizzy(m): 8:19am On Jun 25, 2024
Serves them right....I feel no pity.

Be staying in your country.

God is everywhere
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by JoeEeL(m): 1:42pm On Jun 25, 2024
vannessa7:
My write up is not based on unproven theoretics but personal experience. Do you know that there are some people who still retain a bit of the memory of heaven who still remembers how it was before they were born and who still regularly communicates with heaven because they are servants of God by birth. Ifa, Buddha etc that you mentioned are all creatures of God who if they can talk will still tell you there is a power beyond them.
I'm very much aware of the chronological order of the Abrahamic religion, the difference between the books of other religions and the books of the Abrahamic religion is the power inherent in the latter which is very absent in the former. The books of God made known the mind of God and made it clear that worshipping those other gods which were actually created by God is not allowed, moreover the Buddha etc has no heaven to take their followers to and none of them has or can create anything. The Quran said we should ask them what they created.

Lest I forget, I am a geographer so I'm well aware of the archaeological findings and all. But logically you will realize that ancient civilizations such as Egypt and environ was being referred to. Even as recent as 200 years ago most part of the area we call Nigeria was still in the bush.

And by the way, Angels are transparent like crystal glass, I know they can decide to appear in human form but their original form is like crystal but with human shape and large wings, I have seen hundreds of them and even spoken to one. I just want you to know there are some people who the spiritual is their reality. I can confirm to you that those serving idols called ifa, Buddha etc will spend eternity in hell fire if they don't repent. And all evil people. Not remembering your maker while in this world is a great wickedness against Him. There is nothing like differences when it comes to God. He is one and created all. He allowed His books to be written so the entire world will come to know Him.
So if most parts of Nigeria was bushy, what exactly is your point? Does that means humans didn't exist because the areas were bushy? What kind of reasoning is this though? Ancient men were mostly cavemen and hunters and gatherers... They didn't build any modern civilisation but wandered and foraged.

If you say you see angels, hope you know there are others who see unicorns, others see flying horses, alicorns, dragons, goblins, ghouls? And how do you see them? If it's via a dream, then anyone can dream anything. If you say you spoke with one, did you speak inside a dream cos if so, anyone can talk to anyone in a dream.

But if it's live, then where is your proof? If you do not have a video recording or at the very least, an audio recording, then you and your angel are quite a disappointment.

If you call Ifa idol, then your jesus is a mere human sculpture. And if you say others would go to hell for not believing your jesus human sculpture then congratulations! Because you are also going to hell in another person's religion.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by Nobody: 1:59pm On Jun 25, 2024
Greenfaces:
its not a joke bro. These things are serious. If you don't believe them at least keep quiet about them. Leave them alone. Because when it backfires there will be no going back. You don't know God bit He knows you. Let that sink
How come you don't wear this perspective when talking about Christianity?
What's really the offense?

Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by vannessa7(f): 10:50am On Jun 26, 2024
JoeEeL:
So if most parts of Nigeria was bushy, what exactly is your point? Does that means humans didn't exist because the areas were bushy? What kind of reasoning is this though? Ancient men were mostly cavemen and hunters and gatherers... They didn't build any modern civilisation but wandered and foraged.

If you say you see angels, hope you know there are others who see unicorns, others see flying horses, alicorns, dragons, goblins, ghouls? And how do you see them? If it's via a dream, then anyone can dream anything. If you say you spoke with one, did you speak inside a dream cos if so, anyone can talk to anyone in a dream.

But if it's live, then where is your proof? If you do not have a video recording or at the very least, an audio recording, then you and your angel are quite a disappointment.

If you call Ifa idol, then your jesus is a mere human sculpture. And if you say others would go to hell for not believing your jesus human sculpture then congratulations! Because you are also going to hell in another person's religion.
I am a Muslim
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by JoeEeL(m): 1:49pm On Jun 26, 2024
vannessa7:
I am a Muslim
Okay, thanks for letting me know but still doesn't negate my points.

You are only a muslim because somewhere along the line, either you or your parents / ancestors bowed to the superiority of the arabs.

That is just the long and short of the whole matter, whether you admit or not.
Re: 1300 Pilgrims Die At Hajj Pilgrimage Amid Scorching Temperatures by vannessa7(f): 3:16pm On Jun 26, 2024
JoeEeL:
Okay, thanks for letting me know but still doesn't negate my points.

You are only a muslim because somewhere along the line, either you or your parents / ancestors bowed to the superiority of the arabs

That is just the long and short of the whole matter, whether you admit or not.
Actually no, at the bolded, why don't you read my convertion story under my profile here in nairaland.
The danger with this line of thought you have is that by the time life throws you a curve which money and idols cannot handle you will suddenly believe in the Almighty Creator but it may be too late because it takes experience gathered from walking with Him for a while to know how to connect to His power and receive His help fast at that crucial moment.
1 2 Reply

At Least 550 Muslims Die At Hajj - As Temperatures At Mecca Hit 51.8CSocial Distancing During Hajj Pilgrimage. Number Reduced From 2 Million To 1,000Nine Nigerian Pilgrims Die In Saudi Arabia234

Ramadan Countdown: Are You Ready?Is It Obligatory To Inform A Suitor Of A Possible Health Problem?Commonest Errors Usually Made On Salaat