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Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:20pm On Jun 25, 2024
jaephoenix:
Since he is outside the thing, how did u know about him and his characteristics
By revelation. He revealed Himself.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:20pm On Jun 25, 2024
jaephoenix:
Answer his question
What question?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:26pm On Jun 25, 2024
jaephoenix:
Oga simply explain why those people still died despite prophecy saying they won't. Don't pretend you don't understand English
I don't think you are conversant with biblical language. What Jesus was saying here was not a prophecy per se. I wonder why you people make up your mind to take things out of context.

If Adeboye says, 'I will eat pounded yam tomorrow ' , it has become a prophecy.


What happened next has explained or fulfilled the 'prophecy'
Okay, what do you think is the relevance of the story,if the writer was not passing across the same thought?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:43pm On Jun 25, 2024
jaephoenix:
Which biblical prophesies did not come true?
The Bible contains a number of prophecies that never came true, although it is usually possible to reinterpret them to refer to other events. Here are failed prophecies from the Old Testament and a failed prophecy from the New Testament:

Ezekiel prophesied two separate outcomes for Egypt, total desolation or occupation by Babylon, but neither actually occurred:
Ezekiel 29:12: And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries.

Ezekiel 29:19: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will give the land of Egypt unto Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon; and he shall take her multitude, and take her spoil, and take her prey; and it shall be the wages for his army.
Note the bolded. You have pointed out one possible reason why the prophecy may not come through. Another reason is that prophecies are a times information to work with. If you pray about it like Nineveh in the book of Jonah. Things can change.

If you studied prophecies very well, you would discover that Egypt could mean all that came out of it.

another thing is that the prophecy of Ezekiel was not actually written in his time. It was later collated after his death. During transcribing, there could be errors.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:48pm On Jun 25, 2024
jaephoenix:
Yet the Bible says greater deeds wople that uld be done by the future generations. Yhe peot those future generations cannot prophesize or do miracles? It even looks like your god went on holiday after the Bible was written
You are right. It is the people that were on holiday. It happens like that and when people wake up, they call it revival.
Think about Asuza street revival of the 1800s . Think about Oke Oye revival of Apostle Ayọ Babalola in the 1930s. Think about Paul Yonggi Cho in South Korea of early 1990s. Things happen from time to time.


It has ever being like that.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by StillDtruth: 6:28pm On Jun 25, 2024
Re: Re - There Is No God. by StillDtruth: 6:31pm On Jun 25, 2024
jaephoenix:
There he does. The dvmmy once again doesn't disappoint
Here comes the fool again, proving yet again that there is nothing he could say! What a fool!
Re: Re - There Is No God. by Wilgrea7(m): 7:34pm On Jun 25, 2024
So my initial input was that after reading the bible, I failed to see any proofs for the existence of the god described in it. And you response was that the people who wrote the books that constituted the bible wrote about said god without knowing him. Like that's it?

Nonetheless, I will oblige.

SIRTee15:
Now different prophets said and wrote the same thing about a deity over a span of thousand years.
When you say the "same thing", what exactly do you mean by that??

Also, are you taking into account the fact that when people write about a religious theme that has been passed down through generations, it's bound to sound similar?


They all keep talking about a coming messiah that they themselves never saw but knew about him.
X for doubt. Also.. you do know that this proves nothing special right? Humans have always found it easier to leave their rescuing, or as you'd like to call it "salvation" up to some other external factor. The idea of a savior has permeated different religions. It says absolutely nothing about the truthfulness of their claims.

The interesting thing is some of them didnt even had a knowledge of previous prophets but they still prophesied same thing about God. no deviation or contradiction.
You're going to need to expand on this.

eventually what they said or wrote was compiled and the similarity in what they wrote and of the coming messiah is the proof they actually heard from God.
I believe my point above has addressed this.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:10pm On Jun 26, 2024
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:13pm On Jun 26, 2024
HellVictorinho6:
4get these things

Although av doubted the existence of god severally due 2 disappointments,dissatisfactions and devastations, i dont always find other skeptics or atheists more reasonable in this case.

The manner in which most express their i dont bliv is often something i find repulsive.


Itz often as if every believer is suffering as a result of their belief , as if atheists are better organized ,as if so many other nonsense.


Am not even expecting a change


I have seen more reasons 2 keep my doubts or issues with anything god 2 myself than to consider more baseless arguments/debates


Life is crazy
I don't understand. So because an atheist was rude or arrogant, that means his belief is wrong?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:14pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
By revelation. He revealed Himself.
Through what? A book that has been found to be filled with lies and errors?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:15pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
What question?
The folks that were said would be alive till Jesus returns. Why are they dead
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:16pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
I don't think you are conversant with biblical language. What Jesus was saying here was not a prophecy per se. I wonder why you people make up your mind to take things out of context.

If Adeboye says, 'I will eat pounded yam tomorrow ' , it has become a prophecy.


What happened next has explained or fulfilled the 'prophecy'
Okay, what do you think is the relevance of the story,if the writer was not passing across the same thought?
How is it taken out of context
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:43pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
Note the bolded. You have pointed out one possible reason why the prophecy may not come through. Another reason is that prophecies are a times information to work with. If you pray about it like Nineveh in the book of Jonah. Things can change.

If you studied prophecies very well, you would discover that Egypt could mean all that came out of it.

another thing is that the prophecy of Ezekiel was not actually written in his time. It was later collated after his death. During transcribing, there could be errors.
Obviously you don't know what a prophesy is. Please refer to your dictionary, then revert
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:44pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
You are right. It is the people that were on holiday. It happens like that and when people wake up, they call it revival.
Think about Asuza street revival of the 1800s . Think about Oke Oye revival of Apostle Ayọ Babalola in the 1930s. Think about Paul Yonggi Cho in South Korea of early 1990s. Things happen from time to time.


It has ever being like that.
What are you babbling about?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 1:45pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
What are you babbling about?
Are you a Christian?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 1:46pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
Obviously you don't know what a prophesy is. Please refer to your dictionary, then revert
Please tell me
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 1:47pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
The folks that were said would be alive till Jesus returns. Why are they dead
They are dead, yet the prophecy was fulfilled.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 1:48pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
Through what? A book that has been found to be filled with lies and errors?
He didn't reveal Himself to books, but human beings who wrote the books.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:49pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
Are you a Christian?
Nope. Yahweh forbid! I swerved that rubbish grin
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:50pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
Please tell me
Prophesy
say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.
"Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest"

A prophesy is saying what would happen in the future. So anything else is not a prophesy
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 1:50pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
Nope. Yahweh forbid! I swerved that rubbish grin
You don't have any say in the topic then.

Stay clear.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 1:51pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
Prophesy
say that (a specified thing) will happen in the future.
"Jacques was prophesying a bumper harvest"

A prophesy is saying what would happen in the future. So anything else is not a prophesy
Since you are not a Christian, no comment.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:52pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
They are dead, yet the prophecy was fulfilled.
1.The prophesy said that THEY WOULD BE ALIVE.
2. How was the prophesy fulfilled?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:54pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
He didn't reveal Himself to books, but human beings who wrote the books.
So how else are the human beings supposed to communicate the wishes of the god if not through books? Isn't the god all knowing? How come he didn't know the book would be a total mess? By the way, why would an omniscient and omnipotent being express himself through a book so flawed? Couldn't he have done better?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:57pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
You don't have any say in the topic then.

Stay clear.
Lol. I been here before. Christians tell you one rubbish, when u ask them questions about it, they tell either tell you that you need the Holy Spirit or u don't have a say. So u r saying that before I become a Christian I need this holy spirit to interpret stuff? So Muslims/atheists etc need Holy spirit to understand the gibberish in the Bible?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by jaephoenix(m): 1:58pm On Jun 26, 2024
MightySparrow:
Since you are not a Christian, no comment.
Exactly. The cop-out
I see you sometimes harassing muslims and opening threads about them. Did you become a Muslim before debating with them? Lol cheesy
Re: Re - There Is No God. by HellVictorinho6(m):
jaephoenix:
I don't understand. So because an atheist was rude or arrogant, that means his belief is wrong?
It makes the atheism questionable at least.


Like if u cant or dont bliv in god, y bliv in this or that either?


Or deny that u bliv in sum other whatever?


If certain black atheists can worship white people,deny such act,then call me a lunatic 4 blasting them,then i have no reason 2 celebrate my i dont bliv.


It means whatever made me doubt god has been worsened by such african/black atheists.



Itz like a dilenma.

Or maybe debacle.


Maybe the solution is 2 redefine the term god.


But one of those insensitive african atheists kept shouting YOU DONT OWN THE WORD

you cant consider another meaning


but he actually lost the language argument by calling me UNFORTUNATE SLAVE

Which is a title ,not a name.

u dont use a title when calling sumone except it can also be used as a name or nickname

so using unfortunate slave that way means he was accepting the correctness of using a word as both a title and a name.




Am not saying itz my title

Point is he was saying god is a title

Then i said itz used as a name TOO



Whatever the case


god arguments are worthless



ur atheism can be inconsequential and useless

just as ur theism


people die even at 20 years no mata how they demonstrate these things


if u think god doesnt exist, keep it to yasef except u are asked and theres need 2 answer.

or except u are being asked 2 do what u dont want 2 do or being asked 2 accept what has been proven 2 be deadly in the name of theism.

in such scenario, u dont av 2 also attack people not at fault 4 being theists in whatever manner.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:17pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
Exactly. The cop-out
I see you sometimes harassing muslims and opening threads about them. Did you become a Muslim before debating with them? Lol cheesy
Are you Muslim then?
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:19pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
Lol. I been here before. Christians tell you one rubbish, when u ask them questions about it, they tell either tell you that you need the Holy Spirit or u don't have a say. So u r saying that before I become a Christian I need this holy spirit to interpret stuff? So Muslims/atheists etc need Holy spirit to understand the gibberish in the Bible?
Mark.4.11 - And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:22pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
So how else are the human beings supposed to communicate the wishes of the god if not through books? Isn't the god all knowing? How come he didn't know the book would be a total mess? By the way, why would an omniscient and omnipotent being express himself through a book so flawed? Couldn't he have done better?
I don't see any flaws in the Bible.If you see any, maybe with flawed eyes.

Titus.1.15 - Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Re: Re - There Is No God. by MightySparrow: 4:24pm On Jun 26, 2024
jaephoenix:
1.The prophesy said that THEY WOULD BE ALIVE.
2. How was the prophesy fulfilled?
The next verse or chapter talks about the fulfillment.
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