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If you must make heaven, you must be born again and walk in the light of God's word. And you are born again the very moment you believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and confess him as your Lord and Saviour- Romans 10:9-10.

So, its important to be born again. However, the journey to heaven doesn't stop at being born again. You must walk in the light of God's word now that you are saved otherwise heaven will elude you.

There are so many Christians who are born again but do not walk in the light of God's word. Some have the wrong teaching of eternal security. There is no such thing.

Highlighted below are some of the reasons some born again believers will not make heaven;

1. No Brotherly Love
2. Lukewarmness
3. Unfruifullness
4. Habitual Abstinence from Church Services and Lateness to Church.
5. Unforgiven.
6. Evil Speaking and Slander
7. Causing Division in Church

The list is not exhaustive. I will begin to explain the highlighted points one by one.

1. No Brotherly Love.
Our Lord Jesus gave us a new commandment of love which says;

John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

So, you are known as a disciple of Jesus not because you sing in the choir. Not because you can raise the dead. Not because you preach the gospel. But because you show love to your brethren in Christ.

John the beloved made this message clearer when he said;

1 John 4:7-8.
7. Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Notice the passage above says that anyone who doesn't love his brethren does not know God.

How do we demonstrate love to the brethren? There are many ways but the real acid test of your love towards the brethren is giving to their needs.

This is why John also wrote;

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

This brings to mind the parable of the sheep and goat given by our Lord Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46.

The sheep are the ones who cared enough to feed the hungry brethren, clothes the naked and visited the sick. The goats are the ones who refuse to do the above. They have so much money but they don't care about the needy brethren. Jesus will tell them;

Matthew 25:41  ....Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Which side will you be on that day? The side of the sheep or the goats? The choice is yours. There is no such thing as onced saved, forever saved. You don't have to know the person from Adam. The parable of the good Samaritan is an example that buttresses my point. Even the scripture says;

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

The church needs a revival of love for the brethren. When last did churches raise hugs amounts of money to help the poor. We have all kind of givings but hardly any of is directed to help the poor.

We have wealthy brethren who give hugs amounts of money for projects and programmes in church but hardly helps these in need in church. Such people are not walking in love. Thus, John wrote;

1 John 4:20-21.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

2. Lukewarmness.

Lukewarmness simply means lack of zeal or enthusiasm for the things of God.

These are believers who say they are born again and their claim could be true. But they don't serve God with zeal. They are not consistent in church. When they manage to come, they must come late. You call for evangelism, they don't participate. They don't belong to any activity department in church. Even their personal prayer life is nothing to write about. The scripture says;

Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Jesus hates Lukewarmness. Its better you were not born again than to claim you are but lukewarm. This is why he rebuked the church of the Laodiceans saying;

Revelations 3:15-17.
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

When Jesus spue you out of his mouth, you are lost forever.

Don't be a Lukewarm believer. Serve the Lord with zeal. Just as the scripture says;

Romans 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord

Ken4Christ:
If

1. No Brotherly Love
2. Lukewarmness
3. Unfruifullness
4. Habitual Abstinence from Church Services and Lateness to Church.
5. Unforgiven.
6. Evil Speaking and Slander
7. Causing Division in Church

The list is not exhaustive. I will begin to explain the highlighted points one by one.

This is rubbish!

No one is born again if he does not have these!

Modified!

Infact only number 1,2 and 6 are valid. The rest is complete rubbish.

Ken4Christ:
If you must make heaven, you must be born again and walk in the light of God's word. And you are born again the very moment you believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus and confess him as your Lord and Saviour- Romans 10:9-10.

So, its important to be born again. However, the journey to heaven doesn't stop at being born again. You must walk in the light of God's word now that you are saved otherwise heaven will elude you.

There are so many Christians who are born again but do not walk in the light of God's word. Some have the wrong teaching of eternal security. There is no such thing.

Highlighted below are some of the reasons some born again believers will not make heaven;

1. No Brotherly Love
2. Lukewarmness
3. Unfruifullness
4. Habitual Abstinence from Church Services and Lateness to Church.
5. Unforgiven.
6. Evil Speaking and Slander
7. Causing Division in Church

The list is not exhaustive. I will begin to explain the highlighted points one by one.

It is a contradiction to say a born again believer may end up in hell.
Don't just type with emotions you have to provide proof from scriptures
Jesus said he will never lose his sheep, his sheep hear his voice and Will not follow another, he says he gives his sheep eternal life and they will never perish, he did not say they may never perish but that they will never perish.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


John further said that he that is born of God sinneth not.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The very definition of a born again already mean they are eternally secured.

Steep:
It is a contradiction to say a born again believer may end up in hell.
Don't just type with emotions you have to provide proof from scriptures
Jesus said he will never lose his sheep, his sheep hear his voice and Will not follow another, he says he gives his sheep eternal life and they will never perish, he did not say they may never perish but that they will never perish.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


John further said that he that is born of God sinneth not.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The very definition of a born again already mean they are eternally secured.

So anybody that does not follow Jesus leading/ abide in his doctrine is not a sheep of christ and hence is not saved.

While Young Americans and Europeans are busy inventing life changing inventions, discussing human cloning and head transplant Africans are still discussing helll and heaven that doesn't even exist.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTZ2N-HJbwA?si=N6HedhP9tTNsoW-f

Steep:
It is a contradiction to say a born again believer may end up in hell.
Don't just type with emotions you have to provide proof from scriptures
Jesus said he will never lose his sheep, his sheep hear his voice and Will not follow another, he says he gives his sheep eternal life and they will never perish, he did not say they may never perish but that they will never perish.

John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


John further said that he that is born of God sinneth not.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

The very definition of a born again already mean they are eternally secured.

Thank God this message attracted people like you.

Don't quote only the part of the scripture that supports your pre conceived opinions. Learn to deal with all scriptures related to the subject.

The same book you quoted from said;

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Who is the us? John didn't write the letter to the people of the world. He wrote to the church.

Even the scripture which says, My sheep hear my voice..... What about those who are not hearing his voice? Ate they still his sheep.

When you don't follow his word, you don't hear his voice because his voice is in his word.

If there is permanent salvation for believers, you won't hear admonition like, Take heed, less you fall.

The scripture says;

Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

If its not possible for the believer to be rejected, you won't hear such warnings.

Another scripture says;

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

To depart from the faith means you were in the faith or saved.

What about the letter Jesus wrote to the 7 churches in Asia minor? What did he say to the Laodiceans church?

I could quote many more scriptures to buttress my point.

Even Apostle Paul said he put his body under subject less he be disqualified or cast away.

Jesus also talks about what happens to branches in him that are unfruitful.

Please, go back and read your Bible Chapter by chapter and verse by verse. Don't lift just a few verses to support your message of eternal security and ignore many more that says otherwise. I weep for the church.

StillDtruth:
This is rubbish!

No one is born again if he does not have these!

You don't have all. OK, please can you help me right now? I am in need. I am not poor but I have a need. Can you please help? 5k will help. You are not under obligation if you don't have it. But if you have it and refuse to give, you have sinned. Waiting for your response.

StillDtruth:
This is rubbish!

No one is born again if he does not have these!

You are a baby in Christ. You see a congregation of say 500 members. 90% might come to church on Sunday. But less than 20% comes for weekly activities. What happened to the rest? The church is lukewarm. We need a revival.

Ken4Christ:
You are a baby in Christ. You see a congregation of say 500 members. 90% might come to church on Sunday. But less than 20% comes for weekly activities. What happened to the rest? The church is lukewarm. We need a revival.

Off Point!

You spoke rubbish No one is born again if he does not have those qualities as stated by the bible.

So your own BORN AGAIN people are still with such low sensitivity?

If i say you don't know the meaning of "BORN AGAIN" you will start calling names.

If you're not stupid a BORN AGAIN Christian is one born of the spirit {John 3:5} they are in the front when talking about holiness in our midst we fear them because their actions is judging us that we supposed to be their subjects while they rule over us. Revelations 20:5-6

In fact we are sometimes scared seeing how they do everything as if they're no longer humans like us, the spirit of God dwells in them and they have put all material things behind them it's like they're living in another world as we perceive them in our midst.
That's why you can never ever see a former JW who will tell you he is associating with any other religion/church because we are 100% certain that there is no born again Christian outside Jehovah's Witnesses organization and they are the ones we are saying this to:

“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” Zechariah 8:23

So my guy you don't know what it means to be a BORN AGAIN Christian!

Ken4Christ:
You don't have all. OK, please can you help me right now? I am in need. I am not poor but I have a need. Can you please help? 5k will help. You are not under obligation if you don't have it. But if you have it and refuse to give, you have sinned. Waiting for your response.

Off point!

You did not make this post to ask for urgent 5k. So you dug a pit for me to fall, and it is the wicked who dig pits for another to fall, therefore you are a very wicked person and not a christian at all and you already know that people like you shall burn forever in God's Wrath!

MaxInDHouse:
So your own BORN AGAIN people are still with such low sensitivity?

If i say you don't know the meaning of "BORN AGAIN" you will start calling names.

If you're not stupid a BORN AGAIN Christian is one born of the spirit {John 3:5} they are in the front when talking about holiness in our midst we fear them because their actions is judging us that we supposed to be their subjects while they rule over us. Revelations 20:5-6

In fact we are sometimes scared seeing how they do everything as if they're no longer humans like us, the spirit of God dwells in them and they have put all material things behind them it's like they're living in another world as we perceive them in our midst.
That's why you can never ever see a former JW who will tell you he is associating with any other religion/church because we are 100% certain that there is no born again Christian outside Jehovah's Witnesses organization and they are the ones we are saying this to:

“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” Zechariah 8:23

So my guy you don't know what it means to be a BORN AGAIN Christian!

So those born again in Cornelius house, Corinth, Ephesia are not born agains because they were not jws?

See how mad you are not to talk about your mad self praise, yet you say you are born again!

StillDtruth:
So those born again in Cornelius house, Corinth, Ephesia are not born agains because they were not jws?

That's the name the true God called his faithful worshipers in the endtime:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

StillDtruth:
See how mad you are not to talk about your mad self praise, yet you say you are born again!

Proverbs 18:13

You just jumped at the post without reading with insight.
I am not a BORN AGAIN i'm just talking about them and their attitude in our midst!

MaxInDHouse:
So your own BORN AGAIN people are still with such low sensitivity?

If i say you don't know the meaning of "BORN AGAIN" you will start calling names.

If you're not stupid a BORN AGAIN Christian is one born of the spirit {John 3:5} they are in the front when talking about holiness in our midst we fear them because their actions is judging us that we supposed to be their subjects while they rule over us. Revelations 20:5-6

In fact we are sometimes scared seeing how they do everything as if they're no longer humans like us, the spirit of God dwells in them and they have put all material things behind them it's like they're living in another world as we perceive them in our midst.
That's why you can never ever see a former JW who will tell you he is associating with any other religion/church because we are 100% certain that there is no born again Christian outside Jehovah's Witnesses organization and they are the ones we are saying this to:

“We want to go with you, for we have heard that God is with you people.” Zechariah 8:23

So my guy you don't know what it means to be a BORN AGAIN Christian!

You know that you are not born again. You don't qualify. To be born again, you must believe that God raised Jesus from the dead first. But you said he didn't, that Jesus rose from the dead and left his body behind. You are wicked to say things contrary to God's word. Your leader is in hell burning for his wrong teachings and you will join him very soon.

StillDtruth:
Off point!

You did not make this post to ask for urgent 5k. So you dug a pit for me to fall, and it is the wicked who dig pits for another to fall, therefore you are a very wicked person and not a christian at all and you already know that people like you shall burn forever in God's Wrath!

Tell me how many people who have asked for urgent fund on nairaland that you have helped with proof.

MaxInDHouse:
That's the name the true God called his faithful worshipers in the endtime:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15


Proverbs 18:13

You just jumped at the post without reading with insight.
I am not a BORN AGAIN i'm just talking about them and their attitude in our midst!

But you said that there is no born again Christian outside Jehovah Witnesse organisation. And now you are saying that you are not born again. You are hopelessness confused.

Ken4Christ:
You know that you are not born again. You don't qualify. To be born again, you must believe that God raised Jesus from the dead first. But you said he didn't, that Jesus rose from the dead and left his body behind. You are wicked to say things contrary to God's word. Your leader is in hell burning for his wrong teachings and you will join him very soon.

What is the essence of your so called BORN AGAIN now that some of you are going to your HELLFIRE?

Ken4Christ:
But you said that there is no born again Christian outside Jehovah Witnesse organisation. And now you are saying that you are not born again. You are hopelessness confused.

There is no single Born Again Christian outside Jehovah's Witnesses organization but that doesn't translate that all JWs are Born Again.
It's obvious you guys don't read with insight!

Ken4Christ:
Tell me how many people who have asked for urgent fund on nairaland that you have helped with proof.

See, more proof you are a devil as i have always told you, for if you were truly a christian, you would have known proverbs 27:2

MaxInDHouse:
That's the name the true God called his faithful worshipers in the endtime:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Proverbs 18:13

You just jumped at the post without reading with insight.
I am not a BORN AGAIN i'm just talking about them and their attitude in our midst!

See, proof you are a devil, for devil is a Liar and a blasphemer of God and perverter but here you are Lying against God and using God to Lie (blasphemy) for Isaiah 65:15 DID NOT SAY "JEHOVAH'S WITNESS'

Complete proof that you people are devils and children of Satan!

Righthussle:
While Young Americans and Europeans are busy inventing life changing inventions, discussing human cloning and head transplant Africans are still discussing helll and heaven that doesn't even exist.
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And here you are adding to the discussion about the heaven and hell which you say does not exist and they should no talk about. What a joker

Steep:
It is a contradiction to say a born again believer may end up in hell.

Correct!

Steep:
Don't just type with emotions you have to provide proof from scriptures
Jesus said he will never lose his sheep, his sheep hear his voice and Will not follow another,

Clearly, the 11 disciples were His sheep and none of them did any fornication or adultery or any sin after they had become The Lord's sheep.

Unlike those who claim "born again" yet they are fornicators, adulterers, liars, wicked and evil like the op himself has shown!

MaxInDHouse:
What is the essence of your so called BORN AGAIN now that some of you are going to your HELLFIRE?

At least, some will enter heaven. And no one will make heaven unless you are born again. Jesus said so. And he also let us know that majority will go to hell. The ratio of those who will go to heaven compared with those who will go to hell is estimated to be 1:10,000. The choice is yours. You can be among the chosen few.

Even during Noah's flood, only 8 souls were saved.

During the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, only 4 souls were given the opportunity to escape but Lot's wife was lost because she looked back.

Many are called but few are chosen.

Ken4Christ:
Many are called but few are chosen.

You don't know the meaning of scriptures you just quote stupidly.

Jesus called all religionists out of their false religions in the year 1914 just as he called the Jews who became his disciples in the first century. Revelations 18:4
I am one of those who responded to his call and became his disciples and just as few were chosen to become co-rulers with him in heaven the BORN AGAIN Christian among us were chosen and given the garment to join the invitees who will go and rule with him in heaven! Matthew 22:1-14

So there are millions of disciples called but only 144,000 were chosen to rule with him in his kingdom that's why he refer to them as the little flock! Luke 12:32

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know the meaning of scriptures you just quote stupidly.

Jesus called all religionists out of their false religions in the year 1914 just as he called the Jews who became his disciples in the first century. Revelations 18:4
I am one of those who responded to his call and became his disciples and just as few were chosen to become co-rulers with him in heaven the BORN AGAIN Christian among us were chosen and given the garment to join the invitees who will go and rule with him in heaven! Matthew 22:1-14

So there are millions of disciples called but only 144,000 were chosen to rule with him in his kingdom that's why he refer to them as the little flock! Luke 12:32

Use your brain. Which part of the scripture says that only 144,000 will rule with Christ in heaven.

The scripture clearly states that Jesus is coming back visibly but you choose to teach your lies. You see why I said that your organisation is anti Christ. You are actually working for the devil without knowing it. Deliver yourself before it's too late.

3. Unfruifullness.

This is another reason so many born again believers will end up in hell. Jesus said;

John 151-2
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Notice the rendering of verse 2 in International Standard Version

John 15:2(ISV)
He cuts off every branch that does not produce fruit in me, and he cuts back every branch that does produce fruit, so that it might produce more fruit.

John 15:6 (ISV)
Unless a person abides in me, he is thrown away like a pruned branch and dries up. People gather such branches, throw them into a fire, and they are burned up.

Note that Jesus is talking about branches in him. To be in Christ means that you are born again. But you can choose to walk away or abide in him. But he warns us of the consequences of not abiding in him.

The parable of the talent is another good example warning us of the consequences of unfruifullness.

The servant who buried his talent was told;

Matthew 25:26-30
26......Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:

27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.

29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So, you are warned. Don't be complacent in your service to God. Ensure you are vitally involved and produce results that will advance the course of the gospel.

Ken4Christ:
Use your brain. Which part of the scripture says that only 144,000 will rule with Christ in heaven.

So all the righteous people will rule with Jesus as kings shey?

Then where will their subjects be nah?

OK in the kingdom of your own god there's no subject shey?

MaxInDHouse:
So all the righteous people will rule with Jesus as kings shey?

Then where will their subjects be nah?

OK in the kingdom of your own god there's no subject shey?

Jesus is the King of Kings. He is the President of presidents. He will come back to earth to rule over the World from the city of Jerusalem. And so many faithful ones will be given power to rule over countries and regions.

But you didn't answer my question. Please, give me references to support your claim that only 144,000 will rule with Jesus in heaven.

Ken4Christ:
Jesus is the King of Kings. He is the President of presidents. He will come back to earth to rule over the World from the city of Jerusalem. And so many faithful ones will be given power to rule over countries and regions.

But you didn't answer my question. Please, give me references to support your claim that only 144,000 will rule with Jesus in heaven.

The highlighted has settled the matter which means if some are going to rule as Kings with Jesus and they're going to rule over countries and regions then there will be subjects who aren't part of the ruling team.
Get that into your skull!