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Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by RepoMan007(op):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrZJgIso0wE?si=CKwbM0anwJroH5Vw

Kenya's debt profile is burdening them.
It was triggered by unchecked borrowing in the last decade.
Their creditors include World Bank, IMF, AFDB, and most importantly, China.
Unforeseen circumstances like Covid pandemic and Ukraine-Russia war also contributed to shocks that unsettled their economy.
11.2 Trillion Kenyan Shilling($85billion dollars at current rates) is owed by Kenya to both internal and external creditors.
That is about 68% of the Kenyan GDP and well above recommended debt level for nations, putting them well at the brink of debt default. This has led to raising of tax locally by the govt.
The big issue is the external part of the loans. It was borrowed in US dollar and so when the Kenyan shilling lost value last year, that led to a rise in loan value of the about $13B that was incurred in additional loans in the last year, 76% of that was down to local currency weakening.
The real issue of concern for the Ruto govt is that they have around $500m to pay each of IMF and WB in the next 18 months as well as $2Bn to china which is not known for flexibility of repayment rescheduling with defaulters.
That is the real reason for the forceful attitude of Ruto govt towards tax increases.

The last fact raises a big question of what the loans were used for. Why tax the people for repayment?

Nigeria can learn a lot from the happenings in Kenya as like Kenya, we have reached borrowing limits, and have to do whatever pleases our lenders to secure emergency loans just to patch things up.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by DMerciful01(m):
UNLAWFUL & VIOLENT PROTEST.....Mtcheew!
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by seunmsg(m): 3:18pm On Jun 27, 2024
We need to turn the AU to a monetary union just like the EU. A single currency will solve a lot of the problem in Africa. The lack of forex thereby leading to an unstable local exchange rate is the bane of the current economic problems all over the continent. We rely too much on dollars for everything and it is not helping our local economy. African leaders should develop the balls and ditch the dollar. With a single currency, trade among African country will increase significantly and this will have a significant effect on the local economy of the continent. Shocks from weak economies can also be spread within the continent.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by SadiqBabaSani: 3:33pm On Jun 27, 2024
Now these is the kind of thread you won't find a corn warrior
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by aylive02(m): 3:36pm On Jun 27, 2024
grin

The bastar* and uneducated cocaine-sniffing Tinubu who projects himself as president will never learn from this. Instead, he will keep pumping money into CSOs' pockets to avoid a coup.

Tinubu's Will leave Nigeria in ruins by the time he's done borrowing.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by Odin13: 3:41pm On Jun 27, 2024
Why blame the dollar for African woes .. when we all know corruption and mismanagement is the bane of the continent backwardness.

People like Tinubu and his family has looted this continent..

In a day a government paid over 200 million to a non existing company with clear eyes.. for tyers..

.. yet he’s shouting austerity measures for the citizens

I hate shifting blames and avoiding responsibilities


Kenyans for don go set the houses of all ex government officials.

Wen e go be for Nigeria

Nigeria politcians and their foolish sycophantic supporters go shock

Jungle justice fit be bread and tea .. let em fooling .. thinking they’re doing Nigerians

Kudos to Kenyans

Nigerians Dey come

Yoruba tribalism no fit stop am.. not even sentiments

If una want make una no tell them to adjust

Hunger go make prof turn alaye..

Make them continue
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by Zxcvbnmghtr: 3:42pm On Jun 27, 2024
SadiqBabaSani:
Now these is the kind of thread you won't find a corn warrior
The person above you have spoken and have spoken intelligently. So keep quiet if you get nothing to say.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by seunmsg(m): 3:53pm On Jun 27, 2024
Odin13:
Why blame the dollar for African woes .. when we all know corruption and mismanagement is the bane of the continent backwardness.

People like Tinubu and his family has looted this continent..

In a day a government paid over 200 million to a non existing company with clear eyes.. for tyers..

.. yet he’s shouting austerity measures for the citizens

I hate shifting blames and avoiding responsibilities


Kenyans for don go set the houses of all ex government officials.

Wen e go be for Nigeria

Nigeria politcians and their foolish sycophantic supporters go shock

Jungle justice fit be bread and tea .. let em fooling .. thinking they’re doing Nigerians

Kudos to Kenyans

Nigerians Dey come

Yoruba tribalism no fit stop am.. not even sentiments

If una want make una no tell them to adjust

Hunger go make prof turn alaye..

Make them continue
This is a thread about Kenyan and the problems facing the country. Instead of offering a sensible analysis of the problem or offering suggested solutions, you reduced your comment to attacking Tinubu and Yoruba people . What has this thread got to do with Yoruba people?

Let's even talk about protests, uprising and other forms of social disturbances that low IQ folks like you are praying for. I am sure you were old enough when the Arab spring started. So tell us, Is Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria etc better off today than before the Arab spring? How exactly has the Kenyan protest improved the economy of the country? How will protest improve the economy of Nigeria?

See, we know what bitter losers like you guys want. You don't want any protest, what you want is an insurrection. Sadly, you won't get it. The Atiku Abubakar you supported in 2023 is the most corrupt person to ever occupy a public office in Nigeria. He will never be president just like Peter Obi. If you don't have sensible ideas to share or lack a proper understanding of the problem facing Africa, move to the jokes section or just be posting "Power to the North" like you did severally before the presidential election.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by Brendaniel: 3:56pm On Jun 27, 2024
seunmsg:
We need to turn the AU to a monetary union just like the EU. A single currency will solve a lot of the problem in Africa. The lack of forex thereby leading to an unstable local exchange rate is the bane of the current economic problems all over the continent. We rely too much on dollars for everything and it is not helping our local economy. African leaders should develop the balls and ditch the dollar. With a single currency, trade among African country will increase significantly and this will have a significant effect on the local economy of the continent. Shocks from weak economies can also be spread within the continent.
The problem is not the dollar, the problem is the corruption in Africa and people who should have no business with leadership figting to lead like the case we presently have in Nigeria in the past decade....

Your solution might only end up making Africa worse off, because it will now be a case where you have the bad leaders of some African countries jeopardizing the efforts of the ones who are trying make significant impact, just like what is happening in Nigeria here too, when some people jeorpadize the efforts of others to pick good leaders, the result is evident today....

It is best every African country stays on its own till we have at least 90% good leaders in all African countries...
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by dragunov: 4:07pm On Jun 27, 2024
seunmsg:
This is a thread about Kenyan and the problems facing the country. Instead of offering a sensible analysis of the problem or offering suggested solutions, you reduced your comment to attacking Tinubu and Yoruba people . What has this thread got to do with Yoruba people?

Let's even talk about protests, uprising and other forms of social disturbances that low IQ folks like you are praying for. I am sure you were old enough when the Arab spring started. So tell us, Is Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria etc better off today than before the Arab spring? How exactly has the Kenyan protest improved the economy of the country? How will protest improve the economy of Nigeria?

See, we know what bitter losers like you guys want. You don't want any protest, what you want is an insurrection. Sadly, you won't get it. The Atiku Abubakar you supported in 2023 is the most corrupt person to ever occupy a public office in Nigeria. He will never be president just like Peter Obi. If you don't have sensible ideas to share or lack a proper understanding of the problem facing Africa, move to the jokes section or just be posting "Power to the North" like you did severally before the presidential election.
Ehnehn!! Kadoso Mutairu aka seunmsg! That's my boyyyyyyyy!! More like it. My boy is back.😜😜😜😜😜
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by dragunov: 4:11pm On Jun 27, 2024
seunmsg:
We need to turn the AU to a monetary union just like the EU. A single currency will solve a lot of the problem in Africa. The lack of forex thereby leading to an unstable local exchange rate is the bane of the current economic problems all over the continent. We rely too much on dollars for everything and it is not helping our local economy. African leaders should develop the balls and ditch the dollar. With a single currency, trade among African country will increase significantly and this will have a significant effect on the local economy of the continent. Shocks from weak economies can also be spread within the continent.
😏 So that the West can dish out the Gadaffi treatment on them, abi? Shebi that was what the Libyan leader was gunning for before Obama set him up and killed him. Kadoso Mutairu aka seunmsg!!😉
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by RepoMan007(op): 4:14pm On Jun 27, 2024
The last thing close to a true leader we had was Obasanjo. YarAdua was weak and thus selected for that purpose. GEJ was equally weak and never really a politician seeing he is just a guy with good luck. Buhari was no doubt an error even his wife and kids know about. Tinubu is an amplification of Buhari to power of 100.

We need a leader urgently and not all these efulefu atiku n Obi masquerading as solutions. The pattern of debt we are towing is so similar to Kenya's. Huge loans that cant pay even the interest alone talk less about principal.
What were the loans used for?
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by BigkokoRep: 4:15pm On Jun 27, 2024
Hahahaha...even corn warriors, na mama born them! grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

SadiqBabaSani:
Now these is the kind of thread you won't find a corn warrior
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by mrvitalis(m): 4:32pm On Jun 27, 2024
seunmsg:
We need to turn the AU to a monetary union just like the EU. A single currency will solve a lot of the problem in Africa. The lack of forex thereby leading to an unstable local exchange rate is the bane of the current economic problems all over the continent. We rely too much on dollars for everything and it is not helping our local economy. African leaders should develop the balls and ditch the dollar. With a single currency, trade among African country will increase significantly and this will have a significant effect on the local economy of the continent. Shocks from weak economies can also be spread within the continent.
Bros try buy yourself basic economics book abeg

U want unified currency with unstable currencies all over Africa?

Unified currency makes it impossible for nations to devalue their currency... U think if we gave unified currency your Tinubu can pay salaries right now?
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by helinues: 4:34pm On Jun 27, 2024
Toh

If Kenya government had withdrawn the finance bill, why are there youths still protesting?

More destructions of government properties mean more ways to embezzle more money
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by RepoMan007(op): 5:41pm On Jun 27, 2024
seunmsg:
We need to turn the AU to a monetary union just like the EU. A single currency will solve a lot of the problem in Africa. The lack of forex thereby leading to an unstable local exchange rate is the bane of the current economic problems all over the continent. We rely too much on dollars for everything and it is not helping our local economy. African leaders should develop the balls and ditch the dollar. With a single currency, trade among African country will increase significantly and this will have a significant effect on the local economy of the continent. Shocks from weak economies can also be spread within the continent.
adopting a single currency is not the issue. We are in debt. Debt that has been wasted and cannot repay the interest alone not to talk of the principal loan amount. The idea of exploiting oil rich region and treating them as booty has backfired. What we have is a situation where our debts have been wasted and repayment is eating a huge chunk of the oil money our indolence is structured upon and supported by. Activity dont grow GDP, productivity does and I am afraid we have lost touch with reality. When last was cash crop planted.
It may reduce reckless printing of money but not for too long. What happens when like minded leaders assume power across the african states and decide to capitulate at once by printing money to quell civil unrest. That's where we are heading.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by RepoMan007(op): 5:43pm On Jun 27, 2024
helinues:
Toh

If Kenya government had withdrawn the finance bill, why are there youths still protesting?

More destructions of government properties mean more ways to embezzle more money
learn and stop demonising the masses of other countries just because you were asked to do that to Nigerians.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by Wickeddy: 6:20am On Jun 28, 2024
Odin13:
Why blame the dollar for African woes .. when we all know corruption and mismanagement is the bane of the continent backwardness.

People like Tinubu and his family has looted this continent..

In a day a government paid over 200 million to a non existing company with clear eyes.. for tyers..

.. yet he’s shouting austerity measures for the citizens

I hate shifting blames and avoiding responsibilities


Kenyans for don go set the houses of all ex government officials.

Wen e go be for Nigeria

Nigeria politcians and their foolish sycophantic supporters go shock

Jungle justice fit be bread and tea .. let em fooling .. thinking they’re doing Nigerians

Kudos to Kenyans

Nigerians Dey come

Yoruba tribalism no fit stop am.. not even sentiments

If una want make una no tell them to adjust

Hunger go make prof turn alaye..

Make them continue
Power to the North in 2023gringrin

Clown everywhere
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by Odin13: 7:11am On Jun 28, 2024
seunmsg:
This is a thread about Kenyan and the problems facing the country. Instead of offering a sensible analysis of the problem or offering suggested solutions, you reduced your comment to attacking Tinubu and Yoruba people . What has this thread got to do with Yoruba people?

Let's even talk about protests, uprising and other forms of social disturbances that low IQ folks like you are praying for. I am sure you were old enough when the Arab spring started. So tell us, Is Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria etc better off today than before the Arab spring? How exactly has the Kenyan protest improved the economy of the country? How will protest improve the economy of Nigeria?

See, we know what bitter losers like you guys want. You don't want any protest, what you want is an insurrection. Sadly, you won't get it. The Atiku Abubakar you supported in 2023 is the most corrupt person to ever occupy a public office in Nigeria. He will never be president just like Peter Obi. If you don't have sensible ideas to share or lack a proper understanding of the problem facing Africa, move to the jokes section or just be posting "Power to the North" like you did severally before the presidential election.
Trash.com

Low IQ gibberish.. laced with an ewedu mindset.

See you and winner.. if Atiku Na the most corrupt.. Tinubu is corruption define.. but as a Yoruba man, corruption is almost a d**n** aa. Thing.

Means nothing to you..

Enjoy your Nigeria ..

As for insurrection

Tinubu Government will sponsor it..

Person wey Dey do juju for other no deybjnow wen his juju hand go enter his mouth.

Keep gingering the yoruba Government.. e go soon play out..

Dafty adashu
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by Odin13: 7:39am On Jun 28, 2024
mrvitalis:
Bros try buy yourself basic economics book abeg

U want unified currency with unstable currencies all over Africa?

Unified currency makes it impossible for nations to devalue their currency... U think if we gave unified currency your Tinubu can pay salaries right now?
Imagine such dumbness.. from a person calling out low IQ

Is to defend Tinubu stupidity be sophistication
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by victory36(m): 12:09pm On Jun 28, 2024
seunmsg:
We need to turn the AU to a monetary union just like the EU. A single currency will solve a lot of the problem in Africa. The lack of forex thereby leading to an unstable local exchange rate is the bane of the current economic problems all over the continent. We rely too much on dollars for everything and it is not helping our local economy. African leaders should develop the balls and ditch the dollar. With a single currency, trade among African country will increase significantly and this will have a significant effect on the local economy of the continent. Shocks from weak economies can also be spread within the continent.
that last sentence is the reason why this whole move is dead on arrival. The EU stands today because it's large economies like Germany, France and Italy are fairly stable and so therefore can absorb shocks from smaller economies like the balkan members. If we had one currency, and Nigeria economy being one of the largest fell as it did currently, that currency will still be devalued by a long mile. Plus African fiscal institutions are still not ripe for such adventure. EU can admit those smaller countries because Germany and France are bouyant enough to carry them along. Nigeria and South Africa can't even carry themselves talk more of carrying another country
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by RepoMan007(op): 6:13pm On Jul 01, 2024
No reason to fall into same debt trap if govt is serious.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by lawani(m): 8:09pm On Aug 04, 2024
I dont really understand the Kenyan issue. Is the proposed tax higher than what is obtainable in western Europe? western europe pay up to thirty percent. If not, what they should have done in Kenya is increase the minimum wage so that minimum wage earners will not feel the weight of the new tax and there may be quiet. On sovereign debts generally, the UN should acquire everything and all nations should pay up part of their revenue for the repayment by the UN while all governments are advised to henceforth stay off debts but rather have sovereign wealth funds. They should choose surplus instead of deficits
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by RepoMan007(op): 5:47pm On Nov 25, 2025
lawani:
I dont really understand the Kenyan issue. Is the proposed tax higher than what is obtainable in western Europe? western europe pay up to thirty percent. If not, what they should have done in Kenya is increase the minimum wage so that minimum wage earners will not feel the weight of the new tax and there may be quiet. On sovereign debts generally, the UN should acquire everything and all nations should pay up part of their revenue for the repayment by the UN while all governments are advised to henceforth stay off debts but rather have sovereign wealth funds. They should choose surplus instead of deficits
All what you are proferring as solutions requires money and where will the money come from?
They unlike Nigeria, do no have oil to fall back on. They took huge loans but wasted them on unproductive things that is hard to tax the general populace on. Things like small roads at inflated cost.

Look at buhari, He built rails through his village but can his village people patronize that rail well enough to cover the repaymentt, now how will someone from faraway Abia or Osun feel if he is asked to repay that loan used to fund the rail that isnt serving his community.
Re: Some Facts About Kenya's Finance an Debt That Triggered Tax Increase And Protest by lawani(m): 6:08pm On Nov 25, 2025
RepoMan007:
All what you are proferring as solutions requires money and where will the money come from?
They unlike Nigeria, do no have oil to fall back on. They took huge loans but wasted them on unproductive things that is hard to tax the general populace on. Things like small roads at inflated cost.

Look at buhari, He built rails through his village but can his village people patronize that rail well enough to cover the repaymentt, now how will someone from faraway Abia or Osun feel if he is asked to repay that loan used to fund the rail that isnt serving his community.
If you increase minimum wage in order to tax it, that does not require money and no one will complain since it is rub my back I rub yours for minimum wage earners and government
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