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So I was just thinking about divine government yesterday and I know that many Christians would disagree with me.

Don't just read and pass, let me read your disagreement perhaps I might have a change of thoughts towards this.

This line of thought is borne out of a saying of Jesus and an experience I have had in a workplace I am hustling to get by.

Let me talk about the workplace. So my workplace is a Construction site. Quite stressful. Very stressful I must admit. You are carrying acrows, peris, stretching them, mixing this and that, doing this and that from 8am to 5pm. And if you work with the carpenters or some others, you close by 5:30pm unless you are able to finish your housekeeping on time.

Here is the thing. By 7:40am, when toolbox meeting starts, you should be there. If you are not in the site by 7:50am, you would not work for that day because the officer in charge would have assigned duties to all the independent contractors there at the time. I get work twice, or three times a week and if I am super lucky, I get four times in a week, but there are some contractors who get work everyday. It doesn't matter if they worked yesterday or the day before. They would sha get work. Always. Even they know it.

One day after toolbox meeting and I didn't get work, I just jokingly told one - you na baba oo. Na everytime you dey get work. He told me that he was once like me that he would come over and go back home, but that was when the building was at the foundation level. Hmm. In my mind, I was like wow, you have been here for close to two years. We are currently at the seventh floor with four more floors to go. He added that I should move in with those contractors who sleep on site as they are also favoured. The site has rooms for contractors who wish to sleep on site. The very idea that the distribution of jobs might be laced with unfair advantage vanished coupled with the fact that the boss who distributes the job acts fairly. It was all fair and dandy to me.

But that is that and I would come back to this.

Jesus said in Matthew 11:11: I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!

This is mind boggling and screams of justice in the divine government. I will tell you why. Many humans have lived and died. So many. Many righteous people who have done the will of God have come and gone, but Jesus makes a startling statement. John is the greatest and most righteous human that has ever lived and yet if we compare his greatness and righteousness side by side with those in Heaven, he would come out the least. He would seem like nothing.

Rightly so. Human beings are not what they think they are. When you get to Heaven righteous reader, you would join the queue. You would not get special favours or relish than those already there. The angels have been in existence before man was created and they would continue to serve God when humans are no more. Righteous beings in Heaven have been serving God before you were born, before your first ancestor was born, before the first human was born, before the earth was created, before time began and they are still at it. Would John, the most righteous human that lived after John, or other very, very righteous man stand close in God's preference of beings. Creatures that barely served God. Some lived to be 80 years and some 120, but even the best of men are men at their best. Angels have been standing before God running errands for him for millions of years. They have received transferred holiness by virtue of being in the divine presence. If God wants to share candy in Heaven; this is how the distribution would go.

Cherub X, gets first.
then Cherub XY
then Seraph AB
Cherub C
Guarding Cherub CZ
Guarding Cherub HK
And on and on and on with the Cherubs

Then Micheal, Gabriel, angel X, Y, Z, ZX and on and on and on... All of Heaven's inhabitants would get first

Before we talk of humans. Now, we can be talking of John and some very, very righteous persons. The order and hierarchy of the angels is not known to me but the point is clear. God would give Heaven's armies first. They have been with God for ages and it is only right that they get first. They have served God for ages and it is only right that they get first. They are more righteous than humans and it is only right that they get first. You would have to join the queue.

Africans have a vey looooong way to go.

Righthussle:
Africans have a vey looooong way to go.

[quote author=immortalcrown post=130690458][/quote]You didn't have to delete what you wrote if you disagreed with me. The worse you could have written is to either hurl insult or call me an apostate.

Deleting what you wrote is actually much worse than the words you had initially penned down. Oh common.

Righthussle:
Africans have a vey looooong way to go.

When the subject is God or the way he runs his government then it is a subject of chief importance.

Baldwretch:
You didn't have to delete what you wrote if you disagreed with me. The worse you could have written is to either hurl insult or call me an apostate.

Deleting what you wrote is actually much worse than the words you had initially penned down. Oh common.

False accuser, I have not written anything.

immortalcrown:
False accuser, I have not written anything.

Okay, I apologize.

Baldwretch:
Okay, I apologize.

But through Christ Jesus, we are now made Sons of God. Is there any status higher than a Son's apart from the Father? We are children of God and hence heirs, heirs of God. Romans 8:17 God is our heritage. We are now in the process of inheriting God until our final redemption. Angels are not Sons of God. Angels can't inherit God. So how are they higher than us?

And we would judge angels too? 1 Corinthians 6:3

I may be wrong but I don't think angels are higher ranked than the least believer in Christ. I think they were higher than the first Adam as postulated in Hebrews 2:7, but the second Adam is Divine made flesh and has been given access to God in a way that no creature has or will ever be. The first Adam's office seemed limited to only earthly functions whereas the second has the keys of both heaven and earth indicating a position beyond human even.

Angels are God's creatures and highly ranked beings too but in a family of God, a son inherits everything his father has including the angels.

I don't have any contribution actually.

But, I just thought to remind you of the parable of the worker who came late to work and received equal pay.

“The first shall be the last, and the last shall be the first...”

I think you should go through the scriptures and research on occurrences if this hard-to-understand Principle of God.

Example are where scriptures say:

We are the last generation but we'll work the greatest signs (greater than Jesus').
The last Adam being better than the first.
Abel better than Cain, Jacob better than Esau.
Paul doing more than the original 12 Apostles.
The New Earth being better than the First.

Etc etc.
After finding much, you'll have much more to think about

John is greatest of all those born of women before his time because he is the only prophet who prophesied about the Christ, saw him, baptized him, heard God's own words in connection with the Christ and prepared the way for the Christ by telling his own disciples to go and join the ministry of Christ!

But his is not as great as those who worked with the Christ and got baptized with God's Holy Spirit having the seal to go up to heaven and rule with Christ.

TimiRume:
But through Christ Jesus, we are now made Sons of God. Is there any status higher than a Son's apart from the Father?

Your objections has been seen and noted. To answer you.

There is no status higher actually and you are right about that, but Angels are the real definition of Sons of God. Long before Jesus came, God frequently calls the Israelite his sons, so in a sense they are sons of God. Do you remember God's charge to Pharaoh - Israel is my first born son, allow him to go to the wilderness to worship me, or God's charge against Israel through Hosea - Israel is not my son and I am not his father. When you think of the phrase the sons of God, though, your mind must immediately go to the Angels and I would tell you why soon, just wait.

TimiRume:
We are children of God and hence heirs, heirs of God. Romans 8:17 God is our heritage. We are now in the process of inheriting God until our final redemption. Angels are not Sons of God. Angels can't inherit God. So how are they higher than us?

We are heirs of the kingdom of God, not necessarily God and that is because before Christ (or should I say John) came, entering the kingdom of God is an extremely herculean task, but it became easier with the coming of John and that is why Christ said, from the time of John, the Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force, so in order words, we would soon become heirs of God and his kingdom but God's servant who stand before him are already reigning with him. Yes you heard that right, angels are already reigning with God.

Newsflash: The reign of God would not start soon. It started before time began. God has always been reigning and he reigns sovereign and sometimes holds court with holy ones in Heaven. Who would entice Ahab to fight against Ramoth Gilead so he can be killed?

God has always been the portion and heritage of his people, but angels are not in the process of inheriting God. They is no substantial barrier with angels except those to whom God decides to put away. They actually stand in God's presence and they are creatures, God's handiwork, just like you and me.

TimiRume:
And we would judge angels too? 1 Corinthians 6:3

For the first time, I wanted to say I don't agree with this verse, but having thought about the inspiration of all scriptures, I think these must be fallen angels who would be judged on the Day of Judgment. And even at that, would we really be judging them? Would we be judging bad humans too? I have reservations because judgment is solely God's prerogatives, not ours or what he co-delegates. I think you have to read that entire verse and the verse preceding it to be properly informed. Do you know that Our Lord Jesus half brother wrote against speaking ill of the Devil. Just say the Lord rebuke you.

TimiRume:
I may be wrong but I don't think angels are higher ranked than the least believer in Christ. I think they were higher than the first Adam as postulated in Hebrews 2:7, but the second Adam is Divine made flesh and has been given access to God in a way that no creature has or will ever be.

Yes, we are all airing our opinion. Both of us might be wrong sef, but you must never doubt the rank of the angels as been higher than ours. Way higher. Way, way higher. It is a subject of sober reflection that the redeemed have to join the queue when they get to Heaven because we would have to prove our mettle in substantial ways and form. I will quote you now.

[quote author=TimiRume post=130696632][/quote]It is important that to mention that the two oldest books in the bible talks of angels being sons of God. First Job. I am not going to use my translation because it doesn't do justice to this.

Job 1 : 6: Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Who are these sons of God? it has to be angels as other translations put it, and the KJV makes a word for word rendition of the Hebrew bible which is just perfect.

Again, when challenging Job about his justice and giving us a glimpse of what happened when he created the earth.

Job 38 : 4 - 7 :

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Question: Who are the morning stars and who are the sons of God?

Answer: The morning stars are angels of higher ranks, presumably four-faced angels and the sons of God are the angels. Isn't this enough to prove that angels are actually the sons of God, but wait

MaxInDHouse:
John is greatest of all those born of women before his time because he is the only prophet who prophesied about the Christ,

just yet another of so called Jehovah's witnesses very many lies:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Baldwretch:
So I was just thinking about divine government yesterday and I know that many Christians would disagree with me.

Don't just read and pass, let me read your disagreement perhaps I might have a change of thoughts towards this.

This line of thought is borne out of a saying of Jesus and an experience I have had in a workplace I am hustling to get by.

Let me talk about the workplace. So my workplace is a Construction site. Quite stressful. Very stressful I must admit. You are carrying acrows, peris, stretching them, mixing this and that, doing this and that from 8am to 5pm. And if you work with the carpenters or some others, you close by 5:30pm unless you are able to finish your housekeeping on time.

Here is the thing. By 7:40am, when toolbox meeting starts, you should be there. If you are not in the site by 7:50am, you would not work for that day because the officer in charge would have assigned duties to all the independent contractors there at the time. I get work twice, or three times a week and if I am super lucky, I get four times in a week, but there are some contractors who get work everyday. It doesn't matter if they worked yesterday or the day before. They would sha get work. Always. Even they know it.

One day after toolbox meeting and I didn't get work, I just jokingly told one - you na baba oo. Na everytime you dey get work. He told me that he was once like me that he would come over and go back home, but that was when the building was at the foundation level. Hmm. In my mind, I was like wow, you have been here for close to two years. We are currently at the seventh floor with four more floors to go. He added that I should move in with those contractors who sleep on site as they are also favoured. The site has rooms for contractors who wish to sleep on site. The very idea that the distribution of jobs might be laced with unfair advantage vanished coupled with the fact that the boss who distributes the job acts fairly. It was all fair and dandy to me.

But that is that and I would come back to this.

Jesus said in Matthew 11:11: I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!

This is mind boggling and screams of justice in the divine government. I will tell you why. Many humans have lived and died. So many. Many righteous people who have done the will of God have come and gone, but Jesus makes a startling statement. John is the greatest and most righteous human that has ever lived and yet if we compare his greatness and righteousness side by side with those in Heaven, he would come out the least. He would seem like nothing.

Rightly so. Human beings are not what they think they are. When you get to Heaven righteous reader, you would join the queue. You would not get special favours or relish than those already there. The angels have been in existence before man was created and they would continue to serve God when humans are no more. Righteous beings in Heaven have been serving God before you were born, before your first ancestor was born, before the first human was born, before the earth was created, before time began and they are still at it. Would John, the most righteous human that lived after John, or other very, very righteous man stand close in God's preference of beings. Creatures that barely served God. Some lived to be 80 years and some 120, but even the best of men are men at their best. Angels have been standing before God running errands for him for millions of years. They have received transferred holiness by virtue of being in the divine presence. If God wants to share candy in Heaven; this is how the distribution would go.

Cherub X, gets first.
then Cherub XY
then Seraph AB
Cherub C
Guarding Cherub CZ
Guarding Cherub HK
And on and on and on with the Cherubs

Then Micheal, Gabriel, angel X, Y, Z, ZX and on and on and on... All of Heaven's inhabitants would get first

Before we talk of humans. Now, we can be talking of John and some very, very righteous persons. The order and hierarchy of the angels is not known to me but the point is clear. God would give Heaven's armies first. They have been with God for ages and it is only right that they get first. They have served God for ages and it is only right that they get first. They are more righteous than humans and it is only right that they get first. You would have to join the queue.

what Jesus meant by the least person in God's kingdom is greater than John the Baptist is that, the least person who is a believer is greater than John the Baptist who didn't believe until he was eventually killed.

It was never a thing of angels comparing with man.
The kingdom of heaven is within us, that is what you have not understood

Baldwretch:
So I was just thinking about divine government yesterday and I know that many Christians would disagree with me.

Don't just read and pass, let me read your disagreement perhaps I might have a change of thoughts towards this.

This line of thought is borne out of a saying of Jesus and an experience I have had in a workplace I am hustling to get by....

You have already mixed up everything.

First of,.Christ made that statement in Mathew 11:11 because of people like you.

Secondly, when God judges, is it not man with man? How then do you judge man with angels?

Thirdly, no man is going to heaven, it is heaven and earth 2.0 those qualified are going to.

Righthussle:
Africans have a vey looooong way to go.

Say people going to the eternal flames!

TimiRume:
But through Christ Jesus, we are now made Sons of God. Is there any status higher than a Son's apart from the Father? We are children of God and hence heirs, heirs of God. Romans 8:17 God is our heritage. We are now in the process of inheriting God until our final redemption. Angels are not Sons of God. Angels can't inherit God. So how are they higher than us?

Are they not already with God? So which God are they going to inherit again?

paxonel:
what Jesus meant by the least person in God's kingdom is greater than John the Baptist is that, the least person who is a believer is greater than John the Baptist who didn't believe until he was eventually killed.

It was never a thing of angels comparing with man.
The kingdom of heaven is within us, that is what you have not understood

Where did you get that john was not a believer when you already see him beliving and looking out for He who was promised to come, up.to the point of seeking confirmation from Jesus ?

Baldwretch:
Your objections has been seen and noted. To answer you...
Yes, we are all airing our opinion. Both of us might be wrong sef, but you must never doubt the rank of the angels as been higher than ours. Way higher. Way, way higher. It is a subject of sober reflection that the redeemed have to join the queue when they get to Heaven because we would have to prove our mettle in substantial ways and form. I will quote you now.

You are just misleading and destroying yourself in estimating thyself.

You err in coumting your chickens even before your eggs have been laid.

It is God Who judges these things and gives to each their own due, so you are not watching the Mark, and you are forgetting that even the righteous almost do not make it (1 Peter 4:18) yet here you are thinking of being the same with angels who are already with God,

Distraction is one of the weapons of Satan. I think its time i.make the thread.

StillDtruth:
Where did you get that john was not a believer when you already see him beliving and looking out for He who was promised to come, up.to the point of seeking confirmation from Jesus ?

Yes, it is true that John believed whole heartedly, infact he we was the first man to believe and even draw his disciples to Christ.
But at some point when he was imprisoned, he lost he belief, he doubted whether this same Jesus Christ was the Messiah.

Matthew 11:2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
Matthew11:3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

A man who is asking questions like that at this point shows that he has lost his belief or faith.

The word OFFENSE is used in the bible to describe someone who once believe, then he lost his belief or Faith at some point.
Because, ....whosever believes in me should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Matthew 11:6 And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me .

johnw47:
just yet another of so called Jehovah's witnesses very many lies:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Now who is of the devil?

This is what i typed below:

[1] John the baptist: is the only prophet who prophesied about the Christ.
[2] Saw him.
[3] Baptized him.
[4] Heard God's own words in connection with the Christ, and
[5] Prepared the way for the Christ by telling his own disciples to go and join the ministry of Christ!

All other prophets only prophesied about Jesus they never had a one on one encounter with him.

Do you get it now, you blockhead?

MaxInDHouse:
Now who is of the devil?
This is what i typed below:
[1] John the baptist: is the only prophet who prophesied about the Christ.
[2] Saw him.
[3] Baptized him.
[4] Heard God's own words in connection with the Christ, and
[5] Prepared the way for the Christ by telling his own disciples to go and join the ministry of Christ!
All other prophets only prophesied about Jesus they never had a one on one encounter with him.
Do you get it now, you blockhead?

lost false jw mad max

the devil is the father of you liars, you know that

i get it from the beginning, you said; " John the baptist: is the only prophet who prophesied about the Christ."

you were wrong oh know nothing

Isa_32:6 For a fool speaks nonsense,

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max

the devil is the father of you liars, you know that

i get it from the beginning, you said; " John the baptist: is the only prophet who prophesied about the Christ."

you were wrong oh know nothing

Isa_32:6 For a fool speaks nonsense,

Go home and sleep gateman!

MaxInDHouse:
Go home and sleep gateman!

ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, So is the laughter of the fool



false jw mad max

a son of the devil can never stop lying and repeating his lies, and you know it, don't you oh lost one;

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Baldwretch:
Your objections has been seen and noted. To answer you.

There is no status higher actually and you are right about that, but Angels are the real definition of Sons of God. Long before Jesus came, God frequently calls the Israelite his sons, so in a sense they are sons of God. Do you remember God's charge to Pharaoh - Israel is my first born son, allow him to go to the wilderness to worship me, or God's charge against Israel through Hosea - Israel is not my son and I am not his father. When you think of the phrase the sons of God, though, your mind must immediately go to the Angels and I would tell you why soon, just wait.


We are heirs of the kingdom of God, not necessarily God and that is because before Christ (or should I say John) came, entering the kingdom of God is an extremely herculean task, but it became easier with the coming of John and that is why Christ said, from the time of John, the Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force, so in order words, we would soon become heirs of God and his kingdom but God's servant who stand before him are already reigning with him. Yes you heard that right, angels are already reigning with God.

Newsflash: The reign of God would not start soon. It started before time began. God has always been reigning and he reigns sovereign and sometimes holds court with holy ones in Heaven. Who would entice Ahab to fight against Ramoth Gilead so he can be killed?

God has always been the portion and heritage of his people, but angels are not in the process of inheriting God. They is no substantial barrier with angels except those to whom God decides to put away. They actually stand in God's presence and they are creatures, God's handiwork, just like you and me.



For the first time, I wanted to say I don't agree with this verse, but having thought about the inspiration of all scriptures, I think these must be fallen angels who would be judged on the Day of Judgment. And even at that, would we really be judging them? Would we be judging bad humans too? I have reservations because judgment is solely God's prerogatives, not ours or what he co-delegates. I think you have to read that entire verse and the verse preceding it to be properly informed. Do you know that Our Lord Jesus half brother wrote against speaking ill of the Devil. Just say the Lord rebuke you.



Yes, we are all airing our opinion. Both of us might be wrong sef, but you must never doubt the rank of the angels as been higher than ours. Way higher. Way, way higher. It is a subject of sober reflection that the redeemed have to join the queue when they get to Heaven because we would have to prove our mettle in substantial ways and form. I will quote you now.

Thanks for your kind reply. 🙂

My intention was not to undermine the office or roles of angels. Angels have been with God for aeons and are mirrors of his majesty and splendor. Angels are God's creatures, if not his first but I do wonder why man and not angels was made in God's image and likeness. Isnt this saying something about God that even angels are still prying into? Why would God make another creature like him, ain't the angels like him already?

I will leave this question here for probably a deeper reflection: Is Christ greater than the angels of God? Is he of a higher rank?

And leave the only Bible book that has given a comprehensive summary of the Son and the angels (I'm aware that the angels were called sons of God too but that's not the type of sonship I believe we are looking at here or...?)

Hebrews 1:1-14 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hath in these last days spoken unto us BY HIS SON, WHOM HE HATH APPOINTED HEIR OF ALL THINGS , by whom also he made the worlds;

WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON , and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

BEING MADE SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE ANGELS , AS HE HATH BY INHERITANCE OBTAINED A MORE EXCELLENT NAME THAN THEY.

FOR UNTO WHICH OF THE ANGELS SAID HE AT ANY TIME, THOU ART MY SON , THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And again, WHEN HE BRINGETH IN THE FIRST BEGOTTEN INTO THE WORLD, HE SAITH, AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM.

And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

BUT UNTO THE SON HE SAITH, THY THRONE, O GOD, IS FOR EVER AND EVER: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

BUT TO WHICH OF THE ANGELS SAID HE AT ANY TIMES, SIT ON MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE THINE ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL?

ARE THEY NOT ALL MINISTERING SPIRITS, SENT FORTH TO MINISTER FOR THEM WHO SHALL BE HEIRS OF SALVATION?

Hebrews 2:1-18 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.

For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;

How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

FOR UNTO THE ANGELS HATH HE NOT PUT IN SUBJECTION THE WORLD TO COME, WHEREOF WE SPEAK.

BUT ONE IN A CERTAIN PLACE TESTIFIED, SAYING, WHAT IS MAN, THAT THOU ART MINDFUL OF HIM? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, AND DIDST SET HIM OVER THE WORKS OF THY HANDS:

THOU HAST PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

FOR BOTH HE THAT SANCTIFIETH AND THEY WHO ARE SANCTIFIED ARE ALL OF ONE: for which cause HE IS NOT ASHAMED TO CALL THEM BRETHREN,

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

FOR VERILY HE TOOK NOT ON HIM THE NATURE OF ANGELS; BUT HE TOOK ON HIM THE SEED OF ABRAHAM.

Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

StillDtruth:
Are they not already with God? So which God are they going to inherit again?

The Bible in Romans 8:17 has told us who the heirs of God are. Why would we be given that information if even angels are heirs of God? Are angels subjected to the suffering that ushers us into the glory of God? Or do you not know that there is a pathway to God's glory that has been appointed for man only.

Probably there is more about God that we are getting to know in these last days? Even Angels are not left out in looking into this side of God that has been enveloped in mystery before now.

TimiRume:
The Bible in Romans 8:17 has told us who the heirs of God are. Why would we be given that information if even angels are heirs of God? Are angels subjected to the suffering that ushers us into the glory of God? Or do you not know that there is a pathway to God's glory that has been appointed for man only.

Probably there is more about God that we are getting to know in these last days? Even Angels are not left out in looking into this side of God that has been enveloped in mystery before now.

Is it angels who lost God or man? In other words, is it not man who is trying to return to God like the prodigal son?

paxonel:
Yes, it is true that John believed whole heartedly, infact he we was the first man to believe and even draw his disciples to Christ.
But at some point when he was imprisoned, he lost he belief, he doubted whether this same Jesus Christ was the Messiah.

Matthew 11:2 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
Matthew11:3 And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?

A man who is asking questions like that at this point shows that he has lost his belief or faith. .

When we want to confirm something we know is this not the question we ask?

StillDtruth:
Is it angels who lost God or man? In other words, is it not man who is trying to return to God like the prodigal son?

The passage isn't saying the lost will inherit God, it says children. It's speaking to those in God's family already

StillDtruth:
Say people going to the eternal flames!

You too will go to the eternal flames in the Qur'an for people who don't believe in the Qur'an

TimiRume:
The passage isn't saying the lost will inherit God, it says children. It's speaking to those in God's family already

If man was a child of God would Jesus had come to die?