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MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted has settled the matter which means if some are going to rule as Kings with Jesus and they're going to rule over countries and regions then there will be subjects who aren't part of the ruling team.
Get that into your skull!

Sure there will be subjects. And some ungodly people will form the majority of the subject. But they can't rebel against constituted authorities because Satan will be bound for that period.

Meanwhile, answer my question about the 144,000

Ken4Christ:
Sure there will be subjects. And some ungodly people will form the majority of the subject. But they can't rebel against constituted authorities because Satan will be bound for that period.
Meanwhile, answer my question about the 144,000

So in the Kingdom of your god ungodliness will continue shey?

Now it's obvious you're just a fool!

New heaven and new earth my own God wants to creat no ungodly human will be found there because righteousness is what will happen in Paradise.

Fools like you only open your mouth to talk of Hellfire that you don't even know what it means but God's Kingdom you have nothing tangible to say about it!

MaxInDHouse:
So in the Kingdom of your god ungodliness will continue shey?

Now it's obvious you're just a fool!

New heaven and new earth my own God wants to creat no ungodly human will be found there because righteousness is what will happen in Paradise.

Fools like you only open your mouth to talk of Hellfire that you don't even know what it means but God's Kingdom you have nothing tangible to say about it!

You like displaying your ignorance online. The new heaven and the new earth is not yet created during the 1,000 years of Christ on earth. Because after the 1,000 years is over, Satan will be released to deceive the ungodly people on earth. Read the passage below;

Revelation 20:7-9
7 And WHEN THE THOUSAND YEAR'S ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Pride will not let you leave your evil organisation that has brainwashed you with lies through the years.

Ken4Christ:
You like displaying your ignorance online. The new heaven and the new earth is not yet created during the 1,000 years of Christ on earth. Because after the 1,000 years is over, Satan will be released to deceive the ungodly people on earth. Read the passage below;

Revelation 20:7-9
7 And WHEN THE THOUSAND YEAR'S ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Pride will not let you leave your evil organisation that has brainwashed you with lies through the years.

So during the 1,000 years of Christ ungodliness will still be shey?

Mumu!

MaxInDHouse:
So during the 1,000 years of Christ ungodliness will still be shey?

Mumu!

Who did this to you? But you just read the passage above. If they weren't there, where did Satan get those he deceived after the 1,000 years of Jesus reign. And they are going to be in billions.

The 1,000 years of Jesus reign will be however very peaceful because Satan will be bound for this period of time.

Russell and Rutherford has really damaged your brain that you find difficult to accept the truth in the Bible staring at you.

Ken4Christ:
Who did this to you? But you just read the passage above. If they weren't there, where did Satan get those he deceived after the 1,000 years of Jesus reign. And they are going to be in billions. The 1,000 years of Jesus reign will be however very peaceful because Satan will be bound for this period of time. Russell and Rutherford has really damaged your brain that you find difficult to accept the truth in the Bible staring at you.

You're a complete failure!

When God said everything he made is perfect {Genesis 1:31} was there ungodliness in the garden of Eden?

Guy humble yourself and learn, Satan is the one who made Adam the PERFECT man fall there was no ungodliness in the garden of Eden until Satan came in so after 1,000 years reign of Christ Satan will mislead perfect as in holy people again just as he did with Adam God's first human son! Luke 3:38

That's why the scriptures say those who have made it to heaven with Jesus are the only ones who can't fall again as they are far away from Satan's reach! Revelations 20:4-6

So those who are going to heaven to live with Christ Jesus can't be deceived again by Satan {Revelations 12:12} but as for whoever is here on earth they're still within Satan's reach.

Do you get it now?

MaxInDHouse:
You're a complete failure!

When God said everything he made is perfect {Genesis 1:31} was there ungodliness in the garden of Eden?

Guy humble yourself and learn, Satan is the one who made Adam the PERFECT man fall there was no ungodliness in the garden of Eden until Satan came in so after 1,000 years reign of Christ Satan will mislead perfect as in holy people again just as he did with Adam God's first human son! Luke 3:38

That's why the scriptures say those who have made it to heaven with Jesus are the only ones who can't fall again as they are far away from Satan's reach! Revelations 20:4-6

So those who are going to heaven to live with Christ Jesus can't be deceived again by Satan {Revelations 12:12} but as for whoever is here on earth they're still within Satan's reach.

Do you get it now?

But those who will reign with Christ during the 1,000 years came from heaven with him. The millennium reign of Christ on earth is not the new earth. The new heaven and the new earth will be unveiled after the Great White Throne Judgment. And the Great White Throne Judgment happens after the millennium reign of Christ.

Christ alone will not come back from heaven to reign on earth for 1,000 years. He is coming back with thousands of Saints. See the evidence below;

Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Did you read above that ten thousands of his Saints are coming with Jesus from heaven.

And this brings to mind for Jesus to rule on earth, he must have a physical body which your organisation denies.

I wish you could be free from junks of misleading doctrines. You are seriously in bondage. It shall never be well with Russell and Rutherford.

Ken4Christ:
But those who will reign with Christ during the 1,000 years came from heaven with him.

Have you agreed that Satan is the cause of ungodliness not humans?

MaxInDHouse:
Have you agreed that Satan is the cause of ungodliness not humans?

He is the root cause but you have the choice to say no to his deceits. The scripture says you should resist the devil and he will flee from you.

But, you are still dodging my question. Show me in the Bible where it says that only 144,000 will make heaven.

Ken4Christ:
He is the root cause but you have the choice to say no to his deceits. The scripture says you should resist the devil and he will flee from you. But, you are still dodging my question. Show me in the Bible where it says that only 144,000 will make heaven.

You have seen it but pride will not allow you to admit, only those who will rule with Christ Jesus are going to heaven not all believers.
Period!

MaxInDHouse:
You have seen it but pride will not allow you to admit, only those who will rule with Christ Jesus are going to heaven not all believers.
Period!

Seen what? Russell is in hell waiting for you. You don't want to deliver yourself from this evil organisation with all the evidences of their lies.

Ken4Christ:
Seen what? Russell is in hell waiting for you. You don't want to deliver yourself from this evil organisation with all the evidences of their lies.

Stick to the point of discussion not fallacies you're cooking in your head!

MaxInDHouse:
Stick to the point of discussion not fallacies you're cooking in your head!

Answer the question; where in the scripture did it say only 144,000 will go to heaven?

Ken4Christ:
Answer the question; where in the scripture did it say only 144,000 will go to heaven?

Christ Jesus is the Messiah (anointed King of God's kingdom) whose government house is to be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} and only 144,000 will be always be with the King of God's kingdom wherever he goes! Revelations 14:1-4
So they are the only number going to rule with him in heaven there is no scripture that says 144,000 will go to heaven specifically but with what the Bible presented to us only a limited number will rule with the Christ {Luke 12:32} and this limited number will be with him always {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} so if the government house will be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} then it's wise to conclude that only that number will go with him to heaven!

MaxInDHouse:
Christ Jesus is the Messiah (anointed King of God's kingdom) whose government house is to be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} and only 144,000 will be always be with the King of God's kingdom wherever he goes! Revelations 14:1-4
So they are the only number going to rule with him in heaven there is no scripture that says 144,000 will go to heaven specifically but with what the Bible presented to us only a limited number will rule with the Christ {Luke 12:32} and this limited number will be with him always {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} so if the government house will be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} then it's wise to conclude that only that number will go with him to heaven!

You see how dumb you are. Please search the scriptures yourself and stop relying on the false teachings from Russell and Rutherford who are both anti Christ. There are several portions of the scriptures that debunks your lies.

First, the passages you quoted never said only that number will be in heaven Let's look at a few scriptures to expose your lies;

1. Revelation 7:9-17
9. After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 THEREFORE ARE THEY BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD, and serve him day and night in his temple: and HE THAT SITTED ON THE THRONE SHALL DWELL AMONG THEM.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the LAMB WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE SHALL FEED THEM, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Digest this passage first. I will give you many other proofs to expose your lies. Repent and don't let pride destroy you. If you don’t, you will burn in the very hell you deny doesn't exist.

Ken4Christ:
You see how dumb you are. Please search the scriptures yourself and stop relying on the false teachings from Russell and Rutherford who are both anti Christ. There are several portions of the scriptures that debunks your lies.

First, the passages you quoted never said only that number will be in heaven Let's look at a few scriptures to expose your lies;

1. Revelation 7:9-17
9. After this I beheld, and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 THEREFORE ARE THEY BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD, and serve him day and night in his temple: and HE THAT SITTED ON THE THRONE SHALL DWELL AMONG THEM.

16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17 For the LAMB WHICH IS IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE SHALL FEED THEM, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Digest this passage first. I will give you many other proofs to expose your lies. Repent and don't let pride destroy you. If you don’t, you will burn in the very hell you deny doesn't exist.

The highlighted isn't talking about heaven but those on planet earth if it's the "throne of God" that's confusing you then learn that God's throne connotes His presence necessarily heaven!Exodus 3:5

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted isn't talking about heaven but those on planet earth if it's the "throne of God" that's confusing you then learn that God's throne connotes His presence necessarily heaven!Exodus 3:5

You must tell more lies to cover previous lies. Even your conscience knows that you are lying. So, God's Throne is now on earth. So the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11 also on earth. So, God has left heaven and he uses earth as his operating headquarter. Even Satan will fear your lies. Continue. Son of perdition.

Ken4Christ:
You must tell more lies to cover previous lies. Even your conscience knows that you are lying. So, God's Throne is now on earth. So the Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11 also on earth. So, God has left heaven and he uses earth as his operating headquarter. Even Satan will fear your lies. Continue. Son of perdition.

You're quoting two different scriptures out of context but if it's about God's throne with humans on earth here is what the Bible says:

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. Revelations 21:3

According to Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God, God's Kingdom is COMING to planet earth! Matthew 6:10

MaxInDHouse:
You're quoting two different scriptures out of context but if it's about God's throne with humans on earth here is what the Bible says:

With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. Revelations 21:3

According to Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God, God's Kingdom is COMING to planet earth! Matthew 6:10

Your reference is concerning the new heaven and the new earth. The new heaven will come down to earth. Heaven and earth will be merged into one entity. Its only then his Throne would come down to earth.

But right now, his Throne is in heaven and those countless billions from every tribe were all in heaven.

This revelation is too high for you.

Ken4Christ:
Your reference is concerning the new heaven and the new earth. The new heaven will come down to earth. Heaven and earth will be merged into one entity. Its only then his Throne would come down to earth.
But right now, his Throne is in heaven and those countless billions from every tribe were all in heaven.
This revelation is too high for you.

So why taking them to heaven before returning them to earth nah?
You don't understand something and when we try to TEACH you you will start arguing blindly.

Explain what billions are going to do in heaven before returning to the earth!

MaxInDHouse:
So why taking them to heaven before returning them to earth nah?
You don't understand something and when we try to TEACH you you will start arguing blindly.

Explain what billions are going to do in heaven before returning to the earth!

The earth he returned them to is as glorious as the heaven they were. So, its not a demotion. And God also came down in the new heaven with master design that no architect on earth can fathom.

Read the description of the New Jerusalem very well. It will be the capital city of the new heaven and the new earth. Though not everyone will dwell in the city of New Jerusalem but everyone will have the opportunity to visit from year to year.

The other cities and other nations will equally be glorious because there will be abundance of everything to beautiful every city. Gold and all forms of precious stones will not be scarce. So, other cities might also be paved with gold but the glory of the New Jerusalem will be far more.

It has always been God's plan to bring everything in heaven and earth together. This was revealed to Apostle Paul by the Spirit when he wrote;

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might GATHER TOGETHER IN ONE all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him

The Easy English Translation puts in this way;

Ephesians 1:10 God will finish his purpose when the time is completely right. Then he will bring everything together, the things in *heaven, and the things on earth. God will bring everything together in Christ, with Christ as the head (the leader).

But the plan couldn't come into effect until the Kingdom of this world is completely destroyed and Satan judged.

So, while the plan lingers, the spirit of Saints who die goes to heaven until the fulfillment of the plan.

Ken4Christ:
So, while the plan lingers, the spirit of Saints who die goes to heaven until the fulfillment of the plan.

Will they go with their physical bodies?

MaxInDHouse:
Will they go with their physical bodies?

Certainly not. They go as a spirit man. But those who are resurrected during the Rapture go with their glorified body just like the glorified body of Jesus. And a glorified body is different from the natural body which is referred to as flesh and blood. A glorified body has flesh and bones but it has no blood. The life of the glorified body is sustained by the Spirit of God and not by blood. This is why the scripture says;

Philippians 3:21 Who shall CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned LIKE UNTO HIS GLORIOUS BODY, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

The verse above affirms that Jesus has a glorious body and also says that our bodies will be changed to be like that of Jesus.

Ken4Christ:
Certainly not. They go as a spirit man.

If they aren't going with visible physical bodies then what happens to their physical bodies?