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HellVictorinho6:
U mean there was an instance of infinite density

U simply mean there was infinite density


But again THERE WAS

OR GOING BACKWARDS 2wards

infinity is like saying going backwards 2 no forwards


i mean infinity cant be a past or future case

cuz it means never ending

thatz not wordplay


as 4 laws of physics breaking down


u agree physics is self adjusting meaning it doesnt remain the same over time

then it means it has no permanent structure so it neva really BREAKS DOWN


letz rather say u/not me become unable 2 REARRANGE WORDS AGAIN




U av limited knowledge doesnt mean existence must be limited in definition

the universe means existence in ur limited definition

existence itself has 2 be infinite


and

u dont get permission 2 try ur expertise from yasef


u try it

ya

thatz y itz a thing 2 be repeated


expertise is the highest level of trying shit

The delightful ramblings of someone attempting to sound intellectual!

Your obsession with infinity is cute. You seem to think that because infinity is "never-ending," it can't be applied to past or future cases. Well, physicists use mathematical concepts like infinity to describe singularities, not to imply a literal, eternal existence. It's a tool, not a philosophical crutch.

And oh, the irony! You accuse me of "limited knowledge" while displaying a breathtaking lack of understanding of basic physics. Physics is indeed self-adjusting, meaning your understanding evolves as new evidence emerges. But that doesn't mean the laws of physics themselves change; your comprehension of them does.

You then went ahead with the assertion that physics can't "break down" because it's self-adjusting, another straw man argument. When physicists say the laws of physics break down at a singularity, they mean our current understanding becomes inadequate, not that the universe itself ceases to function.

Grandiose declaration that "existence itself has to be infinite" is nothing but a hollow statement. Your limited definition of existence doesn't dictate the nature of reality. The universe is what it is, regardless of your attempts to impose your theistic worldview upon it.

Keep trying, though. Maybe someday you'll manage to coherently articulate a scientific concept without resorting to pompous ramblings.

Botragelad:
Haha. Your attempt to discredit the concept of the universe by claiming it's a contradiction failed. The term "point" in physics refers to a mathematical concept, not a physical entity with size or dimension. It's a theoretical construct, not a literal "part" with finite boundaries.

The "zero volume" argument is equally flawed. The concept of zero volume doesn't mean "nothing"; it means a singularity where our current understanding of physics breaks down. It's not a logical contradiction, let's say a limitation of our knowledge.

Now, regarding those physical laws and empirical evidence. You seem to think that scientists arbitrarily decide what's acceptable based on "state law." No, scientific laws and evidence are based on rigorous testing, observation, and peer review. They're not dictated by some arbitrary authority, but rather by the consensus of experts in their fields.

And yes, human errors and contradictions are possible, but that's why science is a self-correcting process. New evidence and observations can refine or even overturn existing theories. That's the beauty of science - it's not dogma, but a continuous pursuit of knowledge.

So, dear creationist, try again. Maybe next time you can present a coherent argument that doesn't rely on wordplay and misunderstandings of basic scientific concepts.

again



infinity cant be sumtin that WAS OR will be



Scientific concept 2day can become unscientific concept 2moro

Botragelad:
The delightful ramblings of someone attempting to sound intellectual!

Your obsession with infinity is cute. You seem to think that because infinity is "never-ending," it can't be applied to past or future cases. Well, physicists use mathematical concepts like infinity to describe singularities, not to imply a literal, eternal existence. It's a tool, not a philosophical crutch.

And oh, the irony! You accuse me of "limited knowledge" while displaying a breathtaking lack of understanding of basic physics. Physics is indeed self-adjusting, meaning your understanding evolves as new evidence emerges. But that doesn't mean the laws of physics themselves change; your comprehension of them does.

You then went ahead with the assertion that physics can't "break down" because it's self-adjusting, another straw man argument. When physicists say the laws of physics break down at a singularity, they mean our current understanding becomes inadequate, not that the universe itself ceases to function.

Grandiose declaration that "existence itself has to be infinite" is nothing but a hollow statement. Your limited definition of existence doesn't dictate the nature of reality. The universe is what it is, regardless of your attempts to impose your theistic worldview upon it.

Keep trying, though. Maybe someday you'll manage to coherently articulate a scientific concept without resorting to pompous ramblings.

What makes existence has 2 be infinite a limited definition?

U are the one that said break down means limited knowledge


U said new evidence


Then u speak of understanding evolving


Is new evidence same as new understanding?


Is it based on what is literally so or not?

What leads 2 new evidence?


What does it mean 4 laws 2 av changes?


Does it mean everything in them changes?


Are the singularities made of sumtin literally existing or not?


What does literally existing mean?

Botragelad:
The delightful ramblings of someone attempting to sound intellectual!

Your obsession with infinity is cute. You seem to think that because
infinity is "never-ending," it can't be applied to past or future cases. Well, physicists use mathematical concepts like infinity to describe singularities, not to imply a literal, eternal existence. It's a tool, not a philosophical crutch.

And oh, the irony! You accuse me of "limited knowledge" while displaying a breathtaking lack of understanding of basic physics. Physics is indeed self-adjusting, meaning your understanding evolves as new evidence emerges. But that doesn't mean the laws of physics themselves change; your comprehension of them does.

You then went ahead with the assertion that physics can't "break down" because it's self-adjusting, another straw man argument. When physicists say the laws of physics break down at a singularity, they mean our current understanding becomes inadequate, not that the universe itself ceases to function.

Grandiose declaration that "existence itself has to be infinite" is nothing but a hollow statement. Your limited definition of existence doesn't dictate the nature of reality. The universe is what it is, regardless of your attempts to impose your theistic worldview upon it.

Keep trying, though. Maybe someday you'll manage to coherently articulate a scientific concept without resorting to pompous ramblings.

Wheres theism in no universe?

HellVictorinho6:
again



infinity cant be sumtin that WAS OR will be



Scientific concept 2day can become unscientific concept 2moro

Infinity, in the context of physics, is a mathematical concept used to describe a boundless quantity or a singularity. It's not something that "was" or "will be"; it's a theoretical framework to understand the universe. Stop trying so hard to impose a temporal constraint on infinity, it's like trying to put a leash on a mathematical abstraction.

Scientific theories are not opinions or beliefs; they're rigorously tested and evidence-based explanations. If new evidence emerges, our understanding may evolve, but that doesn't mean the entire concept becomes "unscientific." That's like saying gravity might become "unscientific" tomorrow because our understanding of it might refine.

Your lack of comprehension is staggering. Science isn't a belief system; it's a methodology to understand the universe. Infinity, in this context, is a tool to describe the indescribable, not a physical entity subject to your notions of time and existence. This is basic sense! Lol

HellVictorinho6:
What makes existence has 2 be infinite a limited definition?

U are the one that said break down means limited knowledge


U said new evidence


Then u speak of understanding evolving


Is new evidence same as new understanding?


Is it based on what is literally so or not?

What leads 2 new evidence?


What does it mean 4 laws 2 av changes?


Does it mean everything in them changes?


Are the singularities made of sumtin literally existing or not?


What does literally existing mean?

Y assertion that existence must be infinite is based on your own limited definition, not mine. I merely pointed out that your understanding of infinity is flawed. You conflate mathematical concepts with physical reality, demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding.

New evidence can lead to refined understanding, but that doesn't mean the entire concept becomes "unscientific." It's like asking if new data on gravity means our understanding of gravity changes entirely – no, it just means our comprehension becomes more precise.

Lol. It's called scientific inquiry, observation, and experimentation, the very foundation of science. And when laws of physics "have changes," it doesn't mean everything within them changes; it means our understanding of those laws evolves.

Now, about singularities: they're not "made of something literally existing" in the sense you think. Singularities are mathematical constructs describing extreme states where our current understanding breaks down. They don't have a literal, physical existence; they represent a boundary beyond which our knowledge ceases to apply.

Lastly, "literally existing" means having a physical presence or reality, not a theoretical or mathematical representation. Your failure to grasp this distinction is the root of your confusion.

Botragelad:
Y assertion that existence must be infinite is based on your own limited definition, not mine. I merely pointed out that your understanding of infinity is flawed. You conflate mathematical concepts with physical reality, demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding.

New evidence can lead to refined understanding, but that doesn't mean the entire concept becomes "unscientific." It's like asking if new data on gravity means our understanding of gravity changes entirely – no, it just means our comprehension becomes more precise.

Lol. It's called scientific inquiry, observation, and experimentation, the very foundation of science. And when laws of physics "have changes," it doesn't mean everything within them changes; it means our understanding of those laws evolves.

Now, about singularities: they're not "made of something literally existing" in the sense you think. Singularities are mathematical constructs describing extreme states where our current understanding breaks down. They don't have a literal, physical existence; they represent a boundary beyond which our knowledge ceases to apply.

Lastly, "literally existing" means having a physical presence or reality, not a theoretical or mathematical representation. Your failure to grasp this distinction is the root of your confusion.

In ur mind

I dont get the distinction


Now answer dis one


U say singularities are 4 describing states where ur current understanding breaks down


If you are sure those STATES literally exist, y does ur current understanding break down?


U see


Issue is u choose 2 use infinity 4 non literal existence only

U choose 2 use it 4 math shit only

shud it be used as a math tool only where u describe states using singularities due 2 break down in ur current understanding despite being sure that the states literally exist?


u also call them extreme

as in 2 hard 4 you


shud ur understanding ever fail if itz an understanding truly?


what do you that keeps saying i dont grasp really grasp?


me asking what is 1 plus 1 doesnt mean i dont know itz 2


it means i want 2 know where itz taking us to


y does ur grasp fail when u get there?

av gotten there and come back

when i got there

i checked 4 ur break down


i discovered itz ur cup of tea

HellVictorinho6:
In ur mind

I dont get the distinction


Now answer dis one


U say singularities are 4 describing states where ur current understanding breaks down


If you are sure those STATES literally exist, y does ur current understanding break down?


U see


Issue is u choose 2 use infinity 4 non literal existence only

U choose 2 use it 4 math shit only

shud it be used as a math tool only where u describe states using singularities due 2 break down in ur current understanding despite being sure that the states literally exist?


u also call them extreme

as in 2 hard 4 you


shud ur understanding ever fail if itz an understanding truly?


what do you that keeps saying i dont grasp really grasp?


me asking what is 1 plus 1 doesnt mean i dont know itz 2


it means i want 2 know where itz taking us to


y does ur grasp fail when u get there?

av gotten there and come back

when i got there

i checked 4 ur break down


i discovered itz ur cup of tea

Well, I'd say our question is based on a false assumption: that I believe singularities "literally exist" in a physical sense. No, singularities are mathematical constructs, not physical entities. They represent a boundary beyond which our current understanding ceases to apply, not a literal state.

Your attempt to equate my use of infinity in mathematical contexts with a supposed failure to understand its implications is laughable. Infinity is a tool, not a physical reality. I don't "choose" to use it only in math; that's its purpose.

Coming from someone who can't grasp the basics of scientific inquiry. Singularities aren't "too hard" for me; they represent the limits of our current knowledge, not a personal failing.

The 1+1analogy is funny, but misguided. Your question isn't seeking clarification; it's a weak attempt to feign intellectual curiosity while obscuring your own lack of understanding.

Botragelad:
Well, I'd say our question is based on a false assumption: that I believe singularities "literally exist" in a physical sense. No, singularities are mathematical constructs, not physical entities. They represent a boundary beyond which our current understanding ceases to apply, not a literal state.

Your attempt to equate my use of infinity in mathematical contexts with a supposed failure to understand its implications is laughable. Infinity is a tool, not a physical reality. I don't "choose" to use it only in math; that's its purpose.

Coming from someone who can't grasp the basics of scientific inquiry. Singularities aren't "too hard" for me; they represent the limits of our current knowledge, not a personal failing.

The 1+1analogy is funny, but misguided. Your question isn't seeking clarification; it's a weak attempt to feign intellectual curiosity while obscuring your own lack of understanding.

Define the boundary beyond ur understanding


What does it mean


And who gave infinity the purpose u talk about


Should our knowledge being limited as u say mean infinity must only av that purpose

Botragelad:
Well, I'd say our question is based on a false assumption: that I believe singularities "literally exist" in a physical sense. No, singularities are mathematical constructs, not physical entities. They represent a boundary beyond which our current understanding ceases to apply, not a literal state.

Your attempt to equate my use of infinity in mathematical contexts with a supposed failure to understand its implications is laughable. Infinity is a tool, not a physical reality. I don't "choose" to use it only in math; that's its purpose.

Coming from someone who can't grasp the basics of scientific inquiry. Singularities aren't "too hard" for me; they represent the limits of our current knowledge, not a personal failing.

The 1+1analogy is funny, but misguided. Your question isn't seeking clarification; it's a weak attempt to feign intellectual curiosity while obscuring your own lack of understanding.

What is the literal state?


Is it limited?

HellVictorinho6:
Define the boundary beyond ur understanding


What does it mean


And who gave infinity the purpose u talk about


Should our knowledge being limited as u say mean infinity must only av that purpose

Still struggling to comprehend basic concepts?lol.

The boundary beyond our understanding refers to the limits of our current knowledge. It's not a physical boundary but a conceptual one, marking the edge of our understanding. And no, infinity wasn't "given" a purpose by some divine entity; it's a mathematical concept developed by humans to describe boundless quantities.

The question you asked about limited knowledge and infinity's purpose is based on a false assumption: that our understanding is static. As our knowledge evolves, so do our tools and concepts, like infinity. Its purpose isn't fixed or limited by our current understanding.

Your seem to conflate mathematical concepts with physical reality and divine purpose. Infinity is a tool, not a sacred relic. Its purpose is to describe the boundless, not to serve some higher power. Understand now?

Botragelad


You have no reason 4 dodging my questions



What u call an understanding is nothing but ur acceptance of what you cant force upon me


U accept just one purpose 4 infinity

which is using it 4 a non literal state




Or a state beyond ur current understanding


Dont u?



Ask ur fellow experts or ur source experts 2 define y they do such thing

HellVictorinho6:
Botragelad


You have no reason 4 dodging my questions



What u call an understanding is nothing but ur acceptance of what you cant force upon me


U accept just one purpose 4 infinity

which is using it 4 a non literal state




Or a state beyond ur current understanding


Dont u?



Ask ur fellow experts or ur source experts 2 define y they do such thing

I'm not dodging your questions; I'm simply illuminating your ignorance. And yes, my understanding is based on evidence and reason, not blind acceptance like your theistic beliefs.

You're correct that I accept one purpose for infinity, as a mathematical tool to describe boundless quantities or states beyond our current understanding. And yes, I rely on experts and evidence-based sources, unlike your reliance on dogma.

Your demand to ask "fellow experts or source experts" to define their use of infinity is pointless. It's like asking a mathematician to justify using addition because you don't understand its purpose. Infinity is a well-defined concept in mathematics, and its purpose is clear - to describe the boundless, not to serve your agenda.

Botragelad:
Still struggling to comprehend basic concepts?lol.

The boundary beyond our understanding refers to the limits of our current knowledge. It's not a physical boundary but a conceptual one, marking the edge of our understanding. And no, infinity wasn't "given" a purpose by some divine entity; it's a mathematical concept developed by humans to describe boundless quantities.

The question you asked about limited knowledge and infinity's purpose is based on a false assumption: that our understanding is static. As our knowledge evolves, so do our tools and concepts, like infinity. Its purpose isn't fixed or limited by our current understanding.

Your seem to conflate mathematical concepts with physical reality and divine purpose. Infinity is a tool, not a sacred relic. Its purpose is to describe the boundless, not to serve some higher power. Understand now?

Those humans are the who i asked about


And what are those boundless quantities being described?

Botragelad:
I'm not dodging your questions; I'm simply illuminating your ignorance. And yes, my understanding is based on evidence and reason, not blind acceptance like your theistic beliefs.

You're correct that I accept one purpose for infinity, as a mathematical tool to describe boundless quantities or states beyond our current understanding. And yes, I rely on experts and evidence-based sources, unlike your reliance on dogma.

Your demand to ask "fellow experts or source experts" to define their use of infinity is pointless. It's like asking a mathematician to justify using addition because you don't understand its purpose. Infinity is a well-defined concept in mathematics, and its purpose is clear - to describe the boundless, not to serve your agenda.

Did ur experts prove my theism 2 you as well

Botragelad



If u know d answer


Jus say it bro


What are d boundless quantities?





No need 4 baseless grama up and down

Botragelad


also stop ur itz like saying


itz more reasonable 2 ask 4 what i mean by the words i use