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Dtruthspeaker:
See dodging and deflection.

He asks about obeying the bible and here you are dodging it and changing it to appointment of pastor which is the issue.

We take it that you are not able to answer any of this pertinent questions.

If you are not the one dodging and deflecting, answer my question.

Dtruthspeaker:
In all these dodging and fallacious argiments you still did not answer the question

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?

We understand why you are not able to.

Answer my questions when you are ready and sincere to have this conversation.

immortalcrown:
Does the announcement tell you that only those who made confession before the Mass should get the Holy communion? If yes, which parish made that announcement? If not, why are you forcing your own interpretation on me and asking me unnecessary questions?

You sounded like you did not understand the announcement. I explained the announcement to you. You are now trying to twist it to bring out your own interpretation. The announcement never says that God does not hear your prayer. If you are not willing to follow the laid down procedures for prayers in the Catholic doctrine, leave the Catholic and go to any church of your choice. The Catholic is not the only church that gives the Holy communion. Go to another church and receive the Holy communion there, if you do not like the protocols involved in getting the communion in the Catholic Church.

That's it sir. Catholic doctrine has it procedures, follow it & hold on to your faith, simple

Dtruthspeaker:
You are not answering the question

1) "Does it mean God did not hear our prayers for mercy? (at the begining of the mass or.furing the mass or the one just before the communion is given)

2) Does it mean God hears only the confessions we make before the Priest?"

1. God hear our prayer during the mass, and during the communion, this sacrament is sacred one which you know it involve a transubstancetiation process, meaning you can't belittle that grace shared during the celebration
2. No

Sometime ago, the Lord gave me an illustration on this issue.

The Lord said to me: if you go to a wedding banquet, before the ushers starts the distribution of food and drinks, the groom gets up an make the following announcement, "This wedding food and drinks is prepared for those who came prepared and well suited with the wedding attire recommended in the invitation."

The question is: what do you think those in attendance with or without the recommended attire of the day would feel?

Even those who put on the right attire might feel threatened to participate in the distribution of the food and drinks because they don't want to be publicly embarrassed.

That is exactly what is going on in the minds of many Catholics during the communion. After that announcement is made, some might mutter under their breath, "Am I really prepared?" Some will sit back on the pew because they're afraid.

The mass is a feast. The Bible says in the book of Isaiah:

Isaiah 25:6
[6]And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.


The mountain in that text is the church.


I write this for many to think and re-think again.

You that is responding on the contrary, think about how many times you have been held back while others go to the altar to receive the communion. You sit on the pew and condemn yourself because of your sins and faults when God has forgiven you after you've asked for mercy: for He says, "let us come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help."

I am a Catholic, I've been in that situation countless times. If you say you haven't been in that situation, then you're not telling the truth.

You see, we've all sinned, and when we ask for God's mercy he says He is faithful and just to forgive us. And after we are forgiven, then we are made righteous again before God. And as such, fit to receive the communion: because if you're good to fellowship with God, then you're good to receive all that He presents in that fellowship.

1 John 1:3
[3]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

AdeCityzen:
1. God hear our prayer during the mass, and during the communion, this sacrament is sacred one which you know it involve a transubstancetiation process, meaning you can't belittle that grace shared during the celebration
2. No

Ok. Then it stands to reason that if God has forgiven a person during mass, then everyone in that mass is in "state of grace" and is qualified to take the communion without any fettering, isn't that correct?

immortalcrown:
Answer my questions when you are ready and sincere to have this conversation.

If you were truly sincere and just.you would have answered my question first, for i asked you first. That is what the rules of fair and reasonable debate states .

immortalcrown:
If you are not the one dodging and deflecting, answer my question.

The records show that you are the one didging and now you have started resorting to lies in proof that catholic church supports lies!

paxonel:
you certainly have nothing to do with the right answers to the op question.
They cannot edify you.
At it stands right now nothing works in your brain, so nothing can help you

Therefore you confess you cannot answer the question. We understand!

paxonel:
you are saying correct today, what happen?

Bevause you ard correct today!

Sometime ago, the Lord gave me an illustration on this issue.

The Lord said to me: if you go to a wedding banquet, before the ushers starts the distribution of food and drinks, the groom gets up an make the following announcement, "This wedding food and drinks is prepared for those who came prepared and well suited with the wedding attire recommended in the invitation."

The question is: what do you think those in attendance with or without the recommended attire of the day would feel?

Even those who put on the right attire might feel threatened to participate in the distribution of the food and drinks because they don't want to be publicly embarrassed.

That is exactly what is going on in the minds of many Catholics during the communion. After that announcement is made, some might mutter under their breath, "Am I really prepared?" Some will sit back on the pew because they're afraid.

The mass is a feast. The Bible says in the book of Isaiah:

Isaiah 25:6
[6]And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.


The mountain in that text is the church.


I write this for many to think and re-think again.

You that is responding on the contrary, think about how many times you have been held back while others go to the altar to receive the communion. You sit on the pew and condemn yourself because of your sins and faults when God has forgiven you after you've asked for mercy: for He says, "let us come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help."

I am a Catholic, I've been in that situation countless times. If you say you haven't been in that situation, then you're not telling the truth.

You see, we've all sinned, and when we ask for God's mercy he says He is faithful and just to forgive us. And after we are forgiven, then we are made righteous again before God. And as such, fit to receive the communion: because if you're good to fellowship with God, then you're good to receive all that He presents in that fellowship.

1 John 1:3
[3]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.


Jesus is Lord!

Dtruthspeaker:
Ok. Then it stands to reason that if God has forgiven a person during mass, then everyone in that mass is in "state of grace" and is qualified to take the communion without any fettering, isn't that correct?

depends, not everyone do their act of contrition perfectly. But during the communion as baptized catholics, you're given the chance again to feel sorrowful for you sin before going to eat the body of christ.

AdeCityzen:
depends, not everyone do their act of contrition perfectly. But during the communion as baptized catholics, you're given the chance again to feel sorrowful for you sin before going to eat the body of christ.

Sister be sincere, having felt sorry for your sins and had asked God for mercy, has there been times you still felt unforgiven and sat back on your sit while others are going to the altar to receive the communion?

Please be sincere and kindly respond.

ocnovakmichael:
Sister be sincere, having felt sorry for your sins and had asked God for mercy, has there been times you still felt unforgiven and sat back on your sit while others are going to the altar to receive the communion?

Please be sincere and kindly respond.

No, i'm always ready for it.

ocnovakmichael:
Sometime ago, the Lord gave me an illustration on this issue.

The Lord said to me: if you go to a wedding banquet, before the ushers starts the distribution of food and drinks, the groom gets up an make the following announcement, "This wedding food and drinks is prepared for those who came prepared and well suited with the wedding attire recommended in the invitation."

The question is: what do you think those in attendance with or without the recommended attire of the day would feel?

Even those who put on the right attire might feel threatened to participate in the distribution of the food and drinks because they don't want to be publicly embarrassed.

That is exactly what is going on in the minds of many Catholics during the communion. After that announcement is made, some might mutter under their breath, "Am I really prepared?" Some will sit back on the pew because they're afraid.

The mass is a feast. The Bible says in the book of Isaiah:

Isaiah 25:6
[6]And in this mountain shall the LORD of hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things, a feast of wines on the lees, of fat things full of marrow, of wines on the lees well refined.


The mountain in that text is the church.


I write this for many to think and re-think again.

You that is responding on the contrary, think about how many times you have been held back while others go to the altar to receive the communion. You sit on the pew and condemn yourself because of your sins and faults when God has forgiven you after you've asked for mercy: for He says, "let us come boldly to the throne of grace that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help."

I am a Catholic, I've been in that situation countless times. If you say you haven't been in that situation, then you're not telling the truth.

You see, we've all sinned, and when we ask for God's mercy he says He is faithful and just to forgive us. And after we are forgiven, then we are made righteous again before God. And as such, fit to receive the communion: because if you're good to fellowship with God, then you're good to receive all that He presents in that fellowship.

1 John 1:3
[3]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

You have said it all.

But the question i was going to ask is, what if a catholic takes the communion when he or she is not fully prepared, what will happen?

Will the communion turn to poison or some spiritual misfortune that is making them scared to go and receive it in the first place?

AdeCityzen:
No, i'm always ready for it.

like, you always fulfil all the requirements or you know that you are forgiven in spite that you did not fullful some of the requirements?

AdeCityzen:
No, i'm always ready for it.

Ok, thank God you're always ready. But the question is: is that scenario plausible during mass?

paxonel:
like, you always fulfil all the requirements or you know that you are forgiven in spite that you did not fullful some of the requirements?

Yes, unless your understanding of the requirement is strange in my view of the dogma

ocnovakmichael:
Ok, thank God you're always ready. But the question is: is that scenario plausible during mass?

Yes it's

AdeCityzen:
Yes, unless your understanding of the requirement is strange in my view of the dogma

Sister, I have not deviated one bit from Catholic dogma. You see, I'm only pointing certain reality which you cannot deny.

I'm a Catholic, and since the day I knew these truths that I'm sharing, I have never missed the reception of the communion. But we cannot deny the fact that my argument is a reality amongst myriads of Catholics. You only need to look around you to see it, except you are not being frank before God.

ocnovakmichael:
Sister, I have not deviated one bit from Catholic dogma. You see, I'm only pointing certain reality which you cannot deny.

I'm a Catholic, and since the day I knew these truths that I'm sharing, I have never missed the reception of the communion. But we cannot deny the fact that my argument is a reality amongst myriads of Catholics. You only need to look around you to see it, except you are not being frank before God.

I'm a brother not a sister. Thank God you've not deviate from the catholic dogma. Please what are the reality you're talking about? And do you think this argument is necessary? It doesn't warrant this confusion, because as a christian we've an utmost heavenly target to achieve

AdeCityzen:
I'm a brother not a sister. Thank God you've not deviate from the catholic dogma. Please what are the reality you're talking about? And do you think this argument is necessary? It doesn't warrant this confusion, because as a christian we've an utmost heavenly target to achieve

Ok, brother. The reality is a picture I'm attempting to put on a frame. This writing is to the intent that many Catholics are held back by self condemnation where there is none. Jesus asked Mary of Mandala, when the elders of that day dropped their stones, has no man condemned you? And she replied in the affirmative, no one Lord.

How is it that the Eucharist that is supposed to be a feast and a blessing ,suddenly become one that would keep many in their sits during mass. Many condemn themselves even after they've asked God for mercy. To me that is unbelief right in the very presence of God. Because if many who are baptized and have been confirmed are sitter when the communion is going on, it means they do not believe Gid heard their prayer for mercy. It's that simple.

ocnovakmichael:
Ok, brother. The reality is a picture I'm attempting to put on a frame. This writing is to the intent that many Catholics are held back by self condemnation where there is none. Jesus asked Mary of Mandala, when the elders of that day dropped their stones, has no man condemned you? And she replied in the affirmative, no one Lord.

How is it that the Eucharist that is supposed to be a feast and a blessing ,suddenly become one that would keep many in their sits during mass. Many condemn themselves even after they've asked God for mercy. To me that is unbelief right in the very presence of God. Because if many who are baptized and have been confirmed are sitter when the communion is going on, it means they do not believe Gid heard their prayer for mercy. It's that simple.

Brother, he who decide to sit during communion lack faith in God or Satan overcome him to condemn himself. Satan is the reason behind all this cos he know the grace share in this sacramen

AdeCityzen:
Brother, he who decide to sit during communion lack faith in God or Satan overcome him to condemn himself. Satan is the reason behind all this cos he know the grace share in this sacramen

The question is is there someone to teach them their privileges in Christ? The Bible says, many perish for lack of knowledge: to me that scenario is typical.

If you begin to teach what I'm sharing here today in the church, many will talk you down.

AdeCityzen:
Yes, unless your understanding of the requirement is strange in my view of the dogma

This is what i know to be the requirements :
1. That you must be a baptized and confirmed catholic
2. You must confess your sins to the Priest
3. You must believe in transubstantiation(ie the bread substance as the body of Christ)
4. You must observe the Eucharist fasting
5. That you are not under excommunication

For No 2 above, what if from the look of things you didn't sin at all, is it necessary that you must go to the priest to confess something before knowing that you are ready for it?

Because one cannot tell when he or she has fallen into sin

paxonel:
This is what i know to be the requirements :
1. That you must be a baptized and confirmed catholic
2. You must confess your sins to the Priest
3. You must believe in transubstantiation(ie the bread substance as the body of Christ)
4. You must observe the Eucharist fasting
5. That you are not under excommunication

For No 2 above, what if from the look of things you didn't sin at all, is it necessary that you must go to the priest to confess something before knowing that you are ready for it?

Because one cannot tell when he or she has fallen into sin

Yes, it's necessary because it back by scripture which you know. We sin always bro, in our thoughts and in our words. I'm glad you're aware that it can be done at least once in a year

As Catholics we aught to stand on the integrity of God's Word, rather than our feelings and doctrines--doctrines are limiting!

Dtruthspeaker:
If you were truly sincere and just.you would have answered my question first, for i asked you first. That is what the rules of fair and reasonable debate states .

You asked whether God hears prayers made outside the confession or not. I have already answered that question by explaining to you that the announcement you heard in the Catholic Church does not in any way imply that God does not answer any prayer offered outside the confession. Therefore you are the one inventing the thought that God may not answer prayers offered outside the confession. The announcement in the Catholic Church does not in any way warrant that question from you. Now, answer my own question if you are sincere in this conversation.

Brothers, let's savoir the privileges we have in Christ and not be bound by fear, self condemnation, or unbelief towards God and His word. For it it written in scripture:

Romans 8:34
[34]Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

AdeCityzen:
depends, not everyone do their act of contrition perfectly. But during the communion as baptized catholics, you're given the chance again to feel sorrowful for you sin before going to eat the body of christ.

Can the church or anyone know if a person.has not done his act of contrition properly?

Is it not exclusively within God's Jurisdiction?

Can a baptized catholic not also be guilty of not doing his act of contrition properly?

And if a not catholic does his contrition properly, would the church give him the communion if they knew that he is a not catholic? (You know we know, they will not)

immortalcrown:
You asked whether God hears prayers made outside the confession or not. I have already answered that question by explaining to you that the announcement you heard in the Catholic Church does not in any way imply that God does not answer any prayer offered outside the confession. Therefore you are the one inventing the thought that God may not answer prayers offered outside the confession. The announcement in the Catholic Church does not in any way warrant that question from you. Now, answer my own question if you are sincere in this conversation.

It does imply that!

If the church truly believed that God hears their prayers for mercy and forgiveness even after 3 times, then it cannot create a discrimination and state.that only performing catholics should come out, leading to the thinkong that it is only performing catholics whom God hears their prayers and all others are rejects.

And your catholic brother here has already said so "as baptized catholics, you're given the chance again to feel sorrowful for you sin before going to eat the body of christ."

Meaning others do not feel sorrowful abi?

Clearly, it is a "my house, my rule thing".

There is so much confusion. All that's required to see it is a glance.