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| Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 3:00pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Jesus says: For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:37 vs Paul who says: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 3:23-24 Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! Romans 5:9 I tire for Paul o! Why does he have to always contradict Jesus? He didn't meet Jesus and was never taught or commissioned by him! How are we justified? By our words or by his blood or by grace? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 3:15pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:What does Paul mean by grace? Maybe then, we can understand the contradiction. |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 3:37pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:I don't have the Holy Spirit. Hopefully you that posses it will explain it. I will just encourage you to show us where Jesus defined grace as you wanna define for Paul through your own Holy Spirit! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 3:42pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:No....you should explain it....you claim there is a contradiction....so prove it by explaining what grace is. |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 3:47pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:OK the contradiction is clear! Jesus says justification is by our words likewise condemnation! Paul says Justification is by the grace of God... Paul says Justification is by the blood.... The grace is not even useful here! How are we Justified? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 3:48pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:So what does Paul mean by grace in that context? Could it include words and blood? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 3:58pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:We need a text in the Bible from Jesus to confirm it means blood and words! This is why i asked you to interpret at first! Na word twisting you won do! I will just encourage you to show us where Jesus defined grace as you wanna define for Paul through your own Holy Spirit! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Steep(m): 4:00pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:As ignorant as Mohammad, how come you Muslims always pray for alah's mercy? If you truly trust in your works you don't need alah's mercy 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 4:02pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Ok....I don't know.....please what is grace? Explain. |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 4:03pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Steep:Diversion! Sorry we work, hope and pray for Allah's mercy! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 4:04pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:Google is your Holy Spirit if you don't know what grace means! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 4:05pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:You could help me with Google and bring the information here |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 4:10pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:No, i can't! I am not your parents! Even your parents go don tire! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Steep(m): 4:11pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:why do you need alah's mercy if your works are what will save you. Or is Ala like those wicked people who refuse to pay those who work for them? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 4:13pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Lol....so since you don't know what grace is, how are you able to determine a contradiction? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 4:14pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Steep:Where did you see anyone say your work will save you? Did you see that in the OP? Abeg stay on the thread or go sleep! 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 4:16pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:You said you don't know too! So how will you determine it too? Except that you lied as you earlier related it to mean blood and word! Na Christian lie be that Angel Michael547  ! 1 Like |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Steep(m): 4:19pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:slave of alah, what else will save you if not your deeds? Or are you nw agreeing with prophet Paul that works cant save you? Oh I forgot you don't even know what grace is. Unfortunately alah can't save you. |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 4:19pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:I did not relate it to blood and word....I only asked a question. I said I don't know what grace is in that context. So please explain grace so that we can see the contradiction. You are the one who have made a claim on this thread. You are our teacher here. |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by StillDtruth: 4:49pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:See Madnesd even for simple thing like judgment again! As i have always said, you muslims are mad people. Just stick to your koran! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 4:51pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
Michael547:I no be your teacher o! Na you sabi! Make i answer others! You no get Holy Spirit wey fit answer the OP here! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 4:53pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:So you mean that you don't even know the meaning of grace? Why start the conversation in the first place? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by TenQ: 5:20pm On Jul 17, 2024 |
AntiChristian:If I understand you clearly A person is not guilty of fornication (as an example) if he says not a word! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 1:05pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
Michael547:Okay, Grace is (in Christian parlance) unmerited favor! Grace was never defined by Jesus but Paul. Paul started the concept of Grace! Ephesians 2:8-9: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast." 2 Corinthians 12:9: "But he said to me, 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.' Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me." |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 1:06pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
TenQ:What's the context of this? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by TenQ: 1:29pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Justification according to you as you claimed is Jesus says justification is by our words likewise condemnation!So, if you are correct, your understanding of Jesus teachings is that A person is not guilty of fornication (as an example) if he says not a word! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 3:02pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
AntiChristian:Alright....does Paul explanation of the concept of grace as you have quoted negates the fact that one can be justified by his or words on the day of judgment as stated by Jesus? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 5:25pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
Michael547:Never! How can you be justified by words, then word retranslated as grace which is also equal to blood...? This makes no sense! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by Michael547(m): 6:57pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
AntiChristian:So how do you know that a person cannot be justified by the three of them? |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by MightySparrow: 11:35pm On Jul 18, 2024 |
AntiChristian:All |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 6:58am On Jul 19, 2024 |
MightySparrow:Lies! |
| Re: Jesus Vs Paul Episode 9 – On Being Justified! by AntiChristian(op): 7:07am On Jul 19, 2024 |
Michael547:Jesus didn't mention the three! |
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