₦airaland Forum

Trial and error will not kill this government.

jchioma:
Advance influencing of the system.

You mean influence at the grassroots(LGs) levels where people would reel from its effect from their very homes, Yeah!

Nigeria can never get it right, Nigeria have a better laws but poorly implemented. Just imagine INEC conduct local group elections in Nigeria with the way things are going now, what will be the fate of state like porthacourt will Wike allow free and fair transparent election? It would have been better for INEC to conduct LG elections if federal might wouldn't be involved and it is impossible for a federal might not to be involved.

BERNIMOORE:
I am sure that you are not in tune with the fact that fubara hands are tied right now, he plans to conduct election to LG in october but just Today he was barred from conducting state cogresses...you miss this part... https://www.nairaland.com/8156098/court-bars-pdp-conducting-congress

This judgment has to do with PDP not conducting congress that will change the structure of the party.
It was Fubara men that secure the judgment cos wike men wanted to conduct congress using the list from wike so they can take over the party
Fubara is still conducting LG election

Kobojunkie:
More than half of Nigerians would disagree with you there.

2. Even if you served Tinubu himself a bowl of his politics to eat, he would refuse it. So why should the fact that you believe he understands politics matter to anyone?

It's not about who agreed or disagreed, but it's a fact. Look around you and see the opposition winning guber elections in several states.

On the other hand, RECs are willing tools in the hands of governors. Check 98% of LGA elections, the governor's party wins everything. It just goes to show lack of credibility.

I am not his fan, but Tinubu is doing a great job with the legislature and judiciary. These reforms are very critical for the future of this country.

yemre:
■ Is it not better...or you prefer the way governors trample on LGs and dictate how elections are conducted. They even decide which LG develops and which one doesn't!

Both options are terrible. Nigerians would rather have a system where the Governors are punished for usurping power and control, along with embezzling public funds. These are acts that violate the very Constitution. So, simply brushing that under the carpet to instead push power into the hands of FG creating a bigger power imbalance in the federation goes against democracy — it is illegal since the Constitution would need to be tampered with to make that happen.

iLoveYouToo:
The #1 cause of underdevelopment in Nigeria is the governors, it surprises me how anyone would want to support them.

They have been stealing LG funds since 1999. Some have consistently refused to conduct elections, accusing them of not knowing what to do with funds, yet turning around to loot those funds.

In 12 years governorship would be scrapped, they should getat


It’s better to empower 774 people than 36


Now the anti-graft agencies need to step their game up, daz all

God bless you man

BERNIMOORE:
Wike 3: Fubara 1

what concern Wike or fubara with the news

Kobojunkie:
There is no law prohibiting their impeachment and prosecution for these crimes.

2. Yes, they can be removed from office. The only officials protected by an immunity clause in Nigeria are the President, the Vice president, the Governors, and the Deputy Governor. Even at that, in the case, there is evidence of crimes committed during the office, they can all be impeached and then prosecuted for said crimes. The fact that Judiciaries are controlled by them should not matter since the Senate is the office responsible for handling impeachments and they, senators and reps, can be recalled by the electorate.

3. It is no factory reset! LG autonomy is what currently exists and has been bastardized by the greed of the Governors. The recent ruling instead is a shift of illegal power from the Governors to the FG. Yes, it is illegal what the Governors have been doing. Prescribing to have FG directly control LGs is also illegal since it contravenes what is currently contained in the Constitution. What needs to change is not the Constitution but the handling of issues of illegality and embezzlement.

You can’t prosecute a sitting governor even if he’s caught on tape


Since 1999 Nigeria has produced about 300 governorship tenures, how many have been impeached? School me here

Why have there been more Deputy governor impeachments than governors?

Senate handles impeachment of state governors? I’m confused here

‘What should be’ and ‘what is’ are two different things

The same rubbish posts like the one that was posted about 4 weeks ago that Tinubu has received a bill to get Nigeria back to regional governance... Fake news up and down

It's the governor that will still appoint local government chairman before inec conduct the election governor must still have upper hand.

Local government chairman will have more value now.

SmartPolician:
■ It's not about who agreed or disagreed, but it's a fact. Look around you and see the opposition winning guber elections in several states.
■ On the other hand, RECs are willing tools in the hands of governors. Check 98% of LGA elections, the governor's party wins everything. It just goes to show lack of credibility.

1. That is not what we are talking about here.

2. Well, the Governors illegally usurped power over the LGs so clearly to embezzle LG funds as well, they would need to manipulate their way into controlling the elected LGs. However, note that the setup is an illegal one to begin with. And it makes no sense to attempt to resolve an illegality with another illegality.

iLoveYouToo:
■ You can’t prosecute a sitting governor even if he’s caught on tape
■ Since 1999 Nigeria has produced at least 300 governors, how many have been impeached? School me here

Did you miss the part where I clearly said you would need to impeach and then prosecute?

2. About 6 have been impeached in the last 25 years, but none of them have been at the clear request of the Zombie electorates who actually have the power to make the request.

Let me be clear here. It is not about how many have been impeached but what the Law says about impeachment. So long as the Law allows for it, it can be done.

Oga go and sit down, is it the one doing by govs is the best in history? INEC might not be 100% but it will definitely be better than state INEC. You all are doing as if TINUBU will be president forever.

Kobojunkie:
Yes ooo! Because the most recent elections run by INEC were certified as the best in the nation's history too, right?

INEC that is incompetent

Fremodex:
Oga go and sit down, is it the one doing by govs is the best in history? INEC might not be 100% but it will be definitely be better that state INEC. You all are doing as if TINUBU will be president forever.

Does it occur to you that the reason why elections are shoddy at the State level has to do with the fact that INEC, the superior commission to the State commission, has a track record that leaves a lot to be questioned and so cannot even be called on to ensure elections at the state level are done to the book?

linearity:
This bill is dead on arrival!

Even if it passed the Senate & the House, it will not become law period!

Because there is no way 2/3rd of States would pass the bill which is required for it to become the law of the land.

If Tinubu can bypass the 2/3rd and change a national statue (anthem) which should be changed only through a constitutional amendment
And also
Bypass the 2/3rd and remove State LG Joint Account from the constitution through a court ruling

There's nothing more he cannot do

We are in animal farm, don't be surprised when you wake up tomorrow and see another underground change in the constitution

Hope you know this is reinforcing the unitary system?

If Nigeria never wanted a unitary system, there's no way Ironsi's decree 14 would have survived because he was killed 40 days after promulgating that decree

seanfer:
INEC has been the one conducting LGA elections until OBJ led govt use the LGA election to conpensate PDP Governors for supporting his second term ticket in 2003.

Kobojunkie:
There is no law prohibiting their impeachment and prosecution for these crimes.

2. Yes, they can be removed from office. The only officials protected by an immunity clause in Nigeria are the President, the Vice president, the Governors, and the Deputy Governor. Even at that, in the case, there is evidence of crimes committed during the office, they can all be impeached and then prosecuted for said crimes. The fact that Judiciaries are controlled by them should not matter since the Senate is the office responsible for handling impeachments and they, senators and reps, can be recalled by the electorate.

3. It is no factory reset! LG autonomy is what currently exists and has been bastardized by the greed of the Governors. The recent ruling instead is a shift of illegal power from the Governors to the FG. Yes, it is illegal what the Governors have been doing. Prescribing to have FG directly control LGs is also illegal since it contravenes what is currently contained in the Constitution. What needs to change is not the Constitution but the handling of issues of illegality and embezzlement.

What’s this control you’re talking about?

Does FG control the governors? If yes, why should they have a problem with the status quo if by extension they can also control LGs through the governors?

We know it all, FG doesn’t control the state governors and can’t do so through FAAC.


This supreme court ruling automatically empowers FG to bypass the governors and allocate these funds to the LGs.


State governors have always hidden behind and allowed FG to take the blame for everything, they don’t deserve LGs funds.

Buhari’s bailout to the states exposed them as evil, those funds were mismanaged


Like I stated earlier, they should getat

Kobojunkie:
Did you miss the part where I clearly said you would need to impeach and then prosecute?

2. About 6 have been impeached in the last 25 years, but none of them have been at the clear request of the Zombie electorates who actually have the power to make the request.

Let me be clear here. It is not about how many have been impeached but what the Law says about impeachment. So long as the Law allows for it, it can be done.

Clearly missing the point again, the statistics prove that governors are untouchable.

Ebigwei007:
Its finish already, nw the fed can nw becum lord of all, they will control the LGA's directly, leavinging the governors helpless

smh

iLoveYouToo:
■ Clearly missing the point again, the statistics prove that governors are untouchable.

Balderdash!

Ebigwei007:
Its finish already, nw the fed can nw becum lord of all, they will control the LGA's directly, leavinging the governors helpless

Still far better than, state lord over local govts.


Ur love for Obifraud would blindfold you to the extent that, you will throw baby with water.

ITbomb:
If Tinubu can bypass the 2/3rd and change a national statue (anthem) which should be changed only through a constitutional amendment
And also
Bypass the 2/3rd and remove State LG Joint Account from the constitution through a court ruling

There's nothing more he cannot do

We are in animal farm, don't be surprised when you wake up tomorrow and see another underground change in the constitution

If its something that would beneficials to all, let him do the magic.

Those who wrote the constitution, the did so in good faith no knowing the govs would use it to balkanise the system

Fiscus105:
∆ I f its something that would beneficials to all, let him do the magic.
Those who wrote the constitution, the did so in good faith no knowing the govs would use it to balkanise the system

Stop telling this lie! The Governors did not use the Constitution. Rather, they went against the Constitution in installing themselves as overlords over the LGs and funds belonging to the LGs.

Do you change the Law everytime someone breaks the Law? obviously the answer to that should be no. So, why recommend the law be changed in this case?

Good development

We are watching naively while the F.G tries to take more powers away from the second tier of government for themselves,we are being blinded by stupidity because they ( F.G) know we are stupid.

Killerofpigs:
Most TINUBU supporters are illiterates. This political dispensation exposed Yoruba literacy level as extremely poor and shallow

must you abuse a whole tribe b4 you mk a point?

Blazebond:
We are watching naively while the F.G tries to take more powers away from the second tier of government for themselves,we are being blinded by stupidity because they ( F.G) know we are stupid.

The second tier violated the Law when it installed itself as power and control over the LG which is by Law meant to be independent of both upper tiers.

Yes, I too believe this is an attempt by FG to usurp power over LGs, a move equally against the Law which stipulates the LG be independent of both State and FG.

AcuraZDX:
The way you guys rant ehh.

So if Fubara conducts election tomorrow and his camp clears it all, INEC will sack the LGA chairmen ?

Lol. I don't remember Fubara being a politician to have had grassroot supporters

Killerofpigs:
Most TINUBU supporters are illiterates. This political dispensation exposed Yoruba literacy level as extremely poor and shallow

Your problem is hatred and tribalism simple. No need to insult your tribe. It’s a waste of space.How Yoruba entered this discussion is just personal pettiness.