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In perhaps what is one of the most perplexing passages of the New Testament, we find a story during the alleged crucifixion of Jesus the Christ that challenges the very core of commonly held Christian beliefs about Christ and salvation.

We read from Luke 23:39-43 (NIV) the following:

39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”

40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”

42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

The Wahala

If we were to ask a confessional Christian today (one that knows of and adheres to the doctrinal confessions of the faith) what one needed to believe in for salvation, we would perhaps have a very long list. It would likely include belief that Jesus died for the sins of all, that Jesus was God, that Jesus was both man and God (belief in the hypostatic union), belief that the New Testament is the word of God, belief in the Godhead, in the Personhood of each member of the Godhead who were all co-equal and co-substantial to each other.

Yet the 5 verses from the Gospel eventually attributed to Luke present a severe theological problem that strikes at the very core of Christian theology. The question before us is, what did the thief say, believe and do to be granted salvation? When we examine the verses we can identify only two things:

1. That Jesus was an innocent man.

2. That Jesus was a King (or would become one at some point).

All the thief had to do to be granted salvation was to accept that Jesus was innocent and thus did not deserve to be crucified, and that Jesus would survive in some form such that he would become a king or have a kingdom. By this standard, all Muslims will be granted entry into the kingdom of God. The thief did not have to believe in the New Testament, did not have to accept the Old Testament, did not have to express belief in the Trinity, did not have to believe in the Godhead, did not have to believe in the two natures of Christ, did not have to even accept Jesus as the Messiah! He did not have to believe Jesus was the incarnate word of God, he did not have to believe that Jesus was the 2nd person in the Godhead…in other words, the thief did not have to believe in anything that Christians today hold to be true.

There is perhaps an even greater issue here. The thief claims that Jesus was innocent and thus did not deserve to be punished. See, Christians necessarily believe that while Jesus was innocent, he deserved to suffer and be punished, because he came to suffer for our sins as an act of grace:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” – John 3:16 (NIV).

“And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” – Luke 9:22 (NIV).

According to the above passages, Christ must suffer and must be killed. However, the thief on the cross, seemingly disagrees with these teachings. The thief explicitly says that not only is Jesus innocent, but that he did not deserve to die. In other words, the thief is expressing an Islamic position that Muslims would agree with. Jesus did not deserve to die, he did not deserve to suffer and he was an innocent man. In other words, Jesus rewards a thief and claims the thief would be in the Kingdom of God with him because he denied the core tenets of Christianity while affirming core beliefs of Islam.

The thief in no uncertain words explains that his crucifixion on the cross is justified, but Jesus’s isn’t, however, confessional Christians would argue that in order for sin to be paid, it had to be justified through the death of Jesus the Christ. This presents a problem for Christianity. Jesus rewards a man and accepts him into the Kingdom of God for expressively, clearly and absolutely, rejecting core Christian beliefs about salvation!

Comments by Scholars
These 5 verses deliver a devastating blow to the consistency of the doctrine of salvation in Christianity. These verses essentially approve of Islamic beliefs and indicate that Muslims according to Jesus…would be in the Kingdom of God, since we believe that he was innocent and that the alleged crucifixion was not justified in any way. These are things a Christian today cannot deny, these are things a Christian today has to believe in, yet a thief with Islamic beliefs only accepted two tenets, both of which agree with core Islamic beliefs, and was rewarded and praised by Jesus! The scholars have had difficulty in understanding these passages. It must first be noted that only one Gospel records this incident and this is the Gospel of Luke:

“Luke’s account is noticeably independent of the other three. The three sayings of Christ’s, round which his narrative is grouped, are preserved by him alone. We shall best grasp the dominant impression which the Evangelist unconsciously had himself received, and sought to convey, by gathering the whole round these three words from the Cross.” – MacLaren’s Expositions.

The other three Gospels are noticeably silent on the thieves, except for the case of demonizing them:

“In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.” – Matthew 27:44 (NIV).

“Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.” – Mark 15:32 (NIV).

The final Gospel, later attributed to John (which John, we don’t know), does not mention any of the words of the thieves, it does not even identify them as thieves or rebels. Instead, this is all the Gospel as to say:

“The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.” – John 19:32 (NIV).

Resolving the Wahala
Some Christian commentators (exegetes) have attempted to navigate around this narrative disaster by implying that the thief/ rebel had other beliefs, that he believed Jesus was a God or that Jesus was meant to die for his sins and thus was saved because of this. The problem with such an argument is that the only Gospel to mention this incident does not indicate any of these things. The Gospel does not indicate that the thief/ rebel believed in anything other than what was recorded. In other words, this is a poor attempt at reading between the lines and should therefore be rejected. If scripture is sufficient for understanding salvation, then the plain reading of these 5 passages should be accepted without having a need to insert anything into scripture, to force it to say something it does not.

Conclusion
These five passages are a disaster for any Christian who takes their faith seriously. Every core tenet that one needs to believe in to be considered a confessional Christian is necessarily discarded by the thief and approved of by Jesus himself. In fact, the very beliefs that Jesus was an innocent man and did not deserve to die, that his death is unjustifiable is an Islamic belief. Thus, there are two arguments to be claimed here:

1. According to Jesus, all one has to do to be granted entry into the Kingdom of God is to accept that Jesus is innocent and that his death was unjustified (which affirms Islam’s beliefs about Jesus). Therefore the beliefs of most Christians have been deemed unnecessary and useless by Jesus himself.

2. That belief in Jesus dying for the sins of the world is unjustified and that Jesus affirms this, thereby establishing that him dying does not acquit us of our sins (essentially refuting core Christian beliefs about the purpose behind Jesus’s death in the first place).

May God guide our Christian brothers and sisters to the truth of Jesus the Christ, which is to the Oneness of God.

and Allah knows best.

Nice one

AntiChristian:
In perhaps what is one of the most perplexing passages of the New Testament, we find a story during the alleged crucifixion of Jesus the Christ that challenges the very core of commonly held Christian beliefs about Christ and salvation.

We read from Luke 23:39-43 (NIV) the following:


The Wahala

If we were to ask a confessional Christian today (one that knows of and adheres to the doctrinal confessions of the faith) what one needed to believe in for salvation, we would perhaps have a very long list. It would likely include belief that Jesus died for the sins of all, that Jesus was God, that Jesus was both man and God (belief in the hypostatic union), belief that the New Testament is the word of God, belief in the Godhead, in the Personhood of each member of the Godhead who were all co-equal and co-substantial to each other.

You don't you don't even see your ignorance in all your post. The last time, I asked you to define grace you ran away.
You are like a man who doesn't know what a car is, but he argues with a driver because the driver said he can drive a car, does that makes sense?

1. The man certainly believe that Jesus was more than a mere man, that Jesus is a kingdom howbeit not an earthly king for him to ask Jesus to remember him even at the brink of death.

Yet the 5 verses from the Gospel eventually attributed to Luke present a severe theological problem that strikes at the very core of Christian theology. The question before us is, what did the thief say, believe and do to be granted salvation? When we examine the verses we can identify only two things:

1. That Jesus was an innocent man.

2. That Jesus was a King (or would become one at some point).

The thief believed that Jesus has power to forgive sin hence, believed Jesus was God.

Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

All the thief had to do to be granted salvation was to accept that Jesus was innocent and thus did not deserve to be crucified, and that Jesus would survive in some form such that he would become a king or have a kingdom. By this standard, all Muslims will be granted entry into the kingdom of God. The thief did not have to believe in the New Testament, did not have to accept the Old Testament, did not have to express belief in the Trinity, did not have to believe in the Godhead, did not have to believe in the two natures of Christ, did not have to even accept Jesus as the Messiah! He did not have to believe Jesus was the incarnate word of God, he did not have to believe that Jesus was the 2nd person in the Godhead…in other words, the thief did not have to believe in anything that Christians today hold to be true.

The theif recognized and called Jesus Lord, Is that not confessing Jesus, can you Muslims call Jesus Lord?

There is perhaps an even greater issue here. The thief claims that Jesus was innocent and thus did not deserve to be punished. See, Christians necessarily believe that while Jesus was innocent, he deserved to suffer and be punished, because he came to suffer for our sins as an act of grace:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” – John 3:16 (NIV).

“And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” – Luke 9:22 (NIV).

According to the above passages, Christ must suffer and must be killed. However, the thief on the cross, seemingly disagrees with these teachings. The thief explicitly says that not only is Jesus innocent, but that he did not deserve to die. In other words, the thief is expressing an Islamic position that Muslims would agree with. Jesus did not deserve to die, he did not deserve to suffer and he was an innocent man. In other words, Jesus rewards a thief and claims the thief would be in the Kingdom of God with him because he denied the core tenets of Christianity while affirming core beliefs of Islam.

The thief in no uncertain words explains that his crucifixion on the cross is justified, but Jesus’s isn’t, however, confessional Christians would argue that in order for sin to be paid, it had to be justified through the death of Jesus the Christ. This presents a problem for Christianity. Jesus rewards a man and accepts him into the Kingdom of God for expressively, clearly and absolutely, rejecting core Christian beliefs about salvation!

Comments by Scholars
These 5 verses deliver a devastating blow to the consistency of the doctrine of salvation in Christianity. These verses essentially approve of Islamic beliefs and indicate that Muslims according to Jesus…would be in the Kingdom of God, since we believe that he was innocent and that the alleged crucifixion was not justified in any way. These are things a Christian today cannot deny, these are things a Christian today has to believe in, yet a thief with Islamic beliefs only accepted two tenets, both of which agree with core Islamic beliefs, and was rewarded and praised by Jesus! The scholars have had difficulty in understanding these passages. It must first be noted that only one Gospel records this incident and this is the Gospel of Luke:



The other three Gospels are noticeably silent on the thieves, except for the case of demonizing them:

“In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.” – Matthew 27:44 (NIV).

“Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.” – Mark 15:32 (NIV).

The final Gospel, later attributed to John (which John, we don’t know), does not mention any of the words of the thieves, it does not even identify them as thieves or rebels. Instead, this is all the Gospel as to say:

“The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.” – John 19:32 (NIV).

Resolving the Wahala
Some Christian commentators (exegetes) have attempted to navigate around this narrative disaster by implying that the thief/ rebel had other beliefs, that he believed Jesus was a God or that Jesus was meant to die for his sins and thus was saved because of this. The problem with such an argument is that the only Gospel to mention this incident does not indicate any of these things. The Gospel does not indicate that the thief/ rebel believed in anything other than what was recorded. In other words, this is a poor attempt at reading between the lines and should therefore be rejected. If scripture is sufficient for understanding salvation, then the plain reading of these 5 passages should be accepted without having a need to insert anything into scripture, to force it to say something it does not.

Conclusion
These five passages are a disaster for any Christian who takes their faith seriously. Every core tenet that one needs to believe in to be considered a confessional Christian is necessarily discarded by the thief and approved of by Jesus himself. In fact, the very beliefs that Jesus was an innocent man and did not deserve to die, that his death is unjustifiable is an Islamic belief. Thus, there are two arguments to be claimed here:

1. According to Jesus, all one has to do to be granted entry into the Kingdom of God is to accept that Jesus is innocent and that his death was unjustified (which affirms Islam’s beliefs about Jesus). Therefore the beliefs of most Christians have been deemed unnecessary and useless by Jesus himself.

2. That belief in Jesus dying for the sins of the world is unjustified and that Jesus affirms this, thereby establishing that him dying does not acquit us of our sins (essentially refuting core Christian beliefs about the purpose behind Jesus’s death in the first place).

May God guide our Christian brothers and sisters to the truth of Jesus the Christ, which is to the Oneness of God.

and Allah knows best.

The theif believed Jesus has power over death and hell hence has the power to redeem him from the grave which power only God possess.

According to the jews sacrifice must be made to atone for he sins of people, yet the theif believe Jesus can atone for him hence believing in Jesus sacrifices.

In summary,
The thief believed Jesus as his Lord the one who has the can save him (saviour) hence receiving Jesus as his Messiah.
Muslims and indeed anyone can be saved if they like the theif on the cross received Jesus as their Lord like the thief did and believe in Jesus ability to save them irrespective of their sin like the thief did, if they believe Jesus is the true king whose kingdom is beyond this life.

Anyone one who believe this already believe Jesus is God and in his sacrifice, this is what is important for salvation.

The theif attributed the power and nature of Almighty God to Jesus christ by asking Jesus to remember him in his kingdom even though he himself was dying.

Do you Muslims believe the following about Jesus?
1. That he can Forgive sins?
2. That Jesus is a king whose kingdom is beyond this life?
3.That Jesus is your Lord and can save you irrespective of your works of righteousness?
4. He trusted that Jesus is true hence all of Jesus words are true and trustworthy.

If you do this then you become a Christian.

As for believe in the Trinity, you don't need to believe in the Trinity to be saved but after salvation you will understand other things such as the trinity, things about Jesus, his father, the holy spirit and his kingdom.
No, we Christians do not believe in three Gods, we believe in one God who is triune in person.
Jesus, the father and the Holy Spirit is the same God.

Hmmmmmmm Churchgoers don't understand this story but i will TEACH you.

Jesus is the promised Messiah who will rule the world {Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 2:44} so what the Bible writers meant by believing in Jesus as Lord is accepting his system of rule as he was teaching his listeners what he will not tolerate in his government.
You can accept Jesus as Lord by obeying what he says without anyone using weapons to force you.
Now this is what makes that thief an outstanding believer!

Others accepted Jesus because they saw him perform miracles and heard him teach {Matthew 16:16} but this thief knew Jesus did nothing wrong {Luke 23:40-41} and was accused right there by their wicked religious leaders that he claimed he's the Christ while he is hearing them {Matthew 27:40-43} Jesus is dying on the torture stake yet this man looked into his eyes and acknowledged Jesus as Lord!

Ọmọ begging a dying man not to forget him in his kingdom has said it all, it means this thief has accepted Jesus as Christ (Messiah) who will rule as king just as Isaiah and Daniel prophesied. What more does this man need to believe if not the promised king?

So Jesus gave his a Visa to Paradise where this thief will be helped to learn all the things he needs to know about everlasting life during the 1,000 years reign under the kingdom of Christ!

AntiChristian:
May God guide our Christian brothers and sisters to the truth of Jesus the Christ, which is to the Oneness of God.

and Allah knows best.

Mad muslim no repentance for you.YOU SHALL GO TO HELL AND GOD WILL PUNISH YOU FOREVER AND EVER!

Your case is not like the thief so, don't even hope you blasphemer son of satan.

AntiChristian:
In perhaps what is one of the most perplexing passages of the New Testament, we find a story during the alleged crucifixion of Jesus the Christ that challenges the very core of commonly held Christian beliefs about Christ and salvation.

We read from Luke 23:39-43 (NIV) the following:


The Wahala

If we were to ask a confessional Christian today (one that knows of and adheres to the doctrinal confessions of the faith) what one needed to believe in for salvation, we would perhaps have a very long list. It would likely include belief that Jesus died for the sins of all, that Jesus was God, that Jesus was both man and God (belief in the hypostatic union), belief that the New Testament is the word of God, belief in the Godhead, in the Personhood of each member of the Godhead who were all co-equal and co-substantial to each other.

Yet the 5 verses from the Gospel eventually attributed to Luke present a severe theological problem that strikes at the very core of Christian theology. The question before us is, what did the thief say, believe and do to be granted salvation? When we examine the verses we can identify only two things:

1. That Jesus was an innocent man.

2. That Jesus was a King (or would become one at some point).

All the thief had to do to be granted salvation was to accept that Jesus was innocent and thus did not deserve to be crucified, and that Jesus would survive in some form such that he would become a king or have a kingdom. By this standard, all Muslims will be granted entry into the kingdom of God. The thief did not have to believe in the New Testament, did not have to accept the Old Testament, did not have to express belief in the Trinity, did not have to believe in the Godhead, did not have to believe in the two natures of Christ, did not have to even accept Jesus as the Messiah! He did not have to believe Jesus was the incarnate word of God, he did not have to believe that Jesus was the 2nd person in the Godhead…in other words, the thief did not have to believe in anything that Christians today hold to be true.

There is perhaps an even greater issue here. The thief claims that Jesus was innocent and thus did not deserve to be punished. See, Christians necessarily believe that while Jesus was innocent, he deserved to suffer and be punished, because he came to suffer for our sins as an act of grace:

“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” – John 3:16 (NIV).

“And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” – Luke 9:22 (NIV).

According to the above passages, Christ must suffer and must be killed. However, the thief on the cross, seemingly disagrees with these teachings. The thief explicitly says that not only is Jesus innocent, but that he did not deserve to die. In other words, the thief is expressing an Islamic position that Muslims would agree with. Jesus did not deserve to die, he did not deserve to suffer and he was an innocent man. In other words, Jesus rewards a thief and claims the thief would be in the Kingdom of God with him because he denied the core tenets of Christianity while affirming core beliefs of Islam.

The thief in no uncertain words explains that his crucifixion on the cross is justified, but Jesus’s isn’t, however, confessional Christians would argue that in order for sin to be paid, it had to be justified through the death of Jesus the Christ. This presents a problem for Christianity. Jesus rewards a man and accepts him into the Kingdom of God for expressively, clearly and absolutely, rejecting core Christian beliefs about salvation!

Comments by Scholars
These 5 verses deliver a devastating blow to the consistency of the doctrine of salvation in Christianity. These verses essentially approve of Islamic beliefs and indicate that Muslims according to Jesus…would be in the Kingdom of God, since we believe that he was innocent and that the alleged crucifixion was not justified in any way. These are things a Christian today cannot deny, these are things a Christian today has to believe in, yet a thief with Islamic beliefs only accepted two tenets, both of which agree with core Islamic beliefs, and was rewarded and praised by Jesus! The scholars have had difficulty in understanding these passages. It must first be noted that only one Gospel records this incident and this is the Gospel of Luke:



The other three Gospels are noticeably silent on the thieves, except for the case of demonizing them:

“In the same way the rebels who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.” – Matthew 27:44 (NIV).

“Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.” – Mark 15:32 (NIV).

The final Gospel, later attributed to John (which John, we don’t know), does not mention any of the words of the thieves, it does not even identify them as thieves or rebels. Instead, this is all the Gospel as to say:

“The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.” – John 19:32 (NIV).

Resolving the Wahala
Some Christian commentators (exegetes) have attempted to navigate around this narrative disaster by implying that the thief/ rebel had other beliefs, that he believed Jesus was a God or that Jesus was meant to die for his sins and thus was saved because of this. The problem with such an argument is that the only Gospel to mention this incident does not indicate any of these things. The Gospel does not indicate that the thief/ rebel believed in anything other than what was recorded. In other words, this is a poor attempt at reading between the lines and should therefore be rejected. If scripture is sufficient for understanding salvation, then the plain reading of these 5 passages should be accepted without having a need to insert anything into scripture, to force it to say something it does not.

Conclusion
These five passages are a disaster for any Christian who takes their faith seriously. Every core tenet that one needs to believe in to be considered a confessional Christian is necessarily discarded by the thief and approved of by Jesus himself. In fact, the very beliefs that Jesus was an innocent man and did not deserve to die, that his death is unjustifiable is an Islamic belief. Thus, there are two arguments to be claimed here:

1. According to Jesus, all one has to do to be granted entry into the Kingdom of God is to accept that Jesus is innocent and that his death was unjustified (which affirms Islam’s beliefs about Jesus). Therefore the beliefs of most Christians have been deemed unnecessary and useless by Jesus himself.

2. That belief in Jesus dying for the sins of the world is unjustified and that Jesus affirms this, thereby establishing that him dying does not acquit us of our sins (essentially refuting core Christian beliefs about the purpose behind Jesus’s death in the first place).

May God guide our Christian brothers and sisters to the truth of Jesus the Christ, which is to the Oneness of God.

and Allah knows best.

Here is a Lost Deceived Soul and Slave of Mohammed and Allah doing everything to show that Allah made a mistake in the Qur'an by calling the same scripture he rejects as the Remembrance and that our scripture is Confirmed.


Can this slave of the flesh explain why one of the Thieves said to a fellow dying man on the cross

Luke 23:42
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”


If your brain has not been enslaved by Mohammed and his servant Allah, how come Jesus guaranteed him a space in paradise


Luke 23:42
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”


If Jesus truly guaranteed a man space in paradise, you are in Trouble as the Best Deceiver, the Al-Makr has deceived you.



All these to distract from the fact that your lies about the Qur'an is made public.

So, who is correct?
MaxinDhouse or TenQ?

Let me try..

In one of Jesus parables he told a story about a land owner who went out looking for labourers to work in his field. He found some in the morning, who he promised to pay 12 denarius, some in the afternoon for same payment and some in the evening for same amount...after the days work, he paired the ones who came in the evening 12d, the ones who came in the afternoon 12 d, when he came to does who worked the morning shift, they where expecting more, but they still got 12 d.As expected, they grumbled....
So, no matter when you encounter the jman. You will get the same price. I heard from a reliable source that osama bin ladin gave his life to Jesus before seal team 6 left the bullet in his forehead..I guess he is in some heaven now....
A heaven that exist in the head of the sheepie..
When we die our spirit returns to God and our body is buried to return to dust.
Ecclesiastes 12:7

sonmvayina:
a land owner who went out looking for labourers to work in his field. He found some in the morning, who he promised to pay 12 denarius, some in the afternoon for same payment and some in the evening for same amount...after the days work, he paired the ones who came in the evening 12d, the ones who came in the afternoon 12 d, when he came to does who worked the morning shift, they where expecting more, but they still got 12 d.As expected, they grumbled....

Jesus used this parable to teach the Jews that God's purpose for mankind to live forever on Paradise earth {Psalms 37:29} is for all races so the Jews shouldn't assume that there is any extra blessing apart from everlasting life.

Regarding the timing of the workers this is the meaning:

From the time of Abel to Noah there were righteous people SERVING God.
From the time of Abraham to time of David, to the time of minor prophets, to the days of John the baptist, to the time of the early Christians, till our day.

The only promise God made for righteousness is everlasting life and nothing more.

But the first century Jewish religious leaders felt slighted they assumed something special should be given to Jews since they have been through all the laws unlike people of other nations who just came into the Abrahamic covenant through faith in the Messiah.

So instead of rejoicing with others that God is fulfilling His promises through Abrahamic covenant they got provoked claiming they're supposed to get something more than just the promise of everlasting life!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus used this parable to teach the Jews that God's purpose for mankind to live forever on Paradise earth {Psalms 37:29} is for all races so the Jews shouldn't assume that there is any extra blessing apart from everlasting life.

Regarding the timing of the workers this is the meaning:

From the time of Abel to Noah there were righteous people SERVING God.
From the time of Abraham to time of David, to the time of minor prophets, to the days of John the baptist, to the time of the early Christians, till our day.

The only promise God made for righteousness is everlasting life and nothing more.

But the first century Jewish religious leaders felt slighted they assumed something special should be given to Jews since they have been through all the laws unlike people of other nations who just came into the Abrahamic covenant through faith in the Messiah.

So instead of rejoicing with others that God is fulfilling His promises through Abrahamic covenant they got provoked claiming they're supposed to get something more than just the promise of everlasting life!

If you don't have something to do, you can just watch the Olympics...

All these that does not make an iota of sense is not helping your course...

sonmvayina:
If you don't have something to do, you can just watch the Olympics...All these that does not make an iota of sense is not helping your course...

Your PERSONAL opinion!

MaxInDHouse:
Your PERSONAL opinion!

How those these stuff. You Post make any sense to you. Don't you think them through first and see if they are logical before class coming submit?

sonmvayina:
How those these stuff. You Post make any sense to you. Don't you think them through first and see if they are logical before class coming submit?

Who defines logic here?
You or what is working out benefits everyone could see?

MaxInDHouse:
Who defines logic here?
You or what is working out benefits everyone could see?

How is that crap beneficial..?

sonmvayina:
How is that crap beneficial..?

Tell me what your so called KNOWLEDGE has achieved among the adherents and i will tell you what God said about Jesus' true disciples in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

So if you don't see the BENEFITS the whole world can see it! Isaiah 48:17-18

MaxInDHouse:
Tell me what your so called KNOWLEDGE has achieved among the adherents and i will tell you what God said about Jesus' true disciples in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and Micah 4:1-3

So if you don't see the BENEFITS the whole world can see it! Isaiah 48:17-18

Isaiah and Micah were talking about those who obey the Torah. Not those who practice idolatry...

So it can never ever refer to you or JW..

sonmvayina:
Isaiah and Micah were talking about those who obey the Torah. Not those who practice idolatry...
So it can never ever refer to you or JW..

Oya present any global organization that fits into that description or any religion that has ever been in history that fits into that description apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:
Oya present any global organization that fits into that description or any religion that has ever been in history that fits into that description apart from Jehovah's Witnesses!

I don't know why you are so obsessed on being a member of an organisation.
Every body who is not a Christian which include Jehovah's witnesses, islam, al, obey and follow the Torah....that would be billions of people...we don't need to belong to a cult. We just obey it in our daily lives...

sonmvayina:
I don't know why you are so obsessed on being a member of an organisation.
Every body who is not a Christian which include Jehovah's witnesses, islam, al, obey and follow the Torah....that would be billions of people...we don't need to belong to a cult. We just obey it in our daily lives...

Oya present those obeying it and what they're able to achieve in obeying it nah!

Abi you're just crying OBEY! OBEY!! OBEY!!! for no purpose?

Ọmọ if you're physically in something but mentally out i'm not o!

sonmvayina:
Was like this while I was in London, came back 2years ago.. Things changed, now married to a lady that was raised by a Bishop.. It is hard to avoid Sunday mass, but for me now it is PIMO.. Physicality in mentally out..

MaxInDHouse:
Oya present those obeying it and what they're able to achieve in obeying it nah!

Abi you're just crying OBEY! OBEY!! OBEY!!! for no purpose?

Ọmọ if you're physically in something but mentally out i'm not o!

That was in the beginning...
Just had to please her...but not anymore

sonmvayina:
That was in the beginning...
Just had to please her...but not anymore

Well i have never ever buried my mentality for someone else because i'm a honest man not a scammer!

TenQ:
Here is a Lost Deceived Soul and Slave of Mohammed and Allah doing everything to show that Allah made a mistake in the Qur'an by calling the same scripture he rejects as the Remembrance and that our scripture is Confirmed.

Incorrigible abusive Christian just like the Biblical Jesus!

Can this slave of the flesh explain why one of the Thieves said to a fellow dying man on the cross

Luke 23:42
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

Which Kingdom? Person wey no fit stop himself from death go get kingdom?

If your brain has not been enslaved by Mohammed and his servant Allah, how come Jesus guaranteed him a space in paradise

Luke 23:42
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

This is punctuation effect!

1. "Truly, I tell you: today, you will be with me in paradise."
- Emphasizes the certainty of the statement being made and the immediate timeframe of "today" for being in paradise.

2. "Truly, I tell you today: you will be with me in paradise."
- Highlights that the message being conveyed is true and relevant for the current day, with a focus on the future event of being in paradise.

3. "Truly, I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise."
- Directly informs the listener that the speaker is sharing a truthful message on the same day about the future event of being together in paradise.

4. "Truly, I tell you: today you will be with me in paradise."
- Places emphasis on the immediacy of the day ("today" for the listener to be in paradise, affirming the certainty of the statement.

5. "Truly, I tell you today: you will be with me in paradise."
- Indicates that the speaker is sharing a true message on the current day regarding the future event of being together in paradise.

6. "Truly, I tell you today you will be with me in paradise."
- Conveys a straightforward message without additional punctuation marks, stating that the listener will be in paradise with the speaker on the same day as the message is being delivered.

But Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day but hell!

If Jesus truly guaranteed a man space in paradise, you are in Trouble as the Best Deceiver, the Al-Makr has deceived you.

All these to distract from the fact that your lies about the Qur'an is made public.

Anyways our God no dey die sha!

StillDtruth:
Mad muslim no repentance for you.YOU SHALL GO TO HELL AND GOD WILL PUNISH YOU FOREVER AND EVER!

Your case is not like the thief so, don't even hope you blasphemer son of satan.

It pains you!
Don't commit suicide o!

AntiChristian:
Incorrigible abusive Christian just like the Biblical Jesus!

Abuse you!!?
How!?

AntiChristian:
Which Kingdom? Person wey no fit stop himself from death go get kingdom?

It is understandable that Allah is a physical being just like the Islamic heaven.
Muslims will tell lies just to defend Islam: was Jesus speaking of this earthly kingdom?

John 18:36:
"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

AntiChristian:
This is punctuation effect!

1. "Truly, I tell you: today, you will be with me in paradise."
- Emphasizes the certainty of the statement being made and the immediate timeframe of "today" for being in paradise.

2. "Truly, I tell you today: you will be with me in paradise."
- Highlights that the message being conveyed is true and relevant for the current day, with a focus on the future event of being in paradise.

3. "Truly, I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise."
- Directly informs the listener that the speaker is sharing a truthful message on the same day about the future event of being together in paradise.

4. "Truly, I tell you: today you will be with me in paradise."
- Places emphasis on the immediacy of the day ("today" for the listener to be in paradise, affirming the certainty of the statement.

5. "Truly, I tell you today: you will be with me in paradise."
- Indicates that the speaker is sharing a true message on the current day regarding the future event of being together in paradise.

6. "Truly, I tell you today you will be with me in paradise."
- Conveys a straightforward message without additional punctuation marks, stating that the listener will be in paradise with the speaker on the same day as the message is being delivered.

But Jesus didn't go to Paradise that day but hell!

Let's assume it was a punctuation factor as you have copied from the JW doctrine (I hope you wouldn't mind if I use the Ahmadiyya doctrine for you)

Can any man guarantee a place in paradise for another person?

AntiChristian:
Anyways our God no dey die sha!

Here I agree with you:
Allah cannot die without ceasing to exist !

But the God who created Death can experience His creation without ceasing to exist and without ceasing to be the Almighty.
Too bad for you as this shows how limited Allah is in power.


You know that I had previously scattered your Taoheed to show that Allah is not Omnipresent, nor Omnipotent nor Omniscient. It makes Allah at best like Iblis in everything. This is another evidence!

So much that just as any normal man on earth Allah cannot have a child UNLESS he has a girlfriend. But we know that the True God doesn't need such a requirement: Is it untrue that Mary gave birth to a child without a man.

Too bad for you!

MaxInDHouse:
Well i have never ever buried my mentality for someone else because i'm a honest man not a scammer!

Really??

AntiChristian:
It pains you!
Don't commit suicide o!

You will die by suicide, murder, accident, hunger, cancer long long before me! God punish you both on earth and in the grave and forever!

sonmvayina:
Really??

Sure!

StillDtruth:
You will die by suicide, murder, accident, hunger, cancer long long before me! God punish you both on earth and in the grave and forever!

No be by your will but God's!

You never know how you go die!
All your curses back to you and your generations!

God told Abram according to your Bible
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. Gen 12:13

As you dey curse me one by one it will bounce back and your God will be cursing you one by one in a million folds!

Cos you no dey hear word!

Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you will be judged.

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:44

AntiChristian:
No be by your will but God's!.

As you dey curse me one by one it will bounce back and your God will be cursing you one by one in a million folds

And God don already show us His Will be say bad bad things go dey fire devils like you. Calamity upon calamity go dey burn you and your house everyday, no matta d juju wey you keep for house. And for blasphemer, e go dey worse. God Curse and Punish you and your house and lineage forever all of una go wipe out like God take do to the Amelekite and co.

StillDtruth:
And God don already show us His Will be say bad bad things go dey fire devils like you. Calamity upon calamity go dey burn you and your house everyday, no matta d juju wey you keep for house. And for blasphemer, e go dey worse. God Curse and Punish you and your house and lineage forever all of una go wipe out like God take do to the Amelekite and co.

You Sabi quote anything! Na just to curse and abuse others be your own Christianity! You're ignorant and arrogant combined!

AntiChristian:
No be by your will but God's!

You never know how you go die!
All your curses back to you and your generations!

God told Abram according to your Bible
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. Gen 12:13

As you dey curse me one by one it will bounce back and your God will be cursing you one by one in a million folds!

Cos you no dey hear word!

Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you will be judged.

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:44

AntiChristian:
You Sabi quote anything! Na just to curse and abuse others be your own Christianity! You're ignorant and arrogant combined!

Who no know say God hate evil people like you well well and.them they always get one calamity and another wey dem dey always enter and get?

Provs 3:33
The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked:

Leviticus 24:16 : And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death.

Evil and calamity shall never depart from your house and God shall punish you forever and ever.

StillDtruth:
Who no know say God hate evil people like you well well and.them they always get one calamity and another wey dem dey always enter and get?

Provs 3:33
The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked:

Leviticus 24:16 : And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death.

Evil and calamity shall never depart from your house and God shall punish you forever and ever.

1. I am not wicked. You are the wicked one one cursing, abusing and wishing people who doesn't agree with you death!

2. I don't think I mentioned the name of the LORD anywhere here to commit blasphemy so that your lie no enter! And it is not blasphemy to say the truth.

AntiChristian:
No be by your will but God's!

You never know how you go die!
All your curses back to you and your generations!

God told Abram according to your Bible
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you. Gen 12:13

As you dey curse me one by one it will bounce back and your God will be cursing you one by one in a million folds!

Cos you no dey hear word!

Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you will be judged.

But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, Matthew 5:44