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Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Busybrain2233: 10:53pm On Jul 31, 2024*

Steep:
No, The big bang was not a theory only for the observable universe, so far all evidences goes against the eternality of the universe.
It is part of what what what God is. I laugh when people ask "who created God" it is like asking why is rectangle not circular?

You question " is there being greater than God" is like asking is there a number greater than infinity or is there a time greater than eternity? You also ask is there a colour whiter than white?
If there is being greater than God or if God was created then God wouldn't be God.

God by basic definition is eternal, uncreated, spaceless, uncaused cause of all creation and of course absolute power.

Since God is not part of space-time then logically you don't expect God to be proven with the scientific method the way material things are proven rather God reveals himself.

You didn't answer my questions you were only reiterating your thoughts about God and the universe, I can't seem to perceive any knowledge in what you just wrote rather I perceive mere thoughts.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Kingsempires(m): 11:17pm On Jul 31, 2024

Busybrain2233:
You didn't answer my questions you were only reiterating your thoughts about God and the universe, I can't seem to perceive any knowledge in what you just wrote rather I passive mere thoughts.

this is where it get confusing because no one can give you clear answer of if God exist.like i said is only the one that have faith believe that there is God

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Busybrain2233: 11:19pm On Jul 31, 2024

The God concept is a belief system hence no one has knowledge about him/her/it.

Kingsempires:
this is where it get confusing because no one can give you clear answer of if God exist.like i said is only the one that have faith believe that there is God

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Kingsempires(m): 11:24pm On Jul 31, 2024

Busybrain2233:
The God concept is a belief system hence no one has knowledge about him/her/it.

hmmm!!!

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Steep(m): 6:30am On Aug 01, 2024

Busybrain2233:
You didn't answer my questions you were only reiterating your thoughts about God and the universe, I can't seem to perceive any knowledge in what you just wrote rather I perceive mere thoughts.

you questions were answered.
For you ask if God was created is because you placing God in the category of created things in which case contradicting the definition of what God is.
As for prove, scientists work by evidence, you only have proofs in Mathematics.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Steep(m): 6:35am On Aug 01, 2024

Busybrain2233:
The God concept is a belief system hence no one has knowledge about him/her/it.

The evidence proves that there is an immaterial spaceless and timesless being the created the universe. Evidence proves the universe (matter and space-time) had a beginning. Meaning whatever caused the universe into being is immaterial, spaceless and timeless, this is the basic definition of God.
It is an illogical belief to assume the universe is eternal and also illogical to belief that the universe was created by nothing.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Busybrain2233: 7:36am On Aug 01, 2024

SMH

Steep:
you questions were answered.
For you ask if God was created is because you placing God in the category of created things in which case contradicting the definition of what God is.
As for prove, scientists work by evidence, you only have proofs in Mathematics.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by Busybrain2233: 7:38am On Aug 01, 2024

What evidence are you talking about? Hope you know what an evidence means?

Steep:
The evidence proves that there is an immaterial spaceless and timesless being the created the universe. Evidence proves the universe (matter and space-time) had a beginning. Meaning whatever caused the universe into being is immaterial, spaceless and timeless, this is the basic definition of God.
It is an illogical belief to assume the universe is eternal and also illogical to belief that the universe was created by nothing.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 8:16am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
So why do u pray?

Simple!

I subsribed to God being my Ruler, Governmemt, Father.and all so i have a right to direct my prayers to Him.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 8:17am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
So it wasn't your parents that made u?

If parents could make babies there would be nothing like barreness.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 8:23am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
Fallacy/Objection!

Presumptive Question.
Must the universe be created?

Fallacy/Objection:
You have changed Post. The issue you raised was "Who created god?" Not Universe.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 8:38am On Aug 01, 2024

FRANCISTOWN:
Exactly how God could not have made himself.

Who Said God made Himself?

1) And Fallacy/Objection for being presumptive and speculative.

It is clear and evident and known that no human created himself.

But it is fallacious, over reaching and presumptive for you or anyone to say that because you were created therfore God was created. Even you yourself know that this is a very big invalid argument.

2) The topic is our proof of God in relation and connection to us.

And not the proof of how God came to be , so.you are moving the post!

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 8:46am On Aug 01, 2024

Busybrain2233:
The God concept is a belief system hence no one has knowledge about him/her/it.

Everything is a belief system if we go by your thinking as proven by Obi dients believing that Tinubu is not the president.

Secondly, do creations know everything about their maker? Do you expect your A.I mannequin to know everything about you?

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 8:48am On Aug 01, 2024

Kingsempires:
this is where it get confusing because no one can give you clear answer of if God exist.like i said is only the one that have faith believe that there is God

You Lie!

I have been giving clear answers and you have been running away!

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 8:53am On Aug 01, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Calm your nerves and learn!

Constantine hijacked the group that apostates formed by the time Constantine walked the earth Christianity has disappeared completely!

Oh really. So has it reappeared?

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 8:54am On Aug 01, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Have you seen it happening here?
If it's not happening here you can't accuse JWs here of what isn't happening here!

So u have to see it happening in Nigeria before u believe?
So did you see priests molesting kids in Nigeria before you believe that any priest molested a child?

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Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 8:56am On Aug 01, 2024

Kingsempires:
this is where it get confusing because no one can give you clear answer of if God exist.like i said is only the one that have faith believe that there is God

Exactly. But your fellow christians make it seem as if the evidence if everywhere and atheists are mad for doubting

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 8:57am On Aug 01, 2024

Steep:
you questions were answered.
For you ask if God was created is because you placing God in the category of created things in which case contradicting the definition of what God is.
As for prove, scientists work by evidence, you only have proofs in Mathematics.

Can you prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist?

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 8:58am On Aug 01, 2024

Steep:
The evidence proves that there is an immaterial spaceless and timesless being the created the universe. Evidence proves the universe (matter and space-time) had a beginning. Meaning whatever caused the universe into being is immaterial, spaceless and timeless, this is the basic definition of God.
It is an illogical belief to assume the universe is eternal and also illogical to belief that the universe was created by nothing.

Have you heard of the god of the gap phenomenon?

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 8:59am On Aug 01, 2024

StillDtruth:
Simple!

I subsribed to God being my Ruler, Governmemt, Father.and all so i have a right to direct my prayers to Him.

Please look at my question and try again. You went off point, as usual

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Re: When I Became An Atheist. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:01am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
Oh really. So has it reappeared?

Look around you now.

Has there ever been a religious group:
Where none of their m members is carrying weapons because their founder objects to such? Matthew 26:52

Preaching and teaching zealously from house to house and door to door? Matthew 10:12-13; Luke 10:5

That love their members just as their founder loves them? John 13:34-35

YES! Christianity has reappeared because Jesus returned in the year 1914 just as he said that by the time he returns there will not be found the faith he established back in the first century! Luke 18:8

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 9:03am On Aug 01, 2024

StillDtruth:
If parents could make babies there would be nothing like barreness.

Parents can make babies by having sex. They start the actual motion when the man ejaculates inside and release semen. Whatever happens then is outside their jurisdiction.
Now ejaculation doesn't always mean fertilization. A lot of things can go wrong, from azospermia, oligospermia etc. Also the woman may not be ovulating or her tubes are blocked. These factors contribute to infertility. But if these factors are together, fertilization occurs and a baby happens.
So yes, the baby was made by the parents, not any god

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 9:04am On Aug 01, 2024

StillDtruth:
Fallacy/Objection:
You have changed Post. The issue you raised was "Who created god?" Not Universe.

Do you know what an analogy is?

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 9:05am On Aug 01, 2024

StillDtruth:
Everything is a belief system if we go by your thinking as proven by Obi dients believing that Tinubu is not the president.

Secondly, do creations know everything about their maker? Do you expect your A.I mannequin to know everything about you?

Many AI/robots know they are made. In fact, if you ask them they'll tell you

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 9:07am On Aug 01, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Look around you now.

Has there ever been a religious group:
Where none of their m members is carrying weapons because their founder objects to such? Matthew 26:52

Preaching and teaching zealously from house to house and door to door? Matthew 10:12-13; Luke 10:5

That love their members just as their founder loves them? John 13:34-35

YES! Christianity has reappeared because Jesus returned in the year 1914 just as he said that by the time he returns there will not be found the faith he established back in the first century! Luke 18:8

So a religion disappears and responses. Whoa.
So where did russell get his Bible from

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:07am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
So u have to see it happening in Nigeria before u believe?
So did you see priests molesting kids in Nigeria before you believe that any priest molested a child?

Have i accused Catholics of molesting kids?

Note all my posts and try to see if i ever mention that.

Do you know why?

Because pedophilia is peculiar to some parts of the earth not all so it makes no practical sense accusing a religious group of what is only happening in some places whereas it's not happening in all the places where the religion is established.

One thing i speak against other religions is their involvement in WARS because if they believe in GOD who is SUPREME such a God supposed to help them settle their disparities peacefully among themselves as their supreme RULER.

But pointing accusing finger at a religion due to the imperfection of human makes no sense after all they were sinners before we preached to them!

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 9:08am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
Please look at my question and try again. You went off point, as usual

I think it is becaise you do not know amd appreciate what prayer means, which is why you do not appreciate the "why".

If you have a specific meaning in mind, then you are duty bound to make it clear if you think my response did not meet your question.

And remember your question has already gone off point the topic of the thread, so i do not what you have in mind when you asked this question.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 9:20am On Aug 01, 2024*

jaephoenix:
Many AI/robots know they are made. In fact, if you ask them they'll tell you

No they didnt.

The weakness and shortcoming of your A.i is that it is incapable of growing and learning. That one has not yet been created,

So, it is still a robot and just a library robot. It does not know nor comprehends nor understands nor even needs the information it has been fed and loaded with like a library by its creator.

It does not even know the value of the information it carries nor does it need it.

It is stiil the man who created it who still needs and uses the information it carries.

Unlike what God did in creating us. We know the value of information and we live on it. So your A.i robots are still not different from the mannequins and hangers in the shops at Balogum market.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 9:35am On Aug 01, 2024*

jaephoenix:
Do you know what an analogy is?

Every analogy must still be on the point of the issue of the debate. No deviation or departure is allowed!

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by StillDtruth: 9:46am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
Parents can make babies by having sex. They start the actual motion when the man ejaculates inside and release semen. Whatever happens then is outside their jurisdiction.
Now ejaculation doesn't always mean fertilization. A lot of things can go wrong, from azospermia, oligospermia etc. Also the woman may not be ovulating or her tubes are blocked. These factors contribute to infertility. But if these factors are together, fertilization occurs and a baby happens.
So yes, the baby was made by the parents, not any god

See, the bold has proven that they are not able to for.when they wanted to make jollof rice, soap, mannequins of cars they made them everytime.

And there was nothing that was out of their jurisdiction, hands and power.

So, there wouldn't be any barren parent if they could make children.

Re: When I Became An Atheist. by jaephoenix(m): 10:08am On Aug 01, 2024

StillDtruth:
See, the bold has proven that they are not able to for.when they wanted to make jollof rice, soap, mannequins of cars they made them everytime.

And there was nothing that was out of their jurisdiction, hands and power.

So, there wouldn't be any barren parent if they could make children.

So if they had not had sex, would that baby be made?
U see why I say u should stay out of scientific or logical discourses

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Re: When I Became An Atheist. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:25am On Aug 01, 2024

jaephoenix:
So a religion disappears and responses. Whoa.
So where did russell get his Bible from

The Bible was spiritually preserved when John penned down this words:

“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll. “The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’” “Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.” Revelations 22:18-20

So even if the books were left in paths till Jesus returned in the year 1914 he will use the Holy Spirit to direct them on how to arrange it for readers {John 16:12-13} just as he used the Holy Spirit to guide them in what Christians supposed to be doing as our assigned duty.

So Russell and his team were just researchers trying to figure out what was wrong with Christianity when Jesus returned and chose their group and began directing them on how to restructure Christianity! Matthew 24:45

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