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In this thread,https://www.nairaland.com/7947204/truly-forbidden-fruit-sex#127583663
We have seen that "the forbidden fruit is fornication.

let me not say sex for sex in and under lawful marriage is not a sin/offence.

It is sex outside marriage whether done when unmarried which is called "fornication" or done when married to another person which is called adultery, that is the sin and kffence

Thus, on further consideration, it would appear that flrnication might be the first sin

I’m not worthy to talk about this things
But disobedience was and still is
That was why Abraham got the covenant
Because he was ready to obey God even though it meant killing his son

For God Commanded do not touch nor eat the fruit they were fore warned and fore bidden from touching and eating .Genesis 3:3

So, methinks that, for this offence/sin to.be an offence/sin it must be a choate offence.

"Choate offences refer to the completed or fully executed criminal acts"

Therefore, it stands to reason that for the sin/offence to ground the guilt of the sinners/offenders/accused and defendant of Disobedience, they must first and completely touch and eat the fruit

That is why we feel that kissing, smooching maybe fingering* may not be a crime because it is inchoate. But fimgering is inchoate ONLY TO THE MAN, THE FINGERER. BUT NOT TO THE WOMAN, THE FINGEREE (as we say in Law 😆) or the FINGERED!

But fingering for a virgin woman is choate and she is fully guilty of eating the fruit. Which is why vurgin girls do not even want you fingering them.

And if you truly love God and her, don't. Because when you do, you kill her and she dies and she will hate you thereafter, which is why many experienced that their sweet relationship which was already heading for marriage scattered.

Thus, i.repeat, fingering for the virgin means she commits the sin of fornication!

So back to my assertion before i went obiter, i reassert that to prove and ground the guilt of Disobedience, fornication needed to be done for it to.be a an offence/sin.

So, me thinks that fornication id the first sin. 😆

Hmm!!

Kingsempires:
Hmm!!

Is this biblical

So can a seprent have sex with a human

See empty-headedness yet he will be calling God's people names!

But stilltruth were did you get this story form,which church teach you this one?or are you trying to make your own logic according to how you understand the Bible.

Zaheertyler:
I’m not worthy to talk about this things
But disobedience was and still is
That was why Abraham got the covenant
Because he was ready to obey God even though it meant killing his son

True!

But, for there to be a disobedience, an offence/sin must first be committed.

So, no offence/sin, therefore no disobedience.

So, i think fornication came first before disobedience

Kingsempires:
But stilltruth were did you get this story form,which church teach you this one?or are you trying to make your own logic according to how you understand the Bible.

Why must someone teach you, do you not have a head to think, observe and analyse like your teachers?

In fact, have you not seen that sometimes your teachers could be wrong or they could be lying and trying to deceive you?

No man has more than one head, so if they can use theirs to produce what they teach you, you also use your own na. You too are a human so you have a head which you can use too.

MaxInDHouse:
See empty-headedness yet he will be calling God's people names!

See proof of madness vacuum headedness. You said nothing addressing the post but to insalt me.

And you thought you had something in your head? What a comedian 😆😆😆

Here, have some 💰💰 for making us laugh.

Kingsempires:
So can a seprent have sex with a human

Are you serious? You mean you think serpent means a snake?

Here it is
serpent
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn
2.a sly or treacherous person, especially one who exploits a position of trust in order to betray it.

Collins dictionary
noun
2. Old Testament
a manifestation of Satan as a guileful tempter (Genesis 3:1–5)

Revelation 12:9 K
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:

Where did Satan deceieve the whole world?
Answer in Genesis 3 because he got female Adam deceieved before she gave birth to the world.

StillDtruth:
Are you serious? You mean you think serpent means a snake?

Here it is
serpent
Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn
2.a sly or treacherous person, especially one who exploits a position of trust in order to betray it.

Collins dictionary
noun
2. Old Testament
a manifestation of Satan as a guileful tempter (Genesis 3:1–5)

Revelation 12:9 K
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:

Where did Satan deceieve the whole world?
Answer in Genesis 3 because he got female Adam deceieved before she gave birth to the world.

i don't believe this your logic,from gen\rev there is no wherethe bible narrate it to be sex.ifyou read the acryphocal books like book ofadam and eve,japsher, jubulee there is no narration likethat.i don't know which part of the biblethat gives this your naration.so it is nowbad for a man to sleep with hiswife

StillDtruth:
Where did Satan deceieve the whole world?
Answer in Genesis 3 because he got female Adam deceieved before she gave birth to the world.

so are you trying to said satan impregnated her

Kingsempires:
so are you trying to said satan impregnated her

Look at what the.bible Says
Mathew 7:16, John 8:44, Genesis 1:11 all show that a murderer must give birth to a murderer.

Adam never murdered anyone but Satan murdered him the woman God gave him

And Satan was seen with female Adam.

So going by the shock of Cain's unexpected murder of his brother, we are thus compelled to ask the question, as we say in nigerian english "which kain pikin be dis? Where hin come from? Who be im papa?"

And this is where scriptures, hints us by their fruits, (in thid case murder) we shall know them"

And Satan (the murdrer) is the father of Cain, the murderer

Then note God punished and Cursed her belle. Wetin dey her belle?

https://www.nairaland.com/7929942/math-7-16-shows-us#127297866

Kingsempires:
i don't believe this your logic, from gen\rev there is no wherethe bible narrate it to be sex.ifyou read the acryphocal books like book ofadam and eve,japsher, jubulee there is no narration likethat.i don't know which part of the biblethat gives this your naration.so it is nowbad for a man to sleep with hiswife

Logic is not something you believe in. it is only used for explaining a belief, which is up for examination.

Now, your examinstion shows that you do not have any counter against it but your complaint is simply that it is not so explicitly stated in the bible nor is it confirmed in books outside the bible.

On the "no where in the bible Gen to Rev", i have already answered you above this post.and referred you to Mathew 7:16, John 8:44, Genesis 1:11 and the thread https://www.nairaland.com/7929942/math-7-16-shows-us#127297866 for your scrutiny and objection if any.

And go look she slept with satan first (adultery) and "get belle for am" (origin of paternity fraud) before she now went to sleep with her fiancee, Adam (fornication)

Kingsempires:
so are you trying to said satan impregnated her

And this is further proven by the shocking and surprising evils and levels of wickedness women do, exactly how Cain shocked us with his murdering of his brother.

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DevilsEqual:
Women keep unlocking some incredible level of evil every goddamn day

When u think they've done it all. then boom, another comes up with a more creative evil

Gen_4:1  Now the man adam, had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD(YHVH).

^^ this verse tells us that eve was adams wife, and that adam had sexual intercorse with his wife eve,
and eve conceived and gave birth to cain

and further, eve said; i have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD/YAHOVAH
and of course YAHOVAH would not have helped eve get a man child by the serpent

johnw47:
Gen_4:1  Now the man adam, had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD(YHVH).

^^ this verse tells us that eve was adams wife, and that adam had sexual intercorse with his wife eve,
and eve conceived and gave birth to cain

AFTER HER RUNS with Satan!

johnw47:
and further, eve said; i have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD/YAHOVAH
and of course YAHOVAH would not have helped eve get a man child by the serpent

The offence has already being done and satan has already corrupted man (that is man and woman) so, God's Will and Commandment stiill needs to be done. Thus, man must multiply and populate the earth as Commanded.

With God making a Plan of Salvation and Cleansing.

StillDtruth:
True!

But, for there to be a disobedience, an offence/sin must first be committed.

So, no offence/sin, therefore no disobedience.

So, i think fornication came first before disobedience

I think they ran concurrently. That is they occured at the same time.

Which is why one act has different charges preferred against it.

So they both stand at No 1.

truespeak:
I think they ran concurrently. That is they occured at the same time.

Which is why one act has different charges preferred against it.

So they both stand at No 1.

😆 "concurrently". Hmm.

It appears you are right. But make i check am.😊

johnw47:
Gen_4:1  Now the man adam, had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD(YHVH).

^^ this verse tells us that eve was adams wife, and that adam had sexual intercorse with his wife eve,
and eve conceived and gave birth to cain

and further, eve said; i have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD/YAHOVAH
and of course YAHOVAH would not have helped eve get a man child by the serpent

Do you not see it is Eve who said it?

Then when you think about it , wetin else Eve go talk before? Is she to say na devil give am belle?

It's the same thing women are still doing even today.

Paternity fraud started with Eve!

StillDtruth:
And this is further proven by the shocking and surprising evils and levels of wickedness women do, exactly how Cain shocked us with his murdering of his brother.

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men!!, Don't talk like that.noboby in the world can pass the test of eve i don't know if you have read the book of adam&eve do you know how many times satan tempt them/ try to kill them outside the garden .he even use sex to tempt them so that God can destroy them.guy i did'nt know were you get this narration from,which church preach that

StillDtruth:
AFTER HER RUNS with Satan!
The offence has already being done and satan has already corrupted man (that is man and woman) so, God's Will and Commandment stiill needs to be done. Thus, man must multiply and populate the earth as Commanded.
With God making a Plan of Salvation and Cleansing.

post verses of satan having multiple sexual intercourses with eve

truespeak:
Do you not see it is Eve who said it?
Then when you think about it , wetin else Eve go talk before? Is she to say na devil give am belle?
It's the same thing women are still doing even today.
Paternity fraud started with Eve!

yes eve said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD"
this was after the man adam, had relations with his wife eve, and she conceived and gave birth to cain

johnw47:
yes eve said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD"
this was after the man adam, had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain

As I said earlier that is what Paternity Fraud is all about!

truespeak:
As I said earlier that is what Paternity Fraud is all about!

there is no fraud in; the man adam, having relations with his wife eve, and she conceiving and giving birth to cain,
nor is there fraud in eve saying; I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD

johnw47:
there is no fraud in; the man adam, having relations with his wife eve, and she conceiving and giving birth to cain,
nor is there fraud in eve saying; I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD

You very well got it you are just finding it very hard and very painful to swallow.

truespeak:
You very well got it you are just finding it very hard and very painful to swallow.

i find what i said very easy to swallow, perhaps you can point out how what i said is wrong

johnw47:
i find what i said very easy to swallow, perhaps you can point out how what i said is wrong

There is nothing further to say

johnw47:
post verses of satan having multiple sexual intercourses with eve

i like this your question,at list let him show us the verse

johnw47:
i find what i said very easy to swallow, perhaps you can point out how what i said is wrong

I don't even know were this people are geting this story form.it was several years that they left the garden before having children.so woman dey carry belle for several years before giving birth