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ActiveFarms:
Every instrument of Faith works by belief/believe to activate its powers. It doesn't work this way dude

You don't sell products of faith nor claim they have nafdac numbers.

Medipharm:
You are not a man of God. Healings comes with powers, you don't posses the power cos you were not called to be pastor.

Even though I don't support pastors selling all these

Does he need to be a man of GOD to test the efficacy of that water, read the Bible about the life and times of Jesus and know how things work. Did Jesus sell any of his miracles?

These guys are using the church to do their scam, scamming the vulnerable members of the society

Skooltynz:
Does he sell the water?

He does that's where he did wrong

Jesus didn't instruct you to sell in his Fathers house, as a matter of fact he did get angry when he discovered people where using the synagogue for merchandise just as Prophet Jeremiah is doing. His act isn't in tandem to Jesus teachings

DevilsEqual:
Na this kind news dey give Atheists erection

Most of these pastors sef, Dem too dey overdo

Another reason why it's hard to use religious practices to defend God's existence. You go struggle tire to prove anything


It's far easier to use Science to support the God claim. Nature speaks loudly about God than all clergymen combined

Na true, most of these pastors see the church as their source of livelihood. It's all about money to them.

This same dude was shouting that he is well blessed with money than one other pastor who preached about those using God in the church to sell water, miracle rice, miracle soap that all of them who do that are scammers using God's church to swindle members of the public without calling Amy name of the persons who do it.

this prophet respon ponded and call out the pastor that he is richer, more blessed than him that who God don bless no one can cause , he even said he is only 13 years in his ministry but the dude is over 30 plus but not as rich as he does . Now I remember the preachers name Dr Abel Damina

SIRmanjar:
Doesn't work that way

I am not in support of fake pastors.The person applying it and the one he is applying it on must use it with faith for it to work
If you use it for mockery it won't work.Even if it's juju.You must believe in it

Who sells water in church? That prophet na scammer, is it what Jesus preached?

Hecziggz:
are u a believer.. If yes then you know the answer to the question.. But if you are not.. Before you can receive any miracle.. U will be asked do u believe.. If u say yes den u can expect a miracle but if you say no then d reverse is the case.. Do u lock your door and expect people to gain entrance to it without opening it or giving them the 🔑

Is this your thoughts supported by the scriptures?

The Bible provides various perspectives on faith and healing. While there are instances where belief precedes healing, there are also examples where healing occurs regardless of the recipient's faith. Here are a few key points:

1.Faith Preceding Healing
In several instances, Jesus emphasized the importance of faith in receiving healing. For example, in Matthew 9:22, Jesus tells the woman with the issue of blood, "Your faith has made you well." Similarly, in Mark 10:52, Jesus says to the blind man Bartimaeus, "Go; your faith has healed you."
- In Mark 6:5-6, it is noted that Jesus could do only a few miracles in His hometown because of the people's lack of faith. This suggests that belief plays a significant role in the manifestation of healing.

2. Healing Without Explicit Faith
- There are also instances where Jesus healed people without them explicitly expressing faith. In John 5:1-15, Jesus heals a man at the pool of Bethesda who didn't initially express faith or even know who Jesus was.
- In Luke 7:11-17, Jesus raises a widow's son from the dead without any mention of the widow’s or the son's faith.

3. Faith of Others
- The Bible also highlights the role of the faith of others in the healing process. For instance, in Mark 2:1-12, the faith of the friends who brought the paralyzed man to Jesus led to his healing.
- In Matthew 15:21-28, the faith of the Canaanite woman results in the healing of her demon-possessed daughter.

while the Bible teaches that faith can play a crucial role in receiving healing, it also shows that God's grace and power to heal are not limited by the presence or absence of belief. The VDM case can be attributes to case 3 .


The Bible does not support or encourage the practice of selling holy water, or any other items, as a means of obtaining God's blessings, healing, or favor.

Key Points from the Bible:

1. Condemnation of Commercializing Faith
- In the New Testament, Jesus strongly opposes the commercialization of religious practices. For example, in Matthew 21:12-13, Jesus drives out the money changers and those selling doves from the temple, declaring, "My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a den of robbers." This passage underscores that religious practices should not be used for financial gain.

2. Freely Given, Freely Give
- Jesus instructed His disciples in Matthew 10:8, saying, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give." This suggests that spiritual gifts and blessings, including healing, should be given freely without charge.

3. Warning Against Exploitation
- The Bible also warns against false teachers and those who exploit others for financial gain. In 2 Peter 2:3, it says, "In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories." The selling of holy water or other items for profit could fall under such exploitation if done with improper motives.

The Bible does not support the sale of holy water or any similar practices. Instead, it emphasizes that God's blessings and grace are freely given and should not be commercialized. If a pastor or religious leader engages in such practices, it would not align with biblical teachings and that prophet or pastor is doesn't portray Jesus.

Power is power, miracle is miracle and food is food it does not matter, just like sun set that shine on all both believers and non believers just like food that belleful bot the rich and poor. Even in science and invention world where you apply the right method to get the result.

If there was indeed power in the water and it sees someone in deficiency and upon whom it's powerful effect will redeem, I thing the powerful water should do its work jare.

idahme:
Is this your thoughts supported by the scriptures?

The Bible provides various perspectives on faith and healing. While there are instances where belief precedes healing, there are also examples where healing occurs regardless of the recipient's faith. Here are a few key points:

1.Faith Preceding Healing
In several instances, Jesus emphasized the importance of faith in receiving healing. For example, in Matthew 9:22, Jesus tells the woman with the issue of blood, "Your faith has made you well." Similarly, in Mark 10:52, Jesus says to the blind man Bartimaeus, "Go; your faith has healed you."
- In Mark 6:5-6, it is noted that Jesus could do only a few miracles in His hometown because of the people's lack of faith. This suggests that belief plays a significant role in the manifestation of healing.

2. Healing Without Explicit Faith
- There are also instances where Jesus healed people without them explicitly expressing faith. In John 5:1-15, Jesus heals a man at the pool of Bethesda who didn't initially express faith or even know who Jesus was.
- In Luke 7:11-17, Jesus raises a widow's son from the dead without any mention of the widow’s or the son's faith.

3. Faith of Others
- The Bible also highlights the role of the faith of others in the healing process. For instance, in Mark 2:1-12, the faith of the friends who brought the paralyzed man to Jesus led to his healing.
- In Matthew 15:21-28, the faith of the Canaanite woman results in the healing of her demon-possessed daughter.

while the Bible teaches that faith can play a crucial role in receiving healing, it also shows that God's grace and power to heal are not limited by the presence or absence of belief. The VDM case can be attributes to case 3 .


The Bible does not support or encourage the practice of selling holy water, or any other items, as a means of obtaining God's blessings, healing, or favor.

Key Points from the Bible:

1. Condemnation of Commercializing Faith
- In the New Testament, Jesus strongly opposes the commercialization of religious practices. For example, in Matthew 21:12-13, Jesus drives out the money changers and those selling doves from the temple, declaring, "My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a den of robbers." This passage underscores that religious practices should not be used for financial gain.

2. Freely Given, Freely Give
- Jesus instructed His disciples in Matthew 10:8, saying, "Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give." This suggests that spiritual gifts and blessings, including healing, should be given freely without charge.

3. Warning Against Exploitation
- The Bible also warns against false teachers and those who exploit others for financial gain. In 2 Peter 2:3, it says, "In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories." The selling of holy water or other items for profit could fall under such exploitation if done with improper motives.

The Bible does not support the sale of holy water or any similar practices. Instead, it emphasizes that God's blessings and grace are freely given and should not be commercialized. If a pastor or religious leader engages in such practices, it would not align with biblical teachings and that prophet or pastor is doesn't portray Jesus.

this is where you got me wrong.. I don't support the sale of anything but the way vdm is going about it is equally wrong

Medipharm:
You are not a man of God. Healings comes with powers, you don't posses the power cos you were not called to be pastor.

Even though I don't support pastors selling all these

Brainwashed stupid one

Medipharm:
You are not a man of God. Healings comes with powers, you don't posses the power cos you were not called to be pastor.

Even though I don't support pastors selling all these

So why the man of God dey sell am to his members??

Hecziggz:
this is where you got me wrong.. I don't support the sale of anything but the way vdm is going about it is equally wrong

If VDM is a vessel to tame these scammers then I support it.

Medipharm:
You are not a man of God. Healings comes with powers, you don't posses the power cos you were not called to be pastor.

Even though I don't support pastors selling all these

And power is not for sale! Freely I receive and freely I give unto you! But today's pastors is freely I receive but 50k I give unto you!

If Jesus did not commercialize any of his works, none of His followers should.

Whoever is selling miracle items is fraudulent

Pastorprenual fraudsters all over Nigeria scamming the gullible idiots.

Mrfixitt:
This Mumu man should rest

Unfortunately you're the mumu that should rest

You need to have faith. His disbelief deactivated the charm

Hecziggz:
miracles work by faith.. I would have loved him to test this on true belivers not once who don't even believe in Christ talk more of his healing powers

Religion have finished you. Sit down in your house , read what you wrote again and digest it well and see if what you said makes sense

This guy na werey he dey make me laugh 😂😂😂 All these pastoprenuer and alfapreneur.

Using your natural African herbs or traditional way of treatment gets you closer to perfect healing than staged miracles.

Africans wake up oo

I have witnessed miracles in my life nd even got cured by a prophet(not Jeremiah) so it's real


Bt Jeremiah Fufeyin is a bastard scammer

Hecziggz:
this is where you got me wrong.. I don't support the sale of anything but the way vdm is going about it is equally wrong

If VDM is a vessel to tame these scammers then I support it.

I showed you that you don't necessarily have to have faith for healing to occur just as you asserted. Your assertion is one of the way in which healing can occur but not only the way, 2 other scenarios exist which VDM's case can be attributed to.

The sale of those items I coined it in order to drive home my general point but wasn't was I first addressed, my first assertion was based solely on faith and healing which you brought up.

Hmmmmmm

Mrfixitt:
This Mumu man should rest

How him carry be mumu man?

Mrfixitt:
This Mumu man should rest

you are the real mumu..God is using an unbeliver to expose a fake prophet of the devil, you are here defending falsehood in Christianity in the name my father

ActiveFarms:
Every instrument of Faith works by belief/believe to activate its powers. It doesn't work this way dude

Defending stupidity as usual

Let him go to court and prove faith to them

Mrfixitt:
This Mumu man should rest

why is he a mumu man?

Verydarkman you don't have the power to heal peaple from their ailments because you are not a man of God.

ActiveFarms:
Every instrument of Faith works by belief/believe to activate its powers. It doesn't work this way dude

which instrument of faith are you talking about?

how is a merchandise to enrich the producer an "instrument of faith"?

Medipharm:
You are not a man of God. Healings comes with powers, you don't posses the power cos you were not called to be pastor.

Even though I don't support pastors selling all these

Tell the pastor to take the water and his team to this same village where VDM went so he can heal them ..

Lolzzzzz 🤣

Come to Ibadan and see how so called pastors are selling water


Na business O

Love this.
Time we start to expose these frauds parading as men of God!
The one wey talk say him drink tea with Jesus, when we go open him case file?
Fraudulent vagabonds!

ActiveFarms:
Every instrument of Faith works by belief/believe to activate its powers. It doesn't work this way dude

Nonsense!

Are you saying the Prophet that prayed on the water and start selling it, did not believe and have faith that their product would work?

Or are you starting that the intended target of the said miracle must have faith and believe?

Lazarus never had faith, but he was rose from the death. Some among the 5000 he miraculously feed did not believe but experienced his miracles.

I can go on and on!