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SIRTee15:
Learn the difference btw the phrase 'messiah' and 'the messiah'. The later is called 'Al mashiach'.
Once U learn the difference, come back and debate.

Meanwhile the divine Messiah is evident in the book of Daniel 7

13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

No, the divine messaih is not evident any where in the tanakh, you are just deceiving yourself.

The word translated as worshipped could be translated as obey/serve. I don't know why you chose worshipped which is against the teachings of the tanakh (worshipping other than God).

Number 23:19God is not man, that he should lie, not a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?


Is the kingdom of the son of man not supposed to end the 4th kingdom from Babylon (which is the Romans) or Is this going to be another wuru-wuru to the answer like Isaiah 53?

Am not too good in the bible but i will share the little i know and sure of

Jesus answered"YOU SHALL WORSHIP YOUR LORD YOUR GOD AND SERVE HIM ONLY(LUKE 4:

John 17:3 said"this is the eternal life,that they may know you,you the only true God and jesus christ whom you have sent

Jesus said to her"stop clinging to me,for i have not yet ascended to the father,but go to my brethren and say to them"I ASCEND TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER AND MY GOD AND YOUR GOD(JOHN 20:17)

I have received a annane to bless when he has blessed,then i cannot revoke it,(numbers 23:19-20)

God is not a man,but jesus was a man,therefore jesus is not God,God is not the son of man but jesus is the son of man,(ie not d son of God)meaning jesus is not God according to even the bible

In mark 12:29,jesus answered the foremost is"HEAR O ISRAEL!THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD

Now i will move to what jesus said about muhammad in the bible

61:6 And remember jesus the son of mary said"o children of israel i am the messanger of Allah sent to you,confirming the law before me,giving glad tidings a messanger to come after me whose name shall be"AHMAD"but when he came to them with clear signs they said this is evident sorcery

So now do u see that even jesus talked about prophet muhammad right?okay now let go to the bible again

Ok now to the bible,genesis 49:10 said the scepter shall not depart from judah,nor a lawgiver from btw his feet untill shaloh comes,and to him shall be the obedience of the people

What about mark 1:7 where jesus prophesised of muhammad"there cometh after me that is higher than 1,whose scandal strap i am not worthy to stroop down and loose"

In deuteronomy 18:15 "the lord your GOD will raise up for you a prophet like me from your midst,from your brethren,him you shall hear,i will raise up for them i prophet like you from among their brethren,and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak to them all that i command him

Now i will move to what jesus will say to christians on the judgement day,firstly i will say from the bible(mathew 7:22-24)22:many will say to me on that day,"lord lord,did we not prophecy in your name,and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23: then i will tell them plainly"i never knew you,depart from me you worker of lawlessness,24:There fore everyone who listen to there words of mine and act on them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock

Nw to islam sayings,it will be said to the christians,what did you use to worship?they will reply"we use to worship messiah the son of God(Allah),it will be said"you are liers for God(Allah)neither has a wife nor a son,what do u want now?they will say"we want you to give us water",it will be said "drink",and they fall in hell(instead)! sahih bukhari

Plss sirtee15,and kingsempires,i want a honest and straight answer okay will you do that plss?

Ok now my first question,with all the QURAN verses i quoted and also the BIBLE verses i quoted are they truth or not?

Secondly,why are u guys disobeying jesus instructions,when he clearly told you guys to follow the teachings of the mightier prophet(muhammad)to come?why hating on the prophet that your jesus advise u to obey?

Thirdly,why are you guys claiming jesus is the son of GOD(ALLAH)whe he(jesus) clearly state it in different veres that he is just the prophet/messenger sent by ALLAH?and why are u guys worshiping him(calling him lord)when jesus state it severally for everyone to fear and worship the only true GOD (ALLAH) which is your LORD?

Fourthly,why did you guys abandon the instructions of jesus and make your own instructions by yourself?Did you people forgot the statment of jesus when he was giving birth to?(he said i am servant of Allah,he gave me scriptures and made me his prophet) so plss like i said i want a simple answer"yes or no"?this or that?pls i dont want long story and epistle cus i gave all my sources from all my quote,thank you!

Plx sir Qasim6 and Antichristian you guys should confirm my quote sources,they are legit right? yea i know they are and so bear me witness with their replies 2 my qstns pls

Qasim6:
No, the divine messaih is not evident any where in the tanakh, you are just deceiving yourself.

The word translated as worshipped could be translated as obey/serve. I don't know why you chose worshipped which is against the teachings of the tanakh (worshipping other than God).

Number 23:19God is not man, that he should lie, not a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?


Is the kingdom of the son of man not supposed to end the 4th kingdom from Babylon (which is the Romans) or Is this going to be another wuru-wuru to the answer like Isaiah 53?

If I bring evidence that the ancient rabbinical Judaism before Jesus was born believed this passage was about divine Messiah.
What will U do?
because I did the same for Isaiah 53. I brought multiple evidence- including from dead sea scrolls, that ancient Jews believed Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah coming to die for the sins of mankind.
Even your fellow black Jew in the thread was weak. He couldn't say anything.
If I do the same for Daniel 7 passage, what will U do?
I want to know your response, because I don't want to waste my time bringing evidence and U still being obstinate.

Qasim6:
What exactly are you showing here?

The Jews do not understand the term son of God to mean divine son of God. To them It simply mean a righteous servant of God.

So what exactly are we supposed to make out of this qumran document??

Did U read the documents at all or U trying to play blind. These are evidence from ancient rabbinical Judaism, not your modern day Jews who are misinterpreting their scripture so Jesus won't be the Messiah.

SIRTee15:
Servant has no inheritance except that which is given to him but a Son has inheritance, he's the heir of the whole inheritance.
Galatian 4.1-2

A servant has no place in the family forever, he's an outsider no matter how much he's loved. A son's place is in the family, he belongs there. He doesn't beg to be loved, he's already loved

Above is what Jesus is offering you....
John 8.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37

So now tell me,is jesus the servant of God(Allah),or the son of God(Allah)?

SIRTee15:
If I bring evidence that the ancient rabbinical Judaism before Jesus was born believed this passage was about divine Messiah.
What will U do?
because I did the same for Isaiah 53. I brought multiple evidence- including from dead sea scrolls, that ancient Jews believed Isaiah 53 is about the Messiah coming to die for the sins of mankind.
Even your fellow black Jew in the thread was weak. He couldn't say anything.
If I do the same for Daniel 7 passage, what will U do?
I want to know your response, because I don't want to waste my time bringing evidence and U still being obstinate.

U just like deceiving yourself, which evidence did u bring?

Ancient Rabbinical Jews believed there is going to be 2 Messiahs, do you believe that too?

Infact they believed the Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18 is different from the Messiah, do you believe that too?

No Rabbinical Judaism believe the Messiah will die for anybody sins.

Jesus did not have any offspring like Isaiah 53 prophesied, Isaiah 53 is most likely about Prophet Jeremiah.

Leemzyy:
Hmm am sorry i was late,now can we do this?i want to talk more about islam to you and oneness of God(Allah) in both of the holy book,so can i?

Yes of course. Go for it.
It's common knowledge God is one. No doubt about it.
Even satan himself knows that there's only one God.

James 2
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that and they tremble.

Jesus makes it clear there's only one God. He quoted the shema The Lord our God is One.

That one God is triune in nature, this is the Christian belief and it's backed by the old testament, new testament and ancient Jewish religious books.

Being triune doesn't make U three. It's ignorance from Muslims to think such.

Human beings are tripartite beings. Our essence as humans is made up of soul, spirit and body. That doesn't make us three beings, YOU ARE one being despite being 3 in nature.
Your soul, spirit and body are not separate. They are one being.

Also read about multiple personality disorder. These are people who have multiple personality syndrome and manifest as multiple persons.

That one being manifest as 1 million persons doesn't change the fact he's one.
No matter the number of persons he choose to manifest, he remain ONE BEING, he's one existence. The day he dies, all the persons in him stop existing because he's only one being.

So people argue what they don't know because they do not understand the difference between a being and a person.
A being is an existence. A person is manifestation of that existence.
God is one existence, not three existence.
When we get to heaven, we will only see ONE GOD NOT THREE GODS. HE IS ONE BEING.
THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT BE SEEN SEPARATELY IN HEAVEN.
CHRISTIAN BELIEF IS NOT POLYTHEISTIC AT ALL, IT'S IGNORANCE TO SAY SUCH.

SIRTee15:
Did U read the documents at all or U trying to play blind. These are evidence from ancient rabbinical Judaism, not your modern day Jews who are misinterpreting their scripture so Jesus won't be the Messiah.

SirTee! Why are you acting dumb?

Is the Jews understanding of Son of God same as Christainity understanding of the term Son of God?

Are all the people called Son of God in the old testament divine?

Mr sirtee15 check the thread to read all i quoted

Leemzyy:
Plx sir Qasim6 and Antichristian you guys should confirm my quote sources,they are legit right? yea i know they are and so bear me witness with their replies 2 my qstns pls

You are trying Sis.

They are just Ignorant and lost. All their doctrines are man-made

Jesus already told them they are worshipping him in vain.

Matthew 15:9
in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Qasim6:
You are trying Sis.

They are just Ignorant and lost. All their doctrines are man-made

Jesus already told them they are worshipping him in vain.

Matthew 15:9
in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

You know yaaya i feel like is it that they dont read the bible?or they dont get the words there?cux everything is there and also straight forward na

Leemzyy:
John 17:3 said"this is the eternal life,that they may know you,you the only true God and jesus christ whom you have sent

You will see from this verse that Jesus identify God as the ONLY TRUE GOD, and himself as the person that was sent by that God.

He will come back to tell you how the person that was sent is the same as the person that sent him.

What they believe in is illogical and incoherent.

They just want to be polytheist and monotheist at the same time.