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TenQ:
Whatever cannot be translated cannot be interpreted



Says who?



Will you accept such forms of flawed interpretation by Christians for the bible?


It is Mohammed that created a God according to his own imagination. Is Allah a Spirit? No! Is Allah a Father? No!
Is Allah Omnipresent? No!

In trying to create God, Mohammed arrived at a limited edition of the Creator.



So, are you claiming that Jibril did NOT appear to Mary as a perfect man?



It is good you are seeing how faulty your argument is with this illustration.

How can I ask you to find me the physical evidence of the food I ate five days ago just as
How can you ask me to find the evidence of deleted verses from the book from which it was deleted?


What else after showing you evidence that you destroyed an evidence?



My questions was specific: which of the Hadiths I presented was Maudu?


Have a beautiful night rest

It is not true that whatever cannot be translated from one language to another cannot be interpreted. Untranslatable texts can still hold significant interpretive value through contextual explanation and analysis.

That Jibril or Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary in the form of man does not make him of mankind. Perhaps you should look for stories that prove that other than appearing like a man the angel performed actions of man such as breathing, eating and sleeping.

I have asked for a reasonable explanation for why the Bible says Moses sees an angel in the fire yet it's the lord/God that speaks? Why no clarity that the angel spoke on behalf of God. Was the writer merely showing writing abilities in mentioning the angel?

Your lousy evidence of haven eaten could be from timeline pictures of you eating.

Evidence that something was destroyed without proof that it actually existed? Please do better.

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty.


Also scholars study points out that the narrative of a domesticated sheep eating the folios of the Qurʼan, which allegedly included the controversial ‘Breastfeeding Verse’, cannot be confidently traced back to ʿĀʾisha and only appears in one variant, raising doubts about its authenticity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXqp_3db5o?si=64pi8m5p2xdbXQI0

Ohyoudidnt:
It is not true that whatever cannot be translated from one language to another cannot be interpreted. Untranslatable texts can still hold significant interpretive value through contextual explanation and analysis.

Then Muslims should stop complaining. Arabic is NOT the only Semitic language. Have you heard any Jew or Christian complaining about their scriptures as not translatable or not interpretable.

Ohyoudidnt:
That Jibril or Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary in the form of man does not make him of mankind. Perhaps you should look for stories that prove that other than appearing like a man the angel performed actions of man such as breathing, eating and sleeping.

In other words, the fact that Jibril was in the form of a perfect man (subject to every physical laws) does not make him a man.

How much more God who can appear in any form without ceasing to be God. Of course, I am aware that this is impossible for Allah to do.

Ohyoudidnt:
I have asked for a reasonable explanation for why the Bible says Moses sees an angel in the fire yet it's the lord/God that speaks? Why no clarity that the angel spoke on behalf of God. Was the writer merely showing writing abilities in mentioning the angel?

Who did Mary see?
Did she see an Angel or a man?

You are still confused because Allah cannot appear in other forms without ceasing to be Allah. Don't impose the limitations of Allah to Yahweh, the Creator of the Universe.

Ohyoudidnt:
Your lousy evidence of haven eaten could be from timeline pictures of you eating.

Evidence that something was destroyed without proof that it actually existed? Please do better.

It is your books that said that the Qur'an was eaten.

Where is the verse on Rajam?
Wasn't it part of what was eaten?

Except you are agreeing that Muslims are chronic liars who would even lie against Mohammed, Allah and the Qur'an!

Ohyoudidnt:
It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sa’d and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose one’s awra in front of a non-Mahram adult let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty.

Meaning that it is a historical fact that breastfeeding adults took place at the time of Mohammed. This is a supporting evidence even if you don't like it.

Ohyoudidnt:
Also scholars study points out that the narrative of a domesticated sheep eating the folios of the Qurʼan, which allegedly included the controversial ‘Breastfeeding Verse’, cannot be confidently traced back to ʿĀʾisha and only appears in one variant, raising doubts about its authenticity.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVXqp_3db5o?si=64pi8m5p2xdbXQI0

Muslims are prone to rejecting anything they are not comfortable with in their religion. Unfortunately, these things are found in your own books written by your own scholars and vetted by other scholars as Sahih.
What you should do is to find a narration by Abubaker or Uthman or Ibn Abbas denying the fact that breastfeeding of Adult men doesn't take place. As long as you can't find one of them denying it outrightly all your arguments are just conjectures

Let me even ask you a question:
1. Why did Mohammed instruct the breastfeeding of Salim?
2. Was this an instruction from Allah?
3. Why are you Muslims no longer doing it?

TenQ:
Then Muslims should stop complaining. Arabic is NOT the only Semitic language. Have you heard any Jew or Christian complaining about their scriptures as not translatable or not interpretable.

This obviously is a case of you saying so much you forget yourself. Do you deny categorically stating that who in the translated Quran refers to a person?

I picked out the Arabic word translated to who and point out that interpretation of what is meant not a simple case yet you continue your diarrhea?

TenQ:
In other words, the fact that Jibril was in the form of a perfect man (subject to every physical laws) does not make him a man.

How much more God who can appear in any form without ceasing to be God. Of course, I am aware that this is impossible for Allah to do.

Who did Mary see?
Did she see an Angel or a man?

You are still confused because Allah cannot appear in other forms without ceasing to be Allah. Don't impose the limitations of Allah to Yahweh, the Creator of the Universe.

Is your scripture not clear that what was seen as a man is an angel?

I however question if it is God or the angel you worship that you reduce your God to manifest in the form of the angel he created and sent on a message!

Does God need to enter into what he created or appear as his creation to express his power? Is this not the limited thinking of earthly man?

TenQ:
It is your books that said that the Qur'an was eaten.

Where is the verse on Rajam?
Wasn't it part of what was eaten?

Except you are agreeing that Muslims are chronic liars who would even lie against Mohammed, Allah and the Qur'an!

Meaning that it is a historical fact that breastfeeding adults took place at the time of Mohammed. This is a supporting evidence even if you don't like it.

How is it the book of Muslims? Is there any clear instruction to uphold and follow the hadith written by numerous men not the direct revelation to man; the Quran?

Is it a lie that mischief makers try to corrupt others by placing false importance on fabrication.
I have summarised scholarly review about the hadith of a goat eating written Quran verses yet of course you remain a taghut

There was no such verse as Rajm.

TenQ:
Meaning that it is a historical fact that breastfeeding adults took place at the time of Mohammed. This is a supporting evidence even if you don't like it.

The evidence is viewed with scepticism and regarded as false.

TenQ:
Let me even ask you a question:
1. Why did Mohammed instruct the breastfeeding of Salim?
2. Was this an instruction from Allah?
3. Why are you Muslims no longer doing it?

In an immediate sense you lie. Let me ask you a question and you present 3? Is a singular or plural?

In any case there's no sense answering the error or repeated questions that have been asked and are obviously not sincerely coming from a desire to know.

You obviously have the answers to your questions but like to poke mischief. If you read through my responses you will see what I wrote in regards to Salim.

Ohyoudidnt:
Is your scripture not clear that what was seen as a man is an angel?

I however question if it is God or the angel you worship that you reduce your God to manifest in the form of the angel he created and sent on a message!

Does God need to enter into what he created or appear as his creation to express his power? Is this not the limited thinking of earthly man?

ATTN. TENQ
If God were to manifest directly in the same manner as angels, it could lead to misunderstandings about His nature and authority. In Christian theology, God is transcendent and sovereign; His ways are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). Direct manifestations might blur the lines between divine sovereignty and human perception, potentially leading people to misinterpret God’s intentions or attributes.

Human beings have limitations in understanding and perceiving the divine fully. If God were to manifest in a way similar to angels, it could overwhelm human comprehension or lead individuals to worship the manifestation itself rather than recognizing it as a reflection of God’s glory. This concern aligns with biblical warnings against idolatry (Exodus 20:3-5), where anything that takes precedence over God becomes an idol.

Christianity emphasizes faith as a relationship built on trust rather than sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). If God manifested regularly like angels, it might undermine the necessity for faith and reliance on Him without physical evidence. The essence of faith involves believing in what we cannot see (Hebrews 11:1), which fosters spiritual growth and dependence on God’s wisdom rather than our own understanding.

While angelic manifestations serve specific purposes within God’s plan for humanity, a direct manifestation of God akin to how angels appear could complicate human understanding of His nature, diminish the role of faith, and risk idolatry or misunderstanding among believers.

Ohyoudidnt:
ATTN. TENQ
If God were to manifest directly in the same manner as angels, it could lead to misunderstandings about His nature and authority. In Christian theology, God is transcendent and sovereign; His ways are higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). Direct manifestations might blur the lines between divine sovereignty and human perception, potentially leading people to misinterpret God’s intentions or attributes.

Human beings have limitations in understanding and perceiving the divine fully. If God were to manifest in a way similar to angels, it could overwhelm human comprehension or lead individuals to worship the manifestation itself rather than recognizing it as a reflection of God’s glory. This concern aligns with biblical warnings against idolatry (Exodus 20:3-5), where anything that takes precedence over God becomes an idol.

Christianity emphasizes faith as a relationship built on trust rather than sight (2 Corinthians 5:7). If God manifested regularly like angels, it might undermine the necessity for faith and reliance on Him without physical evidence. The essence of faith involves believing in what we cannot see (Hebrews 11:1), which fosters spiritual growth and dependence on God’s wisdom rather than our own understanding.

While angelic manifestations serve specific purposes within God’s plan for humanity, a direct manifestation of God akin to how angels appear could complicate human understanding of His nature, diminish the role of faith, and risk idolatry or misunderstanding among believers.

Who told you this as the God of Abraham sometimes appear to him as a Man AND Abraham never confuses him as man.

All you can do is to speculate and thus create a God according to your own imagination. Reality is different from Actuality sir.

Gen 18:1-3:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My LORD, if now I have found favor in your sight, pass not away, I pray you, from your servant:"


Here is from the book both your prophet and Allah attests to.

Did Abraham make any mistakes in recognising his God even though he appeared as a man?

Muslims starting from Mohammed do not know the God of Abraham: instead , you created Allah according to the whims of your imagination

TenQ:
Who told you this as the God of Abraham sometimes appear to him as a Man AND Abraham never confuses him as man.

All you can do is to speculate and thus create a God according to your own imagination. Reality is different from Actuality sir.

Gen 18:1-3:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My LORD, if now I have found favor in your sight, pass not away, I pray you, from your servant:"


Here is from the book both your prophet and Allah attests to.

Did Abraham make any mistakes in recognising his God even though he appeared as a man?

Muslims starting from Mohammed do not know the God of Abraham: instead , you created Allah according to the whims of your imagination

Continue your delusion. It is not all that is in the Bible that is arrested to.

In Islam, it is believed that the Torah (Tawrat) and the Gospel (Injil) were original revelations from Allah. However, Muslims hold that these texts have been altered or corrupted over time, and thus not all content within the current versions of the Bible is considered true or consistent with Islamic teachings.

While there may be elements of truth in previous scriptures, Muslims believe that changes and alterations may have occurred in these texts over time.

Allah does not attest that all text contained in the Bible is true
Allah does not attest that all text contained in the Bible is true
In Islamic belief, the Quran affirms the original messages and teachings of previous prophets and scriptures, including the Bible, but it also emphasizes that the Quran is the final and complete revelation from Allah. While there may be elements of truth in previous scriptures, Muslims believe that changes and alterations may have occurred in these texts over time.

The Quran serves as the ultimate criterion and guidance, superseding all previous scriptures. Allah has revealed the Quran as a comprehensive and unaltered guidance for humanity, correcting any discrepancies or alterations that may have occurred in earlier scriptures.

In Surah Al-Maidah, verse 48, Allah mentions:
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method.

Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."

This verse emphasizes that the Quran is revealed as a criterion over previous scriptures, confirming the truth within them and serving as a guidance for humanity. Muslims believe in the authenticity and preservation of the Quran as the final and unaltered revelation from Allah, guiding mankind to the straight path.

It doesn't say all that is in the available copies of the previous scripture is true but confirming what is true in them.

The passage in Genesis you quote is not but T a physical manifestation of representatives of God before Abraham.

The Quran states in Surah 11:69-70:

“And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf. But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

Though the angels appeared in the form of man being unlike man they did not eat


Genesis 18:1-3 does not definitively state whether all three visitors are manifestations of God or if one is distinct from two angels.

The term “three men” in Hebrew can imply that these figures are not merely ordinary humans but rather divine messengers or manifestations. The sudden appearance of these figures could indicate their supernatural nature. While some interpretations suggest that one of these figures is indeed God (a theophany), others argue that they represent angels sent by God.

I was buttressing my point on the angel seen in the fire not being God in my response to your previous post on the Quran 27:8 based on what your Bible presented.

Seeking to understand the relevance of the author first mentioning the Angel then later stating the Lord spoke.

Ohyoudidnt:
This obviously is a case of you saying so much you forget yourself. Do you deny categorically stating that who in the translated Quran refers to a person?

I picked out the Arabic word translated to who and point out that interpretation of what is meant not a simple case yet you continue your diarrhea?

Allah claims to travel the Qur'an in a clear and simple Arabic, unfortunately, you Muslims cannot understand the speech of your Allah. It has to be reinterpreted to say what it doesn't plainly say.

Muslims should stop complaining. Arabic is NOT the only Semitic language. Have you heard any Jew or Christian complaining about their scriptures as not translatable or not interpretable

Ohyoudidnt:
Is your scripture not clear that what was seen as a man is an angel?

I however question if it is God or the angel you worship that you reduce your God to manifest in the form of the angel he created and sent on a message!

Does God need to enter into what he created or appear as his creation to express his power? Is this not the limited thinking of earthly man?

Jews and Christians don't tell lies about our God to make Him what he's not.

If God chose to reveal himself in a manner suitable for you, is it your problem?

Doesn't Allah too have at least TWO physical shapes?

Ohyoudidnt:
How is it the book of Muslims? Is there any clear instruction to uphold and follow the hadith written by numerous men not the direct revelation to man; the Quran?

Is it a lie that mischief makers try to corrupt others by placing false importance on fabrication.
I have summarised scholarly review about the hadith of a goat eating written Quran verses yet of course you remain a taghut

Can any Muslim understand the Qur'an without the Hadiths and Tafsirs? No!
From the Qur'an alone, you won't even know who Mohammed your prophet is. The Qur'an didn't come down out of the blues.

It is impossible for you to cherry pick only what you like from your books.

Sorry!

Ohyoudidnt:
There was no such verse as Rajm.

There is no verse as the verse on Rajm. What exists is the verse of Rajam!

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5


Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Musnad Ahmad 249
It was narrated that Yahya said:
I heard Sa`eed bin al-Musayyab (say) that `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) said: Beware of neglecting the verse of stoning, lest someone say, We do not find two hadd punishments in the Book of Allah, for I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) stone [adulterers] and we stoned [adulterers] too.

Ohyoudidnt:
The evidence is viewed with scepticism and regarded as false.

And about breastfeeding an adult, here is another evidence

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

Too bad, I get still get you more

Ohyoudidnt:
In an immediate sense you lie. Let me ask you a question and you present 3? Is a singular or plural?

In any case there's no sense answering the error or repeated questions that have been asked and are obviously not sincerely coming from a desire to know.

You obviously have the answers to your questions but like to poke mischief. If you read through my responses you will see what I wrote in regards to Salim.

Do you Muslims (plural) still do breastfeeding for adult men?


If it is solely about Salim, can you explain each of the hadiths below

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1938
It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas:
that the Messenger of was offered the daughter of Hamzah bin 'Abdul-Muttalib in marriage, and he said: "She is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding, and breastfeeding makes unlawful (for marriage) the same things that blood ties make unlawful.”

Musnad Ahmad 1099
It was narrated from `Ali :
I said: O Messenger of Allah, why do you marry from Quraish and not from us? He said: “Do you have anyone?` I said: The daughter of Hamzah. He said: `She is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding.“

Musnad Ahmad 620
It was narrated that ‘Ali said:
O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), why do you choose to get married from among Quraysh and you ignore us? He said: `Have you anybody to suggest?` I said: Yes, the daughter of Hamzah. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: `She is not permissible for me (to marry), for she is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding.`

There is no escape for you sir!

Ohyoudidnt:
Continue your delusion. It is not all that is in the Bible that is arrested to.

In Islam, it is believed that the Torah (Tawrat) and the Gospel (Injil) were original revelations from Allah. However, Muslims hold that these texts have been altered or corrupted over time, and thus not all content within the current versions of the Bible is considered true or consistent with Islamic teachings.

While there may be elements of truth in previous scriptures, Muslims believe that changes and alterations may have occurred in these texts over time.

Allah does not attest that all text contained in the Bible is true
Allah does not attest that all text contained in the Bible is true
In Islamic belief, the Quran affirms the original messages and teachings of previous prophets and scriptures, including the Bible, but it also emphasizes that the Quran is the final and complete revelation from Allah. While there may be elements of truth in previous scriptures, Muslims believe that changes and alterations may have occurred in these texts over time.

The Quran serves as the ultimate criterion and guidance, superseding all previous scriptures. Allah has revealed the Quran as a comprehensive and unaltered guidance for humanity, correcting any discrepancies or alterations that may have occurred in earlier scriptures.

In Surah Al-Maidah, verse 48, Allah mentions:
And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method.

Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."

This verse emphasizes that the Quran is revealed as a criterion over previous scriptures, confirming the truth within them and serving as a guidance for humanity. Muslims believe in the authenticity and preservation of the Quran as the final and unaltered revelation from Allah, guiding mankind to the straight path.

It doesn't say all that is in the available copies of the previous scripture is true but confirming what is true in them.


.,

You just concluded that Allah confirmed that which is error!?

Is it true that the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) is derived from the root word "هَيْمَنَ" (haymana), which generally means to oversee, protect, or safeguard AND not to replace

Does one oversee that which is corrupted?
Probably only islam

Ohyoudidnt:
...

The passage in Genesis you quote is not but T a physical manifestation of representatives of God before Abraham.

The Quran states in Surah 11:69-70:

“And certainly did Our messengers come to Abraham with good tidings; they said, "Peace." He said, "Peace," and did not delay in bringing [them] a roasted calf. But when he saw their hands not reaching for it, he distrusted them and felt from them apprehension. They said, "Fear not. We have been sent to the people of Lot."

Though the angels appeared in the form of man being unlike man they did not eat


Genesis 18:1-3 does not definitively state whether all three visitors are manifestations of God or if one is distinct from two angels.

The term “three men” in Hebrew can imply that these figures are not merely ordinary humans but rather divine messengers or manifestations. The sudden appearance of these figures could indicate their supernatural nature. While some interpretations suggest that one of these figures is indeed God (a theophany), others argue that they represent angels sent by God.

I was buttressing my point on the angel seen in the fire not being God in my response to your previous post on the Quran 27:8 based on what your Bible presented.

Seeking to understand the relevance of the author first mentioning the Angel then later stating the Lord spoke.

Why don't you explain exactly what happened with Abraham according to the Torah!

Did you not answer it by saying:

The passage in Genesis you quote is not but T a physical manifestation of representatives of God before Abraham.

It was clear that God came with two angel


Gen 18:16-17:
"And the men rose up from there, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;"

Gen 18:22:
"And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD."

Too bad for you sir

TenQ:
Allah claims to travel the Qur'an in a clear and simple Arabic, unfortunately, you Muslims cannot understand the speech of your Allah. It has to be reinterpreted to say what it doesn't plainly say.

Muslims should stop complaining. Arabic is NOT the only Semitic language. Have you heard any Jew or Christian complaining about their scriptures as not translatable or not interpretable


Jews and Christians don't tell lies about our God to make Him what he's not.

If God chose to reveal himself in a manner suitable for you, is it your problem?

Doesn't Allah too have at least TWO physical shapes?


Can any Muslim understand the Qur'an without the Hadiths and Tafsirs? No!
From the Qur'an alone, you won't even know who Mohammed your prophet is. The Qur'an didn't come down out of the blues.

It is impossible for you to cherry pick only what you like from your books.

Sorry!


There is no verse as the verse on Rajm. What exists is the verse of Rajam!

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”
1: These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5


Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Musnad Ahmad 249
It was narrated that Yahya said:
I heard Sa`eed bin al-Musayyab (say) that `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) said: Beware of neglecting the verse of stoning, lest someone say, We do not find two hadd punishments in the Book of Allah, for I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) stone [adulterers] and we stoned [adulterers] too.






And about breastfeeding an adult, here is another evidence

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

Too bad, I get still get you more



Do you Muslims (plural) still do breastfeeding for adult men?


If it is solely about Salim, can you explain each of the hadiths below

Sunan Ibn Majah 1942
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
“Once of the things that Allah revealed in the the Qur'an and then abrogated was that nothing makes marriage prohibited except ten breastfeedings or five well-known (breastfeedings).”

Sunan Ibn Majah 1938
It was narrated from Ibn 'Abbas:
that the Messenger of was offered the daughter of Hamzah bin 'Abdul-Muttalib in marriage, and he said: "She is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding, and breastfeeding makes unlawful (for marriage) the same things that blood ties make unlawful.”

Musnad Ahmad 1099
It was narrated from `Ali :
I said: O Messenger of Allah, why do you marry from Quraish and not from us? He said: “Do you have anyone?` I said: The daughter of Hamzah. He said: `She is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding.“

Musnad Ahmad 620
It was narrated that ‘Ali said:
O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), why do you choose to get married from among Quraysh and you ignore us? He said: `Have you anybody to suggest?` I said: Yes, the daughter of Hamzah. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: `She is not permissible for me (to marry), for she is the daughter of my brother through breastfeeding.`

There is no escape for you sir!

Unfortunately you know so much but are ignorant. Language is a complex and dynamic system that allows for the expression of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. One of its most fascinating aspects is the ability of words to convey meanings that differ from their standard definitions. This phenomenon can occur through various linguistic mechanisms, including metaphor, irony, idioms, and Language is a complex and dynamic system that allows for the expression of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. One of its most fascinating aspects is the ability of words to convey meanings that differ from their standard definitions. This phenomenon can occur through various linguistic mechanisms, including metaphor, irony, idioms, and context. Does the idiom kick the bucket agree with the literal meaning of the phrase?

You get your conviction of Allah having two physical shapes from where? Allah or the statements of other fallible mortals?

The only punishment in the Quran for fornication and adultery is public flogging which is humiliating.


You keep going to hadith to prove the previous existence of a Quran verse? Is there a breach in transmission between whay your eyes read and your brain?

It took about 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad for hadith to be organised do you imply Muslims in this time didn't understand the Quran? Do you not understand most translations of the meaning of the Quran since you don't understand arabic?

The hadith you quote on forbidden marriages is based on Quran 4:23.

Is Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful not clear without the hadith.

Note that the verse and hadith emphasises nurse mothers breastfeeding infants not adults.

TenQ:
Why don't you explain exactly what happened with Abraham according to the Torah!

Did you not answer it by saying:

The passage in Genesis you quote is not but T a physical manifestation of representatives of God before Abraham.

It was clear that God came with two angel


Gen 18:16-17:
"And the men rose up from there, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;"

Gen 18:22:
"And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD."

Too bad for you sir

I see you screenshot Quran 5:48 (And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you.)

You choose to ignore as a criterion over it why?

The phrase “as a criterion over it” signifies that the Quran serves as a standard by which previous scriptures are judged. This implies that any inconsistencies or alterations found in earlier texts can be evaluated against the teachings of the Quran.

Ohyoudidnt:
Unfortunately you know so much but are ignorant. Language is a complex and dynamic system that allows for the expression of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. One of its most fascinating aspects is the ability of words to convey meanings that differ from their standard definitions. This phenomenon can occur through various linguistic mechanisms, including metaphor, irony, idioms, and Language is a complex and dynamic system that allows for the expression of thoughts, emotions, and ideas. One of its most fascinating aspects is the ability of words to convey meanings that differ from their standard definitions. This phenomenon can occur through various linguistic mechanisms, including metaphor, irony, idioms, and context. Does the idiom kick the bucket agree with the literal meaning of the phrase?

You get your conviction of Allah having two physical shapes from where? Allah or the statements of other fallible mortals?

The only punishment in the Quran for fornication and adultery is public flogging which is humiliating.


You keep going to hadith to prove the previous existence of a Quran verse? Is there a breach in transmission between whay your eyes read and your brain?

It took about 200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad for hadith to be organised do you imply Muslims in this time didn't understand the Quran? Do you not understand most translations of the meaning of the Quran since you don't understand arabic?

The hadith you quote on forbidden marriages is based on Quran 4:23.

Is Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your [milk] mothers who nursed you, your sisters through nursing, your wives' mothers, and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in. But if you have not gone in unto them, there is no sin upon you. And [also prohibited are] the wives of your sons who are from your [own] loins, and that you take [in marriage] two sisters simultaneously, except for what has already occurred. Indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful not clear without the hadith.

Note that the verse and hadith emphasises nurse mothers breastfeeding infants not adults.

Except you are a "Qur'an Only Muslim", you have no authority to explain the Qur'an other than what your hadits and Tafsirs have said. I gave you more than enough EVIDENCES from your sources. To this , you have no say in the matter as you want to modernise your religion.

Sorry.

How can Muslims obey Mohammed outside the Hadiths?

Qur'an 4:80
"He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian."

Qur'an 5:92
"And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware. And if you turn away - then know that upon Our Messenger is only [the responsibility for] clear notification."

Sorry, the truth is most times bitter.

Ohyoudidnt:
I see you screenshot Quran 5:48 (And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you.)

You choose to ignore as a criterion over it why?

The phrase “as a criterion over it” signifies that the Quran serves as a standard by which previous scriptures are judged. This implies that any inconsistencies or alterations found in earlier texts can be evaluated against the teachings of the Quran.

Because I explained the word translated as criterion and it doesn't mean replace

But the word confirm is even much stronger!


Is it untrue that
the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) is derived from the root word "هَيْمَنَ" (haymana), which generally means to oversee, protect, or safeguard AND not to replace

TenQ:
Except you are a "Qur'an Only Muslim", you have no authority to explain the Qur'an other than what your hadits and Tafsirs have said. I gave you more than enough EVIDENCES from your sources. To this , you have no say in the matter as you want to modernise your religion.

Sorry.

How can Muslims obey Mohammed outside the Hadiths?

Qur'an 4:80
"He who obeys the Messenger has obeyed Allah; but those who turn away - We have not sent you over them as a guardian."

Qur'an 5:92
"And obey Allah and obey the Messenger and beware. And if you turn away - then know that upon Our Messenger is only [the responsibility for] clear notification."

Sorry, the truth is most times bitter.

What you fail to understand or deliberately refuse to accept is if a hadith contradicts a clear verse of the Quran, scholars generally regard the hadith as weak or it may be rejected.

TenQ:
Because I explained the word translated as criterion and it doesn't mean replace

But the word confirm is even much stronger!


Is it untrue that
the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) is derived from the root word "هَيْمَنَ" (haymana), which generally means to oversee, protect, or safeguard AND not to replace

You fail to understand context. Confirm in this case is strictly restricted to what is true and correct but not everything.

A criterion refers to a specific standard used for evaluation.

See two other translations of the meaning of the verse below


-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

We have revealed the Book to you (Muhammad) in all Truth. It confirms the (original) Bible and has the authority to preserve or abrogate what the Bible contains. Judge among them by what God has revealed to you and do not follow their desires instead of the Truth which has come to you. We have given a law and a way of life to each of you. Had God wanted, He could have made you into one nation, but He wanted to see who are the more pious ones among you. Compete with each other in righteousness. All of you will return to God who will tell you the truth in the matter of your differences.

-----Muhammad Shakir-----

And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

TenQ:
Because I explained the word translated as criterion and it doesn't mean replace

But the word confirm is even much stronger!


Is it untrue that
the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) is derived from the root word "هَيْمَنَ" (haymana), which generally means to oversee, protect, or safeguard AND not to replace

Check your translations again please

وَمُهَيْمِنًا is and dominant

هَيْمَنَ is dominated


Hope this gives you enough clarity

Ohyoudidnt:
What you fail to understand or deliberately refuse to accept is if a hadith contradicts a clear verse of the Quran, scholars generally regard the hadith as weak or it may be rejected.

Unfortunately, you Muslims take the words of your prophet and scholars above that of Allah from the Qur'an

1. Allah enjoined you to pray three times daily, but NO, you pray five times.
And this is from your hadith

2. Allah says you can do Halal prostitution aka Muta but NO, you (Sunni Muslims) do not do Muta again because from your Hadiths, your prophet forbade it.

3. Allah says you can open a brothel as long as you are not forcing your girls into prostitution, but you modern Muslims don't do so again (even though there is no punishment if you even force your girls into prostitution)

Sorry, your arguments doesn't hold water sir

Ohyoudidnt:
You fail to understand context. Confirm in this case is strictly restricted to what is true and correct but not everything.

A criterion refers to a specific standard used for evaluation.

See two other translations of the meaning of the verse below


-----Muhammad Sarwar-----

We have revealed the Book to you (Muhammad) in all Truth. It confirms the (original) Bible and has the authority to preserve or abrogate what the Bible contains. Judge among them by what God has revealed to you and do not follow their desires instead of the Truth which has come to you. We have given a law and a way of life to each of you. Had God wanted, He could have made you into one nation, but He wanted to see who are the more pious ones among you. Compete with each other in righteousness. All of you will return to God who will tell you the truth in the matter of your differences.

-----Muhammad Shakir-----

And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;

Are you appealing to a modern liar Muhammad Sarwar? Was he a Sahaba? Did he live at the time of Mohammed? What is his chain of authority?

He is not different from you trying to modernise Islam.

Unfortunately, you seem more knowledgeable than both Allah and Mohammed combined as they seem to have a different opinion from you.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?



If the Bible is corrupted, why did Allah ask us to judge by it?
Ae you saying that Allah couldn't protect his words in the Bible?

Ohyoudidnt:
Check your translations again please

وَمُهَيْمِنًا is and dominant

هَيْمَنَ is dominated


Hope this gives you enough clarity

This is simple:
Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) means to oversee, protect, or safeguard OR to replace?

Secondly, if it is to replace, how come the Qur'an doesn't explain ANYTHING (contrary to it being an explanation of everything in detail).


Example:
Let's see how unambiguous Allah is in the Quran from another verse!


Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?

Note: The Temple was completely destroyed by the Romans 550 years before Mohammed and it was a waste dump. Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found the waste dump in 638 AD rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem (completed fully in 705 AD)


As you can see, you don't have an answer outside the Bible and your Hadiths

NairaLTQ:
This is simple:
Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) means to oversee, protect, or safeguard OR to replace?

Secondly, if it is to replace, how come the Qur'an doesn't explain ANYTHING (contrary to it being an explanation of everything in detail).


Example:
Let's see how unambiguous Allah is in the Quran from another verse!


Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?

Note: The Temple was completely destroyed by the Romans 550 years before Mohammed and it was a waste dump. Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found the waste dump in 638 AD rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem (completed fully in 705 AD)


As you can see, you don't have an answer outside the Bible and your Hadiths

Provide a screenshot of your translator and the translation you present.

Don't jump into another argument

NairaLTQ:
Are you appealing to a modern liar Muhammad Sarwar? Was he a Sahaba? Did he live at the time of Mohammed? What is his chain of authority?

He is not different from you trying to modernise Islam.

Unfortunately, you seem more knowledgeable than both Allah and Mohammed combined as they seem to have a different opinion from you.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?



If the Bible is corrupted, why did Allah ask us to judge by it?
Ae you saying that Allah couldn't protect his words in the Bible?

Perhaps the translation you prefer is done by a companion of the prophet (sahaba) who most likely had no contact with the English or need to speak that language.


"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. [b]So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations [/b]away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."


You obviously have a selective style of reading and interpretation.

Do you think the phrase Judge by what Allah has revealed refers to the Bible? Remember you have said before that the books of the Bible are mainly writings of men you claim were inspired.

In any case is there any unaltered copy of the scroll of Abraham, Isaiah, Torah or Psalms you can refer to?

You don't understand the language saying the book revealed that is the Quran is a criterion over what preceded It?

NairaLTQ:
This is simple:
Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) means to oversee, protect, or safeguard OR to replace?

Secondly, if it is to replace, how come the Qur'an doesn't explain ANYTHING (contrary to it being an explanation of everything in detail).


Example:
Let's see how unambiguous Allah is in the Quran from another verse!


Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?

Note: The Temple was completely destroyed by the Romans 550 years before Mohammed and it was a waste dump. Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found the waste dump in 638 AD rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem (completed fully in 705 AD)


As you can see, you don't have an answer outside the Bible and your Hadiths

NO

Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) [s]means to oversee, protect, or safeguard[/s] OR to replace?

NairaLTQ:
Are you appealing to a modern liar Muhammad Sarwar? Was he a Sahaba? Did he live at the time of Mohammed? What is his chain of authority?

He is not different from you trying to modernise Islam.

Unfortunately, you seem more knowledgeable than both Allah and Mohammed combined as they seem to have a different opinion from you.

Qur'an 2:41
And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

Qur'an 2:89
And when there cometh unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession - though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved - and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

Qur'an 2:101
And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,


Are you reiterating that Allah and his prophet made some serious mistakes in these verses?



If the Bible is corrupted, why did Allah ask us to judge by it?
Ae you saying that Allah couldn't protect his words in the Bible?

Apply what you wrote to yourself first please.
The Quran doesn't contain breastfeeding adults or stoning the adulterer. Don't you get it from the scholars who you claim to get the hadith narrations you present from?

Please stop clowning or go find yourself a circus

TenQ:
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Musnad Ahmad 249
It was narrated that Yahya said:
I heard Sa`eed bin al-Musayyab (say) that `Umar (رضي الله عنه ) said: Beware of neglecting the verse of stoning, lest someone say, We do not find two hadd punishments in the Book of Allah, for I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) stone [adulterers] and we stoned [adulterers] too.




And about breastfeeding an adult, here is another evidence

If what you have written is absolutely true and correct please explain what stopped Umar or Abass from writing these verses with the Mushaf of Quran?

Remember that Ibn Abbas, known as one of the most prominent companions of Prophet Muhammad, was renowned for his deep understanding of the Quran and Islamic teachings. He was born around 619 CE and was a cousin of the Prophet.

Umar ibn al-Khattab, the second caliph of Islam, played a significant role in shaping early Islamic governance and jurisprudence. He was known for his strong leadership qualities and commitment to justice. Umar had a unique approach towards knowledge transmission, particularly regarding Hadith (sayings of the Prophet) and its relationship with the Quran.

Ohyoudidnt:
Apply what you wrote to yourself first please.
The Quran doesn't contain breastfeeding adults or stoning the adulterer. Don't you get it from the scholars who you claim to get the hadith narrations you present from?

Please stop clowning or go find yourself a circus

Only because you have deleted it from the Qur'an of Mohammed.

Your hadiths betray you sir

Let no one say he has the whole Qur'an: let him say instead, that he has what survived!

LOL

Ohyoudidnt:
If what you have written is absolutely true and correct please explain what stopped Umar or Abass from writing these verses with the Mushaf of Quran?

Remember that Ibn Abbas, known as one of the most prominent companions of Prophet Muhammad, was renowned for his deep understanding of the Quran and Islamic teachings. He was born around 619 CE and was a cousin of the Prophet.

Umar ibn al-Khattab, the second caliph of Islam, played a significant role in shaping early Islamic governance and jurisprudence. He was known for his strong leadership qualities and commitment to justice. Umar had a unique approach towards knowledge transmission, particularly regarding Hadith (sayings of the Prophet) and its relationship with the Quran.

The question should be WHY they lied against the Qur'an!

Then you should ask why no one used the Qur'an of Mohammed after he collected it and reordered the surahs as you have it now?

Ohyoudidnt:
NO

Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) [s]means to oversee, protect, or safeguard[/s] OR to replace?

The question is not yes or no BUT a selection between options.

Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) [s]means to oversee, protect, or safeguard[/s] OR to replace?

Ohyoudidnt:
Perhaps the translation you prefer is done by a companion of the prophet (sahaba) who most likely had no contact with the English or need to speak that language.


"And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. [b]So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations [/b]away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ."


You obviously have a selective style of reading and interpretation.

Do you think the phrase Judge by what Allah has revealed refers to the Bible? Remember you have said before that the books of the Bible are mainly writings of men you claim were inspired.

In any case is there any unaltered copy of the scroll of Abraham, Isaiah, Torah or Psalms you can refer to?

You don't understand the language saying the book revealed that is the Quran is a criterion over what preceded It?

All you needed to do was to pick your assumed mistranslated Arabic words and state why it is an error.


Otherwise, it's just liars supporting other liars!
LOL!

Ohyoudidnt:
Provide a screenshot of your translator and the translation you present.

Don't jump into another argument

Another excuse to avoid the argument.
Use your own translation of

Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."


And answer the questions below: this is the Qur'an not the Hadiths. You can even use the Arabic if you want.

I am waiting!

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?

NairaLTQ:
All you needed to do was to pick your assumed mistranslated Arabic words and state why it is an error.


Otherwise, it's just liars supporting other liars!
LOL!

Interpretation of an arabic sentence and in particular the Quran fails if you peak words in isolation. You should know better with your claimed understanding of Semitic language.

Literal translation may sometimes deform the implicit meaning of the lexical items, metaphors and metonymic words found in sentences, free translation is a more suitable way of conveying their connotative meaning.

I asked you to screenshot your dictionary or at least name it and you as expected feign reading.

NairaLTQ:
The question is not yes or no BUT a selection between options.

Does the the Arabic word "وَمُهَيْمِنًا" (wa-muhayminan) [s]means to oversee, protect, or safeguard[/s] OR to replace?

I believe this is addressed. I had started a reply somewhere here with NO and crossed your translation.
Do you fault the translation I gave? Show why!

NairaLTQ:
The question should be WHY they lied against the Qur'an!

Then you should ask why no one used the Qur'an of Mohammed after he collected it and reordered the surahs as you have it now?

Who lied against the Quran?
Was the Quran compiled as one Mushaf i.e written book by Prophet Muhammad pbuh?


Don't jump into another set of questions. This trait to gish gallop in a bid to try to confuse is not accepted.

NairaLTQ:
Another excuse to avoid the argument.
Use your own translation of

Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."


And answer the questions below: this is the Qur'an not the Hadiths. You can even use the Arabic if you want.

I am waiting!

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?

NairaLTQ:
Only because you have deleted it from the Qur'an of Mohammed.

Your hadiths betray you sir

Let no one say he has the whole Qur'an: let him say instead, that he has what survived!

LOL

Was revelation still on going at the time this statement was made or had revelation ended?

Please provide proof of your stand

NairaLTQ:
Another excuse to avoid the argument.
Use your own translation of

Quran 17:1
"Glory be to him(1) who took his(2) servant by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest mosque, whose surroundings we(3) have blessed, to show him(4) of our signs. Indeed, he(5) is the Hearing, the Seeing."


And answer the questions below: this is the Qur'an not the Hadiths. You can even use the Arabic if you want.

I am waiting!

From the Quran Alone can you answer these Questions
1. Who is the one speaking here: Allah or Mohammed or Jibril”
Note: Moses was mentioned in Quran 17:2
2. Which servant was taken by night is it Moses or David or Mohammed?
3. If we assume that Allah is him(1) and his(2), who is the we(3)?
Note: him(1) and him(2) is singular but we(3) is plural
4. Are the him(4) and the he(5) different or the same?
5. Who is to be shown the signs?
6. Where is this Sacred Mosque?
7. Where is this farthest Mosque whose surroundings has been blessed?

I see your claims are not verifiable. What are you trying to pull the wool over my eyes?

Which translator do you use or is it an Arabian friend who is law unto self?