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tctrills:
First of all, you made that up. Moses was never refered to as the mediator. Again, before Moses, who was the mediator for people like Abraham and Abel?
So if having faith in Christ was not a requirement for salvation according to you, there was no real need for Jesus to come. If Abraham, Moses and Abel don't need him for their salvation, why did he have to suffer so much and die for nothing when in reality humans could be saved without his sacrifice. Lastly, Galatians 3 clearly taught that Abraham had faith in Christ.
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16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Here it teaches about God's promises to Abraham.
Jesus Christ was the center of it. It's much older than the laws of moses. Abraham did not live by the law of moses. He was saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Oga below is Galatians 3:19. Was Moses called a mediator? Yes or no? I no get time for plenty talk.

MaxInDHouse:
Wisdom doesn't come from reading rather it's from listening to the chosen brothers of Christ.

"Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of the heavens, but only the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will" Matthew 7:21

Many like David called the Christ Lord! Lord!! but never practiced what Jesus taught so they are not his followers or Christians!

Again you are wrong. If what you really believe is the word of your leaders, then no need for you to come here to discuss the bible. Since you will argue against the word of God, just stick to the words of your leaders.
Now listen to the purpose of the Law of Moses
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The purpose of the law was to bring men to Christ. So anyone following the law was clearly following Christ.

tctrills:
But you are listening to false men of God. Men who deny the word of God. That's tour only problem

You that doesn't even know what Christians means want to tell me who are true men of God.

Ọmọ you're really funny o!

Michael547:
Oga below is Galatians 3:19. Was Moses called a mediator? Yes or no?

Oga that's a fake translation of Gal 3.19
Below is the real Galatians 3.19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Please what version of the bible are you using. Let's start from there.

tctrills:
Oga that's a fake translation of Gal 3.19
Below is the real Galatians 3.19
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Please what version of the bible are you using. Let's start from there.

You are dubious for calling NLT a fake translation.
Oga if you join Galatians 3:19 and John 1:17. You would know that Moses was the mediator between the isrealites and God.
So who was the mediator that Paul was referring to in that verse.

MaxInDHouse:
You that doesn't even know what Christians means want to tell me who are true men of God.

Ọmọ you're really funny o!

Because I don't accept your leaders false teachings you call me funny. Oga let's stick to the bible and forget your leaders. The bible is the only common factor between us. Outside the bible, we.have no discussion.

tctrills:
The purpose of the law was to bring men to Christ. So anyone following the law was clearly following Christ.

And one of the rulers questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother.’” Then he said: “All of these I have kept from youth on.” After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich. Luke 18:18-23

This man PRACTICED everything the law says but refused to FOLLOW Jesus.

Is he a CHRISTIAN?

tctrills:
Because I don't accept your leaders false teachings you call me funny. Oga let's stick to the bible and forget your leaders. The bible is the only common factor between us. Outside the bible, we.have no discussion.

Ọmọ go and learn from your pastors in the churches of Christendom after all they don't know what a Christian means!

MaxInDHouse:
And one of the rulers questioned him, saying: “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit everlasting life?” Jesus said to him: “Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except one, God. You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother.’” Then he said: “All of these I have kept from youth on.” After hearing that, Jesus said to him, “There is still one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute the proceeds to the poor, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich. Luke 18:18-23

This man PRACTICED everything the law says but refused to FOLLOW Jesus.

Is he a CHRISTIAN?

You are confused. Ananias and Sapphira also refused to give all their money to the church, are they not christians

Michael547:
You are dubious for calling NLT a fake translation.
Oga if you join Galatians 3:19 and John 1:17. You would know that Moses was the mediator between the isrealites and God.
So who was the mediator that Paul was referring to in that verse.

It's fake because your version makes Paul a liar.
Stop using it. I have presented you with a version or translation I believe not your fake one.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
The verse above proofs that your translation is false and fake

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ go and learn from your pastors in the churches of Christendom after all they don't know what a Christian means!

I choose to learn from the word of God

tctrills:
You are confused. Ananias and Sapphira also refused to give all their money to the church, are they not christians

Who commanded them to sell their properties and give the money to fellow members?

Jesus, the Apostles or initiatives of the group?

tctrills:
I choose to learn from the word of God

According to the Bible only those PRACTICING what Jesus taught are CHRISTIANS not all those faithful servants of God!

MaxInDHouse:
Who commanded them to sell their properties and give the money to fellow members?

Jesus, the Apostles or initiatives of the group?

Who took their life, Jesus, the Apostles or initiatives of the group?

tctrills:
It's fake because your version makes Paul a liar.
Stop using it. I have presented you with a version or translation I believe not your fake one.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
The verse above proofs that your translation is false and fake

Oga so who was the mediator in Galatians 3:19 through who the law was given to the people of isreal in Connection to John 1:17?

MaxInDHouse:
According to the Bible only those PRACTICING what Jesus taught are CHRISTIANS not all those faithful servants of God!

That's not the definition of a Christian. And Moses and Abraham practiced what Jesus taught them.

tctrills:
Who took their life, Jesus, the Apostles or initiatives of the group?

So it's not Jesus who commanded them to do so what they did is not compulsory rather they agreed with the group and lied that's what led to their death.

tctrills:
That's not the definition of a Christian. And Moses and Abraham practiced what Jesus taught them.

Blind argument.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself i hate deceit that is why you and i can't be on the same page.

Moses and Abraham can't practice what they never heard it's Jesus' disciples sent out to preach {Matthew 10:11-13} that were TEACHING people {Matthew 28:18-20{ it's not automatic knowledge they must be preached to and taught by Jesus' disciples before they can get baptized to become CHRISTIANS! Romans 10:13-15

MaxInDHouse:
Blind argument.

Ọmọ stop deceiving yourself i hate deceit that is why you and i can't be on the same page.

Moses and Abraham can't practice what they never heard it's Jesus' disciples sent out to preach {Matthew 10:11-13} that were TEACHING people {Matthew 28:18-20{ it's not automatic knowledge they must be preached to and taught by Jesus' disciples before they can get baptized to become CHRISTIANS! Romans 10:13-15

As usual you are confused
1. It was Jesus Christ that gave Moses the law so the law of Moses is actually the law of God given to Moses
2. Abraham's covenant that is still in force is centered on faith in Jesus Christ.
3. A Christian is one who believes in Christ and David definitely did.
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.
All the Prophets of old believed in him.
I hope this helps you
4. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The law will bring men unto Christ so following the law was same as following Christ.
The only difference was that when Jesus came, he gave a more advance version of his law. The only purpose of the Law of Moses was to prepare people for Christ.

tctrills:
As usual you are confused
1. It was Jesus Christ that gave Moses the law so the law of Moses is actually the law of God given to Moses
2. Abraham's covenant that is still in force is centered on faith in Jesus Christ.
3. A Christian is one who believes in Christ and David definitely did.
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.
All the Prophets of old believed in him.
I hope this helps you
4. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The law will bring men unto Christ so following the law was same as following Christ.
The only difference was that when Jesus came, he gave a more advance version of his law. The only purpose of the Law of Moses was to prepare people for Christ.

Guy people who lived prior to the time of Christ are not Christians!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy people who lived prior to the time of Christ are not Christians!

That's jw false doctrines. If you can't believe the Bible then I can't help you.
My job here is to educate people from the scripture. I guess anyone willing to learn will read the verses mentioned and grow from there. So let's agree to disagree.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy people who lived prior to the time of Christ are not Christians!

These 2 verses explain the relationship between the old testament followers of Christ and the new testament followers.
Gal 3
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The purpose of the law of Moses was to led men to Christ hence followers of the law were followers of Christ.
I know you are not learning anything here but let's leave it for those who come to learn.

Michael547:
Oga so who was the mediator in Galatians 3:19 through who the law was given to the people of isreal in Connection to John 1:17?

I told you that your translation of the bible is fake and you called me dubious. Now let me ask you, do you accept every translation of the bible?
If even you would not accept every translation, when then do you expect me to accept a false one especially when I presented you with a correct one?

tctrills:
let's agree to disagree.

There's nothing to agree upon.

People who never knew the Christ in person or learn how to practice CHRISTIANITY are not Christians. Period!

MaxInDHouse:
There's nothing to agree upon.

People who never knew the Christ in person or learn how to practice CHRISTIANITY are not Christians. Period!

You see confused. You don't know Christ in person. If He walked pass you on the streets you would have no clue.
If the law of Moses was to led them to Christ then followers of the Law of Moses are followers of Christ doing his will.
Again, let's agree to disagree.

tctrills:
You see confused. You don't know Christ in person. If He walked pass you on the streets you would have no clue.
If the law of Moses was to led them to Christ then followers of the Law of Moses are followers of Christ doing his will.
Again, let's agree to disagree.

@ Luke 18:18-23

The man did everything the mosaic law says yet he will not follow Jesus that's evidence of the fact that the laws doesn't automatically lead to Christ some must be trained to preach and teach how the Christ relate with the laws {Matthew 10:11-13} otherwise millions of Jews carrying the laws in their heads today won't be claiming that Jesus was an impostor. Matthew 27:63

So before anyone could become a Christian he must have seen or heard from Jesus or Jesus' disciples! Romans 10:13-15

I know you love arguing blindly that's why there can never be any agreement between you and i!

MaxInDHouse:
@ Luke 18:18-23

The man did everything the mosaic law says yet he will not follow Jesus that's evidence of the fact that the laws doesn't automatically lead to Christ some must be trained to preach and teach how the Christ relate with the laws {Matthew 10:11-13} otherwise millions of Jews carrying the laws in their heads today won't be claiming that Jesus was an imposter. Matthew 27:63

So before anyone could become a Christian he must have seen or heard from Jesus or Jesus' disciples! Romans 10:13-15

I know you love arguing blindly that's why there can never be any agreement between you and i!

Oga there are many modern Christians that would also miss heaven so what is your point. The bible never says you should hear from Jesus before you become a Christian. Romans 10.13 to 15. You have a point but Jesus said
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me
So yes, the old testament and the new testament both testify of Christ
When Jesus Christ made the above statement, he was talking about the old testament. Both the 9ld and new testament preach about him so again you are wrong.

MaxInDHouse:
@ Luke 18:18-23

The man did everything the mosaic law says yet he will not follow Jesus that's evidence of the fact that the laws doesn't automatically lead to Christ some must be trained to preach and teach how the Christ relate with the laws {Matthew 10:11-13} otherwise millions of Jews carrying the laws in their heads today won't be claiming that Jesus was an impostor. Matthew 27:63

So before anyone could become a Christian he must have seen or heard from Jesus or Jesus' disciples! Romans 10:13-15

I know you love arguing blindly that's why there can never be any agreement between you and i!

You have a point with the verses Romans 10.13.15
But remember philip and the ethiopian. Philip taught the eunuch about Christ using the old testament so clearly the old testament preached Christ.

So when you mention Romans 19.13 to 15
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
You are wrong because Jesus Christ says the old testament testifies of him.

tctrills:
You have a point with the verses Romans 10.13.15
But remember philip and the ethiopian. Philip taught the eunuch about Christ using the old testament so clearly the old testament preached Christ.

So when you mention Romans 19.13 to 15
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
You are wrong because Jesus Christ says the old testament testifies of him.

If the Old Testament talked about Christ then why do the Jews who have the laws need disciples of Jesus to preach and teach them about Christianity? Matthew 10:6

Of course it's what was written in the Old Testament that Christians used to prove that Jesus is the promised Christ if Jesus didn't train his disciples to preach and teach nobody can become a Christian.

So Abraham, Moses or David who never heard or were taught about Jesus only had the promises just as all other Israelites they can't become Christians unless Jesus or his TRAINED disciples preach to and teach them!

MaxInDHouse:

If the Old Testament talked about Christ then why do the Jews who have the laws need disciples of Jesus to preach and teach them about Christianity? Matthew 10:6
The answer is in Gal.3

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Do you understand or do I need to do the explaining again

Of course it's what was written in the Old Testament that Christians used to prove that Jesus is the promised Christ if Jesus didn't train his disciples to preach and teach nobody can become a Christian.
Moses did not need the training of the disciples
David did not need the disciples to recognize his Lord.
And Abraham did not need the disciples to enter a Christ based covenant with him


So Abraham, Moses or David who never heard or were taught about Jesus only had the promises just as all other Israelites they can't become Christians unless Jesus or his TRAINED disciples preach to and teach them!

It's not written that they knew what we know today but I don't do guesswork. I can't tell if they knew as much as we do or not but it does not matter.
The bible teaches,
Isaiah 28:10
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10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
God did not give all his truths at once. Even we still do not know everything.
Paul wrote
1 Corinthians 13:12

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
God's works are not done and his revelations are not over. It here a little and there a little.

tctrills:
It's not written that they knew what we know today but I don't do guesswork. I can't tell if they knew as much as we do or not but it does not matter.

Of course only those who walked with Jesus and those who later learned from them can have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE about the Christ all those that lived before Jesus only had partial knowledge because they got prophecies they can't fully understand not to talk of practice what the Christ will teach.

So they are not Christians!

MaxInDHouse:
Of course only those who walked with Jesus and those who later learned from them can have ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE about the Christ all those that lived before Jesus only had partial knowledge because they got prophecies they can't fully understand not to talk of practice what the Christ will teach.

So they are not Christians!

Oga you have finally agreed with me without knowing. Both he that has a partial knowledge or he that thinks he knows everything are all Christians.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question.
Imagine the Ethiopian eunuch died immediately after his baptism, at that time, he knows extremely little about the gospel of Jesus Christ which he just accepted,does he not qualify as a Christian.
Honestly you have made my point.