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Gerrard59:
France in cahoots with the US ruined that country. France itself does not have a good history or reputation with black dominated environments. Also, Haiti is in the Americas, aka the Monroe Doctrine. Thus limiting any trade, military or scientific collaboration I will want to have with the Chinese. Nearby Gabon the Chinese provide funds for its military, and the US suddenly invited the president for what-I-don't-know.

anonimi:
How and why is the Dominican Republic, which shares the same island with Haiti, so much different?

How and why did the Japanese turn out so well with American domination after WWII?

When will we address our own shortcomings as blacks, in order to make meaningful progress

anonimi:
How and why is the Dominican Republic, which shares the same island with Haiti, so much different?

How and why did the Japanese turn out so well with American domination after WWII?。
When will we address our own shortcomings as blacks, in order to make meaningful progress

IbeOkehie:
Seriously...despite all the colonization, racism and what not, Black Africans could do better IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY to do better.

It's not the White Man holding us back. Deep down I think you know it. Don't ruin or damage your life with hope of an African Renaissance. It won't happen. Marry a nice Japanese girl and be done with it. And the Chinese are worse than the White Man. A thousand times worse. You've been warned. Good Luck to Nigerians.

Gerrard59:
The United States massively helped Japan back to its feet by providing intellectual property, openness of the US market and favourable deals. As Japan grew tremendously as a result of its hard work where its firms challenged their American counterparts, the United States cut its wings with the Plaza Accord. It is that similar deal the Chinese have refused to sign. So, yes, the Japanese worked hard to be where they are today, but they had strong American assistance. Ditto for South Korea which had assistance from Japan, and China had investments from Japan and an open market to the US. Europe on its own had the Marshall Plan Act.

As for the Dominican Republic, as the other poster stated, the Portuguese/Spaniards were not as destructive as the French. See the miscegenation they did across South America compared to the One-Drop Rule Anglo-Americans did in the US. But generally, the French have been terribly bad towards black countries, and even other colonies. Haiti was forced to pay huge loans because it challenged French colonial powers. I cannot think of a prosperous country whose previous colonial masters were the French. It is that bad.

Gerrard59:
In relation to black Africans? No. The majority of Nigerians and other Africans enjoy certain technologies and infrastructure as a result of the decision of the Chinese to spread them to Africa. The roads, telecommunications infrastructure, railways, airports, sea ports, factories, mining, heavy-duty equipment etc. Without the Chinese immense contributions and investments, Africa would have been much poorer than it is and MANY Africans would have been starved of ubiquitous technologies in other parts of the world.

No race or country is perfect, but the Chinese have been a hooge blessing to Africa(ns), nay black people, without the dehumanisation we received in the past 400+ years.

IbeOkehie:
Seriously...despite all the colonization, racism and what not, Black Africans could do better IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY to do better.

It's not the White Man holding us back. Deep down I think you know it. Don't ruin or damage your life with hope of an African Renaissance. It won't happen.

Gerrard59:
In relation to black Africans? No. The majority of Nigerians and other Africans enjoy certain technologies and infrastructure as a result of the decision of the Chinese to spread them to Africa. The roads, telecommunications infrastructure, railways, airports, sea ports, factories, mining, heavy-duty equipment etc. Without the Chinese immense contributions and investments, Africa would have been much poorer than it is and MANY Africans would have been starved of ubiquitous technologies in other parts of the world.

No race or country is perfect, but the Chinese have been a hooge blessing to Africa(ns), nay black people, without the dehumanisation we received in the past 400+ years.

ramafama:
Hello IbeOkehie
What do you think is holding us back as Black Africans?

Gerrard59:
The United States massively helped Japan back to its feet by providing intellectual property, openness of the US market and favourable deals. As Japan grew tremendously as a result of its hard work where its firms challenged their American counterparts, the United States cut its wings with the Plaza Accord. It is that similar deal the Chinese have refused to sign. So, yes, the Japanese worked hard to be where they are today, but they had strong American assistance. Ditto for South Korea which had assistance from Japan, and China had investments from Japan and an open market to the US. Europe on its own had the Marshall Plan Act.

As for the Dominican Republic, as the other poster stated, the Portuguese/Spaniards were not as destructive as the French. See the miscegenation they did across South America compared to the One-Drop Rule Anglo-Americans did in the US. But generally, the French have been terribly bad towards black countries, and even other colonies. Haiti was forced to pay huge loans because it challenged French colonial powers. I cannot think of a prosperous country whose previous colonial masters were the French. It is that bad.

IbeOkehie:
Black Africans dehumanized themselves. We sold our own into Slavery to alien races. The Gods are haunting us.

The Haiti you claim was harmed by the West is populated by the descendants of people that Black Africans SOLD into slavery. That's easy to ignore and heap all blame on the White Man

Gerrard59:
In relation to black Africans? No. The majority of Nigerians and other Africans enjoy certain technologies and infrastructure as a result of the decision of the Chinese to spread them to Africa. The roads, telecommunications infrastructure, railways, airports, sea ports, factories, mining, heavy-duty equipment etc. Without the Chinese immense contributions and investments, Africa would have been much poorer than it is and MANY Africans would have been starved of ubiquitous technologies in other parts of the world.

No race or country is perfect, but the Chinese have been a hooge blessing to Africa(ns), nay black people, without the dehumanisation we received in the past 400+ years.

IbeOkehie:
LOL, White Man bad. Whitey Racist. Get Whitey

And which race is good? I laugh in Chinese.

Good Luck to Nigeria.

IbeOkehie:
Black Africans dehumanized themselves. We sold our own into Slavery to alien races. The Gods are haunting us. The Haiti you claim was harmed by the West is populated by the descendants of people that Black Africans SOLD into slavery. That's easy to ignore and heap all blame on the White Man

How and when did China develop? Who helped make China a developed country? China was once shared like a cake among great power nations, including your Japan. It was conquered and colonized. In the 1950s under their purist Communist system, they had constant famines and mass death from starvation. Since you admire or are so grateful to China, I trust you know WHEN and HOW they started their journey to development.

Now that China has managed to become a better country, Black Africans have come to beg for help. We're not asking China HOW they learned the art of fishing, we just want to be handed baskets of fish.

This is the same logic that has led our cousins in the USA to hate Republicans. They are racists. They hate Black people. They want to put us back in chains. If you don't vote against Republicans then you ain't Black

The Black African. Always begging and never thinking past the next meal. The Chinese Communist Party is now the next Messiah? LooooL, When China is finished with the Dark Continent, una go be like Nigerian Zombies regretting their vote for APC and turning into Wailers.

Right now as we discuss this, millions of Chinese are scrambling to migrate to the USA. Granted some of them are spies, but I believe the majority seek something more precious than wealth....FREEDOM.

Seriously, Black Africans are pathetic. Go ahead and submit to China. They offer better goodies than the gin and mirrors that our wise ancestors got to sell their brethren so 🤷 you might have a point.

Gerrard59:
The US offered the market to the Chinese in exchange for cheap labour. As the Chinese improved on the labour and acquired high-value skill set, they started their businesses. It was a transactional deal, not a one-sided thing. Western companies benefitted immensely from Chinese labour and a huge market. In return, the Chinese got investments and technologies. Just because the West is against China today because the latter has decided to say no to perpetual cheap labour designation does not mean we should distort the narrative. Chinese, both in the Mainland and elsewhere, worked to become where they are today. They got what they wanted and built on it. Moreover, China has always been a major empire. Na Opium War and conquest make am dull. But never again as the Chinese I speak to tell me. They rather die than have those years repeated.

IbeOkehie:
The only reason China has developed was the partial adoption of FREE MARKETS by Deng Xiapong in 1978. That's all, nothing else. Until Black Africans learn that lesson, they will NEVER become developed or prosperous or have high HDI.

The White Man can't help you, Chinaman can't help you, the future Alien Race coming from Mars can't help. The NUMBER ONE lesson from world history is everyone stay in your own environment with people as similar as possible, and TRADE with others. Colonialist mercantilism, fascism, communism, royal feudalism, all have been discredited by their visible and lived RESULTS.

Apparently you don't see the danger of millions of Chinese men suffering from a gender imbalance inserting themselves into Black Africa.

The Black African can't see further than the next meal. Do people even know what the Communist Party is about? Ever heard about the Uighurs in China? And you want such an institution in your country? Don't worry, we will learn. I'm DONE with this topic.

Gerrard59:
A clear example of someone who has detached himself from Africa and is not bothered with other parts of the world. I find your concern for Ugygurs to be quite hilarious. Quintessential American rhetoric.

ramafama:
Thanks for your answer. As black Africans we have entrenched this culture where we do anything (in the moment) to look go to our fellow man and to feel good about ourselves.
We need re-orientation as a people. I don't know if it would happen in my life time. Maybe not.

I remember a time in my Engineering final year on a trip to Warri Refinery in the 90s. We got to the Refinery, the Engineer there was so disinterested in the work and tour, wouldn't answer questions as we went around. His concern as we walked around with our HOD was to get our HOD to ensure his person blantantly got admission in University.
On that trip, I was encouraging all of us to band together to do something, build something for the future. No one was interested. They all believed they would get jobs in Shell or Mobil. Nigeria was good. We will all be fine. It would favour us.
Where are they today? I am fine but I am a broomstick. If we had done something together, we could have been a broom and we would have swept.

Sometimes, I wish the Lord would remove the desire I have to be part of the solution, to do something. I am getting old and I am tired of my people and their inability to see beyond themselves and their immediate needs.

Gerrard59:
As I stated, no race is perfect. My interest is for my side to win, nothing else. If winning means going to the Chinese, I will do it. I have stated that Africans should be better negotiators with outsiders, especially the Chinese. The Chinese shared railway technologies with Nigerians in Ogun and Lagos. Why did Germany not do it? If tomorrow Lagosians and Ogun people cannot grasp the technology, that is on them. But the Chinese have shared it. They also shared the same railway technology with the Indonesians as that was the deal breaker to win contracts versus the Japanese. Personal/group interests. If Germans offer more than the Chinese, we go with them. This is the same thing India does - India's interest is paramount over anyone else.

ramafama:
Thanks for your answer. As black Africans we have entrenched this culture where we do anything (in the moment) to look go to our fellow man and to feel good about ourselves.
We need re-orientation as a people. I don't know if it would happen in my life time. Maybe not.

I remember a time in my Engineering final year on a trip to Warri Refinery in the 90s. We got to the Refinery, the Engineer there was so disinterested in the work and tour, wouldn't answer questions as we went around. His concern as we walked around with our HOD was to get our HOD to ensure his person blantantly got admission in University.
On that trip, I was encouraging all of us to band together to do something, build something for the future. No one was interested. They all believed they would get jobs in Shell or Mobil. Nigeria was good. We will all be fine. It would favour us.
Where are they today? I am fine but I am a broomstick. If we had done something together, we could have been a broom and we would have swept.

Sometimes, I wish the Lord would remove the desire I have to be part of the solution, to do something. I am getting old and I am tired of my people and their inability to see beyond themselves and their immediate needs.

IbeOkehie:
My heart isn't bleeding for the Uighurs. My heart bleeds that the same methods will be applied in Black Africa, using FREE INFRASTRUCTURE as the key for penetration. Communism and Socialism and their political organizations are poison. They ALWAYS bring death and destruction. Don't worry, the Chinese are coming.

Good Luck to Black Africans.

IbeOkehie:
Siemens of Germany had a deal with our government about electricity. It hasn't helped and will not help because the deal isn't market based. The railway deal with China won't do much good because all rail systems in Nigeria are owned by government.

Petrol refinery is a comatose industry not because of Shell or Exxon representing Western imperialism, it's in that condition because there's no free market for petrol. There's PRIVATE mini-refineries operating in the jungle in the Niger Delta. I guess those ones are based on ILLEGAL technology transfer abi? The White Man...South African Boer racists for that matter....own or control MTN and have helped bring widespread telecom adoption because the telecom sector is free market based. I don't know what's hard to understand about this. Nigeria needs Free Markets, property rights and sound money management...at least don't print naira recklessly. The Communist Party of China will show Africans shege. Una never see anything.

IbeOkehie:
My heart isn't bleeding for the Uighurs. My heart bleeds that the same methods will be applied in Black Africa, using FREE INFRASTRUCTURE as the key for penetration.

Gerrard59:
As I stated, no race is perfect. My interest is for my side to win, nothing else. If winning means going to the Chinese, I will do it. I have stated that Africans should be better negotiators with outsiders, especially the Chinese. The Chinese shared railway technologies with Nigerians in Ogun and Lagos. Why did Germany not do it? If tomorrow Lagosians and Ogun people cannot grasp the technology, that is on them. But the Chinese have shared it. They also shared the same railway technology with the Indonesians as that was the deal breaker to win contracts versus the Japanese. Personal/group interests. If Germans offer more than the Chinese, we go with them. This is the same thing India does - India's interest is paramount over anyone else.

Gerrard59:
Agreed.


The US offered the market to the Chinese in exchange for cheap labour. As the Chinese improved on the labour and acquired high-value skill set, they started their businesses. It was a transactional deal, not a one-sided thing. Western companies benefitted immensely from Chinese labour and a huge market. In return, the Chinese got investments and technologies. Just because the West is against China today because the latter has decided to say no to perpetual cheap labour designation does not mean we should distort the narrative. Chinese, both in the Mainland and elsewhere, worked to become where they are today. They got what they wanted and built on it. Moreover, China has always been a major empire. Na Opium War and conquest make am dull. But never again as the Chinese I speak to tell me. They rather die than have those years repeated.


Yes and no. Previously and in some countries, they asked for fish. However, these days, African countries are demanding more from the Chinese - investments, factories and access to the Chinese markets aside from minerals. Thankfully, that is happening. In Zimbabwe, Chinese firms have invested in processing facilities employing hundreds of Zimbabweans. In nearby Zambia, an American firm Kubold Metals is only interested in extracting the minerals and onward to the US. The EU sued Indonesia in court (WTO) for "daring" to institute that all minerals must be processed in Indonesia before export. What did the Chinese do? They set up factories across the archipelago. What is the US doing? Passing laws that prevent exports from Indonesia if Chinese firms were behind the extraction and processing. The question is: if the US so much adored Indonesian minerals, why didn't it invest and process as the Chinese did? Meanwhile, for Kenya and South Africa agribusinesses, tariffs and market access have been granted by China and many other African countries.


To be fair, no one likes black people. Even black people don't like themselves.


This is not APC, and even if it were, people can clearly see the difference between the Chinese and the US. Surveys across the world have proven that aside from the West and its allies, residents in other countries prefer China to the US. Why should Nigeria nay Africa be different?


Migration is human. To be a human is to migrate. People will always migrate.


No one is submitting except the person is a mumu and an ignoramus. People are out for their interests. The Chinese fuifil them, so it is logical to do deals with them.

haybhi1:
1. But there isn't any free infrastructure from China to us. They get paid in full or bits.

2. Please the free market you opinionate profoundly, how do you think a setting like Nigeria can exactly practice it? What's your roadmap? Since it's a lot complex than it sounds to us, it might be simpler to exercise to you. Please share your recipe.

haybhi1:
Hi Gerrard.59, not doubting you at all, but looked the news for Chinese sharing us intellectual training of train technology with futile end. Care to share source?