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tctrills:
Another simple way to look at it.

Do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Word of God?
If so, the entire old testament has the word of God and those who followed the words of the prophets were following the word of God (Jesus Christ)
This is the simplest way I can explain it to you.

tctrills:
For your second question, read your Bible for more these are just a few examples.
For your first question, that should be a question to Jesus Christ. But he is the law giver and he has the right to change it. I will not question his authority and you shouldn't either.

From your comments above, Where did Jesus claim to have given the laws that he later changed? According to your explanation above, is Jesus the law giver of the old laws or he is the law itself?

If following the old laws was the same as following Christ according to your comment above, Would changing the old laws not mean that Jesus was changing himself?

What about the rest of the old laws that Jesus did not mention or talk about, are we under obligation to follow them since following the old laws means following Christ according to you?

Michael547:
From your comments above, Where did Jesus claim to have given the laws that he later changed? According to your explanation above, is Jesus the law giver of the old laws or he is the law itself?
If following the old laws was the same as following Christ according to your comment above, Would changing the old laws not mean that Jesus was changing himself?
What about the rest of the old laws that Jesus did not mention or talk about, are we under obligation to follow them since the old laws means following Christ according to you?

Walahi talahi you like trouble o!

From your comments above, Where did Jesus claim to have given the laws that he later changed? According to your explanation above, is Jesus the law giver of the old laws or he is the law itself?
This is an already answered question. We both agreed that Jesus is the word of God so that answers your question. The old testament contains the word of God.

If following the old laws was the same as following Christ according to your comment above, Would changing the old laws not mean that Jesus was changing himself?
How does changing the laws mean that Jesus is changing himself please explain.


What about the rest of the old laws that Jesus did not mention or talk about, are we under obligation to follow them since following the old laws means following Christ according to you
Hope you know that when the bible talks about the laws, it refers to the law of Moses and not the entire old testament? So you need to be specific.
Jesus Christ says
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So you are still required to honour you father and mother, and not have any God before him and we can go on and on until all be fulfilled as he said.

tctrills:
This is an already answered question. We both agreed that Jesus is the word of God so that answers your question. The old testament contains the word of God.

For your second question, read your Bible for more these are just a few examples.
For your first question, that should be a question to Jesus Christ. But he is the law giver and he has the right to change it. I will not question his authority and you shouldn't either.

From your comments above, Where did Jesus claim to have given the laws that he later changed?

How does changing the laws mean that Jesus is changing himself please explain.

The answer to the above question is in your comment below.

tctrills:
Another simple way to look at it.

Do you agree that Jesus Christ is the Word of God?
If so, the entire old testament has the word of God and those who followed the words of the prophets were following the word of God (Jesus Christ)[s][/s]
This is the simplest way I can explain it to you.

Hope you know that when the bible talks about the laws, it refers to the law of Moses and not the entire old testament? So you need to be specific.
Jesus Christ says
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
So you are still required to honour you father and mother, and not have any God before him and we can go on and on until all be fulfilled as he said.

Are we obligated to obey all the laws in Exodus chapter 22 since following them means following Christ?

From your comments above, Where did Jesus claim to have given the laws that he later changed?
He doesn't need to make any claim. He is the Word of God. It's so obvious that you only need to read your Bible to understand this. Again he told you that " I and my Father are one." This alone answers your question. The laws of the Father are the laws of the Son they don't operate under different laws, every Christian knows this.




Are we obligated to obey all the laws in Exodus chapter 22 since following them means following Christ?
Have the laws been fulfilled in Christ? If yes, you have your answer. If No, you know what to do.
So please answer that question.[/quote]

tctrills:
He doesn't need to make any claim. He is the Word of God. It's so obvious that you only need to read your Bible to understand this. Again he told you that " I and my Father are one." This alone answers your question. The laws of the Father are the laws of the Son they don't operate under different laws, every Christian knows this.

You yourselves have said here that the father and the son are not the same person. So Where did Jesus tell you that he was the one that gave the laws that he was changing in Matthew 5:21-31?

Have the laws been fulfilled in Christ? If yes, you have your answer. If No, you know what to do.
So please answer that question.

Has the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 been fulfilled in Christ? Yes or no?

You yourselves have said here that the father and the son are not the same person. So Where did Jesus tell you that he was the one that gave the laws that he was changing in Matthew 5:21-31?
So do you have to be the same person to be one?
Again he said, if you see me, you have seen the Father.
Their plans aims, opinions are 100% the same. That's what it means.
If you ask Jesus Christ a question, you will get exactly the same answer as the Father will give you. They don't operate under different laws.
Hope you understand now.



Has the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 been fulfilled in Christ? Yes or no?
The laws in Exodus 22 were legal laws of state, Jesus Christ told you, my kingdom is not of this world.
Even you know this so why ask what you know.

tctrills:
So do you have to be the same person to be one?
Again he said, if you see me, you have seen the Father.
Their plans aims, opinions are 100% the same. That's what it means.
If you ask Jesus Christ a question, you will get exactly the same answer as the Father will give you. They don't operate under different laws.
Hope you understand now.

So where did Jesus tell you he was the one that gave the law because he and his father are one?
Was it Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?

Has the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 been fulfilled in Christ? Yes or no?
The laws in Exodus 22 were legal laws of state, Jesus Christ told you, my kingdom is not of this world.
Even you know this so why ask what you know.

Oga what do you mean laws of state? Is the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 not for Christians wherever they live?

[quote author=Michael547 post=131942912][/quote]Do you have a question here or are you just reposting my response

tctrills:
So do you have to be the same person to be one?
Again he said, if you see me, you have seen the Father.
Their plans aims, opinions are 100% the same. That's what it means.
If you ask Jesus Christ a question, you will get exactly the same answer as the Father will give you. They don't operate under different laws.
Hope you understand now.

So where did Jesus tell you he was the one that gave the law because he and his father are one?
Was it Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?

The laws in Exodus 22 were legal laws of state, Jesus Christ told you, my kingdom is not of this world.
Even you know this so why ask what you know.

Oga what do you mean laws of state? Does the law not belong to Christ? Is the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 not for Christians wherever they live?

Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

So where did Jesus tell you he was the one that gave the law because he and his father are one?
Was it Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?
Do you even read what you wrote. The Father and the Son are one. The laws of the Father and the Laws of the Son are One. They don't have different set of rules.
I shouldn't be telling you this nah?





Oga what do you mean laws of state? Does the law not belong to Christ? Is the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 not for Christians wherever they live?
It's clear that you did not understand me answer or you have forgotten your question.
First do you understand that the laws in Exodus 22 are legal laws or government laws? If you do, then I can explain better to you

tctrills:
Do you even read what you wrote. The Father and the Son are one. The laws of the Father and the Laws of the Son are One. They don't have different set of rules.
I shouldn't be telling you this nah?

I never said they have different set of rules. I am asking you if Jesus said he was the one that gave the old laws? Was it Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?

It's clear that you did not understand me answer or you have forgotten your question.
First do you understand that the laws in Exodus 22 are legal laws or government laws? If you do, then I can explain better to you

Oga you are funny ooo....Is the legal or government law in Exodus 22:16, 17 no longer from Christ to his Christian followers?
Oga has Jesus fulfilled the law in Exodus 22:16, 17? Yes or no?

I never said they have different set of rules. I am asking you if Jesus said he was the one that gave the old laws? Was it Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?

Your first statement already answers your question. The laws of Jesus is the laws of the Father.






Oga you are funny ooo....Is the legal or government law in Exodus 22:16, 17 no longer from Christ to his Christian followers?
Oga has Jesus fulfilled the law in Exodus 22:16, 17? Yes or no?
You seem to have forgotten the question you asked and the answer I gave you. The legal law was again fulfilled in Christ when he told you that his kingdom is not earthly. When he ruled over the earthly kingdom of Israel, he set the laws as the government do you get it now?

tctrills:
Your first statement already answers your question. The laws of Jesus is the laws of the Father.

Where did Jesus tell you that he was the one who gave the isrealites the law in Matt 5:21-31? Was it also Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?

seem to have forgotten the question you asked and the answer I gave you. The legal law was again fulfilled in Christ when he told you that his kingdom is not earthly. When he ruled over the earthly kingdom of Israel, he set the laws as the government do you get it now?

You are the most deceptive person I've discussed with......When did Jesus tell you that that the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 was no longer to be followed since he was the one that set the law for Christians? Which of the law of moses is not a legal law or government law from Jesus to the isrealites since you said Jesus ruled as king over earthly isreal? Is the law in Exodus 22:28 also a legal law that should not be followed for Christians today according to you?

Where did Jesus tell you that he was the one who gave the isrealites the law in Matt 5:21-31? Was it also Jesus that made the statement in Matt 3:17?
You have asked this question a 100 time but my answer is not changing. The Father and the Son are one




You are the most deceptive person I've discussed with......When did Jesus tell you that that the law in Exodus 22:16, 17 was no longer to be followed since he was the one that set the law for Christians? Which of the law of moses is not a legal law or government law from Jesus to the isrealites since you said Jesus ruled as king over earthly isreal? Is the law in Exodus 22:28 also a legal law that should not be followed for Christians today according to you?
You are the most confused person I have discussed with. Please calm yourself down and ask a clear question.
And I have already answered your last question.
I think you have a problem understanding your own questions.
In the days of Moses, the nation of Israel was ruled directly by the king of Israel Jesus. He established it's laws. But in his earthly ministry he said his kingdom was not of this world. So the law you talk about has been fulfilled. What is your question exactly?

Michael547:
You are the most deceptive person I've discussed.

That's why i always ignore him after knowing he is not sincere!

The law covenant Jehovah made with the nation of Israel is based on an agreement:

"Now if you will strictly obey my voice and keep my covenant, you will certainly become my special property out of all peoples, for the whole earth belongs to me" Exodus 19:5

So it's based on this agreement that Jehovah promised to make a lasting covenant with the nation of Israel if they strictly obey His laws Jehovah told them:

"I will raise up for them from the midst of their brothers a prophet like you, and I will put my words in his mouth, and he will speak to them all that I command him" Deuteronomy 18:18

Both covenants differs:

“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant. It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ‘my covenant that they broke, although I was their true master,’ declares Jehovah.” Jeremiah 31:31-32

The Mosaic laws will serve as a prerequisite to what the last prophet will bring because it's this principle that they need to keep in their hearts not the hard and fast rules that was so difficult for them:

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.” Jeremiah 31:33

That's why the other man finds it extremely difficult to become a Christian because unlike the hard and fast rules that people monitor the new covenant has to do with your heart where you don't need to be on close watch to do what is right as your heart moves you into doing what is right alongside other millions of worshiper, it's like you are all speaking the same language that all the adherents fully understood! Zephaniah 3:9

So it's clear that both laws are different that's why the Jews are saying Jesus is an impostor as what he's telling them doesn't align with what Moses taught them! John 9:28-29

But all is well only humble ones can take it not everyone! 2Thessalonians 3:2

tctrills:
You have asked this question a 100 time but my answer is not changing. The Father and the Son are one

since the father and Jesus are one, who made the statement in Matt 3:17?

You are the most confused person I have discussed with. Please calm yourself down and ask a clear question.
And I have already answered your last question.
I think you have a problem understanding your own questions.
In the days of Moses, the nation of Israel was ruled directly by the king of Israel Jesus. He established it's laws. But in his earthly ministry he said his kingdom was not of this world. So the law you talk about has been fulfilled. What is your question exactly?

What of the law in Exodus 22:28-31, should we follow those laws today?

since the father and Jesus are one, who made the statement in Matt 3:17?
Another foolish question that shows you have not been paying attention to anything I have been saying.
Explain how this question is in context of our discussion.
It's true that I am very patient with you but you should not ask questions that have nothing to do with our discussion.
I already told you how they are one and that they are not the same person so why are you wasting my time.






What of the law in Exodus 22:28-31, should we follow those laws today?
Honestly you are making me think you are really slow when you keep asking questions that have been answered.
From our discussion so far do you think animal sacrifice has been fulfilled in Christ or not.
Don't only ask questions. Try to remember the answers and learn.

tctrills:
Another foolish question that shows you have not been paying attention to anything I have been saying.
Explain how this question is in context of our discussion.
It's true that I am very patient with you but you should not ask questions that have nothing to do with our discussion.
I already told you how they are one and that they are not the same person so why are you wasting my time.

Lol....if it is not Jesus who made the statement in Matt 3:17 even though he and his father are one, then when did Jesus tell you that he was the one that told Moses the law since he and his father is one?

What of the law in Exodus 22:28-31, should we follow those laws today?
Honestly you are making me think you are really slow when you keep asking questions that have been answered.
From our discussion so far do you think animal sacrifice has been fulfilled in Christ or not.
Don't only ask questions. Try to remember the answers and learn.

Lol....is the law in Exodus 22:28-31 also a legal law that should not be followed by Christians today? Yes or no?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

lost false jw mad max


i am a Christian and i am a witness of Yahovah

you are neither, you are a false jw

Pro 14:5  A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.

Lol....if it is not Jesus who made the statement in Matt 3:17 even though he and his father are one, then when did Jesus tell you that he was the one that told Moses the law since he and his father is one?
Matt 3.17 has no link with Moses and the law. Please what point are you making here. Explain.
Or it seems you are saying that the Father and Son has different set of laws right?




Lol....is the law in Exodus 22:28-31 also a legal law that should not be followed by Christians today? Yes or no?
This question shows you have not understood anything I have been saying to you.
Please what does the bible teach you about animal sacrifice?

tctrills:
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Matt 3.17 has no link with Moses and the law. Please what point are you making here. Explain.
Or it seems you are saying that the Father and Son has different set of laws right?

show me where I said the father and son has different laws. I am asking you if Jesus himself said he was the one that gave the laws he Changed in Matt 5:21-32. Yes or no?

This question shows you have not understood anything I have been saying to you.
Please what does the bible teach you about animal sacrifice?

Is Exodus 22:28-31 only about animal sacrifice? Is the law in verse 28, 29 and 31 a legal law that we should no longer follow? Yes or no?

Are you a Christian or you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

show me where I said the father and son has different laws. I am asking you if Jesus himself said he was the one that gave the laws he Changed in Matt 5:21-32. Yes or no?

Good, so you know that the Father and Son don't have different laws or different followers that answers it. So you understand that the laws given to Moses represented the will of both the Father and Son and you understand that the faithful followers of God were followers of both the Father and Son then why are you arguing?

Michael547:
Is Exodus 22:28-31 only about animal sacrifice? Is the law in verse 28, 29 and 31 a legal law that we should no longer follow? Yes or no?

Please mention the particular law you want me to discuss

tctrills:
Please mention the particular law you want me to discuss

The three laws there

tctrills:
show me where I said the father and son has different laws. I am asking you if Jesus himself said he was the one that gave the laws he Changed in Matt 5:21-32. Yes or no?

Good, so you know that the Father and Son don't have different laws or different followers that answers it. So you understand that the laws given to Moses represented the will of both the Father and Son and you understand that the faithful followers of God were followers of both the Father and Son then why are you arguing?

So where did Jesus claim that he was responsible for giving the law to Moses that he was changing in Matthew 5:21-31 since he and his father are separate persons?

Michael547:
So where did Jesus claim that he was responsible for giving the law to Moses that he was changing in Matthew 5:21-31 since he and his father are separate persons?

The are separate person but the are one in government, policy so if the Tinubu government put out a policy, can the vice president distance himself from it? Now even the oneness of Christ and his Father is much greater than your president and vice.
It's impossible for both to have separate laws.
Again, hope you know that Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament.

Michael547:
The three laws there

Mention them please so we can discuss them one by one since you want to be spoonfed

tctrills:
Mention them please so we can discuss them one by one since you want to be spoonfed

Oga explain the three

tctrills:
The are separate person but the are one in government, policy so if the Tinubu government put out a policy, can the vice president distance himself from it? Now even the oneness of Christ and his Father is much greater than your president and vice.
It's impossible for both to have separate laws.
Again, hope you know that Christ was the Jehovah of the old testament.

Lol....here you go....where did Christ admit that he was Jehovah? Is Jehovah the president or the vice president?