₦airaland Forum

Kettle calling pot black!

This generation of Nigerian electorate don't know whatsup or they have shirt memory or don't know history.

Obj is the one that lay the foundation for all these corruption & co Nigerians are witnessing today!

Brendaniel:
When you tell them, they say all politicians are thieves, so they justify their action of picking the best of the worst set of thieves like Tinubu to lead them...

If all politicians are thieves then no nation in the world would have developed....




He would have been rated poorly if only most of the presidents after him performed better than him, especially Buhari and Tinubu that you both supported , everything you wrote here is all about election and not performance, nobody is calling any person a saint not even Obi, but can you compare Nigeria today as it was in OBJ's time, you guys just come out and spew nonsense because of tribal hate and dirty politics, look at the data below, you can't even compare OBJ and Jonathan.

Then setting the record straight, I witnessed 3 military governments before democracy in 1999 and I was in secondary school already, you guys have been so blinded with tribal hate towards the Igbos that anything the Igbos say or do, you guys are ready to oppose it.

Is OBJ not better than both of them in performance ?

There is no hate here, what Nigerians want is performance, any person who speaks the truth to you people is a hater

KingPure

Kurugu92

So conversion of Operation Feed the Nation Farm to Obasanjo Farm Ltd is about election? You mean it doesn't affect food production and Nigeria assets/economy?

Borrowing of $16b for Power reform and Nigeria and Nigerians cannot see any Power is about election and not economy? Are you aware that Tinubu is repaying that #16b loan now?

Are you saying that the money politics, raising Allowances of national assembly members deliberately for 3rd term political ambition is not affecting the economy?

Are you supporting conversion of national assets to personal?

Are you saying that the do or die election, killing and maiming of perceived political opponents, writing of election results while the election was ongoing doesn't affect the polity and the eventual leaders we produced?

Obasanjo shut Nigeria Universities for 11 months while himself and Atiku were occupied with building their personal universities. Is that a leader?

Harry Marshall was killed in his house in Abuja, Bola Ige was killed in his house in Ibadan and till today nothing happened and you're typing rubbish. How much of Obasanjo do you know?

Whatever you see happening today were results of Obasanjo failure, as the first civilian president in the 4th Republic to show good examples.

Therefore, if we're to name thieves here, Obasanjo should be first, followed by his VP then others that he groomed in his school of conversion of national assets to personal assets.

Please it's too early to get angry. And before you write your rebuttal, note that you're engaging a man at mid 50s so I know Obasanjo more than you.

Sharpsharp00123:
I understand u were still in d womb when obj was ruling but just Google

Who started all these election brouhaha we are facing today?
The tinubu n wike u blame all your life gave room for election but obj through Maurice iwu will declare winner even when people are still voting on d field

Obj has been a thief since a long time ago, go n listen to the song international thief thief(ITT) by fela

Obj was the president that started money politics in Nigeria, the senate we all want their salary to b reduced now obj raised their money then so they can give him a third term through constitutional amendment

The same obj that suddenly turns Messiah today was the same person who declared war on black out by borrowing 16 billion dollars only to convert it to personal use

The farm he now parades as Obasanjo farms otta, was named operation feed d nation which was meant to save Nigeria agricultural sector but today he's a Messiah cos he's insulting tinubu n co

This same man with S M afolabi scammed Nigeria with national id card only to kolobi d money

This same man that turns Messiah today was the same person who supervised haliburton scandal with atiku, the white man who was their accomplice Peter Jefferson has been jailed in his country but today same thieves are elders state man cos they are against tinubu we love to hate

My confessions by fayose, he made it clear they wrote election results on obj bed n even yaradua admitted the election that brought him in wasn't just

The obj u are praising today, I am sure if your obi contested against him then obj won't even supply election materials to d east

Brendaniel,with all you obi mumus now I can attest to d fact that hate reduce d brain cells

It is only a mad man that will insult tinubu n praise obj, it's just like praising a thief that stole 1 million but since he's now In your good book hes telling u to go after a thief that stole 100 thousand

I wish I can reverse d hand of time n allow your Messiah obi to contest against obj then u will know he won't even allow u Igbos vote let alone counting

Blessings on your spirit brother...

Children won't know and the so-called elders seem to have forgotten who this man is.

Calling others thief, what a hypocrite... SMH

What occupies the mind of a corrupt ruler is not how to improve people's welfare. Their primary motive is to turn poor people to cash, which ends up in their pockets.

correctguy101:
Blessings on your spirit brother...

Children won't know and the so-called elders seem to have forgotten who this man is.

Calling others thief, what a hypocrite... SMH

The question you should be asking is, is Tinubu's government better than his own?

The same way Tinubu's supporters see everything as politics to them. Instead of them to focus on governance, it is all about politics and politics and politics. Till date they are still playing politics with people's lives that are in hunger, penury and starvation.
Everything to them is all about politics and how to teach people politics.

correctguy101:
Blessings on your spirit brother...

Children won't know and the so-called elders seem to have forgotten who this man is.

Calling others thief, what a hypocrite... SMH

The Nigeria economy was far better and he handed over a debt free economy to his successor. The security of the nation wasn't broken like this during his tenure. It was during his tenure that teachers that were told that their rewards are in heaven started buying cars and building houses.
Yes, OBJ might have played the politics of do or die but other aspect of governance he was light ahead of any president Nigeria ever gotten.
Tinubu is even the worst for now and he has become a misnomer to governance in just 15 months of his tenure.

budaatum:
I never said I was perfect. I am just telling you that I can not assist the local government steal my local communities money!

I didn’t ask you to steal, if you comprehend my statement. But you didn’t.., the false equivalence in your response is clearly evident.

Tareq1105:
So conversion of Operation Feed the Nation Farm to Obasanjo Farm Ltd is about election? You mean it doesn't affect food production and Nigeria assets/economy?

Borrowing of $16b for Power reform and Nigeria and Nigerians cannot see any Power is about election and not economy? Are you aware that Tinubu is repaying that #16b loan now?

Are you saying that the money politics, raising Allowances of national assembly members deliberately for 3rd term political ambition is not affecting the economy?

Are you supporting conversion of national assets to personal?

Are you saying that the do or die election, killing and maiming of perceived political opponents, writing of election results while the election was ongoing doesn't affect the polity and the eventual leaders we produced?

Obasanjo shut Nigeria Universities for 11 months while himself and Atiku were occupied with building their personal universities. Is that a leader?

Harry Marshall was killed in his house in Abuja, Bola Ige was killed in his house in Ibadan and till today nothing happened and you're typing rubbish. How much of Obasanjo do you know?

Whatever you see happening today were results of Obasanjo failure, as the first civilian president in the 4th Republic to show good examples.

Therefore, if we're to name thieves here, Obasanjo should be first, followed by his VP then others that he groomed in his school of conversion of national assets to personal assets.

Please it's too early to get angry. And before you write your rebuttal, note that you're engaging a man at mid 50s so I know Obasanjo more than you.

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no one is calling anyone a saint here, is Tinubu a saint?


What you should be asking is, is Tinubu performing better than OBJ?

A man can be in his 50's and be very stupid...

So age is not the yardstick here, OBJ's performance is far better than Tinubu's own by far....

Leave all these long talks, provide data to back your claim, let me provide data to back my claim...

Brendaniel:
The question you should be asking is, is Tinubu's government better than his own?

And you think you're in a position to tell me the "questions I should be asking?"... Smh

You guys don't seem to understand things are getting worse with each successive administration. Some werey are even now lauding Buhari as better than the current occupant of Aso Villa... SMH

Na so una go jhus dey make blockheaded comparisms and giving praises to unworthy old goats.. Abegi

IfnobeGod20:
The Nigeria economy was far better and he handed over a debt free economy to his successor. The security of the nation wasn't broken like this during his tenure. It was during his tenure that teachers that were told that their rewards are in heaven started buying cars and building houses.
Yes, OBJ might have played the politics of do or die but other aspect of governance he was light ahead of any president Nigeria ever gotten.
Tinubu is even the worst for now and he has become a misnomer to governance in just 15 months of his tenure.

Na so..

Continue...

SMH

nairaman66:
I didn’t ask you to steal, if you comprehend my statement. But you didn’t.., the false equivalence in your response is clearly evident.

Signing for ₦100m is theft. Signing for ₦100m and accepting ₦50m so others can steal ₦50m is theft. And not understanding the equivalence is plain closing eyes to corruption.

correctguy101:
And you think you're in a position to tell me the "questions I should be asking?"... Smh

You guys don't seem to understand things are getting worse with each successive administration. Some werey are even now lauding Buhari as better than the current occupant of Aso Villa... SMH

Na so una go jhus dey make blockheaded comparisms and giving praises to unworthy old goats.. Abegi

So what is making the country get worse?

budaatum:
Signing for ₦100m is theft. Signing for ₦100m and accepting ₦50m so others can steal ₦50m is theft. And not understanding the equivalence is plain closing eyes to corruption.

In every argument, comprehension is key. Forget I ever responded to your comment.

Very very OBJ. But we know all Nigerian politicians are thieves. So who is less thievery amongst them should rule us. That person is Peter Obi.

But the igbos must beg the fulanis to forgive them of the sins of Aguyi Ironsi and co. 🙂

nairaman66:
In every argument, comprehension is key. Forget I ever responded to your comment.

I can just hope you comprehend what I have said.

DEROXMAN:
Only this man and yar adua especially ya adua meant well for this country yar adua even reduced fuel price as at 2008/2009. What pains me most is that the evil and useless people who protested against Jonathan then while fuel was 157 were the same fools selling at #1300 God pls lemme Japan abeg.

Shut up, Jonathan was great too but your tribalism will not allow you to say that because you see him as Igbo. Why are yoruba like this? Why? Why? Just evil all the time. Say the bleeping truth, Jesus!

Fareke:
https://dailytrust.com/thieves-cant-provide-good-governance-obasanjo/

How many corrupt politicians did OBJ prosecute in his eight years of government.


OBJ had eight years to either scrap or reform NNPC as he had a true-elected mandate by the people and was the Minister of Petroleum. Still, he did nothing and failed to reform the useless organisation that he created in 1977 with the appointment of Buhari as its first chairman. The older generation will recall the missing $2.8 billion in 1979.

oluztx:
Shut up, Jonathan was great too but your tribalism will not allow you to say that because you see him as Igbo. Why are yoruba like this? Why? Why? Just evil all the time. Say the bleeping truth, Jesus!

I cant say what i dont know because which minister surpasses diezani madueke in stealing and she happened to be jonathan minister so please

DEROXMAN:
Only this man and yar adua especially ya adua meant well for this country yar adua even reduced fuel price as at 2008/2009. What pains me most is that the evil and useless people who protested against Jonathan then while fuel was 157 were the same fools selling at #1300 God pls lemme Japan abeg.

where was fuel sold if #157 under Jonathan?
Fuel was #87, he removed subsidy and it went up to #100 but d world most stupid tribal professor Soyinka, Jagaban and other notable yellowba people and gullible fellows protested and today they have lost their voice and trekking legs and placard carrying arms and are suffering and smiling.
Jagaban 4/4

Brendaniel:
When you tell them, they say all politicians are thieves, so they justify their action of picking the best of the worst set of thieves like Tinubu to lead them...

If all politicians are thieves then no nation in the world would have developed....




He would have been rated poorly if only most of the presidents after him performed better than him, especially Buhari and Tinubu that you both supported , everything you wrote here is all about election and not performance, nobody is calling any person a saint not even Obi, but can you compare Nigeria today as it was in OBJ's time, you guys just come out and spew nonsense because of tribal hate and dirty politics, look at the data below, you can't even compare OBJ and Jonathan.

Then setting the record straight, I witnessed 3 military governments before democracy in 1999 and I was in secondary school already, you guys have been so blinded with tribal hate towards the Igbos that anything the Igbos say or do, you guys are ready to oppose it.

Is OBJ not better than both of them in performance ?

There is no hate here, what Nigerians want is performance, any person who speaks the truth to you people is a hater

KingPure

Kurugu92

and u think putin ,trump and xi aint crooks?


even biden is crooked


america aint heaven

sum prefer 2 die here , whos even getting paid 2 die there

tinubu knows he hasnt made many people happy but that doesnt mean u shud associate every issue with him

diamond68:
obj rest. all of you are cut throats and intergalactic multidimensional draconian bandits who have hijacked human bodies . masks. egungun

Sukkot rest ooo

Obj had many successes and many wins directly attributable to him as far as 1999-2007 dispensation is concerned. Your jagaban has none, not as a gov from 1997-2007 nor as president now.

No group Obj and that failure abeg

Well spoken

Kukutenla:
Let me quickly debunk some of the lies you folks in APC have allowed yourself to be fed just so you can hang on to arguably the biggest thief in Nigeria's democratic history
OBJ did not start election brouhaha. Election heist started in 1965 during the Akintola/Awo face off in SW. Another one was Ajasin/Omoboriowo in 1983. 2007 election was a farce. But Obj did not start election heist.

Lie. ITT was a song against Abiola not OBJ. I doubt you've heard the song before. It was in response to the Telecoms contract executed with much corruption. ITT was a telecoms company.

Another lie. Money politics has existed since the 80s in Nigeria. IBB banned former politicians from contesting due to their corrupt monetisation of politics. Monetisation of campaign happened under MKO Abiola in 1991. Salary of senate was not increased because of third term. That's a lie as well. The claim was that Ghana-must-go bags were given to senate members to approve third term for OBJ which was never substantiated.

Another lie. This was investigated by the House of Reps and found to be false. No $16bn was borrowed by OBJ and he actually built five gas powered plant as president. No president under him as built just one. You can check that fact.

Ota farms was started during OFN. But there's no evidence it was started with Nigeria's money. If you have bring it. There's no law against public servants running a farm in Nigeria.

Another lie. SM Afolabi was singularly responsible for the ID card fracas and OBJ ensured he was jailed. He died not too long after. If OBJ was part of the heist, he would have spoken out like Dasuki did to Buhari which you their e-rats conveniently ignored.

You lie! OBJ had no business with Haliburton. Only Atiku was mentioned and he was never indicted. The Congressman never met Atiku to give him any money

Same fayose was indicted in N2bn poultry scandal and impeached by his HoA under OBJ's prodding. Where's the poultry today? That's the man you're believing simply because he said something against a man you love to hate

OBJ contested against Buhari in 2003 and there were no reports of lack of election materials in NW. How can you compare tinubu to obj when it comes to stealing? Tinubu's thievery are clear to see! 24 years and counting and still sucking directly from Lagos tax while signing the biggest ever governors pension bill into law. Shall we also talk about how many Lagos State properties have been personalised and even the torrid and bitter kind of politics entrenched in Lagos till today. I always say if OBJ had siphoned enough money to be sharing to gobble youths and elderly and pose as an ethnic champion, he'll be a saint to clowns like you today regardless of his failings

u are a nitwit

See the rubbish u call defense

Iykoto86:
You guys will always sound same way each time person dey make better sense.obj till date remains the best presido to have ruled this country.but i know envy and wickedness no go gree una to say an.

u that u were a baby when obj was ruling

What do u know

Sharpsharp00123:
I understand u were still in d womb when obj was ruling but just Google

Who started all these election brouhaha we are facing today?
The tinubu n wike u blame all your life gave room for election but obj through Maurice iwu will declare winner even when people are still voting on d field

Obj has been a thief since a long time ago, go n listen to the song international thief thief(ITT) by fela

Obj was the president that started money politics in Nigeria, the senate we all want their salary to b reduced now obj raised their money then so they can give him a third term through constitutional amendment

The same obj that suddenly turns Messiah today was the same person who declared war on black out by borrowing 16 billion dollars only to convert it to personal use

The farm he now parades as Obasanjo farms otta, was named operation feed d nation which was meant to save Nigeria agricultural sector but today he's a Messiah cos he's insulting tinubu n co

This same man with S M afolabi scammed Nigeria with national id card only to kolobi d money

This same man that turns Messiah today was the same person who supervised haliburton scandal with atiku, the white man who was their accomplice Peter Jefferson has been jailed in his country but today same thieves are elders state man cos they are against tinubu we love to hate

My confessions by fayose, he made it clear they wrote election results on obj bed n even yaradua admitted the election that brought him in wasn't just

The obj u are praising today, I am sure if your obi contested against him then obj won't even supply election materials to d east

Brendaniel,with all you obi mumus now I can attest to d fact that hate reduce d brain cells

It is only a mad man that will insult tinubu n praise obj, it's just like praising a thief that stole 1 million but since he's now In your good book hes telling u to go after a thief that stole 100 thousand

I wish I can reverse d hand of time n allow your Messiah obi to contest against obj then u will know he won't even allow u Igbos vote let alone counting

Mr. Man, you can blame OBJ for playing the politics of do or die but when it comes to governance, OBJ was on top of the game. He was not ignorance of what his appointees were doing, he sacks those needed to be sacked when they are not performing.
Aside from the harsh politics he played which you took your time to reeled out, living the main issue of governance. At least still on record that OBJ's regime had a vibrant economy and he handed a debt free economy to his successor. Our GDP was at the all time high during his regime and till date it was only during his time that we had just one digit inflation.
Meanwhile, the issue of Halliburton you mentioned, there was no where in the case that OBJ's name was mentioned. It was mainly a case between Atiku and Jefferson. You cannot rob the infraction of someone on another. It's not today that appointees and those close to leaders have been committing graft, linking Halliburton to OBJ is untruthful of you.
You even went saying his Otta farm named to be used as Operation Feed the Nation, that he converted it to himself. Please if you're summon in law court, can you prove this assertion and lie of yours? You can abuse and ridicule OBJ of bad politics he played but trying to malign and rob on him graft, you're just been untruthful and venting your personal hate for OBJ.
OBJ handed over best economy to his successor, even as received broken and destabilised economy in 1999 but he never complained but tried his best to handover debt free economy, secured nation and a knitted nation where tribe, religion and sectionalism wasn't an issue.
Besides, what brought Obi into this conversation please? You people are insecured, you must bring in Peter Obi to issue not remotely related to him. The issue discussed by OBJ was mainly on governance and how political thieves will never bring good governance but all you can think of is Peter Obi and Peter Obi and till tomorrow you will still bring in Peter Obi because the man has become your oxygen you breathe.
During OBJ's regime people also insulted him, there is no regime that doesn't have fair share of blame in Nigeria. Making it as if it is only Tinubu people have been abusing made mess of all you've written up there. So far, there is no government that have been ridiculed and molested like Jonathan's regime, even to his immediate family and heaven never falls. Jonathan even loss some of his extended family to the ridicule but the man never reacted violently, the way some of you would have done if it was Tinubu then.
Stop this bile words, it is only myopic and insensitive person that will want to compare OBJ's regime and this failed and still failing Tinubu's government and those that doesn't know what growth is all about in governance.

HellVictorinho8:
and u think putin ,trump and xi aint crooks?


even biden is crooked


america aint heaven

sum prefer 2 die here , whos even getting paid 2 die there

tinubu knows he hasnt made many people happy but that doesnt mean u shud associate every issue with him

Who is associating every problem with him, the question you should ask is:

Should he should make things worse than he met it?

Is that what Chinese president, Putin and other world presidents you mentioned are doing?

If having a president is to make things worse than he met it then why do we have a president?

Broveens42:
Here lies the problem.
You can never make any headway as an entity when loots are not recovered and utilized to build modern infrastructure and agriculture, at least to ease off global inflation; the resultant effect would likely be an extinction of such entity.

If obj had delivered 2/47 electricity, modern interstate rail systems, ajeokuta steel, do you think people would be suffering much ?

The indices that may disintegrate the country might be self inflicted

just leave them

They don't care about any other thief they just want to blame tinubu for everything cos they hate him

Sharpsharp00123:
u are a nitwit

See the rubbish u call defense

The jaundice you wrote against OBJ was your bitter mind and not because you love this country but for your love for Tinubu and nothing more. The lies were toouch and no reasonable person born and witnessed those issues you raised will go and not react to those lies from the pit of hell.
Please learn to put things in perspective, you can defend Tinubu as you like but never introduce lie into it. I am even surprise that a normal human being that faced the government of OBJ and this 15 months of Tinubu will descend so low to malign OBJ and not face the reality of what Tinubu has turned the nation to.ay God forgive you people.

Tinubu as a case study.

BabaO2:
Obasanjo and his cronies stole $16B electricity money, present administration just recovered N12B out of N32B from one of obasanjo mistresses, that is just 1 item out of millions of dommy projects obasanjo and Atiku put forward to embezzle nigeria treasury. Self delusion and complexity is the problem of obasanjo, he should forever keep shut in this world.

those fools don't care

They just want to blame tinubu

badoh:
What is the difference here? Somebody laid a foundation of corruption which successive governments built on and this is the effect of what we are seeing today. You said it was not performance issue, what about the $16b loan his govt took to revamp the power sector? Where did the fund go to? If he had successfully used that fund for the purpose it was meant for, will Nigerians be crying for uninterrupted power supply today? Do you know how much he wasted to have the national Assembly ammend the constitution for him to have third term? Make I no talk again sha, he doesn't have the morals to criticize successive governments because he started it and they copied his template.

just leave them

They are ready to forgive the devil once tinubu can b blamed