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I'm not trying to be blasphemous house. But I think intellectual dialogue could help us all as a society.
Here is what I have to say. I am doing a research on slavery which I'm trying to make a video after it to enlighten our populace that European shouldn't be blame for trans Atlantic slave trade which the community of Internet scammers dodge behind as the reason why they are scamming them back now. But I was surprised when I checked the perspective of christianity on the subject. It was so terrible that I have to stop mid way and drop tears for horrible actions religion had watch on to happen to people that God claimed he created in his image. Even animals should be treated better compares to Bible narrative.

Although I have long left the fold of religion for some reasons. But I see this as barbaric of all.
One of the passage in the Bible that hurt my mind so much on this subject is Exodus21:20. In fact the whole of that chapter 21 shouldn't be allowed to read into children and young teenagers' hear. Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.


In my own opinion, I will advise the those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils. That book is too gory to feed our children.

Islam tried to mitigate or subdue in some cases. But it still accept having non believers as slavery but regulates their treatment. My question still remain, why should God who creates human want some in captivity of others. Irrespective of how lenient Islam stand on slavery, nothing is there to write about on the subjugation of girl/women right. It's like both religions have their different concentration on horror.

If abolitionist haven't fought tooth and nail to end slavery. Religion might still be smiling at it today. Thank you.

What I believe:



If there is actually a God out there,he will be amazed how just i am if eventually we latter meet. He will be amazed about how I ran away from God that ordained slavery which just men fought to eradicate. He will be delighted for fighting for the right of a girl child which some Gods had infringed. For I know if there is God somewhere as it has been claimed. He must be God of just.
But if opposite become the case,and the people's glorified God is the God and the one that ordains Slavery or the one that infringes on the right of girl child. That means Demon controls both life and whatever life you say is there afterlife. And for this; I am ready to pay everything for being just in any realm as long as I'm still conscious.

Better still is God created slaves from mud, though in reality, its some who wrote a story and claim God said.

You'd notice this on reading Genesis 2 where God is written to have created Adam and Eve after creating both male and female in his own image in chapter 1, and told them to eat less than those he told to rule and subdue and multiply.

Thankfully, the narrative goes on to tell how to free oneself from slavery, which is to test every spirit like Eve did, who then found the fruit they'd been told will kill them did not kill them, but was found to be good for gaining wisdom, and opened her eyes so she could see and free herself and her Adam from slavery in Eden from whence they became self employed and populated the earth and lived for almosts a thousand years.

adeniyi65:
■ I'm not trying to be blasphemous house. But I think intellectual dialogue could help us all as a society.
Here is what I have to say. I am doing a research on slavery which I'm trying to make a video after it to enlighten our populace that European shouldn't be blame for trans Atlantic slave trade which the community of Internet scammers dodge behind as the reason why they are scamming them back now. But I was surprised when I checked the perspective of christianity on the subject. It was so terrible that I have to stop mid way and drop tears for horrible actions religion had watch on to happen to people that God claimed he created in his image. Even animals should be treated better compares to Bible narrative.
Although I have long left the fold of religion for some reasons. But I see this as barbaric of all.
One of the passage in the Bible that hurt my mind so much on this subject is Exodus21:20. In fact the whole of that chapter 21 shouldn't be allowed to read into children and young teenagers' hear. Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
In my own opinion, I will advise the those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils. That book is to gory to feed our children.

Nonsense! You are here quoting from the Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel set up by Moses in the Land of Canaan, a nation which ceased to exist almost 2000 years ago, as the reason for slavery among other evils carried out by African Nations and European nations afterward? You need help.

A better suggestion would be suggesting an all-out ban on religion at that level and inclusion of critical thinking & SEL courses in the curriculum to ensure that when finally exposed to such material, students are better able to process what is written as written.

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! You are here quoting from the Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel set up by Moses in the Land of Canaan, a nation which ceased to exist almost 2000 years ago, as the reason for slavery among other evils carried out by African Nations and European nations afterward? You need help.

But have you forgotten that this OT consists most of the references for for 21st century Christians collecting and giving tithes. You can't neglect part of a book and choose others to suit your need.

adeniyi65:
■ But have you forgotten that this OT consists most of the references for 21st century Christians collecting and giving tithes. You can't neglect part of a book and choose others to suit your need.

Again, the cult/religion called Christianity is the problem, not the book. The book is clear in the context of that which you quoted. So, a better idea would be to entirely ban the teaching of religion/cults in primary schools opting instead to teach the children how to critically reason and process all information they are exposed to. Even if their parents are already engaging the kids in those cults outside of the classrooms, ensuring the kids are trained in the schools on how to properly process every data fed to them critically is the best way to go.

Kobojunkie:
Again, the cult/religion called Christianity is the problem, not the book. The book is clear in the context of that which you quoted. So, a better idea would be to entirely ban the teaching of religion/cults in primary schools opting instead to teach the children how to critically reason and process all information they are exposed to. Even if their parents are already engaging the kids in those cults outside of the classrooms, ensuring the kids are trained in the schools on how to properly process every data fed to them critically is the best way to go.

You are absolutely right on restricting the book from the reach of pupils till when they can have critical thinking of evaluation. But back to your submissions about God's law on people of canan in 2000 years ago. Why can't God abolish it if he loves all.the cherises it and he wants it to continue so he gave the horrible law to them. If the abolitionist haven't fight for the abolition of slavery in 18 19 century. Do you think religion could have stopped it?

adeniyi65:
In my own opinion, I will advise the those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils. That book is to gory to feed our children.

BLASPHEMY!!! Who are you to question the unquestionable Divine, Infallible, Absolute and Holy scriptures?
You will be burnt at the stake for this! 🔥🔥🔥

Everyday247:
BLASPHEMY!!! Who are you to question the unquestionable Divine, Infallible, Absolute and Holy scriptures?
You will be burnt at the stake for this! 🔥🔥🔥

Thank the abolitionist who helped stopped slavery, who knows wether today you might be in sugarcane farm in the Caribbean working helplessly without wage but crumbs of cheese to your mouth and scourge at your back.

The Bible is clear. God endorses Slavery


https://michaelpahl.com/2017/01/27/the-bible-is-clear-god-endorses-slavery/

adeniyi65:
■ You are absolutely right on restricting the book from the reach of pupils till when they can have critical thinking of evaluation. But back to your submissions about God's law on people of canan in 2000 years ago. Why can't God abolish it if he loves all?
■ the cherises it and he wants it to continue so he gave the horrible law to them. If the abolitionist haven't fight for the abolition of slavery in 18 19 century. Do you think religion could have stopped it?

Where in that book do you get this claim that the God of Israel loves all?

2. Slavery existed in almost all nations of the world from even before the Law was given by the God of Israel to Moses for the descendants of Israel alone.(The Israelites existed in slavery in Egypt for over 400 years before the Law of Moses was given to the people of Israel in the desert by the God of Israel.) As I mentioned earlier, the nation that was founded on that particular Constitution which is the Law of Moses was destroyed by the God of Israel about 1900 years ago — all of his laws including the slavery laws could no longer be implemented since the nation no longer existed. So, why this attempt by your person to link the existence of slavery to the God of Israel, to begin with? He didn't create it. He simply allowed the Nation of Israel also make use of it.

Kobojunkie:
Where in that book do you get this claim that the God of Israel loves all?

2. Slavery existed in almost all nations of the world even before the Law was given by the God of Israel to Moses for the descendants of Israel alone. As I mentioned earlier, the nation that was founded on that particular Constitution which is the Law of Moses was destroyed by the God of Israel about 1900 years ago — all of his laws including the slavery laws could no longer be implemented since the nation no longer existed. So, why this attempt by your person to link the existence of slavery to the God of Israel, to begin with?

I'm not linking the existence of slavery to God of any nation I have realized in my research that slavery existence is dated back to stone age and iron age 10000 years to 5000 years before Christ. When man moved from Hunter gatherers kind of life to agricultural settlement and started domesticating previous animals they used to hunt for food. Slavery started as a matter of encroachment on another people's territory to farm. My question is why would God aid the barbaric act? New Testament didn't condemn it either. If not for few resistant reasonable men who fought slavery, wouldn't Slavery still be a booming business while religion still keep mute?

Everyday247:
If so, we must give thanks to the great white man for they gave us Jesus, them field nigg@rs should have been put in cages for trying to resist those who gave us salvation.
Praise the White man!
Praise white Jesus!
😭🙏➕

I think you are trying to be sarcastic

adeniyi65:
I think you are trying to be sarcastic

😂🤣😂🤣😂 Just ignore me bro. I'm just catching cruise. Continue your discussion with the other guy.
( I hope the mods don't ban me 😓)

adeniyi65:
■ I'm not linking the existence of slavery to God of any nation I have realized in my research that slavery existence is dated back to stone age and iron age 10000 years to 5000 years before Christ. When man moved from Hunter gatherers kind of life to agricultural settlement and started domesticating previous animals they used to hunt for food. Slavery started as a matter of encroachment on another people's territory to farm. My question is why would God aid the barbaric act?
■ New Testament didn't condemn it either.
■ If not for few resistant reasonable men who fought slavery, wouldn't Slavery still be a booming business while religion still keep mute?

Humans chose slavery as their way. The God of Israel created a nation of His own in the land of men —a nation comprised of flesh and blood humans to interact with humans— and gave his laws to guide them on even how to interact with their slaves. His goal was not to ban what you consider barbaric. His intention was never to stop men or fight the ideas of men. His goal was to set up a nation on earth through which He would mine the people of Israel for Himself; that is what the book records.

2. The New Testament had no reason to condemn what the God of Israel had already set up because Jesus Christ made clear that He was also sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel by His Father meaning He came to ensure the completion of His Father's plan for the people of Israel.

3. Men instituted slavery and men abolished slavery. What has that to do with the God of Israel or Jesus Christ though?

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! You are here quoting from the Constitutional Law of the Nation of Israel set up by Moses in the Land of Canaan, a nation which ceased to exist almost 2000 years ago, as the reason for slavery among other evils carried out by African Nations and European nations afterward? You need help.

A better suggestion would be suggesting an all-out ban on religion at that level and inclusion of critical thinking & SEL courses in the curriculum to ensure that when finally exposed to such material, students are better able to process what is written as written.

cc nntr

Kobojunkie:
3. Men instituted slavery and men abolished slavery. What has that to do with the God of Israel or Jesus Christ though?

If we are to evaluate this logic above, I would have to bring an example for proper understanding of both of us. We are in 21st century and the trending warfare among super power nations is nuclear war. If an holy book should be written for us like that of the Bible. That submission of yours means Men instituted nuclear war, and if men wishes to continue with it or abolish it. It doesn't consign God
That means God can give us new law on how to kill/eliminate ourselves as he gave law to people of Canan on how to horribly treat their slaves?

adeniyi65:
■ If we are to evaluate this logic above, I would have to bring an example for proper understanding of both of us.
■ We are in 21st century and the trending warfare among super power nations is nuclear war. If an holy book should be written for us like that of the Bible. That submission of yours means Men instituted nuclear war, and if men wishes to continue with it or abolish it. It doesn't consign God
■ That means God can give us new law on how to kill/eliminate ourselves as he gave law to people of Canan on how to horribly treat their slaves?

1. Go for it!

2. I don't understand your reasoning at all. Why would you need this holy book written when all you need and have is your Constitution which details what is allowed in and by your Nation and what is not?

Again, the Law of Moses was the Constitution of the Nation of Israel — not Egypt or Babylon, but Israel alone. And that constitution, much like the Constitution of the nations that existed at that time allowed for the having and using of slaves.

3. I am having a hard time following your reasoning here. But the God of Isreal — not God of all of the Nations of the world— can't give you any new laws. Again the God of Isreal — not God of all of the Nations of the world—never gave you any laws to begin with. The only Laws He gave, He gave ONLY to the people of Israel, and that is the same nation of Israel which He eventually destroyed. He then gave a new Law to the people of Israel through Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. Go for it!

2. I don't understand your reasoning at all. Why would you need this holy book written when all you need and have is your Constitution which details what is allowed in and by your Nation and what is not?

Again, the Law of Moses was the Constitution of the Nation of Israel — not Egypt or Babylon, but Israel alone. And that constitution, much like the Constitution of the nations that existed at that time allowed for the having and using of slaves.

3. I am having a hard time following your reasoning here. But the God of Isreal — not God of all of the Nations of the world— can't give you any new laws. Again the God of Isreal — not God of all of the Nations of the world—never gave you any laws to begin with. The only Laws He gave, He gave ONLY to the people of Israel, and that is the same nation of Israel which He eventually destroyed. He then gave a new Law to the people of Israel through Jesus Christ.

It's clear already. God is less consign about whatever we make of ourselves no matter how terrific it is.




My opinion now. Man should learn to reason and solve their problems which they created themselves because God doesn't care

adeniyi65:
■ It's clear already. God is less consign about whatever we make of ourselves no matter how terrific it is.
■ My opinion now. Man should learn to reason and solve their problems which they created themselves because God doesn't care

1. Read the book! He never said He was concerned about all men on the planet. He swore that the descendants of Jacob were His only inheritance in the land of men meaning that the people of other Nations could live and choose whatever they would for themselves. (If you do not have the blood of Jacob coursing through your veins, you are on your own.)

2. God of Israel never said He loved all men; that lie never came from Him but from men who formulated those lies to deceive and delude their fellow men.

All of the nations of men, aside from that nation of Israel which once existed, have been reasoning their way out of the many problems before them for a long time; it is only those who use religion as a tool to manipulate the minds of the gullible that suggest otherwise.

adeniyi65:
It's clear already. God is less consign about whatever we make of ourselves no matter how terrific it is. My opinion now. Man should learn to reason and solve their problems which they created themselves because God doesn't care

All you need is a free home Bible study with Jehovah's Witnesses!

SLAVERY began the very moment Adam and Eve chose to become Gods from that day many among their children wants to live like Gods in the midst of others, the true God wants their descendants (mankind) to see how bad things will go with the decision the first human couple made that faithful day.

So it's not about the OT rather it's about equality among humans.
Are you ready to support God's kingdom where all citizens from the greatest to the least will be paid the same salary?
Take for instance the president of Nigeria and the man sweeping the streets of Lagos both pledged to serve Nigeria with all their strength so do you agree that both men should be treated equally and paid the same salary?

If not then you're among the promoters of slavery and nothing God will do to change that until His Kingdom (Government) is established on planet earth {Matthew 6:10} so continue managing human government that Adam and Eve initiated in the garden of Eden.

May you have PEACE!
j

adeniyi65:
I'm not trying to be blasphemous house. But I think intellectual dialogue could help us all as a society.
Here is what I have to say. I am doing a research on slavery which I'm trying to make a video after it to enlighten our populace that European shouldn't be blame for trans Atlantic slave trade which the community of Internet scammers dodge behind as the reason why they are scamming them back now. But I was surprised when I checked the perspective of christianity on the subject. It was so terrible that I have to stop mid way and drop tears for horrible actions religion had watch on to happen to people that God claimed he created in his image. Even animals should be treated better compares to Bible narrative.

Although I have long left the fold of religion for some reasons. But I see this as barbaric of all.
One of the passage in the Bible that hurt my mind so much on this subject is Exodus21:20. In fact the whole of that chapter 21 shouldn't be allowed to read into children and young teenagers' hear. Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

In my own opinion, I will advise the those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils. That book is too gory to feed our children.

Do you not already beat people under your control whether employees, children or slaves? Are you punished for beating them even today?

If you were indeed reasonable as you try to sound then you would have seen other commandments prohibiting slavery eg

1) Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shall not steal (whether persons or things. Exodus 20:15/17 expanded its scope) neither deal falsely".

It is dealing falsely to take a houseboy/girl for service which is what you told their lawful Masters (parents) only for you to turn them to slaves in your house and beating and evil treating them.

2) Leviticus 25:17 "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:"

3) Exodus 23:9 "Thou shalt not oppress a stranger:

4) Exodus 20:21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him:

5) Exodus 20:22 "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child".

6) Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:"

7) Exodus 23:6 "Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of thy poor in his cause"

Commandments which came after the whole world was evil and people like you committed every wickedness under the sun including slavery and after this Commandslavery began to drop.and change from what it used to be to another face we see today. And the Commandments are still there but people continue to be evil

New Testament too:

1 Peter 2:18
This verse commands slaves to show respect and submission to their masters, regardless of whether the master is kind or harsh

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

Prologue
Sometimes I wonder why God in the Bible approved things he does not want to happen! Abraham sleep with Hagar, his wife's slave and God (not Satan) gave them Ishmael. Later God gave Sarah Isaac. Then God sent Hagar and Ishmael away making Isaac the promised Child! (It was different with Jacob who slept with two slaves of Leah and Rachel.)

This shows that the son of a slave is lesser in worth than the son a freeborn in God's eye! There was no sin on the part of Hagar or Ishmael.
And why does God approve the fertilization if He would later reject the kid? Why was Abraham's case different from Jacob's?

Slavery in the Bible

1. The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

2. The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

3. The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!
4. What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

5. You would think that Jesus would inspire Paul and the New Testament to have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

6. Advise for Christian slaves
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

7. Finally Jesus's ending notes
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

adeniyi65:
I'm not trying to be blasphemous house. But I think intellectual dialogue could help us all as a society.
Here is what I have to say. I am doing a research on slavery which I'm trying to make a video after it to enlighten our populace that European shouldn't be blame for trans Atlantic slave trade which the community of Internet scammers dodge behind as the reason why they are scamming them back now. But I was surprised when I checked the perspective of christianity on the subject. It was so terrible that I have to stop mid way and drop tears for horrible actions religion had watch on to happen to people that God claimed he created in his image. Even animals should be treated better compares to Bible narrative.

Although I have long left the fold of religion for some reasons. But I see this as barbaric of all.
One of the passage in the Bible that hurt my mind so much on this subject is Exodus21:20. In fact the whole of that chapter 21 shouldn't be allowed to read into children and young teenagers' hear. Exodus 21:20-21 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.


In my own opinion, I will advise the those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils. That book is too gory to feed our children.

MrPresident1:
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To start with and with all due respect, it is disingenuous and libellous to affirm that God ordains slavery, that was already instituted and establish, prior to Him coming on board to sanitise, humanise and moralise it with reforms

Slavery already was a reality in the system (i.e. Genesis 9: 20-27, has the first mention of slave/slavery in the bible) before the emergence of God's slavery reforms

If you are married, you know that one dont neccesarily cut off ones privates because of not wanting to traumatise ones kids from the shock of seeing ones little man, aka third leg, sometimes pka JT or John Thomas, but one simply covers up, in their presence, if one is au naturale (i.e. in the nude), so your ill advice, to those in charge of primary education to ban OT from the reach of primary school pupils, can be dismissed off as pure balderdash.

The Bible is not a prejudicial or discriminatory book, it is part, a history book, educational book, inspirational book et cetera, that lays out facts and absolute truths as happened

Take note that according to 2 Timothy 3:16:
'All Scripture is God-breathed [given by divine inspiration] and is profitable for instruction,
for conviction [of sin], for correction [of error and restoration to obedience],
for training in righteousness
[learning to live in conformity to God’s will, both publicly and privately
—behaving honorably with personal integrity and moral courage];'

The bible unapologetically presents the good, the bad, the ugly and the gory in all their glories

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MindHacker9009:
New Testament too:

1 Peter 2:18
This verse commands slaves to show respect and submission to their masters, regardless of whether the master is kind or harsh

Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

I don't know what you are trying to draw with the two references from OT. OT or these particular references don't against slavery in anyway. Rather, it was following the trend of slavery that had been happening before then till that moment. It's trying to have both the slave owners and the slaves as "believers". A process where the slave Christians will accept their tormentors to practice the religion together. We wouldn't disclaim the fact that OT goes soft on Slavery, but it doesn't see Slavery as Sin which is a serious sin across all nations' constitutions today. If OT highlights list of things we should stop doing that they are sin; why is slavery missing? These sins are man-made just as slavery. Why not highlighting slavery as well? Part of the sins that Bible against are these: adultery, backbiting, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred. Why is slavery not part of the sins that OT or NT against? The answer is clear. God is ok with it(slavery).

MaxInDHouse:
Are you ready to support God's kingdom where all citizens from the greatest to the least will be paid the same salary?



Take for instance the president of Nigeria and the man sweeping the streets of Lagos both pledged to serve Nigeria with all their strength so do you agree that both men should be treated equally and paid the same salary?

If not then you're among the promoters of slavery and nothing God will do to change that until His Kingdom (Government) is established on planet earth {Matthew 6:10} so continue managing human government that Adam and Eve initiated in the garden of Eden.

May you have PEACE!
j

There is something called JUSTICE AND EQUALITY. criticizing slavery doesn't mean we have to be on the same level. No. Justice and Equality come in at this juncture, people should be allowed to work and render services of their choice at their pace with equal remuneration/wage of the service they render. A watchman or laundry man should be paid according to the importance of his service. So is the case for a carpenter, teacher, banker, doctor. They can not all be paid same. Almost everyone can do the work of a laundry man but can everyone do Banker or Doctor's work. It doesn't correspond. So your submission is null.





To clear your point further, you said if we can't pay all equally, we are slavery glorifier. A man working according to the level of his technical knowhow and according to the need of his service can't be referred to as slave if he his earning below what other earns. Monetary returns on services is measured according to the usefulness of your service and its demand or according to the way you can play with money(business, trade, commercializing inventory). At the end, workers are not slave under international law made by men not God in 21st century(God is indifferent on the topic). Thank your luck that you are not living your present life in 2000BCE or 100CE.

cc OAM4J

cc Dominique

AntiChristian:
Prologue
Sometimes I wonder why God in the Bible approved things he does not want to happen! Abraham sleep with Hagar, his wife's slave and God (not Satan) gave them Ishmael. Later God gave Sarah Isaac. Then God sent Hagar and Ishmael away making Isaac the promised Child! (It was different with Jacob who slept with two slaves of Leah and Rachel.)

This shows that the son of a slave is lesser in worth than the son a freeborn in God's eye! There was no sin on the part of Hagar or Ishmael.
And why does God approve the fertilization if He would later reject the kid? Why was Abraham's case different from Jacob's?

Slavery in the Bible

1. The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

2. The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. What kind of family values are these?

3. The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and has sex with them!
4. What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don’t die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

5. You would think that Jesus would inspire Paul and the New Testament to have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

6. Advise for Christian slaves
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

7. Finally Jesus's ending notes
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.” (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Because its myth and fiction mixed with a dose of reality of the times they were written in, same as the useless quran.