₦airaland Forum

Mrexcell:
So how come those who took over from gowon and who claimed to love regionalism kept the current arrangement and have vehemently refused to return the country back to the old order after 58yrs of monopolising power amongst themselves?

The Author already wrote that military system of governance is unitary. Did he mean Ironsi was a civilian?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 The writer didn't think it through or perhaps he understands the mental state of his intended readers and wanted to make some money off them. 😂😂😂😂

Tetrahedron:
I am a Yoruba man and still to this day believe that the 1966 coup was necessary to rid the country of corruption and Ironsi did no evil but the evil was perpetuated by those who took over and killed Ironsi

Sadly Ironsi didn’t know about the coup. The rate at which history has been twisted in Nigeria is amazing. Nobody bothers to do research, interview people that were actually there, read books. Hate is just fueling different versions.

I don’t even bother anymore because it seems the hate for Igbos is the only thing uniting Nigeria.

People talk about the coup while conveniently leaving out the massacres in the 1950’s as if Nigeria started on a clean slate. Even at that there was no tribal meeting where Igbos agreed and sent those officers to carry out the coup so how can it be labeled a tribal coup?

The northern counter coup though was agreed on and they had several meetings with tribal and political northern leaders that persuaded the northern officers to strike back.

Without adding anything, are these statements not at the very least contradictory?

AcuraZDX:
"It's completely misplaced to say Aguiyi Ironsi's decree 34 was what abolished the regional system in Nigeria because military rule is by definition unitary," Ogun stated. "So the unitary system came in as a result of the coup."

The author of the book "A Fatherless People" explained that Decree 34 was simply used as an excuse to perpetuate the 1966 pogrom against the Igbo people.

He insisted that the decree promulgated by Yakubu Gowon, creating 12 states in 1967, formally abolished the regions and replaced them with states.

twosquare:
Ironsi already abrogated the resources of all the regions to the centre, thereby ending the regional autonomy. It is called unification decree for a reason. Gowon acted on what was on ground already.

"It was the decree that started the death of regionalism....General Gowon further compounded it by promulgating the Decree 14 of 1967 which broke Nigeria into 12 states and provided military governors for each state. With decrees 34, 8 and 14 regionalism was finally buried"

https://guardian.ng/opinion/history-and-the-future-of-decree-34-of-1966/

So, trying to pander to the feelings of your host or so is dishonest. When you have taken all the resources to the centre, what remains?

Aguiyi Ironsi abolished regionalism and resource control...Gowon, out of necessity due to Ojukwu's rebellion, further buried it by breaking it up into 12 states.


Read: https://x.com/renoomokri/status/1670355943328997378

Facts have been presented to you, but because of extreme hate and bigotry, you are still insisting on the lies, falsehoods, and propaganda that suit your Juandice narrative. 
 
Who did this to you?

danvon:
Regionalism wasn't even a good thing, Gowon was very wise for abolishing it, unlike Aguiyi he opted for Federalism not Unitary government.

Lol. Do you even understand the words you bandy about? SMH

Mrexcell:
Reno omockry evil mission to demarket the igbo nation by all means and set them up for another national scapegoating will never succeed instead his evil plans will surely backfire against him and his ethnic group.

So, we should believe one Dele Ologun that his father was still in school when the issue happened? There are many historical records, including live broadcast when Aguiyi Ironsi pronounced decree 34. Gowon and other subsequent military regimes only met it on ground.

They twisted history against the Igbos and today some learned illiterates all over Nairaland born in the 80s think they know it all.

This country has done a lot of injustices to the Igbos. Anyone denying that is the real child of hate.

Tetrahedron:
I am a Yoruba man and still to this day believe that the 1966 coup was necessary to rid the country of corruption and Ironsi did no evil but the evil was perpetuated by those who took over and killed Ironsi

You don't really have to say your ethnicity. Anybody with common sense knows that the coup was done to put things in order.

Was it necessary? Well relative to the corruption we have today, I think it's not. The masterminds were just young and over zealous. And the older, more experienced and cunning politicians took advantage of the resulting events.

Exactly. After the coup, the remnants of the government’s cabinet actually tried to continue especially as the coup had been quashed.

Some accounts have it that Ironsi stopped them, and with the collaboration of Nwafor Orizu transferred power to himself under the guidance of Azikiwe who was in constant communication monitoring the ensuing outcome of events.

In other words, the coup did not destroy regional autonomy. It was Ironsi stepping in as a military head of state, and a few months later promulgating the unification decree 34 of May 1966.

The trajectory could have been different had Ironsi remained a professional soldier, and kept the military out of the whole equation after the coup. Well, he took a chance and risked Nigeria’s fragile democracy and with it its development.

Softmirror:
😂 Can someone explain this?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Valid angle except that no older politician took advantage as most participants from various divides were mostly young and inexperienced, which led to very emotional outbursts and decisions without critical analysis.

CorrectionFLuid:
You don't really have to say your ethnicity. Anybody with common sense knows that the coup was done to put things in order.

Was it necessary? Well relative to the corruption we have today, I think it's not. The masterminds were just young and over zealous. And the older, more experienced and cunning politicians took advantage of the resulting events.

gidgiddy:
They have lied for almost 60 years that Aguiyi-Ironsi's Decree 34 is what abolished the Region's and ended true federalism

They know thst those who will believe the lies are those too lazy to Google Decree 34 and realise it was just a civil service Decree

It was Giwon who abolished the 4 Region's Nigeria had, and replaced them with 12 states, using Decree 14

Then Gowon introduced full blown unitary rule by abolishing resource control with Decree 15

that's why I believe gowon will never rest well whenever he dies...

he is alive but has refused to set the records straight all these years.

Raf4:
So, we should believe one Dele Ologun that his father was still in school when the issue happened? There are many historical records, including live broadcast when Aguiyi Ironsi pronounced decree 34. Gowon and other subsequent military regimes only met it on ground.

Ur position could have been considered by a neutral sane person only if igbos are the ones that have monopolised power since after the abolition but that wasn't the case instead those u are claiming didn't abolish it are the ones who have been monopolising power for over 58yrs now and have vehemently rejected any move to return nigeria back to the old political arrangement so what's your point?

9gerian:
Exactly. After the coup, the remnants of the government’s cabinet actually tried to continue especially as the coup had been quashed.

Some accounts have it that Ironsi stopped them, and with the collaboration of Nwafor Orizu transferred power to himself under the guidance of Azikiwe who was in constant communication monitoring the ensuing outcome of events.

In other words, the coup did not destroy regional autonomy. It was Ironsi stepping in as a military head of state, and a few months later promulgating the unification decree 34 of May 1966.

The trajectory could have been different had Ironsi remained a professional soldier, and kept the military out of the whole equation after the coup. Well, he took a chance and risked Nigeria’s fragile democracy and with it its development.

May God bless you abolition of Nigeria as a Federation but a Republic was done by Ironsi

9gerian:
Valid angle except that no older politician took advantage as most participants from various divides were mostly young and inexperienced, which led to very emotional outbursts and decisions without critical analysis.

There were o. Ah. Lolz

In the east, you have Nnamdi Azikiwe, who nursed the ambition of being the prime minister of a regional Nigeria, or president of a unitary one. His presidency at the time was just ceremonial and he had little powers.

In the west, you have Awolowo and his people, who have same ambitions as Azikiwe.

In the north, there is the more shadowy and more ruthless northern elders, whose main tool was Murtala Mohammed.

Did any of these groups play active role in the first coup? Apparently not. But they all tried to make use of it's resulting events to further their personal political ambitions, consequently turning the once celebrated coup into a nasty 3 year war of hatred.

Mindlog:
Gowon created the 12 states out of the regions, ending regionalism but dem hang for Ironsi head.

Forget about 12 States, this man is just speaking English. Ironsi take over as military head of State after foiling the coup automatically ended the regional system of govt. Military don't share power!

Quoting the trash written with bias doesn't change the truth my dear.
Ironsi did not abrogate the regional system. Let that sink in.
He appointed four regional military administrators. Hassan katsina for the North, Emeka Ojukwu for the East, Mobolaji Johnson for the West and David Ejoor for the Midwest.

How did he destroy regional government?
Stop looking for scapegoat.

[author=twosquare post=132348358]Ironsi already abrogated the resources of all the regions to the centre, thereby ending the regional autonomy. It is called unification decree for a reason. Gowon acted on what was on ground already.

"It was the decree that started the death of regionalism....General Gowon further compounded it by promulgating the Decree 14 of 1967 which broke Nigeria into 12 states and provided military governors for each state. With decrees 34, 8 and 14 regionalism was finally buried"

https://guardian.ng/opinion/history-and-the-future-of-decree-34-of-1966/

So, trying to pander to the feelings of your host or so is dishonest. When you have taken all the resources to the centre, what remains?

Aguiyi Ironsi abolished regionalism and resource control...Gowon, out of necessity due to Ojukwu's rebellion, further buried it by breaking it up into 12 states.


Read: https://x.com/renoomokri/status/1670355943328997378[/quote]

twosquare:
Ironsi already abrogated the resources of all the regions to the centre, thereby ending the regional autonomy. It is called unification decree for a reason. Gowon acted on what was on ground already.

"It was the decree that started the death of regionalism....General Gowon further compounded it by promulgating the Decree 14 of 1967 which broke Nigeria into 12 states and provided military governors for each state. With decrees 34, 8 and 14 regionalism was finally buried"

https://guardian.ng/opinion/history-and-the-future-of-decree-34-of-1966/

So, trying to pander to the feelings of your host or so is dishonest. When you have taken all the resources to the centre, what remains?

Aguiyi Ironsi abolished regionalism and resource control...Gowon, out of necessity due to Ojukwu's rebellion, further buried it by breaking it up into 12 states.


Read: https://x.com/renoomokri/status/1670355943328997378

So why hasn't Nigeria returned to regionalism since then

Softmirror:
Ok 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

sorry my bad ,I didnt get your initial sarcasm .

themanderon:
So why hasn't Nigeria returned to regionalism since then

Why return to something that won't benefit the political class?...this present system benefits them more for their corruption. Easy to hide under Abuja than put in the work in a regional system. One bloc started it to benefit themselves but lost out in the power tussle. The beneficiary who once rioted because of it gained the system and said wait o, this will benefit us more and refused to let go.

It is a case of the goat taking the bread from the child...the goat won't leave the bread alone afterwards but will run away with it.

HydraFeeds:
sorry my bad ,I didnt get your initial sarcasm .

No problem. 👍

Don't mind them.
The stupid thing with white beard resembling he goats beard, roaming the media space sowing discord will not tell them the truth. Unfortunately those that claim to own the media in Nigeria, even when some of the newspapers were stolen from some one else, will chorus the lies to paint a particular tribe with dark paint.

Bonjelomo:
Ki ni next step?

For once in the history of Nigeria someone has made a sensible sense. Of only this kind of discussion can take over the space and be sustained but no problems, even if not in this lifetime descendants will surely rewrite this foolish, nonsense and greed fueled amalgamation.

Ofunaofu:
Facts have been presented to you, but because of extreme hate and bigotry, you are still insisting on the lies, falsehoods, and propaganda that suit your Juandice narrative. 
 
Who did this to you?

Did you take time to read the attachments to his rejoinder before coming to your own "jaundiced" opinion and bigotry tirade?

Truth is indestructible.
Fight it, bury it, sink it into the bottom of the sea and do whatever you so wish to the truth, truth will remain truth and nothing but the truth.
Thank you Mr., for speaking the Truth.

Yoruba people know how to suppress truth.Gowon and Awolowo abolished the four regions they inherited from Ironsi and created 12 states and turn around and said t was Ironsi who did it.

membranus:
Did you take time to read the attachments to his rejoinder before coming to your own "jaundiced" opinion and bigotry tirade?

Attachment! Personal opinions of unknown individuals who weren't active participants in the said events is what you are telling me to read. In fact,  Reno Omokri has now become an authority to reference.
 
You are certainly the biggest clown on planet Earth.

The thing is that ibo don't have time to respond to bastaard like reno omokri and his band of anti ibo headless idiyots in nairaland.

Yes he has Ironsi has his own for body and after how many months of taking over what remains of government, that which he has inside his body couldn't come out but was waiting for an indefinite time.

Clap for yourself Mr seer who sees what he has inside his body.
Crazy people plenty for cyberspace.

happney65:
Exactly!

Because the North had wanted to leave Nigeria,but the British told them if they leave,they will suffer from now till eternity and that the resources of this country is from the South.

And the following day Gowon removed the clauses of Northern succession from his speech and created 12states.

But some people who just hate Igbo people for no reason will not look at the FACTS but pure sentiments. Tell me what Igbo people have done,they have nothing to say but just running here and there

P.S. This isn't an endorsement of Ironsi because Ironsi too get his own for body,but just laying out the facts about that issue

twosquare:
Ironsi already abrogated the resources of all the regions to the centre, thereby ending the regional autonomy. It is called unification decree for a reason. Gowon acted on what was on ground already.

"It was the decree that started the death of regionalism....General Gowon further compounded it by promulgating the Decree 14 of 1967 which broke Nigeria into 12 states and provided military governors for each state. With decrees 34, 8 and 14 regionalism was finally buried"

https://guardian.ng/opinion/history-and-the-future-of-decree-34-of-1966/

So, trying to pander to the feelings of your host or so is dishonest. When you have taken all the resources to the centre, what remains?

Aguiyi Ironsi abolished regionalism and resource control...Gowon, out of necessity due to Ojukwu's rebellion, further buried it by breaking it up into 12 states.


Read: https://x.com/renoomokri/status/1670355943328997378

So they were able to reverse every other policy of Ironsi but had no power to reverse "your so called decree"? Am trying to be really civil with you and your devilish kind of liars.

Suddenly Gowon had to work with what is in ground, because he's a helpless and powerless baby controlled by Ironsi right?

Psychiatry is not very far
A trekking distance from here.
Do you see that junction there?
When you get there, just take left. You will see the place. You will hear some screaming, others shouting and others lost in their thoughts. Unfortunately you will find other talking to themselves and others laughing. That's the place and it appears you will fit in easily.

Goosethetruth:
This Quisling has the IPOB propagandists masturbating with glee on this thread.
One thing is clear (no matter the number of traitors and Quislings you invite to your IPOB forum to pander to your whims and caprices). Ironsi abolished the regions after the Ibo military arm carried out a lopsided coup on January 15th 1966 through his tribalistic Decree number 34.

Secondly Quislings never end well. They are used,dumped and can even lose their lives if they are not careful. Colonel Victor Banjo is the yard stick by which Quislings are measured. I have no RIP to waste on any Quisling who decides to sell out his own people and white wash history for reasons best known to himself alone.

9gerian:
Exactly. After the coup, the remnants of the government’s cabinet actually tried to continue especially as the coup had been quashed.

Some accounts have it that Ironsi stopped them, and with the collaboration of Nwafor Orizu transferred power to himself under the guidance of Azikiwe who was in constant communication monitoring the ensuing outcome of events.

In other words, the coup did not destroy regional autonomy. It was Ironsi stepping in as a military head of state, and a few months later promulgating the unification decree 34 of May 1966.

The trajectory could have been different had Ironsi remained a professional soldier, and kept the military out of the whole equation after the coup. Well, he took a chance and risked Nigeria’s fragile democracy and with it its development.

Shaa Military coups can only be quashed by the military. If a military coup were to happen today in Nigeria, the military will step in to quash it, and whoever has the highest rank in active service of the military will become head of state to steady the ship during transition, until transfer of power to the civilian administration is complete. He or she has no choice.

Nothing like remaining a professional soldier, cos that's part of the profession.

It's the politicians in the shadows with their agenda that turned that coup into what it eventually turned out to be.

I'm not holding brief for the original coup plotters though, in my opinion, that first coup was unnecessary. The problem was a political one domiciled in the western part of the country, and they had no business meddling in it.