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Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by discusant: 10:43am On Oct 09, 2024
AcuraZDX:
https://saharareporters.com/2024/10/08/blame-yakubu-gowon-not-aguiyi-ironsi-nigerias-loss-regional-autonomy-dele-ogun
This is from a most honest person who wants Nigeria to work. But politicians of Nigeria are busy sharing process from crude oil and gas. Restructuring Nigeria politically is not in the agenda of politicians of today's Nigeria. The country degenerates daily.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by ElSudani: 10:44am On Oct 09, 2024
If you read the decree 34 and think someone other than Ironsi ended regionalism you probably need to go back to school.
What changed under Ironsi was not the physical structure of the Federation but the entire system of government which we still have till today.
Without decree 34 we can still have 36 regions and without any changes to the system of government. Afterall, Midwest region was created was created and the system did not change.
The decree 34 made "federal" in Federal Republic of Nigeria a mere name.
The quack lawyer Rudolph Okonkwo was talking to didn't know what he was talking about.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by T9ksy(m): 11:28am On Oct 09, 2024
Na wa o!!!

Even with a headline publication where Ironsi himself was quoted saying "all regions are abolishe", in plain english, some people still find ways to contradict the man.

Which kind of brain disorder is this o? Neurologists in house please help us shed light on this type of affliction.

Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by discusant: 11:30am On Oct 09, 2024
ElSudani:
If you read the decree 34 and think someone other than Ironsi ended regionalism you probably need to go back to school.
What changed under Ironsi was not the physical structure of the Federation but the entire system of government which we still have till today.
Without decree 34 we can still have 36 regions and without any changes to the system of government. Afterall, Midwest region was created was created and the system did not change.
The decree 34 made "federal" in Federal Republic of Nigeria a mere name.
The quack lawyer Rudolph Okonkwo was talking to didn't know what he was talking about.
Ironsi was killed with the governor of Southwest region.
If Ironsi ended regional government, how come he was on a visit to the southwest region?
Gowon created states and thus ended regional government system in Nigeria.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy: 11:43am On Oct 09, 2024
confusedlady:
You are so susceptible to manipulation as long as it tallies with your IPOB agenda....😆 🤣 😂
See arch IPOB tribalist agreeing with his Yoruba enemy because it suits your Ibo agenda.

This your IPOB propaganda on Ironside Ironsi has been refuted and defeated several times on this forum but you are free to keep deceiving yourself and your deluded IPOB followers.
This is just common sense. Leave propaganda, Google and read Decree, 34, 14 and 15
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by phorget(m): 11:45am On Oct 09, 2024
Just blame igbos.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy: 11:47am On Oct 09, 2024
Christistruth00:
grin
Fake News Propaganda



Gen Ironsi abolished Regions and Regional Autonomy


This was the Speech Gen Ironsi gave afterwards and he owned up to abolishing the Region's with his full Chest!!!!

Don't change his Story
This one is busy parading third party comments because he knows that if he parades Ironsi's decree 34, alongside Gowons decree 14 and 15, it will expose his lies
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy: 11:49am On Oct 09, 2024
ElSudani:
If you read the decree 34 and think someone other than Ironsi ended regionalism you probably need to go back to school.
What changed under Ironsi was not the physical structure of the Federation but the entire system of government which we still have till today.
Without decree 34 we can still have 36 regions and without any changes to the system of government. Afterall, Midwest region was created was created and the system did not change.
The decree 34 made "federal" in Federal Republic of Nigeria a mere name.
The quack lawyer Rudolph Okonkwo was talking to didn't know what he was talking about.
Thats because you never read decree 34 to know it was all about the civil service

And never read Gowondms decree 14 that explicitly said that the 4 Region's were being abolished, and replaced with 12 states
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Softmirror:
gidgiddy:
This is just common sense. Leave propaganda, Google and read Decree, 34, 14 and 15
Oga you keep running in circles. The author made it clear that a military system of government is UNITARY. So, was Ironsi civilian?! The bases of his argument is the style of the military government. Gidgiddy why are you always running in circles?! 😂😂😂😂 . The author didn't think it through with the below emphasis.

Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Goosethetruth(m): 12:04pm On Oct 09, 2024
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Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy:
T9ksy:
Na wa o!!!

Even with a headline publication where Ironsi himself was quoted saying "all regions are abolishe", in plain english, some people still find ways to contradict the man.

Which kind of brain disorder is this o? Neurologists in house please help us shed light on this type of affliction.

It was with those headlines that the Lagos/Ibadan expressway media and their Northern cohorts sold the age old lie that Ironsi abolished the Region's

They never knew that the age of social media would one day come, and Gowons Decree 14 would be exposed to the world, saying :

There shall , on commencement of this Decree, be created out of the Regions, States to be known by the names in column of 1 of the Shedule of this Decree

So why would Gowon be creating 12 states out of 4 Regions already abolished by Ironsi?

Jokers everywhere 😆 🤣 😂

Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy: 12:14pm On Oct 09, 2024
Housing:
May God bless you abolition of Nigeria as a Federation but a Republic was done by Ironsi
You don't know what a Republic is? A Republic simply means you are self governing. Nigeria was a Republic since October 1 1960
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Sapaz02: 12:18pm On Oct 09, 2024
Thanks so much for schooling the so called Omokiri
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by confusedlady(f): 12:22pm On Oct 09, 2024
gidgiddy:
This is just common sense. Leave propaganda, Google and read Decree, 34, 14 and 15
Like I said,you can only fool yourself and your fellow deluded and demented IPOB illiterate members. It has been proven to you severally that Ironsi destroyed the regions after the tribal and lopsided Ibo tribal coup of January 1966 with surreptitious support of the grand father of tribalism Nnamdi Azikiwe. No amount of whitewashing,spin doctoring or gas lighting can change the facts.
Ironsi abolished the union. Get that in your thick skull! However you are free to wallow in your delusion if you so choose.....
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by ElSudani: 12:31pm On Oct 09, 2024
discusant:
Ironsi was killed with the governor of Southwest region.
If Ironsi ended regional government, how come he was on a visit to the southwest region?
Gowon created states and thus ended regional government system in Nigeria.
This is the mistake you and the kansogbo lawyer are making. The Regions were certainly there but they ceased to function as autonomous federating units.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy: 12:36pm On Oct 09, 2024
confusedlady:
Like I said,you can only fool yourself and your fellow deluded and demented IPOB illiterate members. It has been proven to you severally that Ironsi destroyed the regions after the tribal and lopsided Ibo tribal coup of January 1966 with surreptitious support of the grand father of tribalism Nnamdi Azikiwe. No amount of whitewashing,spin doctoring or gas lighting can change the facts.
Ironsi abolished the union. Get that in your thick skull! However you are free to wallow in your delusion if you so choose.....
You guys can keep saying whatever you want to say, but Gowons Decree 14 and 15, showing how he abolished the 4 Region's Nigeria had, created 12 states, removed resource control, will always be online to tell people the truth

Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Iamanoited: 12:38pm On Oct 09, 2024
LET US STOP NONSENSE BLAME GAME. GOWON OPERATED MARSHALL LAW.
REGIONALISM WAS A ROYAL STATUTE AND WAS NEVER LAWFULLY REPEALED.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Iamanoited: 12:43pm On Oct 09, 2024
NIGERIA IS NOW A 36 CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITIES. RETURN THE USURPED MANDATES OF SELF POLICING SELF RESOURCING AND SELF ELECTIONEERING POWERS
AND LET THEIR GRASSROOT 774 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DETERMINE THE FINANCING OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Softmirror: 12:44pm On Oct 09, 2024
ElSudani:
This is the mistake you and the kansogbo lawyer are making. The Regions were certainly there but they ceased to function as autonomous federating units.
As simple as ABC. Even the writer emphasized that military system of governance is a unitary system. Except if Ironsi was a civilian.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Christistruth00: 12:44pm On Oct 09, 2024
gidgiddy:
This one is busy parading third party comments because he knows that if he parades Ironsi's decree 34, alongside Gowons decree 14 and 15, it will expose his lies
That was Gen Ironsi's own Broadcast after decree 34
Gen Ironsi owned up to abolishing the Regions with his entire chest
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Anatolia: 12:55pm On Oct 09, 2024
Aguiyi Ironsi set the trend and Gowon implemented it so I will hold Aguiyi Ironsi guilty.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by briandermot: 1:26pm On Oct 09, 2024
twosquare:
Ironsi already abrogated the resources of all the regions to the centre, thereby ending the regional autonomy. It is called unification decree for a reason. Gowon acted on what was on ground already.

"It was the decree that started the death of regionalism....General Gowon further compounded it by promulgating the Decree 14 of 1967 which broke Nigeria into 12 states and provided military governors for each state. With decrees 34, 8 and 14 regionalism was finally buried"

https://guardian.ng/opinion/history-and-the-future-of-decree-34-of-1966/

So, trying to pander to the feelings of your host or so is dishonest. When you have taken all the resources to the centre, what remains?

Aguiyi Ironsi abolished regionalism and resource control...Gowon, out of necessity due to Ojukwu's rebellion, further buried it by breaking it up into 12 states.


Read: https://x.com/renoomokri/status/1670355943328997378
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Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Kdon2: 2:04pm On Oct 09, 2024
AcuraZDX:
https://saharareporters.com/2024/10/08/blame-yakubu-gowon-not-aguiyi-ironsi-nigerias-loss-regional-autonomy-dele-ogun
This mumu trying to push odious agenda by misinforming people. Ironsi was military as Gowon. Why segregating them. It started with ironsi period
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Belawy(m): 2:12pm On Oct 09, 2024
He saw OIL MONEY
crossbreedwears:
How much did he saw?
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by T8ksy(m): 2:36pm On Oct 09, 2024
gidgiddy:
It was with those headlines that the Lagos/Ibadan expressway media and their Northern cohorts sold the age old lie that Ironsi abolished the Region's

They never knew that the age of social media would one day come, and Gowons Decree 14 would be exposed to the world, saying :

There shall , on commencement of this Decree, be created out of the Regions, States to be known by the names in column of 1 of the Shedule of this Decree

So why would Gowon be creating 12 states out of 4 Regions already abolished by Ironsi?

Jokers everywhere 😆 🤣 😂
What exactly is your point? That Ironsi did not make that broadcast that effectively abolished regionalism? That Ironsi didn't claim that "regionalism is the bane of Nigeria"?

What then was the purpose of his du.mb decree 34 a.k.a unification decree? what was Ironsi trying to unify? And why? Who asked him for unity? And when?

By the time gowon came onboard, there were no regions in the right and original sense of the word rather, they were just redundant means of classification. They have lost their autonomy under Ironsi's decree 34.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by discusant: 3:15pm On Oct 09, 2024
ElSudani:
This is the mistake you and the kansogbo lawyer are making. The Regions were certainly there but they ceased to function as autonomous federating units.
So you people have ruled Nigeria since 1970, what stops you from returning regional government system to Nigeria? The Hausa-Fulani?
You feel free when you blame all economic and political woies of Nigeria on the Igbo.

You people are vile in your Igbophobia.
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by crossbreedwears(m): 3:34pm On Oct 09, 2024
Lol
Belawy:
He saw OIL MONEY
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by frog12: 3:39pm On Oct 09, 2024
reno know say gowon still dey alive, so he no fit talk grin grin

Guide777:
Reno Omokri and ...... is 5 & 6
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Proudlyomonna: 3:46pm On Oct 09, 2024
Tetrahedron:
I am a Yoruba man and still to this day believe that the 1966 coup was necessary to rid the country of corruption and Ironsi did no evil but the evil was perpetuated by those who took over and killed Ironsi
One does not have to be from any certain Tribe to speak the Truth.

If Nigeria was truly a Country,our Productivity level would have been massively high quality and adequate resources.

Every Tribe in various Countries have their uniqueness.

But has Nigeria ever truly been a Country??

There has to be some sort of CENTER UNITING FORCE and I for once agree with Bobo Chicago on this one bcus We for some senseless political sensationalism never made way for a Uniting Force.

Take away ingredients such as UNITY.EQUITY.FAIRNESS.JUSTICE.INCLUSIVENESS from a COUNTRY,what You will get will be NIGERIA.

Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by Raf4: 5:14pm On Oct 09, 2024
Mrexcell:
Ur position could have been considered by a neutral sane person only if igbos are the ones that have monopolised power since after the abolition but that wasn't the case instead those u are claiming didn't abolish it are the ones who have been monopolising power for over 58yrs now and have vehemently rejected any move to return nigeria back to the old political arrangement so what's your point?
The same people you're referring to also demanded that secession clause be included in the constitution. Today, those who demanded for it do not want to hear about it whereas those who objected to it are the ones clamouring for it. So, what's your point?
Re: Blame Gowon Not Aguiyi Ironsi For Nigeria's Loss Of Regional Autonomy –Dele Ogun by gidgiddy: 6:48pm On Oct 09, 2024
T8ksy:
What exactly is your point? That Ironsi did not make that broadcast that effectively abolished regionalism? That Ironsi didn't claim that "regionalism is the bane of Nigeria"?

What then was the purpose of his du.mb decree 34 a.k.a unification decree? what was Ironsi trying to unify? And why? Who asked him for unity? And when?

By the time gowon came onboard, there were no regions in the right and original sense of the word rather, they were just redundant means of classification. They have lost their autonomy under Ironsi's decree 34.
You guys can coninue your 60 year old lie against Ironsi, but Gowons Decree 14 where he abolished all 4 Region's and created 12 states, as well as Decree 15 where he abolished resource control, will always be there in black and white to tell people the truth

I like the part of Gowons Decree 14 that said:

There shall, on commencement of this Decree, be created out of the Regions, States to be known by the names in column of 1 of the Shedule of this Decree

That one says it all

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