₦airaland Forum

tpain121:
abeg, stop engaging these dirty agbadorians. The rubbish they spew out of their gutter mouth is really nauseating. See this one saying there are no subsidies in Europe and America. They are so dull , you wonder if a they have cobwebs for brain.

There are no fuel subsidies in Europe and America like what you have in Nigeria. However, there are many safety nets in place in America and in Europe, some of the same safety nets suggested by the World Bank for Nigeria to implement. I have myself been a beneficiary of many of these safety net programs and can tell you that it is nothing like the fuel subsidy program in Nigeria today.

More importantly, the Nigerian Government has yet to implement any of the reforms suggested by the World Bank in this.

which stupid reforms under this corrupt and clueless government?

Kobojunkie:
There are no fuel subsidies in Europe and America like what you have in Nigeria. However, there are many safety nets in place in America and in Europe, some of the same safety nets suggested by the World Bank for Nigeria to implement. I have myself been a beneficiary of many of these safety net programs and can tell you that it is nothing like the fuel subsidy program in Nigeria today.

More importantly, the Nigerian Government has yet to implement any of the reforms suggested by the World Bank in this.

was it only fuel subsidy that was removed in Nigeria?

The safety net you have been enjoying, are they not some form of subsidy?

tpain121:
■ was it only fuel subsidy that was removed in Nigeria?
■ The safety net you have been enjoying, are they not some form of subsidy?

1. 18 months into the current administration, can you confirm that the fuel-subsidy has in fact been removed in Nigeria today?

There are no other subsidies that have been removed in Nigeria that I know of. Can you please tell us of any other subsidy that has been removed in Nigeria as we speak?

2. Yes, they are in fact forms of subsidies which is why it is false to assert that the IMF and World Bank are against ALL SUBSIDIES given that one of the reforms required by the World Bank is the implementation of a safety net program.

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop shifting blame for the incompetence of your government(kakistocrats whom you elected into government) to the IMG and World Bank already. The reforms suggested are commonsense reforms that would work for the betterment of Nigeria and Nigerians if and only if properly implemented by your Government.

Look at subsidy removal for example. If the Government had in fact put in a safety net right and then implemented subsidy removal using the money from that to fund the safety net, many Nigerians would not be where they are today suffering. But it has been over 18 months since Nigerians were lied to about subsidy removal and yet there is no evidence that any money has been saved in all of that time that can be used to maybe help set up a safety net at this point. How is that the fault of the IMF or World Bank?

Your government taxing the poor citizens is your government to blame. Even here in the U.S. Tax exemptions are available to many of the poor. It is 2024, please engage your brains!

Show me where such reforms has EVER worked!
That should be easy
Subsidy is a big scam, only people with negative IQ believe that crap

StaffofOrayan:
■ Show me where such reforms has EVER worked!
■ That should be easy Subsidy is a big scam, only people with negative IQ believe that crap

First, you would need to show me where your corrupt Nigerian Government has ever successfully implemented any reform in its entire history.

2. Subsidy, we know has always been a scam against Nigerians and needs to be removed. However, 18 months into the current administration, it has still not been implemented. Don't you see a trend here with corrupt government? It cannot correctly implement common-sense policies because it knows it would be working against its greedy interest if it did so.

Kobojunkie:
Which of the reforms since 1989 were in fact implemented in Nigeria?

....Google Nigerian military and democratic history.

biggie73:
....Google Nigerian military and democratic history.

Why don't you Google SAP Implementation in Nigeria yourself and tell us exactly which of the 6-7 major reforms were in fact implemented by IBB or Abacha for that matter? You are the one here who claimed the corrupt Government of IBB implemented SAP in Nigeria --- actual successful implementation --- and I want you to provide us with proof of this.

Today we have yet another corrupt Government in place which has failed in over 18 months to implement subsidy removal in Nigeria yet here we have many Nigerians already quick to blame the World Bank for the shege they have had to endure in the last 18 months. Don't you see how your government has been pulling the wool over your eyes for the longest?

Kobojunkie:
Why don't you Google SAP Implementation in Nigeria yourself and tell us exactly which of the 6-7 major reforms that were in fact implemented by IBB or Abacha for that matter.

You are the one here who claimed the corrupt Government of IBB infact implemented SAP in Nigeria --- actual successful implementation --- and I am wanting you to provide us with proof of this. Today we have another corrupt Government in place which has failed in over 18 months to implement subsidy removal in Nigeria yet here we have many Nigerians already quick to blame World Bank for the shege they have had to endure in the last 18 months. Don't you see how your government has been pulling the wool of misinformation over your eyes for the longest?

...first off, I didn't mention any names. Again, previous Nigerian government had had meaningless reforms that had adversely impacted the citizenry. You mentioned SAP - mostly SAP.

biggie73:
...first off, I didn't mention any names. Again, previous Nigerian government had had meaningless reforms that had adversely impacted the citizenry. You mentioned SAP - mostly SAP.

SAP was presented during the IBB years and the Government at the time pretended it was serious about implementing the reforms back then. Only now do we know, thanks to the information age, that the Babangida government mostly liked the Nigerian people, stole the country blind and told the people to blame all of their suffering on SAP reforms.

World bank should STFU! They are an instrument used to enslave the lazy 3rd world!

biggie73:
...first off, I didn't mention any names. Again, previous Nigerian government had had meaningless reforms that had adversely impacted the citizenry. You mentioned SAP - mostly SAP.

Babangida is the president who told Nigeria that he implemented SAP. The media at the time inundated us all with reports of how SAP was to blame for all of the suffering that we were going through. But now that were are in the information age, and can go back to review what happened for ourselves, we can see that we were hoodwinked by the Babangida government as it never in fact implemented SAPS reforms but rather played a scam on Nigerians pretending that it did.

Here's something most Nigerians today don't seem to know. If Babangida had implemented SAP reforms, fuel subsidies would not have been in existence to this day at all. It would have been a past issue for Nigeria. We are dealing right now with this Fuel-Subsidy fraud today because Babangida DID NOT fully implement SAP. There are many other things on the SAP list that the Babangida government did not implement. So, when Nigerians say that SAP had a hand in the problems in Nigeria at the time, they are wrong in that assumption. Please see the following documents for more information. https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/development/evaluation-of-nigeria-s-debt-relief-experience-1985-1990_728878867073

NwaNimo1:
https://punchng.com/nigeria-must-sustain-15-years-of-reforms-to-ensure-impact-world-bank/

Barawo reforms...
This are the kind of advices the World Bank, IMF, African Development Bank dishes out to Nigeria and the leadership and those who support them hinge on it and continue their fairy telling and fables.
This admnisration is so much insincere that they just joke and make jest of it all. The President who promised NLC that fuel price will not increase if they agree to hold unto #70,000 as minimum wage and yet it has not even being fully implemented and fuel price has risen more than 3 times till from the pronouncement of that minimum wage amount. The government refineries no longer have a time line of completion after various persons coming to give us several dates to wards that. Is it the First lady who said Nigerians are lazy......I can't imagine how many of us were lazy when the so called progressives matched and protested against the PGEJ administration and keeping the progressives in hardship.
I guess this is the real hardship which the progresisve now in power say we have to endure of which they refused to endure and have refused others to protest against.
Nigeria have been turned into a place where people go to market to buy slices of yam rather than tubers of yam, I see recently cut heads of ice fish being packaged and sold in the market for families and households to buy and feed their children and much more and these are things that are alien to us and some demonic supporters will come and tell themselves that it's not as a result of the incumbent administration.

Kobojunkie:
Babangida is the president who told Nigeria that he implemented SAP. The media at the time inundated us all with reports of how SAP was to blame for all of the suffering that we were going through. But now that were are in the information age, and can go back to review what happened for ourselves, we can see that we were hoodwinked by the Babangida government as it never in fact implemented SAPS reforms but rather played a scam on Nigerians pretending that it did.

Here's something most Nigerians today don't seem to know. If Babangida had implemented SAP reforms, fuel subsidies would not have been in existence to this day at all. It would have been a past issue for Nigeria. We are dealing right now with this Fuel-Subsidy fraud today because Babangida DID NOT fully implement SAP. There are many other things on the SAP list that the Babangida government did not implement. So, when Nigerians say that SAP had a hand in the problems in Nigeria at the time, they are wrong in that assumption. Please see the following documents for more information. https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/development/evaluation-of-nigeria-s-debt-relief-experience-1985-1990_728878867073

….you are entitled to your opinion and sources. All the reforms of previous and Mr. T- pain reforms negatively impacted the Nigerian economy. Each previous administration had had draconian measures.

biggie73:
■ ….you are entitled to your opinion and sources. All the reforms of previous and Mr. T- pain reforms negatively impacted the Nigerian economy. Each previous administration had had draconian measures.

None of what I stated here is of opinion as evidence after evidence available free of charge online proves that Babangida NEVER implemented SAP as it ought to have. Yes, the fully engaged media propaganda machine at the time told Nigerians to blame all of the suffering on SAP. Some suspected of course that something else was going on however the non-transparent approach of the government at the time left us all wanting to believe that it did implement all of the reforms as it claimed. But now there's no denying the fact that it did not. Fuel-Subsidy stands as a major proof of this. Another proof is the non-privation of state-owned businesses such as NNPC, NEPA, etc., back during the SAP years. Yet another proof that Babangida did not implement SAP reforms is the continued regulation of prices of goods and services by the Government particularly of Oil, communication, and parts of the Agricultural sector.

Kobojunkie:
SAP was presented during the IBB years and the Government at the time pretended it was serious about implementing the reforms back then. Only now do we know, thanks to the information age, that the Babangida government mostly liked the Nigerian people, stole the country blind and told the people to blame all of their suffering on SAP reforms.

…..reforms are headaches to the people - SAP inclusive.

biggie73:
…..reforms are headaches to the people - SAP inclusive.

Please stop speaking out of ignorance... Reforms are necessary resolves to issues, not headaches like your corrupt government has instead programmed you all to believe.

Kobojunkie:
None of what I stated here is of opinion as evidence after evidence available free of charge online proves that Babangida NEVER implemented SAP as it ought to have. Yes, the fully engaged media propaganda machine at the time told Nigerians to blame all of the suffering on SAP. Some suspected of course that something else was going on however the non-transparent approach of the government at the time left us all wanting to believe that it did implement all of the reforms as it claimed. But now there's no denying the fact that it did not. Fuel-Subsidy stands as a major proof of this. Another proof is the non-privation of State-owned businesses such as NNPC, NEPA, etc., back during the SAP years.

…..either poorly implemented or not, reforms are meaningless if people are worst off.

biggie73:
…..either poorly implemented or not, reforms are meaningless if people are worst off.

Common sense reforms are majorly designed to help people, not make them worse off. Many of the same reforms that were suggested to Nigeria were at some point in time implemented here in the United States. How come here in the United States, the lives of people are not as bad as the lives of people in Nigeria are? Care to answer that question for us?

Kobojunkie:
Please stop speaking out of ignorance... Reforms are necessary resolves to issues, not headaches like your corrupt government has instead programmed you all to believe.

….your ignorance and gullibility are beyond measure. Thanks.

Fuel dey go N1500 per litre.


15 years of more hardship!



Otilo!

Kobojunkie:
Common sense reforms are majorly designed to help people, not make them worse off. Many of the same reforms that were suggested to Nigeria were at some point in time implemented here in the United States. How come here in the United States, the lives of people are not as bad as the lives of people in Nigeria are? Care to answer that question for us?

…. I don’t care about your geographical location. Thanks

biggie73:
….your ignorance and gullibility are beyond measure. Thanks.

Nigerians ehn...even in the information age....sad...,🥱

NwaNimo1:
https://punchng.com/nigeria-must-sustain-15-years-of-reforms-to-ensure-impact-world-bank/

15years? 😂😂Even T-Pain doesn't have that much time left before he goes to meet his ancestors.

Kobojunkie:
Nigerians ehn...even in the information age....sad...,🥱

….People can be gullible in the digital era.

biggie73:
….People can be gullible in the digital era.

I see that a lot among Nigerians. 🙄

biggie73:
….your ignorance and gullibility are beyond measure. Thanks.

Kobojunkie is right. The way she explains her points is not clear. The reforms of the 1980s and now are not bad; the issue is the implementation.

The recent fuel subsidy removal has been a disaster because the government was supposed to make many policy changes, such as reducing the cost of governance, streamlining the MDAs, raising taxes on wealthier Nigerians, etc, to help stabilise the Naira.

Fuel might not have reached N200 without subsidies if proper policies were implemented. What you are paying for is the collapse in the value of the Naira. The government wants you to believe that it is because of debt, the IMF or World Bank. This is false.

The naira's fall is a result of the government's over-importation of unnecessary goods(read the article Kobojunkie posted) and other wastefulness.

Tinubu's removal of subsidies without tackling the causes of the Naira's weakness led to the disaster Nigerians are facing. Not the IMF or the World Bank.

Tianamen1:
Kobojunkie is actually right. The way she explains her points is not totally clear. the reforms both in the 80's and now are not bad, the issue is the implementation.

The recent fuel subsidy removal has been a disaster because the government was supposed to make many policy changes such as reducing the cost of governance, streamlining the MDAs, raising taxes on wealthier Nigerians, etc, to help stabilise the Naira.

Fuel may not have reached N200 without subsidies if proper policies were implemented. What you are paying for is the collapse in the value of the Naira. The government wants you to believe that it is because of debt, the IMF or World Bank. This is false.

The naira's fall is a result of over-importation of unnecessary goods(read the article Kobojunkie posted), and other wastefulness by the government.

Tinubu's removal of subsidies without tackling the causes of the Naira's weakness led to the disaster Nigerians are facing. Not the IMF or the World Bank.

....just like failed reforms, T-Pain failed to learn from unsuccessful measures.

Kobojunkie:
I see that a lot among Nigerians. 🙄

....it's people, not only Nigerians.

These vampíres (World Bank, IMF, UN, USA and UK) have no good intentions for Nigeria, regardless what they say in public. The secret of Nigeria's prosperity is buried in the exact opposite of every "economic advice" they churn out.

They are agents of exploitation, oppression and neo-colonialism and will sabotage the growth of Nigeria (and other African countries) with all their might.

But their days of steàling, kìlling and destróying Nigeria are numbered...