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happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Stop saying rubbish

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

Stop saying rubbish

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

na so

naturalman:
He may be right on this........we already have 36 state disasters parading as governor.........having another 774 local menace will be the end of our existence.......

How
Shey yet know it's easier for you to become a chairman than governor

Who will you hold accountable to development?

Today all the governors are using federal roads as excuses.......
The little effort been made on community road will be no more, because the state governors will now say it is for the LG chairmen and the chairmen will say it is the state governors job........so back to square one...

As a state governor you have autonomy and there’s no chaos

Now na chaos go dey if you too give another freedom

Hypocrites

I don't know why most of us disagree with this .. I don't support LG autonomy.. Local Govt is under state why will you grant them autonomy ..no no no ... I like the fact that soludo say no to it too and we are even talking of LG , is it not the state governors that rig most of them
to the position. It is better they leave like how it was before jeje

Money should go to wards rather than local government councils,so many hyenas depend on local government allocations, the governor's so claimed law is a way maintaining the status quo of settling jobless political stalwarts at local levels

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

yes a federating units is made up of two..but this is not a matter of federation..it's matter of level of government..not arms of government like the executive, judiciary and legislative.

Level of government,the National government,state government and local government.

Yes I agree with you the constitution has to change ..

But if the money been given to the local government is not enough and the state has enough ans currently paying salary why can't the staye augment the local government and its the state trying to hold on to local government money to help local government..am lost here cos we calling white black .

Why are the governors fretting?

Is it because they appoint people more than the numbers they are suppose to?go to local governments HQ.. nothing is happening there..it's in Total comatose.

Law enforcement is our major problem in Nigeria..till when we start sending people to life imprisonment,recover loots from family and friends.. Nigerian won't know or learn how to do things the right way .

If a local government chairman knows if he doesn't pay salaries or do his job the people at the locality will come after him even before his tenure ends ,ICPC,EFCC will come aftee him ,thank God they don't av immunity..they will sit right..the Governor and state house of assembly are just supervisors on their money ..not executioners,that's what yhe constitution meant when it says the state will make laws on how to administer the local governments ...not to execute ther money or spend it on their behalf.. supervisor no be executor .

The governor, like others, thinks the world starts and ends in his head. Local governments had autonomy when he was growing up and he enjoyed it. But now Local governments must be killed. Enemies of democracy and progress! That law he signed is dead on arrival. Can you imagine? making a law to evade obeying court judgements. These people are criminals indeed. Nonsense!

Emperors masquerading as governors do not want local government to enjoy autonomy to maintain their selfish and dictatorial rule

EponObi:
Soludo kept saying total LG autonomy will lead to chaos without explaining in details "how".

I put it to you, Soludo, "HOW will LG autonomy lead to chaos?"

History will remember you as the first person to derail this monumental win of the people.

You are the first person to ask RATIONAL question regarding the position of Soludo since beginning of first page, other commentators, already agree and melt by weak argument Soludo presented, hook line and sinker, even when they don't have opportunity to hear from other side.

I now understand the IQ's of people in this forum and by extension why Nigeria's leaders behave the way they like for citizens.

If you ask ailing 92 yrs Paul Biya of Cameroon today, he would still gives you reasons, how Cameroon won't be able to move forward without him.

Racoon:
Useless Professor! These are the kinds of people one would be tempted to think would make a difference in government but no they won't.

He's been the loudest speaker since the supreme court ruling, as if he had an ulterior motive of looting. Anyway, politics is a form of business in Nigeria.

Anambra people, make una shine eyes oo. This man must not be allowed to steal your wealth. He's so desperate. From the pdp to apga and now he's complaining. He may want to also build a university like gov Fayemi in Ghana . These guys don't deserve to be in politics but in Nigeria, bigotry reigns supreme

TossTos:
I don't know why most of us disagree with this .. I don't support LG autonomy.. Local Govt is under state why will you grant them autonomy ..no no no ... I like the fact that soludo say no to it too and we are even talking of LG , is it not the state governors that rig most of them
to the position. It is better they leave like how it was before jeje

Meanwhile, the way Gov handicapped them as it's now, does it beneficial to Nigeria as a whole? I doubt if you even know, how these Govs rogues running the local governments?

They only allow them to pay salaries and the rest they collect it from them, they would collect the remaining balance of local government X and use it to develop local government Y for the whole 8 yrs of their reign, meanwhile, the local government they are developing are local govt the state govs come from oooo.

That's why thr is no "even' distribution of wealth and infrastructures across town and villages in states and by extension, reason every political gladiator wants gov to come from his own village.

Soludo has never failed in any responsibility he assumed.

I may disagree with him on this on principle because I want the local governments to be autonomous but we all know Nigerians will abuse the power of the purse. In a country where every allocation disappears, we will be creating more looters without State oversight.

The weak Federal oversight of the States is an example.

Local and State governments can still obey the Supreme Court on principle. Money has reduced Nigeria and Nigerians to abject poverty.

Nigeria is a good example of deluged foreign income turning our politicians into drunken sailors.

This same hypocrites wants Thier own country yet a small test to allow an independent unit exist the natural selfishness and greed from an Igbo man quickly came out....u always wonder why the Igbos don't attain political progress Bcus they always constitutes as impediment in their own progress .....

Obiiiiii and Obidients with Arise. What do you have to say ....

Racoon:
Useless Professor! These are the kinds of people one would be tempted to think would make a difference in government but no they won't.

Since day one, I never expected anything different from this guy.

Nigerians had a very high expectations from this guy and Gov Yahaya Bello. Today, they are such a colossal failure & disappointment.

I listened to Soludo as he is struggling to justify his foolishness. Financial autonomy for local government means the council leadership determine their expenses. You don't need to arm twist them.

masseratti:
Oh my God ..why should a Prof sign this kind of law..are we illiterates?if the state governors can look into how their states can generate revenues locally without minding what is coming from the federal allocation,they won't have all this problem with the meager amounts going to the local government..infact they will even be helping some local government with their Budget.The military really messed the Federation of Nigeria up and it's Republican nature..the way Nigeria is been run .. nothing Federating about it nor anything republican..if the federating units can't manage its resources,that's a unitary government system not federal,if 5% of a whole local government allocation can be given to a traditional Council be it Oba,Sultan,Obi anyname of those men who are not productive to the economy but marry more wives , young girls and throw parties for the rest of their lives,then we are not republican..why should part of my taxes be paid to someone who I owe no allegiance nor sovereign to ..my sovereignty is to Federal Republic of Nigeria.
If the law says "deduction from local government account base on what is determined by the state government"..that's clearly undermining the supreme court judgment...and I think the AGF should contest this law at the supreme court ASAP for clarification before other states starts using same system.

Also that scrupulous security vote..it's high time SERAP,FALANA AGF contest that thing which is no where in existence in Nigeria constitution in the law court ..take that away from the governors too.

Although am very much aware of the way those local government chairmen with held teachers salaries in the 90s , didn't pay salaries for months until state government took ovwr ..also primary health workers too..the foundation is just totally wrong tho.we are in a mess..

The Military government made mostly of northern guys should not av numbered local government in the constitution..its an abberation..they should av simply said a staye must have local governments ..how many they decide to have it's their headache..how the money will be shared among them.. their headache..but allocation from the federal purse meant for local government should not be spent by the state government. The state government can only administer /share the money among them .

The local government has its own legislative council too made of councillors..they make by laws Mr Soludo..make this thing work don't by pass it .

Tell me the items in the exclusive list again. I repeat if the Federal wants a total autonomy for the local Government then a fiscal federalism should be implemented. Let the States generate and give to the Local Government that way it will be balanced. Now lets take a local government in Niger Delta for example. The Fed. Gov comes to exploit resources in the local areas then send portion of the revenue generated to the State and some to the local Government. It sounds abnormal. So I like what prof did.

Villagesquare:
They don't even know that the state has a significant input added to whatever they will collect from the Federal Government to offset some financial burdens and obligations. Prof is a very smart man and whenever he acts I am always inquisitive about his action and trust me after his detailed explanation You will pat him on the back and ask him to ride on.

They know except they have forgotten. The criminal minded professor governor only wants to short change the LG chairmen by playing smart.

The problem with Nigerians is that very few read and understand and make good use of it by their sense of reasoning, judgment and inputs.

Before now, that SG/LG Joint Account was actually an account to receive the FG allocations for the LGC and the SG put in their own purported share or percentage.
Now Gov. Soludo is trying to be smart by authorizing the LG to remit such funds as stipulated by the SG.
The question now becomes where is the portion that the SG is supposed to remit to the LG as support assistance?
What the purpose of the remittance of the LG funds into a LG/SG joint account as said by the governor?

I just look forward to see if the LG will challenge this Anambra State law in court.
It's now we will know who knows their onions and who is an intellectual.

Villagesquare:
Tell me the items in the exclusive list again. I repeat if the Federal wants a total autonomy for the local Government then a fiscal federalism should be implemented. Let the States generate and give to the Local Government that way it will be balanced. Now lets take a local government in Niger Delta for example. The Fed. Gov comes to exploit resources in the local areas then send portion of the revenue generated to the State and some to the local Government. It sounds abnormal. So I like what prof did.

Why are you using the LG in the Niger Delta region to elaborate?
Will your point not be driven if you use LG in Anambra State to drive your points?

It's not if the FG wants true fiscal federalism but it's the SG that should make a case in court rather Soludo trying to play smart with LG funds.

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

I am very sure you have not read the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria to understand what is written there but you know what is written and practiced in the USA.


Our Nigerian constitution says the Nation has 3 tiers of government.....The FG, SG and LG.
The constitution also says we have 3 arms of government....The Executive, Legislative and Judiciary.

We should work with how it's been written to suit our environment.
If you keep blarbing about why are we not copying the USA pattern for true federalism then you should also ask yourself why are our roads not American Standard road designs?

EponObi:
Soludo kept saying total LG autonomy will lead to chaos without explaining in details "how".

I put it to you, Soludo, "HOW will LG autonomy lead to chaos?"

History will remember you as the first person to derail this monumental win of the people.

Nope. He is on the side of the masses. With the current crop of political leaders we have in Nigeria and the lack of accountability in our polity. LG autonomy will surely be abused. Like someone said, we already have 36 governors that are not making the most of our resources at their disposal. Add 774 people or so to that list...na wanton corruption and owambe be that.

happney65:
Soludo is saying the truth. But because most of us do not know the true situation of things we can blarb.

The truth of the matter is that if you want local government autonomy of whatever you call it,you have to change the constitution completely. Even the constitution says the LG is under the control of the state government.

Worldwide there is nowhere there is 3 federating units. It is always two. The Federal and state.

In a true federalism like it's practised in the US. The LG is under the control of the states. The US has over 80,000LG and states create LG as they wish.

Here in Nigeria,coupled with the fact that the money being given to the LG are not even enough to pay salaries and that is why the states created joint LG accounts to offset the bills of LG since 1999.

All states have been offsetting the bills of LG because even the money they collect isn't up to anything

I don't know about your US statistics but it's clear lies saying LG funds are not enough to pay their salaries.
Visit the Office of the Account General of the Federation website to see how much each LG is getting monthly. Then compare it with development in that area. No LG in Nigeria whose salaries exceeds 100M naira monthly. Not like there's anyone paying up to that, but it's just for example. Then the remaining funds, what are they doing with it? That's where governors come into the picture.
They loot the remaining funds after salaries therefore dampening development and deepening poverty.

Armaggedon:
Soludo is in order. Supreme court erred.

So supreme Court can err?

Driven to discover

Wisdomkosi:
LG Autonomy Will Lead to Chaos – Anambra Governor Soludo Signs Bill to Deduct Funds | #Politicsnigeria



Source : https://politicsnigeria.com/lg-autonomy-will-lead-to-chaos-anambra-governor-soludo-signs-bill-to-deduct-funds/

So the west must be stupid for developing their region with such autonomy?

But state autonomy and even immunity for the Governor is good? Hypocrite!

Wisdomkosi:
LG Autonomy Will Lead to Chaos – Anambra Governor Soludo Signs Bill to Deduct Funds | #Politicsnigeria



Source : https://politicsnigeria.com/lg-autonomy-will-lead-to-chaos-anambra-governor-soludo-signs-bill-to-deduct-funds/

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Soludo,, the Future is waiting to Judge you..

We pray you don't find yourself in the wrong side of history when posterity comes..

goslowgoslow:
Oga stop misleading people, America doesn't have over 80,000 LGA. In the US what is called LGA in Nigeria is called counties and they are over 3,000.

Where una dey get una own statistics?

I must commend you for correcting that dude (who was carelessly spewing "wild figures" of all the United States-based countries) in a timely manner. I was just about to point out the errors in his post when I saw your post.

Don't worry, it will be well planned

Armaggedon:
Soludo is in order. Supreme court erred.

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Smartcitizen:
So supreme Court can err?

LG Autonomy: Can S/C Judgement Override the Constitution? What NASS must do
https://theplenary.com.ng/cover-story/lg-autonomy-can-s-c-judgement-override-the-constitution-what-nass-must-do/

Even though Skudo is a disappointment, he is right on this one.
The job was incomplete without tweaking the constitution to determine the modalities for the autonomy; otherwise, you will have small lords in charge of portions of the state.

However, to have legislated only on the deduction of the allocation is an incomplete job; only a constitution review will make Nigeria not look like a stupid country on this issue.