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BlueRayDick:
Wars have consequences bro.

In 1947 the United nation's voted for the creation of two independent States coexisting side by side ; The Arab state of Palestine and the Jewish state of Israel. The Palestinians kicked against this and decided to go to war with the Jewish state believing they will conquer them with the help of their Arab brothers scattered all over the middle east.

The Arabs lost the war and they have always had to deal with th consequence of losing a war. They had their lands annexed as spoils of war. You don't lose a war and start dictating how Ur conqueror will be treating u.

There's no justification whatsoever for what happened on October 07 2023. The Palestinians crossed the line maiming children, women and thousands of civilians.

You will continue to see casualty on the civilian side of Palestine as long as Hamas keeps using civilians as shields for their terrorist activities against the Jewish state.

nateevs:
The problem I have found is that people only go as far back in History to a place that justifies their own talking points.

There is always history before your chosen starting points. Did you ever ask why they rejected the two- state solution in 1948? What history preceded this point? Am yourself genuinely and find answers.

Also, we are no longer in the Ottoman Empire sir. This is 2024. Wars may have consequences, but none of it should include the inhumane treatment of conquered. There is the Internet and people can see what normal existence resemblance. If you however want to keep people in perpetual captivity, then there are going to be people who are militant enough to respond Oct 7th style.

It's a normal human instinct, and you will do the same.

nateevs:
The problem I have found is that people only go as far back in History to a place that justifies their own talking points.

There is always history before your chosen starting points. Did you ever ask why they rejected the two- state solution in 1948? What history preceded this point? Am yourself genuinely and find answers.

Also, we are no longer in the Ottoman Empire sir. This is 2024. Wars may have consequences, but none of it should include the inhumane treatment of conquered. There is the Internet and people can see what normal existence resemblance. If you however want to keep people in perpetual captivity, then there are going to be people who are militant enough to respond Oct 7th style.

It's a normal human instinct, and you will do the same.

nateevs:
You live in the states. No matter what any individual did before the video recording, the video does show an unarmed teenager, civilian, running away, and they got shot in the back. In the US where you live and in the UK where I live, that soldier will be court-marshalled. End of. No ifs, no buts. Nothing justifies that video. But I see that you are engaging in dehumanising people, so that murder in cold blood can be justified.

Israel ceded Gaza in 2005 but do you even know the conditions under which they live? 2m people on a strip land - the biggest open-air prison in the world, with no rights to work, travel, vote and no right to self-determination. Israel controls everything that goes into Gaza - Food, electricity, goods, even water.

Have you ever lived in a state where the neighbouring state controls the water to your house? But you guys expect Gazans to say Alhamdulilahi and be grateful? There will be push back, there will be resistance and there will be Hamas. Israel is the reason Hamas exists. Endof.

Before Oct 7th, there were over 3k Palestinians held indefinitely in Israeli prisons without charge. Not even charge of terrorism, which is their normal go-to. Whilst in custody, these people get beaten, tortured and raped. The soldiers who rape them are treated like celebrities in Israeli society. But you expect the people not to resist.

Hamas this Hamas that. Have you even familiarised yourself with Hamas' creation and Netnyahu's involvement?

Before i engage you, what's your religion?



Because you're sounding like Sinwar.

raumdeuter:
And you are parroting Hamas talking points. And that shooting video you posted was it in the west? The rules of engagement in the middle east is different from in the west which was why Sinwar and Osama got their treatment. You treat people according to the laws of the place

This your hardon for Hamas why are you not applying the same for Israelis captured by Hamas, were they charged to court by Hamas in Gaza or you dont care about Israeli lives?

Everything you are posting is fueled by naivety and your anti Israeli and anti Semite bigotry

For you to even try to justify the horrors of Ocrober 7 where innocent dancers were murdered babies murdered women raped. Their dead bodies burnt and spat on while shouting Allahu Akbar is astounding

This litany of defence you have are simply Hamas and terror lovers talking points. You tolerance for the intolerant is shocking

Regarding West bank. It must be naivety to think Hamas is the only terror organization that Israel face.
There are Al aqsa brigade, Islamic Jihad and various terror groups in West Bank whose aim is to murder as many Israelis as possible

You want Israel to wait do nothing while those terrorists kill them. To even try defend the atrocities of October 7 is a very low point

Bimmarlykay:
Before i engage you, what's your religion?



Because you're sounding like Sinwar.

raumdeuter:
And you are parroting Hamas talking points. And that shooting video you posted was it in the west? The rules of engagement in the middle east is different from in the west which was why Sinwar and Osama got their treatment. You treat people according to the laws of the place

This your hardon for Hamas why are you not applying the same for Israelis captured by Hamas, were they charged to court by Hamas in Gaza or you dont care about Israeli lives?

Everything you are posting is fueled by naivety and your anti Israeli and anti Semite bigotry

For you to even try to justify the horrors of Ocrober 7 where innocent dancers were murdered babies murdered women raped. Their dead bodies burnt and spat on while shouting Allahu Akbar is astounding

This litany of defence you have are simply Hamas and terror lovers talking points. You tolerance for the intolerant is shocking

Regarding West bank. It must be naivety to think Hamas is the only terror organization that Israel face.
There are Al aqsa brigade, Islamic Jihad and various terror groups in West Bank whose aim is to murder as many Israelis as possible

You want Israel to wait do nothing while those terrorists kill them. To even try defend the atrocities of October 7 is a very low point

Tell me how Israel is stopping Gazans from working in their country, traveling within their country or travel to Egypt, voting in Gaza

raumdeuter:
How come you are not concerned about the inhuman treatment Hamas dish out to fellow Palestinians, to Israelis

Anyway you've justified it in your mind that they are right

nateevs:
I am a Christian. RCCG. Shocking right? Oya go on.

nateevs:
Again nonsense. Me I am pro- humanity. Not pro-Hamas or pro-Israel.

To continue to say this nonsense is not be aware about the UK and the IRA. There was terrorism and there was UK response. There was never justification of murder because of some nonsense rules of engagement. Did the UK go on a killing spree because of terror by the IRA?

Meanwhile a black man calling me anti-semite is hilarious because of pro-Palestinian talking points. Alhaji, Palestinians are semites as well Israeli criticism does not equate antisemitism. That's just a silly point of view and a joke really.

I care about Israeli lives. 100%. Which is why I educated myself beyond the talking points in both sides. Israel creates the danger it finds itself in.

Hamas was voted in 2005, but there are wide-spread reports of the IDF snipers shooting children in the head, long before Hamas was in power. Is that Hamas' fault too?

I ask again. In the West Bank where Israelis are literally walking into the homes of Palestinians, removing them from their homes and bringing in settlers from Europe, is that Hamas' fault too? Was there any terror that preceded settlements happening in the West Bank?

Sabra and Shatila Massacre - the ruthless murder of up to 3500 civilians supported by the IDF during the 1982 war. Was this Hamas' fault as well? This was decades before Hamas was founded.

You guys are patting yourselves on your shoulders but fail to ask questions about why Israelis seem to always be involved with some group as though they are the first to live with Arabs.

There are several Arabians living in peace with neighbours. There are over 9 milion Lebanese living in Brazil, in peace. And Brazil has yet to record a single incidence of terror from the same people that Israel claims are inherently violent.

Why is it only Israel facing this problem?

BlueRayDick:
You are just rinjjhvaway from the major issue I raised in my post. The Arabs had a chance of having a country of their own, governed by laws made for themselves and all that on a platter of gold. They threw it away and chose war instead.

They are suffering the effects of losing a war they shouldn't have fought if they were less blood thirsty. You are talking about they being denied a whole lot of things when they threw those things away by losing a war.

If anything, the Palestine situation should be a lesson for all that sometimes being aggressive and overrating one's ability can lead to generational suffering for one's decsndants.

Hamas only added more suffering to their people's lot by the October 7th attack. I retierate again, the more Hamas terrorists keep using civilians as human shields, the more u will see casualty.

Israel as a nation has chose not to be vowed by terrorists who would sit behind civilian population sending rockets into Civilian population in Israel. If they will not come out to fight the military, then the death of their fellow countrymen will be on their hands. After all, Hamas are known to execute their fellow Palestinians anyways.

Ibime:
From your sympathies, many will assume you are Muslim and your name is Lateef!

nateevs:
There is no justification for violence anywhere. Hamas, IDF, the CIA, MI5, the Nigerian government. Whoever it is.

But let the people be the author of their own self- determination.

It is a very stupid pint of view to think that because Israel is criticised, then violence is justified. Only Israelis, and pro-Israel, Anti-Arab bigots think like this.

I hate religious fundamentalists. And this cuts across every people. From Islamic fundamentalists in Iran, through Christian Fundamentalists in the US, all the way to Zionists in Israeli who don't believe in God but think God promised them the land. But which God?

I condemn all violence. Do you condemn all violence or do you think a teenager must have done something wrong, to be shot in the back with an AR15 because you must support Israel?

To think you are even justifying this is the most barbaric thing I ever heard in my life. It's so fucking shocking. For dingdong who lives in the US.

You think Israelis care about black people. Take a trip to Israel and receive a shocker of your life.

nateevs:
You are the one running away from the point. So they rejected a two-state solution but you think it's irrelevant to know why.

Are you afraid of what you might find?

In 1937, way before the Balfour declarations. David Ben-Gurrion reportedly said.


"The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war".

David Ben-Gurrion himself again in 1956 reportedly said:

Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?


This is freaking David Ben-Gurrion. But you think the Arabs are the problem.

nateevs:
You are the one running away from the point. So they rejected a two-state solution but you think it's irrelevant to know why.

Are you afraid of what you might find?

In 1937, way before the Balfour declarations. David Ben-Gurrion reportedly said.


"The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war".

David Ben-Gurrion himself again in 1956 reportedly said:

Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?


This is freaking David Ben-Gurrion. But you think the Arabs are the problem.

BlueRayDick:
Why not tell us why the Arabs rejected having their own country just like the Jews embraced theirs?

Have u ever thought if the Arabs were more reasonable and less thirsty for the blood of the Jews what they could've achieved in the present day world?

Just would have their own government, dictate who wants to rule them, make progress in science and technology like the Jews did and can have as much allies as they want.

Ask yourself : Why is it hard for the Arabs to coexist with the Jews? Why not put the interests of their people first, build a prosperous country and have a strong military that can defend their territorial sovereignty?

Ben Guarion can say anything as a person, but once upon a time the Arabs had the chance of being a peace loving country coexisting with their Jewish neighbors; they chose the path of war and are reaping the spillover of that decision till date.

raumdeuter:
I am pro humanity and anti terror
Jewish people in their millions live in the US and have never had a problem with them

Now Ask yourself why is it that Moslems have problem with traditional religion in Africa
Moslems have a problem with Egungun worshippers in Offa
Moslems have a problem with Jewish people in Israel
Moslems have a problem with Hindu in India
Moslems have a problem with Buddhist in Asia
Moslems have a problem with Christians in the western Europe and USA
Shia and Sunnis even have a problem with themselves

Where do Jewish people have a problem with anyone currently except in middle east

There is only one common theme here. It's only anti Semitism that will make you ignore the actions of Hamas and focus on the reactions

In 2005 when Israel evacuated Gaza and left them alone them what did they do to their city? Made it a terror hub. You have even blamed Israel for Hamas men going pulling out their dick and raping concert goers

The 1972 Olympics when PLO terrorists went to Berlin and killed Israelis was it Israel that caused that

The 6 day wars when Arab neighbors decided to attack Israel was it Israel that caused

raumdeuter:
Tell me any group that Arabs live in peace with. They barely live in peace with themselves

Those who entered Europe as refugees have started stabbing

They have almost killed everyone in South Sudan and Darfur now

Nateevs doesn't care about those fellow black people killed by Arab invaders

Bimmarlykay:
Be careful, that's a terrorist don't engage him he is pained.

nateevs:
Finally you showed your face. You don't like Muslims. Just say it with your chest. You are a bigot Dayo. Agbalagba bigot.

You are an Ife boy. Did the Moslems cause the the issues with Modakeke? Did the Muslims cause all the unrests and killings in the South-south?

Did Muslims cause the massacre of the Tutsis by the Hutus in the Rwandan genocide?

Did the Muslims cause the Bosnian genocide?

In Myanmar, it was actually the Muslims who were being slaughtered.

How far back in History do you want to go? You want us to revisit the Christian Fundamentalists in England who slaughtered and burned people alive because they didn't believe in the church. Or the ones who were hanged to death because they were called witches. These people in the name of the Church of England partook in way more atrocities you can ever accuse anyone about.

You want to come to this debate with cherry-picked historical facts, you don't know enough.



In the Myanmar genocide, it was actually the Muslims that were killed.

BlueRayDick:
I don't think he sees the irony of saying he's pro-humanity and then stylishly justifying the October 7th attacks under any pretex.

nateevs:
There's no irony. Read my posts condemning all manners of violence, from Hamas to anyone. But you won't see that would you? If you fail to understand, then that's your problem

The person you are quoting justified the shooting of a teenager in the back with an AR15, as he ran away from Soldiers. But you are in my case?

Ibime:
Popizaino a Muslim is anti-Palestinian while Nateevs a Christian is pro-Palestinian

raumdeuter:
Tell us any group that live side by side with them and are on peace

Whether it's in Europe
In India
In Myamar
In Northern Nigeria
In Sudan
In Africa

Anywhere. I don't subscribe to tolerance of the intolerant

Did Ife Modakeke say they were fighting over religion Was Bosnia fighting over religion

Almost any religious fight you see there is always one common denominator


It's your anti semitism and Jewish hate that will make you excuse the atrocities of October 7. The only people who have done that were Hamas and other terror lovers which it seem you are part of as well

nateevs:
You sound like an Israeli spokesman.

Let me make it easy for you. I condemn what Hamas did on Oct 7th. It's barbaric and in my opinion, does more damage to the Palestinian cause than it helps.

Women, Children, should not be murdered in cold blood, whether by Hamas or IDF. I do not care for any of them. It should not happen.

But for it not to happen, Israeli must create the conditions to prevent this. You will never be able to get me to close my eyes and justify the cold murder of a teenager by a soldier and they say they deserved it. If you think so, you make a mockery of peace times. If you think it stops here, it's coming to a door near you.

raumdeuter:
If the boy attacked soldiers or hurt them then he deserved it

If he didn't attack them then he didn't deserve it

Simple

You seem to have a blanket excuse for any Israeli to be killed as they are the bad people by default

nateevs:
Then it confirms everything i have been saying. The only reason for this point of view is because they happen to be Arabian. And that my friend is bigotry.


The fact that the only conclusion you can reach from the video is that they must have done something wrong shows where where your bias stands. What if they didn't?