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Tommydare:
So, there were no players number 9 strikers that left seria a for england and they weren't flop? Giafranco Zola, Dennis Berkamp, Thierry Henry etc nko?

Abi na from naija league dem comot go england? Because player A flopped, does that logically or technically mean say player B go flop too?

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Guy we are talking about number 9 strikers like Oshimen nah
Zola was a midfielder not a number 9 striker...
Dennis Berkamp and Henry were not even successful in their respective Italian clubs before they came to arsenal!
Dennis had only 11 goals in 2 years at inter Milan and Henry had only 3 goals and a miserable 16 appearance in one season at Juventus before he ran to arsenal through arsene wenger!
Besides,I was talking about deathly and prolific NUMBER 9 strikers like Oshimen who were banging goals in the Italian serie A before moving to the EPL!
Just mention one....

I mentioned deadly strikers like Mutu and Shevechenko because they played in Chelsea!
It's hard for number 9 strikers who did very well in the Italian serie A to find their feet in the EPL...hence,Oshimen won't be any different!
If a very clever number 9 striker like Shevechenko can flop in Chelsea who is Oshimen that just frequently shoots aimlessly hoping the goalie will punch the ball inside the net?😂

Tommydare:
This your football IQ self na WA. Osimhen still scored 15 league goals out of 27 matches he played last season despite his injury wahala. And you still think that was a fluke?

15 goals in Serie A is a disappointment for an acclaimed number 9 striker in Serie A!
Even when haland was said to have had an underwhelming season,he still finished with more than 24 goals!
Even Harry Kane that had an injury still made more than 25 goals....so leave matter😌
Too much shalaye nor dey full basket!
However,let's not deviate from discus!
Oshimen MAY not do well in Chelsea and he MAY likely flop because records have shown that PROLIFIC number 9 strikers from Italian league MOST TIMES flop in the EPL esp when they go to Chelsea!
I stand to be corrected!

The way you analyse this football ehn. Saying Henry didn't have a good season before moving to EPL. Guy that doesn't matter. What matter is that he left seria a to EPL and became one of the best striker epl ever seen. Saying a player will flop just because another player did is not reasonable at all. Zola, Berkamp were not strikers but they are forwards. Mo Salah also came from Roma and he has been doing wonders. Why you dey talk as if the epl is some place where players coming from seria a will not shine. Salah dey bang goals either he is a strike or not. Our fate as humans are unique and different. Henry went to la Liga and flopped, suarez went there and shine. It's different. Osimhen na better striker and na wetin Chelsea need right now. Any team with no top striker in the epl won't win the league from guardiola. He has what others didn't have. Arsenal, Liverpool, man UTD, Chelsea has no top striker and it's a major factor why they won't win the league.

bentenny:
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Guy we are talking about number 9 strikers like Oshimen nah
Zola was a midfielder not a number 9 striker...
Dennis Berkamp and Henry were not even successful in their respective Italian clubs before they came to arsenal!
Dennis had only 11 goals in 2 years at inter Milan and Henry had only 3 goals and a miserable 16 appearance in one season at Juventus before he ran to arsenal through arsene wenger!
Besides,I was talking about deathly and prolific NUMBER 9 strikers like Oshimen who were banging goals in the Italian serie A before moving to the EPL!
Just mention one....

I mentioned deadly strikers like Mutu and Shevechenko because they played in Chelsea!
It's hard for number 9 strikers who did very well in the Italian serie A to find their feet in the EPL...hence,Oshimen won't be any different!
If a very clever number 9 striker like Shevechenko can flop in Chelsea who is Oshimen that just frequently shoots aimlessly hoping the goalie will punch the ball inside the net?😂


15 goals in Serie A is a disappointment for an acclaimed number 9 striker in Serie A!
Even when haland was said to have had an underwhelming season,he still finished with more than 24 goals!
Even Harry Kane that had an injury still made more than 25 goals....so leave matter😌
Too much shalaye nor dey full basket!
However,let's not deviate from discus!
Oshimen MAY not do well in Chelsea and he MAY likely flop because records have shown that PROLIFIC number 9 strikers from Italian league MOST TIMES flop in the EPL esp when they go to Chelsea!
I stand to be corrected!

Tommydare:
The way you analyse this football ehn. Saying Henry didn't have a good season before moving to EPL. Guy that doesn't matter.

Guy stop arguing blindly!
How can u say a number 9 striker like Henry who only scored 3 goals and appeared only 16 times for Juventus(mostly as a sub) all throughout an entire season as successful?
And U said it doesn't matter?😆😆
Guy stop arguing....at this stage,ur stance is already watery at best!
Get me a number 9 striker who has been prolific....in other words scoring goals like the likes of Shevechenko,Mutu,scamacca before gracing the EPL!

Tommydare:
What matter is that he left seria a to EPL and became one of the best striker epl ever seen.

Guy u don't even know what U are arguing!
Are U saying Oshimen was not successful at Napoli?
Oshimen left Ligue 1 to serie A and was successful but Henry was not before going to the EPL!
The bone of contention is that u disagree with my stance that number 9 strikers who have excelled in the Italian serie A mostly flop when they come to the EPL and I have provided evidence!

To the best of my overhyped football IQ like u hilariously opined,
Scammaca
Adrian Mutu
Andriy Shevechenko
Dani Osvaldo
Zaza
Manolo Gabbiadini

These players were deadly number 9 strikers for their Italian clubs but flopped as they came to the EPL!

U called Zola....Zola was never a striker or even played as one in the Italian league!
U called Henry and based on stats in Juventus,Henry struggled to even start and scored only a disappointing 3 goals and making a limited 16 games an entire 38 games all season and u call it a success? Smh
U called Berkamp who could only muster 11 goals in 2 years for inter Milan as a success?
Like seriously?😁😁

Tommydare:
Saying a player will flop just because another player did is not reasonable at all. Zola, Berkamp were not strikers but they are forwards. Mo Salah also came from Roma and he has been doing wonders. Why you dey talk as if the epl is some place where players coming from seria a will not shine. Salah dey bang goals either he is a strike or not. Our fate as humans are unique and different.

Guy stop arguing like all these guys in viewing centre with no knowledge of football.
We are not talking about wingers like Salah or midfielders like Zola....our disagreement is on number 9 strikers like Oshimen who have excelled in the Italian serie A before coming to EPL!
Number 9 strikers not midfielders or wingers or defenders....chai🤣🤣

Tommydare:
Henry went to la Liga and flopped, suarez went there and shine. It's different.

Guy stay focussed!
Nobody called la Liga
Stay on the argument!
U disagreed that number 9 strikers who excelled in Italian serie A flopped when they went to EPL....this is the bone of contention!
Stop going all over the place!

Tommydare:
Osimhen na better striker and na wetin Chelsea need right now. Any team with no top striker in the epl won't win the league from guardiola. He has what others didn't have. Arsenal, Liverpool, man UTD, Chelsea has no top striker and it's a major factor why they won't win the league.

No one is doubting that Oshimen is not a good striker but I only gave u stats of strikers that were more prolific than Oshimen in the serie A and yet flopped when they went to EPL!
I stand to be corrected!

Setting boundaries just to fit your argument won't work here my friend. The fact that a player had a bad season or stats in a particular league doesn't mean if you move to another league, the player won't be a success. Henry is a case study. You asked me to bring you a striker who moved from seria a to EPL and was a success and I brought you Henry and you are here telling me it's strikers that were banging goals before they move. If Henry can do it, osimhen can do it too. And I telling you that the fact that someone flopped doesn't mean others will. Is that hard to understand? Since we are talking about goals, I brought Salah up. Either you talk about strikers or not Salah came and banged goals even more than when he was in Italy. Some players were destined and built like that. Henry as done it and you can't deny it. But to be telling me ehn it's strikers that has been banging goals and shit. It doesn't matter either he was a free scoring striker in Italy or not. The most important thing is that he moved from Italy to EPL and became one of the most successful striker. And another player who is tearing goals is Salah. Either he is a striker or not, is he scoring? Yes.

bentenny:
Guy stop arguing blindly!
How can u say a number 9 striker like Henry who only scored 3 goals and appeared only 16 times for Juventus(mostly as a sub) all throughout an entire season as successful?
And U said it doesn't matter?😆😆
Guy stop arguing....at this stage,ur stance is already watery at best!
Get me a number 9 striker who has been prolific....in other words scoring goals like the likes of Shevechenko,Mutu,scamacca before gracing the EPL!

Guy u don't even know what U are arguing!
Are U saying Oshimen was not successful at Napoli?
Oshimen left Ligue 1 to serie A and was successful but Henry was not before going to the EPL!
The bone of contention is that u disagree with my stance that number 9 strikers who have excelled in the Italian serie A mostly flop when they come to the EPL and I have provided evidence!

To the best of my overhyped football IQ like u hilariously opined,
Scammaca
Adrian Mutu
Andriy Shevechenko
Dani Osvaldo
Zaza
Manolo Gabbiadini

These players were deadly number 9 strikers for their Italian clubs but flopped as they came to the EPL!

U called Zola....Zola was never a striker or even played as one in the Italian league!
U called Henry and based on stats in Juventus,Henry struggled to even start and scored only a disappointing 3 goals and making a limited 16 games an entire 38 games all season and u call it a success? Smh
U called Berkamp who could only muster 11 goals in 2 years for inter Milan as a success?
Like seriously?😁😁


Guy stop arguing like all these guys in viewing centre with no knowledge of football.
We are not talking about wingers like Salah or midfielders like Zola....our disagreement is on number 9 strikers like Oshimen who have excelled in the Italian serie A before coming to EPL!
Number 9 strikers not midfielders or wingers or defenders....chai🤣🤣

Guy stay focussed!
Nobody called la Liga
Stay on the argument!
U disagreed that number 9 strikers who excelled in Italian serie A flopped when they went to EPL....this is the bone of contention!
Stop going all over the place!

No one is doubting that Oshimen is not a good striker but I only gave u stats of strikers that were more prolific than Oshimen in the serie A and yet flopped when they went to EPL!
I stand to be corrected!

Tommydare:
Setting boundaries just to fit your argument won't work here my friend. The fact that a player had a bad season or stats in a particular league doesn't mean if you move to another league, the player won't be a success. Henry is a case study. You asked me to bring you a striker who moved from seria a to EPL and was a success and I brought you Henry and you are here telling me it's strikers that were banging goals before they move. If Henry can do it, osimhen can do it too. And I telling you that the fact that someone flopped doesn't mean others will. Is that hard to understand?

What boundaries are u referring to?
If u mean trying to bring u to the main stance or argument so that u don't keep jumping all over the place,then yes!

Just so that we don't lose track of this straightforward matter,let me bring u my previous argument right from the beginning of this argument...

bentenny:
Overhyped? most strikers who do very well in the Italian league hardly adapt to the rigors of the EPL!

This was my initial stance based on players who played similar position with Oshimen which is the number 9 strikers role
That is Osvaldo,gabbidindi,Mutu, Shevechenko and most recently scamacca!
These players were banging goals in the Italian league but flopped when they came to EPL!
Henry doesn't fit into this criteria because he was a flop at the serie A scoring only 3 goals and restricted to just 16 appearances in only one season!

We are talking about STRIKERS who were banging goals in the Italian league before they went to the EPL!

Take note!

Tommydare:
Since we are talking about goals, I brought Salah up. Either you talk about strikers or not Salah came and banged goals even more than when he was in Italy. Some players were destined and built like that. Henry as done it and you can't deny it. But to be telling me ehn it's strikers that has been banging goals and shit. It doesn't matter either he was a free scoring striker in Italy or not.

The most important thing is that he moved from Italy to EPL and became one of the most successful striker. And another player who is tearing goals is Salah. Either he is a striker or not, is he scoring? Yes.

Either you talk about strikers or not Salah came and banged goals even more than when he was in Italy. Some players were destined and built like that. Henry as done it and you can't deny it. But to be telling me ehn it's strikers that has been banging goals and shit. It doesn't matter either he was a free scoring striker in Italy or not. The most important thing is that he moved from Italy to EPL and became one of the most successful striker. And another player who is tearing goals is Salah. Either he is a striker or not, is he scoring? Yes.

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Walahi comprehension nah una problem for nairaland!
Salah is not a striker nah....he is a winger that scores goals!
We are talking about players who play the role of a number 9 like Harry Kane,halland and Oshimen!
Has Salah played the number 9 role before like Oshimen consistently does?
Make una try dey comprehend before reacting! Haba 😁😁
U cannot use Henry in this instance because he doesn't fit into that description!
We are talking about strikers who did very well in the Italian league...in other words,strikers whose goal scoring chats were in the region of 20 goals plus both in their first and second season!
Henry only spent one season at Juventus scoring a miserable 3 goals with just 16 appearances and was even played as a winger by the manager then!

Guy positioning matters a lot in football!
This is common knowledge that u sud know esp if U claim to have an superb or superior football IQ which I highly doubt!
Salah is not a striker....he is a winger!
Oshimen is a striker not a winger!
My stance is in reference to STRIKERS who have excelled in the serie A but flopped as they went to EPL!

Is it that hard to comprehend? Smh😄

Did I ever said Salah is a strker? Just using him as an example of a player that left Italy and since goals is the elephant in the room. When I say u are setting boundaries just to fit your argument, I mean you saying ehn it's only strikers that were banging goals before moving to Italy. That shit won't fit here bro. Because either you are banging goals or not before you move to another league, it doesn't really determine your success elsewhere. Henry fit into our discussion perfectly well bro. He moved from Italy to England and became an instant success. Na you dey find person wey dey bang goals before moving, but the truth is there was a player that have done it. And for him to do it, others can. All that stats you be using are just like theories, sometimes they are not empiricals. Using your stats as an extrapolation will only bring lapses. For example, Chelsea played 86 matches at home unbeaten, that really looks like they ain't gonna lose again but the day it happens, it shocked everyone. In a nutshell, stats ain't that reliable when it comes to real life shit like this. If osimhen comes to England and he becomes an instant success, will you eat grass if I give to you?

bentenny:
What boundaries are u referring to?
If u mean trying to bring u to the main stance or argument so that u don't keep jumping all over the place,then yes!

Just so that we don't lose track of this straightforward matter,let me bring u my previous argument right from the beginning of this argument...


This was my initial stance based on players who played similar position with Oshimen which is the number 9 strikers role
That is Osvaldo,gabbidindi,Mutu, Shevechenko and most recently scamacca!
These players were banging goals in the Italian league but flopped when they came to EPL!
Henry doesn't fit into this criteria because he was a flop at the serie A scoring only 3 goals and restricted to just 16 appearances in only one season!

We are talking about STRIKERS who were banging goals in the Italian league before they went to the EPL!

Take note!


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Walahi comprehension nah una problem for nairaland!
Salah is not a striker nah....he is a winger that scores goals!
We are talking about players who play the role of a number 9 like Harry Kane,halland and Oshimen!
Has Salah played the number 9 role before like Oshimen consistently does?
Make una try dey comprehend before reacting! Haba 😁😁
U cannot use Henry in this instance because he doesn't fit into that description!
We are talking about strikers who did very well in the Italian league...in other words,strikers whose goal scoring chats were in the region of 20 goals plus both in their first and second season!
Henry only spent one season at Juventus scoring a miserable 3 goals with just 16 appearances and was even played as a winger by the manager then!

Guy positioning matters a lot in football!
This is common knowledge that u sud know esp if U claim to have an superb or superior football IQ which I highly doubt!
Salah is not a striker....he is a winger!
Oshimen is a striker not a winger!
My stance is in reference to STRIKERS who have excelled in the serie A but flopped as they went to EPL!

Is it that hard to comprehend? Smh😄

Tommydare:
Setting boundaries just to fit your argument won't work here my friend. The fact that a player had a bad season or stats in a particular league doesn't mean if you move to another league, the player won't be a success. Henry is a case study. You asked me to bring you a striker who moved from seria a to EPL and was a success and I brought you Henry and you are here telling me it's strikers that were banging goals before they move. If Henry can do it, osimhen can do it too. And I telling you that the fact that someone flopped doesn't mean others will. Is that hard to understand? Since we are talking about goals, I brought Salah up. Either you talk about strikers or not Salah came and banged goals even more than when he was in Italy. Some players were destined and built like that. Henry as done it and you can't deny it. But to be telling me ehn it's strikers that has been banging goals and shit. It doesn't matter either he was a free scoring striker in Italy or not. The most important thing is that he moved from Italy to EPL and became one of the most successful striker. And another player who is tearing goals is Salah. Either he is a striker or not, is he scoring? Yes.

Before you start blowing grammar first check the genesis of the argument.....

bentenny:
Overhyped? most strikers who do very well in the Italian league hardly adapt to the rigors of the EPL!
Sacamacca is one of them!
He played in the Italian league and was banging goals...came to westham for a record fee and could not score UpTo three quarter of his goals before leaving to Atalanta!
Hope u remember andriy Shevechenko was one of the most lethal ac Milan strikers in the serie A but as soon as he was bought by Chelsea that was the end of his career as a footballer!
Wat about Adrian Mutu the prolific striker from Parma but as soon as he went to Chelsea,he scored only one goal before going back to the serie A and started banging goals!
I can go on and on!
Between Oshimen and younger Shevechenko,who was a better striker in the serie A.... Shevechenko was back to back to back but Oshimen did one season and u feel he is the best striker😄😄
There is a data for all these but I guess my soccer IQ is also overhyped like U said....maybe we need to check if ur database of footy is also overhyped 😂😂

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Chai...
At the risk of sounding like a broken record,Salah is not a striker but Oshimen is!
Salah was a winger from Roma and he is still a winger even if he scores goals!
The only way your argument would have made any sense is if I had claimed No player who did well in the serie A also excelled in EPL!
There are players from the serie A that have excelled in the EPL but Strikers from that league struggle and ultimately flop when they come to the EPL!
If u can peruse(which is obvious that you cannot) I made emphasis on a 'STRIKER'...
Henry Thierry cannot be a case study because he didn't do well in Serie A before coming to arsenal!
Did Henry excel when he went to Juventus from Monaco.... absolutely not!
Did he do well in the EPL? Absolutely!
Comprehension is not hard!