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Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 12:29pm On Oct 27, 2024
VULCAN:
It is poverty that places some people's mentality so low that they ONLY see the role of America as a haven for immigration.

The role that America plays in the world against Terrorism means nothing to them because ALL they do 24/7 is daydream about escaping bad leadership in Africa and going to America.

America has been dropping in all indices because of the influence of woke culture and it has dragged so many other Western democracies down with it.

The hatred that liberals have for moral codes, the two parent family, hard work and community has weakened the US and will lead to it's imminent downfall in the nearest future.

The selfishness of woke culture needs a strong opposing voice to stir the ship of state back in the right direction.

If you wake up the men who signed the US Declaration of Independence, none of them would align with woke culture.

The same thing with the Men Who Built America, Vanderbilt, Carnegie etc.

Men who built a country that gives woke people the backbone to focus on nonsense because they were born into a working system.

Many Nigerians can no longer afford bread and beans so no woke culture here outside of the children of the rich.

That tells you something, when the ONLY people that subscribe to a foolish mentality are those whose parents have given them a soft landing - so they have no pressure to make things work for themselves or others..

The Democratic ideal is an antithesis to Christianity and nobody who understands why Christ came and what he stands for will be comfortable with the Democratic Party.

The African immigrants you are referring to are voting for family values, self respect, their rights over their children and so many other things that make for a truly better life.

Stop rubbishing them with a petty mentality like they are trying to stop other immigrants from coming over.
This is a whole load of rubbish talk

First, America is not a "Christian country "

Never has, never will be
Second, your paragraph 3 is also cock and bull story, because if anything, American careless foreign policy in the middle east since the 70s is what contributed to the rise of terrorism in the middle east
Go educate yourself on the support and training America gave radicals (muhjadeens) because they were used by America to oust Soviets frm Afghan...

To Reagan and the neocons, containing "commuinism" was more important that it did not matter if we train radicals and fundamentalists, give them guns and go fight them

Those were the guys who morphed into the taliban abd Al queda (Bin Laden) today, and is giving the whole region headache.

Bin Laden, just like the many like him, eerr CIA assets till they went rogue
Most of you are half witted and half educated
That's why you will come out and utter such silly things and won't be challenged for it.....

Assad govt in Syria was (still is) a secular govt
Go check who went arming the "rebels" who was meant to oust him, who later somehow morphed into ISIL....

An average Nigerian Christian does not have common sense sha
so all these your comments don't shock me

To add, many of the supposed Africans voting rights wing candidates have self hatred in their blood, plus low self esteem....

Thank God here in the UK, most of us don't move mad like that
Right wing governments can NEVER win in the UK
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 12:31pm On Oct 27, 2024
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Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by tnerro1(m): 12:34pm On Oct 27, 2024
Old man rest, so you should open the border wide , even Nigeria wey no good still dey bounce some people back to their countries 😁😅😂😁😅

Any way sha, illegal immigrants are one of the biggest source of democratic votes. Trump should setup a panel to investigate the illegal immigration and democratic voter registration, a lot of things will be unveiled
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 12:36pm On Oct 27, 2024
Originalsly:
No doubt ... when your visa expires you are in the country illegally. When did his visa expire?
The group he is fighting is the one that wants to enter the country illegally ... he's against open borders which allow people to enter a country without being documented. Isn't that a problem we complain about in Nigeria?... people just be trooping in from Chad and wherever?
But that doesn't mean he was not an illegal
White supremacy at its finest sha
Many of them don't see themselves as immigrants, even though many came in illegally

The other day Kevin O leary was running his mouth on TV about American politics
Note: This idiat is NOT even an American Citizen, but Canadian, but they didn't see an issue with it
After all, it's a "white race ting" like black British ppl talk here. lolgrin cheesy

Let a black person or Hispanic who is not a citizen like O leary do something similar and watch the Internet "catch fire"
Rubbish
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 12:40pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
This is a whole load of rubbish talk

First, America is not a "Christian country "

Never has, never will be
So what is it? No man's land? Open to all and sundry to come and do whatever they wish? This is the kind of mentality that stokes hatred. Sometimes kindness can be a terrible weakness.

Good Luck to USA.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IMAliyu2: 12:42pm On Oct 27, 2024
Biodun556:
Pls send him back to South Africa or Nigeria if you don't want him

What Elon musk achieve in few years of space exploration is beyond what NASA achieved in decades
What has elon achieved in space exploration that NASA hasn't?
Give examples
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IMAliyu2: 12:44pm On Oct 27, 2024
Menclothing1:
Elon musk an African root richest man in the world he should create jobs in Africa
He's a white South African, that grew up during Apartheid

What makes you think he gives a single care about Africans?
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Oakenshield: 12:48pm On Oct 27, 2024
flyinnizam:
old biden should keep quiet. if Elon Musk was an illegal migrant, he won't be talking about illegal migrants all the time
was he not supposed to go back to SA? Over sabi go USA make I see Musk go keep quiet
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by djon78(m): 12:55pm On Oct 27, 2024
So Elon Musk a South African came to the US on a student visa

But today is the worlds richest man

Honestly give it to America

But on a second thought our Nigerian and other African brothers that migrated to the US

There isn't even a billionaire self among them


Hmmm🤷
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by TEYA: 12:56pm On Oct 27, 2024
flyinnizam:
old biden should keep quiet. if Elon Musk was an illegal migrant, he won't be talking about illegal migrants all the time
once you guys stick your heads into the butt hole of someone, you never take it out, do you?
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by N2B2: 12:57pm On Oct 27, 2024
Biodun556:
Pls send him back to South Africa or Nigeria if you don't want him

What Elon musk achieve in few years of space exploration is beyond what NASA achieved in decades
Do you think Musk would have achieved it without the support of the US government? Do you think he would have achieved all that in Nigeria or South Africa? Ha!
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by VULCAN(m): 12:59pm On Oct 27, 2024
Anyone who responds to anothers perspective with an insult is a person incapable of identifying or applying logic.

Insult is the first sign of a lower mentality. That's why Okada riders and danfo drivers respond with insults when you attempt to correct them.

The second sign that someone is incapable of critical thinking on a topic is when they introduce a concept that you never mentioned and drone on about it.

This joker says the "US isn't a Christian country"

Did I ever say it was?

...Even though over 60% of the US population IDENTIFIES as Christian grin

Then he goes off tangent to talk about Americans not being interested in Middle East foreign policy.

I guess that's why students in campuses all over the US have been demonstrating in support of Palestine.

It's something that matters so little to them that they abandoned their studies for while and made their campuses danger zones for the Jewish students.

Anyway, when the fellow started off so off -point and with blind arguments, I decided not to read the rest as once you begin as poorly as he did - it can only get worse and I wouldn't want to embarrass him further.

People that froth at the mouth ALWAYS end up wasting everyone's time with illogical and false arguments.


RodgersAkpafu:
This is a whole load of rubbish talk

First, America is not a "Christian country "

Never has, never will be
Second, your paragraph 3 is also cock and bull story, because if anything, American careless foreign policy in the middle east since the 70s is what contributed to the rise of terrorism in the middle east
Go educate yourself on the support and training America gave radicals (muhjadeens) because they were used by America to oust Soviets frm Afghan...

To Reagan and the neocons, containing "commuinism" was more important that it did not matter if we train radicals and fundamentalists, give them guns and go fight them

Those were the guys who morphed into the taliban abd Al queda (Bin Laden) today, and is giving the whole region headache.

Bin Laden, just like the many like him, eerr CIA assets till they went rogue
Most of you are half witted and half educated
That's why you will come out and utter such silly things and won't be challenged for it.....

Assad govt in Syria was (still is) a secular govt
Go check who went arming the "rebels" who was meant to oust him, who later somehow morphed into ISIL....

An average Nigerian Christian does not have common sense sha
so all these your comments don't shock me

To add, many of the supposed Africans voting rights wing candidates have self hatred in their blood, plus low self esteem....

Thank God here in the UK, most of us don't move mad like that
Right wing governments can NEVER win in the UK
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Originalsly: 1:00pm On Oct 27, 2024
Baffupdrizz:
The two things that I find contradictory in this statement is that he says that:
1. He was in the US illegally yet admitting that he 'came' on student visa at the same time.

2. That since he was working, that he wasn't in school. Is he trying to argue that those who are in school are not allowed by law to work?

Can anyone with more knowledge about the matter please clarify why working in this case or any case whatsoever could be seen as violation of the law?
1. Biden never said Musk was in the country illegally.

2. He never said that. He said he did not attend school but was working instead.

The statements can't be made more simple or can be more straightforward.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Goke7: 1:01pm On Oct 27, 2024
djon78:
So Elon Musk a South African came to the US on a student visa

But today is the worlds richest man

Honestly give it to America

But on a second thought our Nigerian and other African brothers that migrated to the US

There isn't even a billionaire self among them


Hmmm🤷
Who says? Haven’t you heard of Tope Awotona or Ogunlesi? They were born in Nigeria and migrated to US and are now billionaires in dollars o, the list goes on
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by djon78(m): 1:04pm On Oct 27, 2024
Goke7:
Who says? Haven’t you heard of Tope Awotona or Ogunlesi? They were born in Nigeria and migrated to US and are now billionaires in dollars o, the list goes on
Never heard of them

They should have been in the news

I remember one Saudi Arabia based African that they used to put in Africa s billionaire list even before Dangote joined the list

These ones should have been recognized

I haven't heard about them in Forbes list
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 1:06pm On Oct 27, 2024
VULCAN:
Anyone who responds to anothers perspective with an insult is a person incapable of identifying or applying logic. Insult is the first sign of a lower mentality. That's why Okada riders and danfo drivers respond with insults when you attempt to correct them.

The second sign that someone is incapable of critical thinking on a topic is when they introduce a concept that you never mentioned and drone on about it.

This joker says the "US isn't a Christian country"

Did I ever say it was?

...Even though over 60% of the US population IDENTIFIES as Christian grin

Then he goes off tangent to talk about Americans not being interested in Middle East foreign policy.

I guess that's why students in campuses all over the US have been demonstrating in support of Palestine. It's something that matters so little to them that they abandoned their studies for while and made their campuses danger zones for the Jewish students.

Anyway, when the fellow started off so off -point and with blind arguments, I decided not to read the rest as once you begin as poorly as he did - it can only get worse and I wouldn't want to embarrass him further.

People that froth at the mouth ALWAYS end up wasting everyone's time with illogical and false arguments.
60% identifying as Christian does not make America a Christian country

Thats one
If you knew anything at all, you will know that the establishment of America was to escape the mess of entanglement between the church and the state in Europe at the time.

Again. half wit and half education
Despite all you wrote up there
you didn't even address the points that I raised, which you don't even have to. because you have nothing to add.

And where did I write that America is not interested in the middle east ?
America foreign policy misadventures in the middle east is a HUGE CONTRIBUTOR to the mess in the middle east today
And I can cite many many examples to that effect

The students protesting against Israelis high handedness against Palestinians is a just cause , but harassment of Jewish students is a no no...
They have nothing to do with it
Zionism does not equate to Jews
the same way radical Islam does not equate to Arabs

Anyways
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Originalsly: 1:09pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
it that doesn't mean he was not an illegal.

White supremacy at its finest sha

Many of them don't see themselves as immigrants, even though many came in illegally
Was he an illegal? Most immigrants see themselves as immigrants .... regardless if they entered the country legally or illegally. What is your comment based on?
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by planetx: 1:10pm On Oct 27, 2024
djon78:
So Elon Musk a South African came to the US on a student visa

But today is the worlds richest man

Honestly give it to America

But on a second thought our Nigerian and other African brothers that migrated to the US

There isn't even a billionaire self among them


Hmmm🤷
Millions of immigrants have also moved to America and did not become millionaires talkless of billionaires, likewise a Dangote is Africa's richest man without moving to the US.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by GambaOsaka: 1:15pm On Oct 27, 2024
tishbite42:
This world is wicked
After using a ladder, you destroy it so that others can't
Honestly , it’s human wicked nature.
I have a colleague who came in from China and has somehow become an American citizen. You need to see the way he hates it that other people are coming in. I try to avoid him as much as possible.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 1:18pm On Oct 27, 2024
Originalsly:
Was he an illegal? Is Musk White? Most immigrants see themselves as immigrants .... regardless if they entered the country legally or illegally. What is your comment based on?
Was he an illegal = Hell yea
Violating the terms of your visa makes you an illegal

Was he white= hell yea
he is Caucasian and identifies as one

The right wing crazies even see him as one of their captains
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by ElSudani: 1:22pm On Oct 27, 2024
Menclothing1:
Elon musk an African root richest man in the world he should create jobs in Africa
Does he even mention Africa? I think Africa is a place he doesn't want to remember at all.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Goke7: 1:23pm On Oct 27, 2024
GambaOsaka:
Honestly , it’s human wicked nature.
I have a colleague who came in from China and has somehow become an American citizen. You need to see the way he hates it that other people are coming in. I try to avoid him as much as possible.
It’s human nature to migrate, if some people like let them cry till tomorrow or shut whatever border people will move.

The funny thing is that the backlash of trying to restrict people is what these anti migrant people can’t afford, when gbege happen dem go mellow and the cycle goes on. They are just cowards jare
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by tishbite42: 1:24pm On Oct 27, 2024
cococandy:
That’s what conservativism is.
Real talk
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Goke7: 1:26pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
Was he an illegal = Hell yea
Violating the terms of your visa makes you an illegal

Was he white= hell yea
he is Caucasian and identifies as one

The right wing crazies even see him as one of their captains
As far as they are concerned he violated no rule.

The Europeans calling themselves Americans today which documentation did they use to settle into the country and call America home
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Eriokanmi: 1:29pm On Oct 27, 2024
udemzyudex:
You're a waste of time.

If I insult you now, they'll say I can't pass my message without insult.
As a legal citizen of Nigeria, is it not also illegal for you to own a gun without license?
When I say you lots have comprehension issue you think I was joking.

You just prove my point, your type always think you're smart whereas you're dumb.
Your comments were already riddled with insults, right from the first one and that simply confirms your maturity and civility level. I only asked you a simple question in response to your post and gbam...the insults. Till now, you've still not responded wink.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Originalsly: 1:30pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
Was he an illegal = Hell yea
Violating the terms of your visa makes you an illegal

Was he white= hell yea
he is Caucasian and identifies as one

The right wing crazies even see him as one of their captains
Violating the terms of the visa doesn't make one illegal. Expiration of the visa makes one illegal. As in ... you entered with a student visa ... expiring in 2028 .... but never attended school ... you can conduct legal business ..using your passport ... stopped by the Police and present it ... you are still legal.... irrespective that you've violated the terms of the visa. After the expiry date ... it's a different story ... you wouldn't be able to conduct business and if stopped by the Police can be arrested and deported because you are now illegal. Violating the terms of the visa I guess can lead to revocation or a ban.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 1:32pm On Oct 27, 2024
Originalsly:
Violating the terms of the visa doesn't make one illegal. Expiration of the visa makes one illegal. As in ... you entered with a student visa ... expiring in 2028 .... but never attended school ... you can conduct legal business ..using your passport ... stopped by the Police and present it ... you are still legal.... irrespective that you've violated the terms of the visa. After the expiry date ... it's a different story ... you wouldn't be able to conduct business and if stopped by the Police can be arrested and deported because you are now illegal. Violating the terms of the visa I guess can lead to revocation or a ban.
I'm shocked you are saying this
Anyways its the same thing that you did (yea I know about your antecedents )
Doesn't mean it was not "breaking the law"

Conducting business on student visa is a violation that is liable to revocation AND deportation

Okay
Assuming it was B1/B2 (like it was in ur case)

If they had busted the woman place of work abd found out she was a B1 B2 holder working, what do you think happens next
esp if she is black or Latino

there goes your answer
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by MichaelSokoto(m): 1:35pm On Oct 27, 2024
emkz:
That is the only type of conversation you can have with yourself.

It is not in my place to exchange banters with you or your kind.
iffa land u one obara chineke slap ehn, Olohun..
u go feel it, walahi!

Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 1:36pm On Oct 27, 2024
Goke7:
As far as they are concerned he violated no rule.

The Europeans calling themselves Americans today which documentation did they use to settle into the country and call America home
I always get under their skin when I am around them
That's my favourite past time
Calling them European Americans

The thing dey vex them eh
It means they know what they are doing
Its only a matter of time before the denonym stick

White Supremacy must die this century
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Originalsly: 1:42pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
I'm shocked you are saying this
Anyways its the same thing that you did (yea I know about your antecedents )
Doesn't mean it was not "breaking the law"

Conducting business on student visa is a violation that is liable to revocation AND deportation

Okay
Assuming it was B1/B2 (like it was in ur case)

If they had busted the woman place of work abd found out she was a B1 B2 holder working, what do you think happens next
esp if she is black or Latino

there goes your answer
Read what you wrote a few lines earlier and you will see the answer to your question.
I know nothing about a B1 or B2 visa .... you seem to know more about me than I do.

Don't forget or detour .... the point is was Musk in the country illegally?
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 1:42pm On Oct 27, 2024
Goke7:
As far as they are concerned he violated no rule.

The Europeans calling themselves Americans today which documentation did they use to settle into the country and call America home
I forgot to add
even Trump wife was an illegal who Trump at the time dubiously helped to "regularise" her stay and subsequently became American

They will not see that one
But Obama till today, despite having a white mom but looks and identifies as black is still a victim of the "birthed movement " which was starred by yours truly Donald Trump and people till date still call him not American and should be deported

Go to all these right wing spaces and see what goes on there
But black ppl who no get sense of understanding of the world they live in will be siding with them because of religious or even silly reasons of thinking they "belong somehow"

White Supremacy ?
anyways
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 1:44pm On Oct 27, 2024
Originalsly:
Read what you wrote a few lines earlier and you will see the answer to your question.
I know nothing about a B1 or B2 visa .... you seem to know more about me than I do.
No wahala
You are legal now so no shaking
imma leave it as that
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