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Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Gerrard59(m): 6:29pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
Gerra.rd59
please I will politely ask you to answer paragraph 2 for me
I'll like to hear what you think
He is right though. The way our elites think makes me believe we have a long way to go regarding basic development. If elites cannot have their streets pedestrianed or ensure indigent farmers cultivate in peace and not in pieces, then something is wrong. Anyway, I have never categorised Nigerian elites, public and private, as intelligent people in the first place.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 6:36pm On Oct 27, 2024
Gerrard59:
P.S. Trinidad is half Indian, half black. The same applies to Guyana as well.
The situation in Guyana is quite interesting. Everyone should go and familiarize themselves with the goings on there, especially since they hit a massive crude oil discovery some time ago that will soon start production. Of course there's a scramble for oil money and all that goes with it.

The dominant races there seem to be the Negroes and Asian Indians. The Asian Indians are the numeric majority and control the government. Of course the Negroes are already complaining of RACISM grin and have gotten some USA Democrats to apply some pressure on their behalf. Very interesting indeed. We shall see how far they can unite against White Supremacy grin cheesy grin

The largest ethnic group are the Indo-Guyanese, the descendants of indentured labourers from India, who make up 39.8% of the population, according to the 2012 census.[10] They are followed by the Afro-Guyanese, the descendants of enslaved labourers from Africa, who constitute 29.3. Guyanese of mixed heritage make up 19.9%.
https://demerarawaves.com/2021/08/15/top-us-democratic-congressman-calls-for-end-to-discrimination-in-guyana

15 August 2021, 17:31 by Denis Chabrol

Chair of the House Democratic Caucus, United States Congressman Hakeem Jeffries on Sunday backed calls by the Afro-Guyanese dominated opposition A Partnership for National Unity+Alliance For Change (APNU+AFC) to address alleged racism by the majority Indo-Guyanese People’s Progressive Party (PPP)-led administration.

“We stand in solidarity with each and everyone of you to deal with the situation down in Guyana,” he said, adding that “we will not tolerate” racism, intolerance, hatred, xenophobia, racially motivated violence, discrimination and justice.

Addressing a pro-APNU+AFC rally in Brooklyn, Mr. Jeffries also urged American President Joe Biden to replace US Ambassador to Guyana, Sarah-Ann Lynch who had been appointed by the then Donald Trump administration. “It is time for the Biden administration to act…and the first thing that I think that Biden administration needs to do is to get rid of the Trump-appointed Ambassador to Guyana,” he told the more than 2,000 persons who marched through the streets of Brooklyn. Ms. Lynch as well as other top Western diplomats had come in for scathing criticism for stating that there had been serious voter irregularities at the March 2, 2020 general elections. After five-month long wait, the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) had used the results from a national vote recount and had declared the PPP the winner.
I'm waiting for the Afro-Guyanese to declare Civil War to press their demands. What are they waiting for? grin

Good Luck to Nigerians!
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 6:40pm On Oct 27, 2024
Gerrard59:
In return, Chinese students especially those from the Mainland would stay clear of British universities. Let Oxbridge and Imperial go to Onitsha and Ijebu-ode to recruit high tuition fees students who aren't mandated by law to do POF. As for subservient policies, most likely those woke ones who study courses with funny looking names and/or their cousins from Hong Kong. Some of them ran back to Hong Kong and Singapore after experiencing the terrible weather and high rate of crime in the UK.


My comment above describes such people. As of last year, Chinese students topped the list of foreigners who study at British universities but were below the list of those with dependants and weren't interested in staying back. I wonder how that has changed so rapidly within a year. I hope you are not mistaking Chinese Singaporeans for Mainland Chinese?


Obviously, they are not benevolent. They appear so because we are weak. The moment we rise economically, they would fret. In my opinion, they have this belief that we would never rise. Also, in their defence, they fear that should we rise economically, we would be worse than the Chinese, especially considering the inhumane treatment as a result of the slave trade and colonisation.


Because they have it better in South Africa than in the UK. When the Nigerian economy was good, our people went to the UK, studied and gladly/willingly returned. That is life - humans prefer to live amongst those who look, think, talk and behave like them.
The British are using the sweet ,soft life here to trap these Chinese Students
America had similar subvertive policies as well until Trump came to mess it up
And yea, I'm talking of mainland Chinese people
especially the ones that are not on Chinese scholarship

The Chinese are somewhat handicapped here because despite all they have tried
western unis still hold huge prestige across the world , even within China
So Chinese students will continue to come

Britain is using the stick (ATAS) and Carrot (enjoy your stay here and work with us) style
As the ambassador came
we knew that China has sensed that wahala don dey

Did they really think UK will make it easy for them?

I also want to add to something
The Chinese students who largely come here are young, and unmarried so obviously they are not coming with dependants
But with Nigerians, not only were they much older (by default older ppl are more likely to be married with kids), they used it as a backdoor for legal migration

Now that that's off the table
number of international students from Nigeria don reduce

a lot of things are happening at the same time
and it's very interesting to see how it plays out in the future
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 6:41pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
Gerrard59
please I will politely ask you to answer paragraph 2 for me
I'll like to hear what you think
What is there to be polite about? Are you an Igbophobe? Don't you have married Igbo friends? Ask them if they did genealogical enquiries to ensure they were not marrying an Osu. Just ask, it's not hard. You could also ask them if an Osu can buy land anywhere they like in their home village. One thing I don't do is lie on a public forum.

Why not go fight that blight in Nigeria before losing sleep over White Supremacy grin

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 6:42pm On Oct 27, 2024
IbeOkehie:
What is there to be polite about? Are you an Igbophobe? Don't you have married Igbo friends? Ask them if they did genealogical enquiries to ensure they were not marrying an Osu. Just ask, it's not hard. You could also ask them if an Osu can buy land anywhere they like in their home village. One thing I don't do is lie on a public forum.

Why not go fight that blight in Nigeria before losing sleep over White Supremacy grin

Good Luck to Nigerians.
im an igbo person
why would I be an igbophobe

Owww Akpafu does not sound exactly igbo. but I am
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 6:46pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
im an igbo person
why would I be an igbophobe

Owww Akpafu does not sound exactly igbo. but I am
So why is the Osu thing something you have to confirm? Every Igbo person knows this. In fact in my own social circle here, that's the first thing with which I challenge every leftist Igbo Democrat, that and Federal Character vs Affirmative Action. In fact when young Igbo people born in the USA are getting married to other young Igbo people here, they go to Nigeria to investigate the genealogy. If you're Igbo you know it's true.

So are you ready to lead the campaign against Osu Caste System, or you're only concerned with White Supremacy? grin

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 6:47pm On Oct 27, 2024
Gerrard59:
He is right though. The way our elites think makes me believe we have a long way to go regarding basic development. If elites cannot have their streets pedestrianed or ensure indigent farmers cultivate in peace and not in pieces, then something is wrong. Anyway, I have never categorised Nigerian elites, public and private, as intelligent people in the first place.
I agree with your Nigerian elite angle
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 6:48pm On Oct 27, 2024
IbeOkehie:
So why is the Osu thing something you have to confirm? Every Igbo person knows this. In fact in my own social circle here, that's the first thing with which I challenge every leftist Igbo Democrat, that and Federal Character vs Affirmative Action. In fact when young Igbo people born in the USA are getting married to other young Igbo people here, they go to Nigeria to investigate the genealogy. Fact and if you're Igbo you know it too.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
paragraph 2 wasn't about osu
paragraph 2 was about ability of black ppl to develop

he has answered the question
look at his post
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 6:51pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
paragraph 2 wasn't about osu
paragraph 2 was about ability of black ppl to develop

he has answered the question
look at his post
OK, so are you ready to lead the fight against Osu Caste System? Because you're better equipped for that than fighting White Supremacy.

While we're at it, do you approve of Federal Character Requirements in Nigeria?

Do you approve of Affirmative Action, basically racial set asides and special advantages based on race, in the USA?

Good Luck to Nigeria
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 7:03pm On Oct 27, 2024
IbeOkehie:
OK, so are you ready to lead the fight against Osu Caste System? Because you're better equipped for that than fighting White Supremacy.

While we're at it, do you approve of Federal Character Requirements in Nigeria?

Do you approve of Affirmative Action, basically racial set asides and special advantages based on race, in the USA?

Good Luck to Nigeria
Interesting question
To question 1: Osu practice is at the fringes of Igbo society today
Heck...
We don't even do that in my corner of Igbo land
it's not something we recognise or can relate to

To your questions 2 and 3, I am in favour of Federal Character and Affirmative Action
But with two caveats

1. Applied properly
2. Have an expiration date(maybe a 30 year or 35 year span at most, the experts will need to come with a study )

Perpetual AA and FCC is counter productive and even destructive
The whole idea is to elevate historically disadvantaged people to "advantaged status"

Not to give people Perpetual advantage by scoring lower scores
Once there has been some leveling of the field
.yank it off

cc Gerrard59
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 7:10pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
Interesting question
To question 1: Osu practice is at the fringes of Igbo society today
This is a lie. People I know personally, when I challenge them on this they can't resort to this craven denial me because I'm likely to call them out on their own personal practices in support of the Osu Caste system.

You know it's a lie. So I can't read further than that. I understand your stance though. grin

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 7:12pm On Oct 27, 2024
IbeOkehie:
This is a lie. People I know personally, when I challenge them on this they can't tell me this because I'm likely to call them out on their own personal practices in support of the Osu Caste system.

You know it's a lie. So I can't read further than that. I understand your stance though. grin

Good Luck to Nigeria.
huhhuhhuhhuhhuh
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 7:13pm On Oct 27, 2024
Wow
Been on this thread for quite a min......

Time to go face something else
Was a pleasure to post my thoughts here

And read the thoughts of others too
Cheers
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Owologbo(m): 7:14pm On Oct 27, 2024
tishbite42:
A criminal is a criminal
He was an illegal worker
He's against illegal immigrants.
You want USA to be like Nigeria that anyone can just walk into without paper?
Trump is not against immigrant, but illegal ones.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Gerrard59(m): 7:19pm On Oct 27, 2024
IbeOkehie:
The situation in Guyana is quite interesting. Everyone should go and familiarize themselves with the goings on there, especially since they hit a massive crude oil discovery some time ago that will soon start production. Of course there's a scramble for oil money and all that goes with it. The dominant races there seem to be the Negroes and Asian Indians. The Asian Indians are the numeric majority and control the government. Of course the Negroes are already complaining of RACISM grin and have gotten some USA Democrats to apply some pressure on their behalf. Very interesting indeed. We shall see how far they can unite against White Supremacy grin cheesy grin

https://demerarawaves.com/2021/08/15/top-us-democratic-congressman-calls-for-end-to-discrimination-in-guyana
I'm waiting for the Afro-Guyanese to declare Civil War to press their demands. What are they waiting for? grin
Good Luck to Nigerians!
Well, it depends on who wins the White House. But countries with two distinct racial/ethnic groups with significant numbers would find it hard to prosper. Namibia seems to be in a better position then. Guyana is too far if not, Africans should be investing there in large numbers. I watched a video where a Mainland Indian man was extolling the investment opportunities in the country to those in India.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Gerrard59(m): 7:23pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
To your questions 2 and 3, I am in favour of Federal Character and Affirmative Action
But with two caveats

1. Applied properly
2. Have an expiration date(maybe a 30 year or 35 year span at most, the experts will need to come with a study )

Perpetual AA and FCC is counter productive and even destructive
The whole idea is to elevate historically disadvantaged people to "advantaged status"

Not to give people Perpetual advantage by scoring lower scores
Once there has been some leveling of the field
.yank it off

cc Gerrard.59
In my opinion, affirmative action just as federal character should be scrapped. No group in the world has prospered or progressed through such policies. Nigeria (Igbos&Hausa/Fulanis) and Malaysia (Malay&Chinese) are good examples. It does more harm than good. Equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. However, if affirmative action must remain in place, only descendants of enslaved African Americans should be the beneficiaries not black Africans wey enter aeroplane WILLINGLY.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 7:37pm On Oct 27, 2024
Gerrard59:
In my opinion, affirmative action just as federal character should be scrapped. No group in the world has prospered or progressed through such policies. Nigeria (Igbos&Hausa/Fulanis) and Malaysia (Malay&Chinese) are good examples. It does more harm than good. Equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. However, if affirmative action must remain in place, only descendants of enslaved African Americans should be the beneficiaries not black Africans wey enter aeroplane WILLINGLY.
Just as a by the way, here's some evidence of White Supremacist oppression of Blacks in the USA.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Good Luck to Nigerians.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Goke7: 7:42pm On Oct 27, 2024
IjeBos:
I don't think people are aware that the only real natives in the US were relegated to reservations by the European colonists.
Outside the Indians, there are no natives of the US , everyone is an immigrant and or descendant of an immigrant.
Even the Indians migrated there too just that they were the first, reason Why America is called the land of the free. Canada same thing too. I don’t even care what the Europeans do in their own continent but you see North America those who keep saying they want their country back are deluded as no one own that land originally. And all the wealth there are the collective efforts of all manner of races. Even the Mexicans will keep flooding the southern border cos for them it was originally part of Mexico. Too many stakeholders for any group to form supremacy. It will always be met with backlash. It’s what it is
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 7:53pm On Oct 27, 2024
IbeOkehie:
Just as a by the way, here's some evidence of White Supremacist oppression of Blacks in the USA.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Good Luck to Nigerians.
So what is this statistics suppose to imply?

I'm beginning to think that you are one of those black Africans who wish they were white so bad
like thar Jesse Peterson moròn
people who are so grateful to be among white folks to the point of being chronic coons....

First of all, you allude to the false belief that black people ARE NOT capable of development,
then examples of black run countries thar are well run were given, then you say that owww, its because non blacks are there, looking for ant reason to back your wrong world view that there is something inherent about black ppl that makes them "not have developed countries "

I still give you historical empirical evidence about how Shitty Europe once was and how they factors that plague us now was their reality then and how does it mean that they were genetically inferior to the middle East at that time because they were clearly ahead at that time, you skirted away from that

Now you are saying white people should fight for their land because minorities who are citizens are demanding better treatment

Na wa for u o IbeOkehie

Anyways sha, that does not mean I'm not still your fan, but please I'll admonish you quit cooning and take some pride in yourself as an African l, regardless of the state of the continent or what u think

Again, what is the (mischievous) point of the stats u posted up there
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by RodgersAkpafu: 7:55pm On Oct 27, 2024
Goke7:
Even the Indians migrated there too just that they were the first, reason Why America is called the land of the free. Canada same thing too. I don’t even care what the Europeans do in their own continent but you see North America those who keep saying they want their country back are deluded as no one own that land originally. And all the wealth there are the collective efforts of all manner of races. Even the Mexicans will keep flooding the southern border cos for them it was originally part of Mexico. Too many stakeholders for any group to form supremacy. It will always be met with backlash. It’s what it is
interesting
I kinda agree with your viewpoint
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Goke7: 7:55pm On Oct 27, 2024
Gerrard59:
In my opinion, affirmative action just as federal character should be scrapped. No group in the world has prospered or progressed through such policies. Nigeria (Igbos&Hausa/Fulanis) and Malaysia (Malay&Chinese) are good examples. It does more harm than good. Equal opportunities, not equal outcomes. However, if affirmative action must remain in place, only descendants of enslaved African Americans should be the beneficiaries not black Africans wey enter aeroplane WILLINGLY.
The question is how do you differentiate between both groups. These folks don’t have the time for such details because they aren’t interested in the first place in any affirmative action and will never be. They just pretend to be for sake of peace. They will continue to just lump everyone in same category.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by flyinnizam(m): 8:29pm On Oct 27, 2024
zoghys:
You sound dumb, why will POTUS makes such weighty statement without facts. Elon is an illegal immigrant from canada, so gets the facts right before exhibiting your ignorance.
u are even this one without sense.. Biden didn't say he is an illegal migrant from Canada.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by flyinnizam(m): 8:30pm On Oct 27, 2024
BigIyanga:
This convo is above your motor park brain league.. go play under bridge with ur peers
Someone whose grandparents came to Africa as colonizing illegal immigrants… shouldnt be telling us immigration
go warm ur eba for under bridge oshodi
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by zoghys: 8:34pm On Oct 27, 2024
flyinnizam:
u are even this one without sense.. Biden didn't say he is an illegal migrant from Canada.
That's because you are not just dumb but uninformed as well. Read the guy story before commenting
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by CaptainGo: 9:04pm On Oct 27, 2024
Neoteny:
You people say the stupidest things.

Nasa has been buildup rockets since the 1950s, has sent probes to all the planets in the solar system, built Hubble and JWST which have made invaluable contribution to our knowledge of the cosmos, sent men to the moon from the 1960s using technology they had to develop from scratch, landed rovers on Mars, and contributed to the development of new technologies including computer RAM.

What did Musk do? Besides flinging his car into space for no damn reason he's not even left low earth orbit.

As for landing boosters: heck, Amazon is doing it, the Chinese are doing .
undecided

You're talking down on people to seem superior?

Until you achieve a fraction of what Musk has, you have no justification to belittle his achievements.

And for your information

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/10/25/nasa-spacex-crew-8-return-earth/75841523007/
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by flyinnizam(m): 9:07pm On Oct 27, 2024
zoghys:
That's because you are not just dumb but uninformed as well. Read the guy story before commenting
na ur papa buy me phone to tell me what to comment abi
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by sammyonal: 9:10pm On Oct 27, 2024
Pray make e no enter oooo, those guys no want any outsiders into the country.
ObalendeCMS:
Walai, trump no go enter!

So you & musk want to dull my japa plan?

Walai, trump, you no go enter!

I can bet tit.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by IbeOkehie: 9:11pm On Oct 27, 2024
RodgersAkpafu:
So what is this statistics suppose to imply?

Again, what is the (mischievous) point of the stats u posted up there
I've already accepted that we have differing opinions on the HISTORY & EVIDENCE that the world presents to us. That's a normal part of life. I'm not arguing with you anymore.

The table is official stats on murder in the USA. Murder and car theft are two crimes that have credible reporting standards.

The table is there. Any university educated person can make out the figures and the interpretation, taking account of the percentage composition of the population. Who is killing who in the USA? Answered by official stats.

Good Luck to Nigeria.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by zoghys: 9:20pm On Oct 27, 2024
flyinnizam:
na ur papa buy me phone to tell me what to comment abi
my papa cannot raise a fool who can't even google search to save his miserable life.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by BigIyanga: 9:43pm On Oct 27, 2024
Owologbo:
He's against illegal immigrants.
You want USA to be like Nigeria that anyone can just walk into without paper?
Trump is not against immigrant, but illegal ones.
STFU. Go and eat first, then read read read and come bavk.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by BigIyanga: 9:46pm On Oct 27, 2024
flyinnizam:
go warm ur eba for under bridge oshodi
Go go Mile 2 Oke to take 5 shots of agbo +ijebu bitters. Your primary source of info.
Re: "Elon Musk Was An Illegal Worker When He Came To The US" - Joe Biden by Amayabor1: 10:09pm On Oct 27, 2024
flyinnizam:
who approved the work visa? is it not same US organization?
He beat the system to get a work visa illegally. Even Musk acknowledged it years ago

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