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sonmvayina:
Which is??

Show me how ifa has ever exercised any control over the nations the same way I have demonstrated to you on this thread that the God of the Bible is sovereign over the nations and therefore, He is the Creator of the world.

In what way exactly ifa superior to the Bible?

GothamCities:
My challenge to you what not based on what you belong but what you do.

Do christians make human sacrifices of any kind? No! Has any Christian in the history of Christianity ever made any human sacrifice to appease or please the God of the Bible? No. If anyone does, he or she would not remain a Christian.

You do make sacrifices of all kinds including humans, appease witches and worship demons. You carve wood and stone to bow down to, yet you consider yourself a human being?

I am not Yoruba

I just follow the laws of the creator of heaven and earth as contained in the Torah..
It does not include human sacrifice of any kind. It is Christians who worships a man that was executed on a tree which God considers an abomination...

I don't gather anywhere on Sunday to see women shake their bombom..

That is not what worship entails. It is about obedience to his laws and statues..

Nothing more.

GothamCities:
Show me how ifa has ever exercised any control over the nations the same way I have demonstrated to you on this thread that the God of the Bible is sovereign over the nations and therefore, He is the Creator of the world.

In what way exactly ifa superior to the Bible?

God gave ifa to the yorubas people just as how he gave the Torah to the Jewish people...
I only said it was above the bible because it is indigenous to us African. And that is what we would have been talking about if the Europeans did not come to Africa to enslve our ancestors

sonmvayina:
God gave ifa to the yorubas people just as how he gave the Torah to the Jewish people...
I only said it was above the bible because it is indigenous to us African. And that is what we would have been talking about if the Europeans did not come to Africa to enslve our ancestors

Who told you God gave ifa to the Yoruba people? If God gave ifa to the Yoruba people, why did He give something else to the Jews? And something else to almost every ethnic group?

Which Europeans enslave your ancestors, and how did that enslavement concern Christianity?

sonmvayina:
I am not Yoruba

I just follow the laws of the creator of heaven and earth as contained in the Torah..
It does not include human sacrifice of any kind. It is Christians who worships a man that was executed on a tree which God considers an abomination...

I don't gather anywhere on Sunday to see women shake their bombom..

That is not what worship entails. It is about obedience to his laws and statues..

Nothing more.

But you've been making a case for ifa as the word of God that is superior to the Bible. This U turn is interesting.

So, you believe in the Torah? And you did not know that the Scriptures promised a Messiah whose soul would be made an offering for sins? A man who has no human father?

GothamCities:
But you've been making a case for ifa as the word of God that is superior to the Bible. This U turn is interesting.

So, you believe in the Torah? And you did not know that the Scriptures promised a Messiah whose soul would be made an offering for sins? A man who has no human father?

God promised a Messiah from the line of David. What this means is that he would have a father and mother who are both Jewish. He is coming to usher in an era of world peace as Isaiah said " They will hammer their sword into ploughshares....and learn of war no more. That has not happened and we are still waiting. God already gave us the solution to the problem of sin, and it does not involve human sacrifice..see 2nd chronicles 7:14.

GothamCities:
Who told you God gave ifa to the Yoruba people? If God gave ifa to the Yoruba people, why did He give something else to the Jews? And something else to almost every ethnic group?

Which Europeans enslave your ancestors, and how did that enslavement concern Christianity?

Well God gave ifa to the yoruba people.
Just as how he gave every tribe their heritage . No one is above the other. They are all ways to bring us together and for us to live in peace..
The European that came to enslave your ancestors brought Christianity to them and they passed it on to you. And you are going to pass the lie to your children too..if you don't learn the truth and end the madness..

sonmvayina:
God promised a Messiah from the line of David. What this means is that he would have a father and mother who are both Jewish.

Are you talking about what God meant or what God said?

He is coming to usher in an era of world peace as Isaiah said " They will hammer their sword into ploughshares....and learn of war no more.

Yes, that's at the second coming of the Messiah.

That has not happened and we are still waiting. God already gave us the solution to the problem of sin, and it does not involve human sacrifice..see 2nd chronicles 7:14.

Can you tell me the solution God gave you to the problem of sin? Is it the same solution that makes you see YHWH as Marduk and ifa as been superior to the Bible?

GothamCities:
You're really dumb! Too dumb for that matter!

Why Cyrus might think it was Marduk that was helping him, it was actually YHWH. Cyrus didn't know YHWH. 150yrs before Cyrus was born, YHWH already foretold about Cyrus.

Isaiah 45:4

"For the sake of my servant Jacob and Israel my chosen, I call you by your name, giving you a title, though you do not know me."

It is the height of dumbness to think that since YHWH helped Cyrus, and Cyrus worshipped Marduk, hence YHWH is Marduk. Very unintelligent conclusion.

This is a support for your evidence.

1. YHWH HELPED CYRUS.
2. CYRUS WORSHIPPED MARDUK.
3. THEREFORE, YHWH IS MARDUK.
What a conclusion! First, does the meaning of YHWH correlate with Marduk? YHWH means "I EXISTS", "I AM." And Marduk, the chief god of the Babylonian gods whose consort is Sarpanitu. He had a visible representation, I mean there was a statue for him which the One, the living God who called out Abraham from Mesopotamia abhored:

And Joshua said unto all the people, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor: and they served other gods.
Joshua 24 : 2.
And:
[3] Thou shalt have no other gods before me. [4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. [5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 20 : 3-5

And:
Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.
Psalm 16 : 4

Second, for the fact God, YHWH "helped" (Man can't help God. God used him, Cyrus instead to continue His eternal plan for the earth) Cyrus shows His supremacy and unquestionable ways He is dealing with Adam, the race of man_He is the HUSBANDMAN, humans are His branches. Compare Romans 11:21,24. In another vein, He is the Husbandman, we his sheep(Psalm 100:3).

in short, the word "god" is a family name referring to supernatural beings:

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
Psalm 82 : 6-7

Even the prophets of Baal confessed YHWH when they saw the God of the Hebrews in action. They all cried that YHWH is the true God.

And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
1 Kings 18 : 39

So, YHWH exists. He is the God of the Hebrews and ALSO the God of the universe, the God of all flesh. I conclude:

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1 John 1 : 3

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 12 : 49

sonmvayina:
Well God gave ifa to the yoruba people.
Just as how he gave every tribe their heritage . No one is above the other. They are all ways to bring us together and for us to live in peace..
The European that came to enslave your ancestors brought Christianity to them and they passed it on to you. And you are going to pass the lie to your children too..if you don't learn the truth and end the madness..

You're very confused my friend. Very very confused.

So, God gave ifa and idols to every tribe on earth, then, He told the Jews that He hates idols? He even told them not to have anything to do with heathen nations that worshipped those idols. Even called Abraham out of an idol worshipping nation to reveal Himself unto Abraham as the only true God. My dear, you're very, very confused.

Another of your confusion is that you said the whites enslaved your ancestors and gave them Christianity. That's a high level of confusion because the whites who colonized Africa were different from those who spread the gospel.

Among those who colonized Africa were Atheists, Idol worshippers, Cultists, Muslims, Christians who only came to plunder Africa. Those who brought Christianity didn't belong to this group.

Those who brought Christianity included both whites and blacks who were missionaries. They built hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc and never colonized anyone. They were all Christians.

GothamCities:
You're very confused my friend. Very very confused.

So, God gave ifa and idols to every tribe on earth, then, He told the Jews that He hates idols? He even told them not to have anything to do with heathen nations that worshipped those idols. Even called Abraham out of an idol worshipping nation to reveal Himself unto Abraham as the only true God. My dear, you're very, very confused.

Another of your confusion is that you said the whites enslaved your ancestors and gave them Christianity. That's a high level of confusion because the whites who colonized Africa were different from those who spread the gospel.

Among those who colonized Africa were Atheists, Idol worshippers, Cultists, Muslims, Christians who only came to plunder Africa. Those who brought Christianity didn't belong to this group.

Those who brought Christianity included both whites and blacks who were missionaries. They built hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc and never colonized anyone. They were all Christians.

Keep deceiving yourself..

You think if there was really power in the name of Jesus, the slave masters will share it with their slaves ?
So they will use it against them..

If you like don't use your tongue to count your teeth .

Learn history and stop behaving like a toddler..

GothamCities:
Are you talking about what God meant or what God said?


Yes, that's at the second coming of the Messiah.



Can you tell me the solution God gave you to the problem of sin? Is it the same solution that makes you see YHWH as Marduk and ifa as been superior to the Bible?

My friend, there is no second coming arrangements anywhere in the Tanakh.
The Messiah will do those things, that is how they will know he is the Messiah.
The Messiah is not a deity to be worship, he is an ordinary man like you and me...
From the line of David through Solomon his son. The two contradictory genealogy in Mathew and Luke can't produce a Messiah....
The Messiah will come at the end of day to usher in an era of world peace.
Like I told you, there is only one creator of the universe..it is just the name that is different.... because we have so many languages on earth. So they all have the name of God in their languages...
I don't know how else to put it in your head. You have to loose the brainwashing..learn. Unlearn and relearn...

sonmvayina:
My friend, there is no second coming arrangements anywhere in the Tanakh.
The Messiah will do those things, that is how they will know he is the Messiah.

We read in the Bible book of Daniel

And after the 62 weeks, Mes·siʹah will be cut off, with nothing for himself. “And the people of a leader who is coming will destroy the city and the holy place. And its end will be by the flood. And until the end there will be war; what is decided upon is desolations. Daniel 9:26

According to this verse:
*Messiah will be killed just as Jesus of Nazareth was killed.
*The people of a leader (Romans) will come and destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the holy place (Temple) just as the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and it's temple after the Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth.
*All the tribes of Israel will be swept away from the promised land like a flood just as the twelve tribes are lost till today.
*And until the end time Jerusalem will continue to be terrorized by wars here and there just as it's happening today.

So who told you Jesus of Nazareth is not the Messiah (Christ) with all these fulfilment?

sonmvayina:
My friend, there is no second coming arrangements anywhere in the Tanakh.
The Messiah will do those things, that is how they will know he is the Messiah.
The Messiah is not a deity to be worship, he is an ordinary man like you and me...
From the line of David through Solomon his son. The two contradictory genealogy in Mathew and Luke can't produce a Messiah....
The Messiah will come at the end of day to usher in an era of world peace.
Like I told you, there is only one creator of the universe..it is just the name that is different.... because we have so many languages on earth. So they all have the name of God in their languages...
I don't know how else to put it in your head. You have to loose the brainwashing..learn. Unlearn and relearn...

Lol. We don't worship the same God okay. You're still too brainwashed to see that? How else can I break it down for you?

The two genealogies in Mathew and Luke are not contradictory. Mathew focuses on the lineage of Joseph while Luke focuses on the lineage of Mary. Both came from David.

If the Messiah is not a deity, why did David prophesy of him "The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies." Psalm 110:10.

If the Messiah has no second coming, how do you explain Zechariah 12:10? If indeed Israel would accept the Messiah as soon as he appears, then what would make them "look upon Him while they pierced"?

sonmvayina:
Keep deceiving yourself..

You think if there was really power in the name of Jesus, the slave masters will share it with their slaves ?
So they will use it against them..

If you like don't use your tongue to count your teeth .

Learn history and stop behaving like a toddler..

Is this how ignorant you are? Who exactly are the slave masters you're taking about? You mean the slave traders who didn't even know Jesus?

It's not a matter of if there's power in the name of Jesus. The matter has gone beyond they because people like us have tasted the power and are still tasting. One thing is that the witches whom you fear and your succubus wife whom you dread, all bow before the name of Jesus. If you don't believe, I can demonstrate it for you lives. The power of Jesus is best demonstrated. There are demonstrations of Christ's power everywhere. Demons keep telling you it is a lie. You won't go on a deliberate research yourself to rid yourself of ignorance? Your ignorance is very costly. You're a slave of demons and you don't even know.

GothamCities:
Lol. We don't worship the same God okay. You're still too brainwashed to see that? How else can I break it down for you?

The two genealogies in Mathew and Luke are not contradictory. Mathew focuses on the lineage of Joseph while Luke focuses on the lineage of Mary. Both came from David.

If the Messiah is not a deity, why did David prophesy of him "The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies." Psalm 110:10.

If the Messiah has no second coming, how do you explain Zechariah 12:10? If indeed Israel would accept the Messiah as soon as he appears, then what would make them "look upon Him while they pierced"?

Psalms are not prophecies. They are meant to be recited during services.
The Psalm you quoted was written by David and given to the choir master..
So from the choir master point of view when he is reading it ...it means The Lord (Lord most high) said to my master (King David )......
Do you understand now..

Read zachariah from the beginning you will get the real gist...not take text out of context..

sonmvayina:
Psalms are not prophecies. They are meant to be recited during services.
The Psalm you quoted was written by David and given to the choir master..
So from the choir master point of view when he is reading it ...it means The Lord (Lord most high) said to my master (King David )......
Do you understand now..

Read zachariah from the beginning you will get the real gist...not take text out of context..

Lol. Who says Psalms are prophecies?

Your illustration further proves you're not really balanced with the knowledge of scripture. Right from your talk about ifa and marduck, up to the ancestors were enslaved nonesense, I already knew that you're not to be taken serious.

According to you, the choir master received a song from David and started singing it as his own song, and therefore must say "The Lord said to my master king David". Was he a reporter? If that's how it is, the Psalm immediately becomes the Psalm of the choir master, and no longer a Psalm of David. Nobody receives a song from a writer and then renders it as a reported speech. And also, why should this particular verse be different from all other verses in the book of Psalm where David's speeches were given directly and not reported? See? That's because you want to deny the truth of that particular verse and remove the message it bears. The Messiah isn't a mere man. The choirmaster didn't report David's speech as song. He wrote exactly the song David sent to him word for word. Don't lie to yourself if you love your soul. The Messiah isn't completely human.

There's nothing in the Book of Zechariah that I've not read. I have read that book more than 100 times. You don't need to tell me to go read from the beginning. Just tell me why the Israelites will look on Him whom they pierced.

GothamCities:
Submitting to God's Sovereignty

Humans must submit to God's sovereignty because:

He created us (Genesis 1:27)
He sustains us (Acts 17:28)
He knows all (Psalm 139:1-4)
He is all-powerful (Job 42:2)

Submitting to God's sovereignty:

Brings purpose and meaning to life (Jeremiah 29:11)

Provides strength in times of uncertainty (Isaiah 41:10)

Guarantees eternal hope (John 3:16)

Fosters humility and dependence on Him (Proverbs 3:5-6)

By surrendering to God's sovereignty, we:

Recognize His authority
Trust His goodness
Obey His will
Find peace and rest

"As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways." - Isaiah 55:9

Thanks brother.

Antichristian will not see this.
Dome of the Rock will still go the same way of these nations.
We see Gaza in ruins as prophesied.

MightySparrow:
Thanks brother.

Antichristian will not see this.
Dome of the Rock will still go the same way of these nations.
We see Gaza in ruins as prophesied.

You're welcome brother.

Would Satan let the people see? But by the grace of God , the captives of the night shall be delivered. They'll read but Satan will never allow them see. May God have mercy on the people.

Even after reading all these. Someone was still saying YHWH is Marduk, and that ifa is superior to the Bible. Spiritual blindness is real. Ifa that does not have authority over anybody. It honours witches and demons which are under our feet as believers.

Yeah, Dome of the Rock will be pulled down. It's time is ticking fast. The pulling down of that mosque will mark the end of the era that the Bible refers to as "the time of the gentiles." Then, the next events would be the rebuilding of the third temple, the emergence of the antichrist, the war of Armageddon and the close of the age.

GothamCities:
You're welcome brother.

Would Satan let the people see? But by the grace of God , the captives of the night shall be delivered. They'll read but Satan will never allow them see. May God have mercy on the people.

Even after reading all these. Someone was still saying YHWH is Marduk, and that ifa is superior to the Bible. Spiritual blindness is real. Ifa that does not have authority over anybody. It honours witches and demons which are under our feet as believers.

Yeah, Dome of the Rock will be pulled down. It's time is ticking fast. The pulling down of that mosque will mark the end of the era that the Bible refers to as "the time of the gentiles." Then, the next events would be the rebuilding of the third temple, the emergence of the antichrist, the war of Armageddon and the close of the age.

Shalom

GothamCities:
Thanks very much. You nailed it!

I've not seen anyone so ignorant like sonmvayina, yet he thinks he knows more than everyone.

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 17 : 6....THE NAME....YHWH

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
John 17 : 26....THE NAME....YHWH

Captain4Jehovah:
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 17 : 6....THE NAME....YHWH

And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
John 17 : 26....THE NAME....YHWH

Thanks again for this.

Sonmavyina says Jesus was a Roman invention. According to him, He never existed.

GothamCities:
Lol. Who says Psalms are prophecies?

Your illustration further proves you're not really balanced with the knowledge of scripture. Right from your talk about ifa and marduck, up to the ancestors were enslaved nonesense, I already knew that you're not to be taken serious.

According to you, the choir master received a song from David and started singing it as his own song, and therefore must say "The Lord said to my master king David". Was he a reporter? If that's how it is, the Psalm immediately becomes the Psalm of the choir master, and no longer a Psalm of David. Nobody receives a song from a writer and then renders it as a reported speech. And also, why should this particular verse be different from all other verses in the book of Psalm where David's speeches were given directly and not reported? See? That's because you want to deny the truth of that particular verse and remove the message it bears. The Messiah isn't a mere man. The choirmaster didn't report David's speech as song. He wrote exactly the song David sent to him word for word. Don't lie to yourself if you love your soul. The Messiah isn't completely human.

There's nothing in the Book of Zechariah that I've not read. I have read that book more than 100 times. You don't need to tell me to go read from the beginning. Just tell me why the Israelites will look on Him whom they pierced.

It is not a messianic prophesy..

Psalms are meant to be sung during worship..
What about the rest of the Psalm 110, who is it talking about?
You just don't want to learn because the brain washing is really strong...it is very very strong...

sonmvayina:
It is not a messianic prophesy..

Psalms are meant to be sung during worship..
What about the rest of the Psalm 110, who is it talking about?
You just don't want to learn because the brain washing is really strong...it is very very strong...

There's no Jew who doesn't know that David was referring to his Son, the Messiah in that verse. It's not a prophecy. It's a declaration.

You're the one who is both confused and brainwashed, my friend. In fact, I'll have to teach you a lot if you're open minded. Your ignorance is too thick. What do you want to tell me?

sonmvayina:
It is not a messianic prophesy.

Even the Jews believe that all utterances made by ancient servants of God are prophetic that's why they refer to the tanakh as the prophets!

sonmvayina:
What do yorubas call the creator of the universe? Either Olodumare or Eledumare....which is same being as YHWH in Judaism..

Why do people always fall for the Jewish propaganda? And hold their myth every other myth...I don't get it...
The yoruba ifa is 1000 times more superior than the Jewish propaganda...

Explain to me...

I have someone like you in my place of work who argues points out of context, uses sweeping statements in arguments. In fact, he is a talkative. What I do is to listen attentively to every of his words. He believes so much in ISESE. Do you know what, he was once a Christian in fact he was born in CAC.

Why all these? One needs to arrive at a conclusion in an argument with a proper definition of a statement whether it is false or true. Two, it is a good thing to fight for one heritage or cherish one culture and religion but you jumped from the name of God to Ifa. Is Ifa a god? If so, is he superior to Olodumare?

Olodumare is the creator and source of all things in YORUBA PANTHEON. Ifa, according to the pantheon is a god of divination who is a word of Olodumare and a channel to him. In other words, he(being a god) is an oracle of Olodumare through hidden things can be known and understood.

Having clarified that, the meaning of "Olodumare", "the creator" is not the same as YHWH(I EXIST, I AM). A professor even presumes it means "splendor, majesty-light and glory which God wears as king." This clearly explains his charisma personality(grace and favour) as king rather than who he is in ESSENCE personality as ETERNAL BEING. He also suggests Olodumare is a name that should be used for YHWH instead of OLUWA.

Judaism does not teach or uphold pantheology but rather a believe on one god:Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:Deuteronomy 6 : 4 unlike Yoruba pantheology.

All tongues and tribes of the earth ascribe God(from Germanic root) with various names but the ONLY PERSONAL NAME of the Creator of the heaven and the earth is YHWH. Consider Acts 17

[22] Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

[23] For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

[25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

[26] And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

[27] That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

[28] For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

[29] Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Acts 17 : 22-29

So, OLODUMARE IS NOT YHWH IN LITERAL MEANING. Also, IFA IS NOT SUPERIOR TO YHWH because if you claim Ifa is superior to the Jewish propaganda, then he is superior to OLODUMARE which makes your argument invalid because according to Yoruba belief he receives from OLODUMARE

MightySparrow:
Thanks brother.

Antichristian will not see this.
Dome of the Rock will still go the same way of these nations.
We see Gaza in ruins as prophesied.

What should i see in nothing?

GothamCities:
You're welcome brother.

Would Satan let the people see? But by the grace of God , the captives of the night shall be delivered. They'll read but Satan will never allow them see. May God have mercy on the people.

I think you are the one prevented from sight by Satan!

Even after reading all these. Someone was still saying YHWH is Marduk, and that ifa is superior to the Bible. Spiritual blindness is real. Ifa that does not have authority over anybody. It honours witches and demons which are under our feet as believers.

Yeah, Dome of the Rock will be pulled down. It's time is ticking fast. The pulling down of that mosque will mark the end of the era that the Bible refers to as "the time of the gentiles." Then, the next events would be the rebuilding of the third temple, the emergence of the antichrist, the war of Armageddon and the close of the age.

That's how you guys were Prophesying when Corona started! All these will pass and you'll start another anthem! Na little time remain!

AntiChristian:
I think you are the one prevented from sight by Satan!

Because I didn't believe in a prophet who married a 4 yr old girl, had no endorsement from God, contradicted all scripture, murdered those who rejected his prophethood, ribbed caravans, snatched the wife of his stepson and had no single witness of his fake jibreel. A man was a terrorist and whose followers are the terrorists of this world.

There's nothing godly about Mohammed to made anyone believe his words. It can only be blindness.

That's how you guys were Prophesying when Corona started! All these will pass and you'll start another anthem! Na little time remain!

Which guys prophesied? Are they Gods? Who told you that everyone who prophesies was sent by God?

The miracle of the Corona virus is that many Christians continued to gather in large numbers, for example, Winners Chapel, yet no outbreak was recorded among the people.

You're following a dead man who had no assurance of salvation.

Captain4Jehovah:
I have someone like you in my place of work who argues points out of context, uses sweeping statements in arguments. In fact, he is a talkative. What I do is to listen attentively to every of his words. He believes so much in ISESE. Do you know what, he was once a Christian in fact he was born in CAC.

Why all these? One needs to arrive at a conclusion in an argument with a proper definition of a statement whether it is false or true. Two, it is a good thing to fight for one heritage or cherish one culture and religion but you jumped from the name of God to Ifa. Is Ifa a god? If so, is he superior to Olodumare?

Olodumare is the creator and source of all things in YORUBA PANTHEON. Ifa, according to the pantheon is a god of divination who is a word of Olodumare and a channel to him. In other words, he(being a god) is an oracle of Olodumare through hidden things can be known and understood.

Having clarified that, the meaning of "Olodumare", "the creator" is not the same as YHWH(I EXIST, I AM). A professor even presumes it means "splendor, majesty-light and glory which God wears as king." This clearly explains his charisma personality(grace and favour) as king rather than who he is in ESSENCE personality as ETERNAL BEING. He also suggests Olodumare is a name that should be used for YHWH instead of OLUWA.

Judaism does not teach or uphold pantheology but rather a believe on one god:Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:Deuteronomy 6 : 4 unlike Yoruba pantheology.

All tongues and tribes of the earth ascribe God(from Germanic root) with various names but the ONLY PERSONAL NAME of the Creator of the heaven and the earth is YHWH. Consider Acts 17

[22] Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.

[23] For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.

[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

[25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

[26] And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

[27] That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

[28] For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

[29] Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Acts 17 : 22-29

So, OLODUMARE IS NOT YHWH IN LITERAL MEANING. Also, IFA IS NOT SUPERIOR TO YHWH because if you claim Ifa is superior to the Jewish propaganda, then he is superior to OLODUMARE which makes your argument invalid because according to Yoruba belief he receives from OLODUMARE

The YouTube have a name for The creator of heaven and earth...whether Oluwa, Olodumare, or Eledumare. They reverence the creator of the universe...
Contrary to popular belief, the African traditional religion is not Polytheistic in nature..They believe in only one Creator and God. What you think they call God is what they refer to as ORISHA, which represents the laws and principles of life. The Tanakh calls them the "sons of God" of which Satan is one of them who happens to be the ORISHA of the wind. He is Enlil in Babylonian mythology and his consort called Ninlil. I think his equivalent in yoruba mythology will be Ayao and osain. I might be wrong. I need clarification from yoruba people..
They are part of the universe. They are part of God's creation..
They do nothing outside of what God has created them to do.

The Jews also recognizes the Orishas and also their position in the scheme of things. See the book of job.
They are not God. Only Olodumare is God.
As for ifa, which is the word of God same as the Tanakh of the Jews. They are both the oracle of God. Since God is not a man or a human being, the only way to communicate with God is through an oracle(ifa). If you are conversant with Nollywood movies, when the chief priest want to deliver his message to the king, it is usually through parables. It is those parables the Jews built into stories. They all contain spiritual truth as messages in the story. They are not historical stories, but spiritual stories. Little wonder Paul said " The letter killeth"..

If you still don't understand...let me know.

MaxInDHouse:
Even the Jews believe that all utterances made by ancient servants of God are prophetic that's why they refer to the tanakh as the prophets!

No boy..only part of the Tanakh is prophetic.
A prophet is not somebody that predicts the future. He/she is somebody that tells the truth and leads people to God by advising them to keep the Torah...

GothamCities:
Are you talking about what God meant or what God said?


Yes, that's at the second coming of the Messiah.



Can you tell me the solution God gave you to the problem of sin? Is it the same solution that makes you see YHWH as Marduk and ifa as been superior to the Bible?

Why only Jesus gets a second do over.
Why not all the other men who claimed to be the Messiah in the 1st century CE. If Jesus gets a second coming pass, they too should still get a second coming arrangement.
You see the reason why the Messiah has to do those things the first time?