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Image123:
Let's take it one at a time. Foreign reserves are now over $40 billion. Highest level in maybe 10 years. Is this anything or nothing. It's better it's on $28 billion?

Of course they're not at same value 10 years ago. How about Nigeria depreciating from richest first to 4th in Africa. If things are going the right way, why did the president reshuffle/sack his ministers?

Is anyone stopping IPOB goats from contesting?
It is our right to vote for whoever we want, I personally will never vote for an IPOB criminal.

Owontime:
Is anyone stopping IPOB goats from contesting?
It is our right to vote for whoever we want, I personally will never vote for an IPOB criminal.

You are being unfair to goats likening then to IPOB.

These Obidients think bullying and harassing Nigeriand will make us kowtow to them.

If they don't change and reach out, opposition for ever and ever will certainly be their portion.

Tetrahedron:
I have maintained that Nzeogwu did the right thing in 1966 but maybe not executed with good precision enough, those that destroyed Nigeria were those that benefited from Nzeogwu’s coup.
People like:
Gowon
TY Danjuma
Northern Mafia etc
Why was Ironsi killed?? What benefits has the Mafia that took over Nigeria since then done for the country

Without prejudice to the fact that the January 1966 coup was a brainchild of Ifeajuna and not Nzeogwu as mistakenly assumed, I would opine that the coup was very wrong in principle. Military intervention in democracy has never progressed any country and Nigeria couldn't have ever been the miraculous exception. The January coup was inspired in those boys by mere and unverified accusations of massive corruption being bandied around against the politicians of the day back then. Investigations after the coup showed that a politician like Ahmadu Bello was servicing a personal loan he took from a bank for his upkeep when he could have, as a regional premier, helped himself from public funds of his office. If anything, the military era that followed ended up institutionalizing corruption and sustaining it till today. We would have been far better off today if the January 1966 coup never happened. The true federalism and resource control we want today was exactly what we started with but was destroyed by the military. Lastly, it is not a coincidence that the countries which top the list of world powers both in economic prosperity and military power have never had their democracy punctuated by military intervention. E.g. USA, Germany, Japan, UK, China, Italy, Canada, and even Russia.

jmoore:
Take a look at these clowns. They can't even understand what Obasanjo is talking.

Boko Haram wants their own government, but you still went on to vote for Buhari who is from same region with Boko Haram.

Una dey always open mouth waaa to spill babablu.

Hypocritical creatures.

Please what does OBJ have to say after allowing himself to be used in 1998 by IBB and Northern Oligarchs to displace Alex Ekweme from the PDP ticket which was sure to produce the president for this new democracy? What does OBJ have to say after promising to hand over to Igbo at the end of his tenure but later ended up describing the promise as a gentleman's agreement and picked Yaradua as his successor and as if that was not enough, he still refused to pick an Igbo man as Yaradua's running mate (despite the bloc votes you Igbos gave him both in 1999 and 2003 elections) so that it would have been an Igbo man rising to become president on Yaradua's death rather than Jonathan a Niger Deltan? Some of you Igbos find it difficult to recognize your actual enemies. Obasanjo remains the only president who enjoyed massive Igbo support and therefore owes the Igbo nation more than anyone else, but he is here pontificating on Igbo interest hypocritically and you are falling for it.

Lanruze:
Ignore the rants of the IPOBs and ESN, 2027 will be the turn of the Igbos to assume Presidency.

The Igbos have been pushed out of the scheme of things for a very long time i.e 58 years ago (since 1966 when Agunyi Ironsi was the Head of State for just six months).

President Olusegun Obasanjo has been the most courageous and bold statesman that has highligted this nationalistic fact.

The south has a Presidency of 8 years and can be split between the SE/ SW.

Obasanjo would be judged for being an Yoruba Man, however it will be in the best interest of Democracy.

If he is as courageous as you believe, then how come he couldn't use that courage to fulfill his promise to hand over to an Igbo man at the end of his tenure in 2007? Is courageousness measured in words or action?

IT IS UNDEMOCRATIC TO RIG ELECTION IN FAVOR OR AGAINST ANY ONE.
ADOPT FAPRES TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL STATES AND CTC TRFG, THEN A NATURAL PRESIDENT WILL EMERGE FROM ANY STATE THAT WILL SOOTH THE ASPIRATIONS OF ALL NIGERIANS.

pafra:
You are a small boy in Nigeria politics. When elders speaks listen.
Obasanjo know more about the political conspiracy that have been on ground, he is saying it the way it is for conscience sake, he knows his time is fast approaching and have to reconcile with God. He is part of the conspiracy no doubt

Obasanjo had all the power and opportunity in the world to act the 'truth' you claim he is saying now, but he couldn't. He is a member of the cabal as you rightly said, but he could not pick an Igbo man to succeed him and still could not pick an Igbo man as running mate to the Yaradua he picked in denial of Igbos the presidency. In 1999 when Alex Ekweme was obviously going to emerge the PDP flagbearer, the same Obasanjo allowed himself to be used by the Northern section of the cabal to push Alex Ekweme away from the ticket. Has he apologized for all these his anti-Igbo presidency actions before speaking this 'truth' about the denial of Igbos presidency?

Brendaniel:
And haven't we been proven right that APC is a party worst than PDP?

Haven't we been proven right that all the candidates APC brought into power were bad Nigeria?

Look we Igbos are not desperate for power like you guys, we will rather lose doing the right thing than win doing the wrong thing all because of political power, even if we are given the opportunity to vote again today we will still vote in the same pattern and we are not regretting any of our action because we did the right thing and we have been proven right over and over from Buhari to Tinubu...

A people who voted en bloc for a barely educated Alhaji Bashir Tofa against MKO a First Class Accountancy graduate of the University of Glasgow, and also, at independence, preferred an alliance that would place power in the hands of people from the most educationally backward part of the country while rejecting the offer for an alliance which would have had their own highly educated Azikiwe at the helms of power are now beating their chests about making the right choices in election.
These people never cease to amuse me. So the Obasanjo you all gave bloc votes in 1999 without any known manifesto was better than the Olu Falae who brandished a manifesto that had the potential to turn Nigeria to an industrialized nation within 15 years? The Yaradua you voted for in 2007 was better than your own Ojukwu who in addition to being a graduate of the prestigious Oxford University, presented the best manifesto since the return of this democracy? You people should just restrict yourself to comedy section please.

And what has Tinubu done with the winning? You want someone to pet you to save yourself and your people from Tpain?

omowolewa:
It's all about understanding politics

I can't wait for Okonjo to declare her interest

To those quoting me, I expected it.

But until we all try reshape our Party Selection processes to bring out the best for general election, we would have no choice than to be choosing the best among the bad


Look at it now, you abuse the he'll out of me o small issue and expect me to support you in the future

MKO won 10years before election
Obj won 10year before election
Tinubu won 10year before election

Presisent between Obj and Tinubu relied on the strength and popularity of the two to win. Now tell me charisma is nit key.

Deadlytruth:
A people who voted en bloc for a barely educated Alhaji Bashir Tofa against MKO an First Class Accountancy graduate of the University of Glasgow, and also, at independence, preferred an alliance that would place power in the hands of people from the most educationally backward part of the country while rejecting the offer for an alliance which would have had their own highly educated Azikiwe at the helms of power are now beating their chests about making the right choices in election.
These people never cease to amuse me. So the Obasanjo you all gave bloc votes in 1999 without any known manifesto was better than the Olu Falae who brandished a manifesto that had the potential to turn Nigeria to an industrialized nation within 15 years? The Yaradua you votes for in 2007 was better than your own Ojukwu who in addition to being a graduate of the prestigious Oxford University, presented the best manifesto since the return of this democracy? You people should just restrict yourself to comedy section please.

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The entire Nigerian establishment upto the Supreme Court rigged Obi out of an election he won in 2023!

Tinubu never won and should have been disqualified.

Nigeria had it coming alright

helinues:
Nobody is denying the Igbo's the presidency, they are not just playing their politics right

Build bridges, Dem say cement finish, okay now, let's see how they would get to the other side with ladder

Nigerians keeps preaching playing the same politics that has brought Nigeria to her knees.

Why do you guys keep enohasizing on say political strategy that has not benefitted the country?

To build bridge in Nigeria politics is to pander to the corrupt politicians in every region and possibly give them commitment that you'll allow their corruption to continue.

Buhari had to give that commitment after failing 3 times just to be president and thats why he couldn't fight corruption.

Nigerian citizens, wake up!

Chekwume16:
Obasanjo is playing to the gallery. No one is denying igbo presidency. Last election was a clear example. A lot of us voted for obi not because he is an igbo like me but because we believed in him. Southerners were even the ones that betrayed him. Especially People like Wike. Secondly igbos need to know how to play politics. They are too hostile towards other regions. They don't believe in building bridges. Their arrogance will always deprive them of that exalted position.

Is it not better to allow people you hate to go? Why do you wanna cohabit with your enemies?

Cyberterror:
Igbos are still brutally fighting for secession by killing soldiers and police officers and obeying sit-at-home by Ipob secessionists that they are funding too. They cannot be trusted with presidential power as they can instigate another horrific civil war to break away.

Brendaniel:
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What is the correlation between these images and the fact that you lots voted massively for Shagari, Balewa and Tofa who were almost uneducated and didn't provide any manifesto? How does it prove that Obasanjo was a better candidate than Olu Falae and Ojukwu?

DMerciful:
Nigerians keeps preaching playing the same politics that has brought Nigeria to her knees.

Why do you guys keep enohasizing on say political strategy that has not benefitted the country?

To build bridge in Nigeria politics is to pander to the corrupt politicians in every region and possibly give them commitment that you'll allow their corruption to continue.

Buhari had to give that commitment after failing 3 times just to be president and thats why he couldn't fight corruption.

Nigerian citizens, wake up!

You have forgotten that you folks introduced into Nigeria the culture of playing political strategy which does not benefit the country. What benefit were your people hoping that Nigeria would benefit when at independence you choose the NPC-NCNC coalition which was going to give power to the most educationally backward part of the country to pioneer a new democracy?
What benefit were you sincerely convinced would accrue to Nigeria by chosing to go into alliance with Shagari again through Alex Ekweme despite knowing fully well how Nigeria had previously failed under a similar arrangement at independence?

Deadlytruth:
What is the correlation between these images and the fact that you lots voted massively for Shagari, Balewa and Tofa who were almost uneducated and didn't provide any manifesto? How does it prove that Obasanjo was a better candidate than Olu Falae and Ojukwu?

All of them you mentioned have been proven to be better than Tinubu you people voted....

Deadlytruth:
You have forgotten that you folks introduced into Nigeria the culture of playing political strategy which does not benefit the country. What benefit were your people hoping that Nigeria would benefit when at independence you choose the NPC-NCNC coalition which was going to give power to the most educationally backward part of the country to pioneer a new democracy?
What benefit were you sincerely convinced would accrue to Nigeria by chosing to go into alliance with Shagari again through Alex Ekweme despite knowing fully well how Nigeria had previously failed under a similar arrangement at independence?

Very impressive sir. Can you imagine a whole Zik of Africa reduced to being a sitting duck ceremonial president with less powers than a local government councillor?

And then they kept voting PDP despite those ones clearly running the economy into the ground and not once presenting one of their own as Presidential candidate.

Brendaniel:
All of them you mentioned have been proven to be better than Tinubu you people voted....

Funny! I specifically mentioned how you lots voted for Tofa, Balewa and Shagari in preference over Abiola, your own Zik and Ojukwu, and you are here trying to divert attention to Tinubu, Obasanjo, Jonathan and Yaradua who were all products of imposition directly or indirectly. Why not just stick to the question of what convinced you that Tofa was better than Abiola, Shagari was better than Zik or Awolowo, Obasanjo was better than Falae, and that Balewa was better than your own Zik in heading the coalition government at independence?
How come you lots are so good at chosing candidates yet your SE region remains so badly ungoverned till today by virtue of throwing up the likes of Mr. Kerosene in Abia State, Theodore Orji, Peter Obi who invested public funds in a moribund private company?

aswani:
Very impressive sir. Can you imagine a whole Zik of Africa reduced to being a sitting duck ceremonial president with less powers than a local government councillor?

And then they kept voting PDP despite those ones clearly running the economy into the ground and not once presenting one of their own as Presidential candidate.

Don't mind them. They find it easy to pontificate without looking back at how they made the wrong choice from the very beginning of Nigeria hence ruining the foundation of the country.

Deadlytruth:
Funny! I specifically mentioned how you lots voted for Tofa, Balewa and Shagari in preference over Abiola, your own Zik and Ojukwu, and you are here trying to divert attention to Tinubu, Obasanjo, Jonathan and Yaradua who were all products of imposition directly or indirectly. Why not just stick to the question of what convinced you that Tofa was better than Abiola, Shagari was better than Zik or Awolowo, Obasanjo was better than Falae, and that Balewa was better than your own Zik in heading the coalition government at independence?
How come you lots are so good at chosing candidates yet your SE region remains so badly ungoverned till today by virtue of throwing up the likes of Mr. Kerosene in Abia State, Theodore Orji, Peter Obi who invested public funds in a moribund private company?

And They have all proven to be better than Tinubu you people voted...

Brendaniel:
And They have all proven to be better than Tinubu you people voted...

They might have voted for Buhari and Tinubu to prove to you that you don't have the monopoly of making wrong choices in the name of political strategy as you did at independence and repeated in 1979 by voting for Shagari, and again in 1993 by voting for Tofa, and yet again in 1999 by voting for Obasanjo over Falae. See how it is now paining you so much?

Deadlytruth:
They might have voted for Buhari and Tinubu to prove to you that you don't have the monopoly of making wrong choices in the name of political strategy as you did at independence and repeated in 1979 by voting for Shagari, and again in 1993 by voting for Tofa, and yet again in 1999 by voting for Obasanjo over Falae. See how it is now paining you so much?

Wrong choices?

Brendaniel:
Wrong choices?

Without prejudice to the fact that Tinubu made it clear that the implementation of his campaign promises would cause temporary microelectronic discomfort at first but ease out later into prosperity,
the guy here is far better than you lots because he could be adjudged to have supported Tinubu when he innocently assumed he would meet up with his expectation hence he made a choice he innocently thought was right and now he is honest (though an ill informed honesty) to acknowledge he made a wrong choice. But per you lots who already knew and with your own mouths adjudged Peter Obi to be a failure many years before 2023, all of a sudden queued up behind him tagging him the long awaited messiah. Nothing could be a better example of a deliberate wrong choice. Look at the thread here where you yourselves called Obi a monumental failure before 2023: Happy reading.
https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

Deadlytruth:
Without prejudice to the fact that Tinubu made it clear that the implementation of his campaign promises would cause temporary microelectronic discomfort at first but ease out later into prosperity,
the guy here is far better than you lots because he could be adjudged to have supported Tinubu when he innocently assumed he would meet up with his expectation hence he made a choice he innocently thought was right and now he is honest (though an ill informed honesty) to acknowledge he made a wrong choice. But per you lots who already knew and with your own mouths adjudged Peter Obi to be a failure many years before 2023, all of a sudden queued up behind him tagging him the long awaited messiah. Nothing could be a better example of a deliberate wrong choice. Look at the thread here where you yourselves called Obi a monumental failure before 2023: Happy reading.
https://www.nairaland.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

That is a state Anambra and is not the entire nation, secondly based on our past records of voting presidents into power, have you seen us complain after electing any president into office like your people are doing now?

And you are here talking about wrong choices...

Brendaniel:
That is a state Anambra and is not the entire nation, secondly based on our past records of voting presidents into power, have you seen us complain after electing any president into office like your people are doing now?

And you are here talking about wrong choices...

After joining the North to elect Balewa, didn't you people later turn around to complain of his misgovernance so much as to stage a bloody coup to remove him illegally? By that alone, you and your people were the first in the history of Nigeria to later complain of the very choice you made.
Others complain but not to the point of taking up arms to kill those they voted into power and even kill innocent persons alongside.

Deadlytruth:
After joining the North to elect Balewa, didn't you people later turn around to complain of his misgovernance so much as to stage a bloody coup to remove him illegally? By that alone, you and your people were the first in the history of Nigeria to later complain of the very choice you made.
Others complain but not to the point of taking up arms to kill those they voted into power and even kill innocent persons alongside.

Are you saying we were the ones who also elected Akintola and the Sarduana?

Because last time I checked it was a regional government with each region having his regional head and prime minister who wasn't as power as a president today...

So how could have 1 single person as a prime minister be blamed for the entire bad governance in the country then when he had limited powers and control?

Unlike a president today like Tinubu...

I'm not surprised though, you guys love to blame the Igbos at any slight opportunity...

Were you born by then? You want to continue the cycle of failure forever?

You want this generation to follow the precedence of failed generations?

Deadlytruth:
You have forgotten that you folks introduced into Nigeria the culture of playing political strategy which does not benefit the country. What benefit were your people hoping that Nigeria would benefit when at independence you choose the NPC-NCNC coalition which was going to give power to the most educationally backward part of the country to pioneer a new democracy?
What benefit were you sincerely convinced would accrue to Nigeria by chosing to go into alliance with Shagari again through Alex Ekweme despite knowing fully well how Nigeria had previously failed under a similar arrangement at independence?

Brendaniel:
Are you saying we were the ones who also elected Akintola and the Sarduana?

Because last time I checked it was a regional government with each region having his regional head and prime minister who wasn't as power as a president today...

So how could have 1 single person as a prime minister be blamed for the entire bad governance in the country then when he had limited powers and control?

Unlike a president today like Tinubu...

I'm not surprised though, you guys love to blame the Igbos at any slight opportunity...

Akintola and Sardauna were regional rulers and the argument in this thread is about how Nigeria was destroyed at the national level (not regional level) by the making of wrong choices at the national elections. So this Akintola and Sardauna angle you are trying to introduce is diversionary.

DMerciful:
Were you born by then? You want to continue the cycle of failure forever?

You want this generation to follow the precedence of failed generations?

You have not answered the question. Whether anyone wants to continue with the cycle of failure or not is not the issue here. If you want to discuss about that then you can open a separate thread for that. But the issue under contention here is about who started the cycle of failure by way of deliberately making wrong choices in the name of strategy and yet hypocritically now trying to put the blame on others?

Deadlytruth:
Akintola and Sardauna were regional rulers and the argument in this thread is about how Nigeria was destroyed at the national level (not regional level) by the making of wrong choices at the national elections. So this Akintola and Sardauna angle you are trying to introduce is diversionary.

So are you saying it was Balewa that single handedly destroyed Nigeria to what it is today?

Brendaniel:
So are you saying it was Balewa that single handedly destroyed Nigeria to what it is today?

Yes and emphatically so. If he had restrained himself from unlawfully intervening in the Western Region's purely internal crisis, the whole thing would have run its natural course and Akintola would have been successfully impeached in line with the wish of an overwhelming majority of Western Region people hence there would have been peace and the issue of Awolowo seeking self help against Balewa-Zik Coalition Government wouldn't have ever been, Awolowo wouldn't have been imprisoned hence the January 15 1966 coup wouldn't have even been plotted and Ironsi wouldn't have ever risen to power let alone cause the constitutional crisis which sparked off a war that led to the Nigerian tragedy we all regret today. So those who helped Balewa clinch power in the name of political strategy should be blamed for the failure of Nigeria.