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Dr Abel Damina has recently been teaching on several subjects with grave errors that shouldn't be overlooked. Doctrinal errors are dangerous. It can cause some weak Christians to lose their salvation. Apostle Paul wrote:

1st Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

The recent teaching on hell by Dr Abel is very disturbing. He said that their are no scripture to prove that torment in hell will be forever. He even said that the story of the Rich man and Lazarus can also be taken for a Parable.

Let me address the first submission.

Yes, hell is indeed not forever. But the torment doesn't stop. Rather, it continues in a bigger fire known as the Lake of fire.

Hell is like a cell were lost souls are detained awaiting trial. The souls in hell will be released for final judgment on Judgment day after which they will be thrown into the Lake of fire:

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM: and they were judged every man according to their works. note

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

How does the scripture describe the torment in the Lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER and EVER.

The passage above is very clear. It will be forever.

Even the teaching of our Lord Jesus said the same thing. He called it a fire that shall not quenched:

Mark 10:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

He also called it everlasting fire:

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So, please ministers around him should warn him before God's wrath decends on him.

Like and share this post until it gets to him.

Many more rebuttals are coming. The church of Christ must be protected from false teachings.

That guy and his gra gra.

CodeTemplarr:
That guy and his gra gra.

This is more than gra gra. He has departed from the faith.

Another false teaching of Dr Abel is that God never asked Noah to build an ark. Can he be real? If he was of the world, I would have said that he must have smoked weed.

And I am shocked he is a key speaker in a recently held Ministers conference.

Ken4Christ:
Dr Abel Damina has recently been teaching on several subjects with grave errors that shouldn't be overlooked. Doctrinal errors are dangerous. It can cause some weak Christians to lose their salvation. Apostle Paul wrote:

1st Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

The recent teaching on hell by Dr Abel is very disturbing. He said that their are no scripture to prove that torment in hell will be forever. He even said that the story of the Rich man and Lazarus can also be taken for a Parable.

Let me address the first submission.

Yes, hell is indeed not forever. But the torment doesn't stop. Rather, it continues in a bigger fire known as the Lake of fire.

Hell is like a cell were lost souls are detained awaiting trial. The souls in hell will be released for final judgment on Judgment day after which they will be thrown into the Lake of fire:

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM: and they were judged every man according to their works. note

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

How does the scripture describe the torment in the Lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER and EVER.

The passage above is very clear. It will be forever.

Even the teaching of our Lord Jesus said the same thing. He called it a fire that shall not quenched:

Mark 10:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

He also called it everlasting fire:

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So, please ministers around him should warn him before God's wrath decends on him.

Like and share this post until it gets to him.

Many more rebuttals are coming. The church of Christ must be protected from false teachings.

Abel Damina may have not understood this.

Look at the scriptures you quoted very well, there is nothing like fire burning people.

Death is Death period.
In your literal understanding of this scripture,
whether you call it lake of fire or the second death or hell, it is still death and nothing more.

Literally, death iis simply a state of not believing in Christ . John 3:16

Remember, other books that teaches the law were opened too, not just only the bible.
But among all these books that teaches the law the only book that teaches people to believe in Christ is the bible.
So, Christianity in the real sense is the book of life.
And hell fire or lake of fire is simply grave(death),which represents other religions apart from Christianity

The disparity here is between death and life, not any fire

Also, take note that Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning that's how death came.

Their sin did not bring fire that is burning people, it does not even make sense

paxonel:
Abel Damina may have not understood this.

Look at the scriptures you quoted very well, there is nothing like fire burning people.

Death is Death period.
In your literal understanding of this scripture,
whether you call it lake of fire or the second death or hell, it is still death and nothing more.

Literally, death iis simply a state of not believing in Christ . John 3:16

Remember, other books that teaches the law were opened too, not just only the bible.
But among all these books that teaches the law the only book that teaches people to believe in Christ is the bible.
So, Christianity in the real sense is the book of life.
And hell fire or lake of fire is simply grave(death),which represents other religions apart from Christianity

The disparity here is between death and life, not any fire

Also, take note that Adam and Eve sinned from the beginning that's how death came.

Their sin did not bring fire that is burning people, it does not even make sense

You have been brainwashed and unwilling to accept the truth.

If hell means grave, do worms in the graves live forever? Explain this first before I ask you further questions. Please, don't digress.

Ken4Christ:
You have been brainwashed and unwilling to accept the truth.

How?
Explain yourself

If hell means grave, do worms in the graves live forever?

what do you mean by worm in the graves ?
You mean worms that decompose dead bodies in their grave whether they live forever?
You know the answer now, that no flesh of animal lives forever since worms are animals they will also die.
So why are you asking question as if you don't know this?

However, if your question is based on this scripture?

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched

Ofcourse, Jesus saying cut off your hand does not necessarily mean that you should cut off your hand, as the term cut it off is a figurative statement.
The same thing applies to the statement, the fire that can never be quench.
There are inherent interpretations to these statements that have to do with Jesus encouraging the Jews to cut themselves off from the old covenant and accept the new covenant which was very difficult for them to do
And the fact that the Jews were used to burning their sacrifices with fire as a practice of their old covenant through their forefather Abraham, some of these sacrifices which were dead decomposed animals that were eaten by worms that it required the Jews to preserve these dead animals by apply salts to kill the worms, explain why Jesus choses to use the term hell fire to describe their predicament.

Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched(This implies that the Jews keep making the same mistakes of burning sacrifices infected with worms with fire continually, which didn't help them)

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

See, I will encourage you to sit down and analyse your bible, you will see the truth

Explain this first before I ask you further questions. Please, don't digress.

you are free to ask your question

paxonel:
How?
Explain yourself
what do you mean by worm in the graves ?
You mean worms that decompose dead bodies in their grave whether they live forever?
You know the answer now, that no flesh of animal lives forever since worms are animals they will also die.
So why are you asking question as if you don't know this?

However, if your question is based on this scripture?

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched

Ofcourse, Jesus saying cut off your hand does not necessarily mean that you should cut off your hand, as the term cut it off is a figurative statement.
The same thing applies to the statement, the fire that can never be quench.
There are inherent interpretations to these statements that have to do with Jesus encouraging the Jews to cut themselves off from the old covenant and accept the new covenant which was very difficult for them to do
And the fact that the Jews were used to burning their sacrifices with fire as a practice of their old covenant through their forefather Abraham, some of these sacrifices which were dead decomposed animals that were eaten by worms that it required the Jews to preserve these dead animals by apply salts to kill the worms, explain why Jesus choses to use the term hell fire to describe their predicament.

Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched(This implies that the Jews keep making the same mistakes of burning sacrifices infected with worms with fire continually, which didn't help them)

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

See, I will encourage you to sit down and analyse your bible, you will see the truth

you are free to ask your question

You are changing God's word. Worms in the physical grave die but worms in̈ hell don't die.

There is no continous fire burning in any refuse dump in Israel. So, Jesus couldn't be talking about that. The fire in hell is never quenched.

If hell is grave and you teach that the dead are unconscious, how come Jonah cried from the belly of hell? Jonah 2:2

Ken4Christ:
If hell is grave and you teach that the dead are unconscious, how come Jonah cried from the belly of hell? Jonah 2:2

from the belly of hell?

paxonel:
from the belly of hell?

Yes, hell has a belly. Hell is actually a spirit being lying on her back at the centre of the earth with all the body parts complete.

Read the quote from Jonah:

Jonah 2:2
And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the BELLY OF HELL cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

If you replace the word hell with grave, it won't make sense because lifeless bodies in the grave can't cry.

Ken4Christ:
Yes, hell has a belly. Hell is actually a spirit being lying on her back at the centre of the earth with all the body parts complete.

Read the quote from Jonah:

Jonah 2:2
And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the BELLY OF HELL cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

If you replace the word hell with grave, it won't make sense because lifeless bodies in the grave can't cry.

So, what makes you think that Jonah died in the the fish belly, did the bible tell you that he died?

paxonel:
So, what makes you think that Jonah died in the the fish belly, did the bible tell you that he died?

What kind of question is this? Jump into the river and see if you will survive for 30 minutes.

You think Jonah was having a good time in the fish belly.

He died and he narrated the journey of his soul to hell in Jonah chapter 2.

The fact that he cried from the belly of hell was proof that he died.

Ken4Christ:
He died and he narrated the journey of his soul to hell in Jonah chapter 2.

The fact that he cried from the belly of hell was proof that he died.

I nor argue again, na fear i fear you like this, since you can't distinguish between figure of speech and literal statements

Ken4Christ:
Another false teaching of Dr Abel is that God never asked Noah to build an ark. Can he be real? If he was of the world, I would have said that he must have smoked weed.

And I am shocked he is a key speaker in a recently held Ministers conference.

Steep.

You see yourself?

How is it a bias to call someone like Damina to order?

Just go and read through all his numerous heresies.

Ken4Christ:
Dr Abel Damina has recently been teaching on several subjects with grave errors that shouldn't be overlooked. Doctrinal errors are dangerous. It can cause some weak Christians to lose their salvation. Apostle Paul wrote:

1st Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

The recent teaching on hell by Dr Abel is very disturbing. He said that their are no scripture to prove that torment in hell will be forever. He even said that the story of the Rich man and Lazarus can also be taken for a Parable.

Let me address the first submission.

Yes, hell is indeed not forever. But the torment doesn't stop. Rather, it continues in a bigger fire known as the Lake of fire.

Hell is like a cell were lost souls are detained awaiting trial. The souls in hell will be released for final judgment on Judgment day after which they will be thrown into the Lake of fire:

Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM: and they were judged every man according to their works. note

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

How does the scripture describe the torment in the Lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER and EVER.

The passage above is very clear. It will be forever.

Even the teaching of our Lord Jesus said the same thing. He called it a fire that shall not quenched:

Mark 10:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

He also called it everlasting fire:

Matthew 18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into EVERLASTING FIRE.

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:

So, please ministers around him should warn him before God's wrath decends on him.

Like and share this post until it gets to him.

Many more rebuttals are coming. The church of Christ must be protected from false teachings.

Hello my Friend,

If the Quote below was what Damina said, he may not be wrong o!

Let me address the first submission.

Yes, hell is indeed not forever. But the torment doesn't stop. Rather, it continues in a bigger fire known as the Lake of fire.

Hell is like a cell were lost souls are detained awaiting trial. The souls in hell will be released for final judgment on Judgment day after which they will be thrown into the Lake of fire:

Why!?


Because there is difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire

Hell is the place of torment a sinner goes BEFORE the day of resurrection. The sinner in hell is a union of his Soul and Spirit

The Lake of Fire is the place of torment a sinner goes AFTER the day of resurrection. The sinner in the Lake of Fire is a union of his Body, Soul and Spirit

Hell as a place of Torment ends after the day of Resurrection: this it is not eternal

However,

Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire while the sinners are being judged.

Rev 20:13:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Rev 20:14:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

I am not a fan of Abel Damina, but if this was his claim in quote, he was correct!

Shalom my Brother!

TenQ:
Hello my Friend,

If the Quote below was what Damina said, he may not be wrong o!


Why!?


Because there is difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire

Hell is the place of torment a sinner goes BEFORE the day of resurrection. The sinner in hell is a union of his Soul and Spirit

The Lake of Fire is the place of torment a sinner goes AFTER the day of resurrection. The sinner in the Lake of Fire is a union of his Body, Soul and Spirit

Hell as a place of Torment ends after the day of Resurrection: this it is not eternal

However,

Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire while the sinners are being judged.

Rev 20:13:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Rev 20:14:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

I am not a fan of Abel Damina, but if this was his claim in quote, he was correct!

Shalom my Brother!

Half truth is no truth. If you teach your audience that hell is not forever, you should be able to tell them what happens thereafter. Otherwise, you give a wrong impression that those in hell will one day be saved. And there are Christian sects that teach that. They even add that the devil will one day be saved. And they quote scriptures to back up their lies.

What about another recent doctrine where he said that God never told Noah to build an ark?

Abel Damina is teaching so many false doctrines. He is also a grace preacher who believes in once saved, forever saved. This is another doctrine from the pit of hell. If he doesn't repent, God will judge him.

paxonel:
I nor argue again, na fear i fear you like this, since you can't distinguish between figure of speech and literal statements

Whatever contradicts your opinion is a figure of speech or a Parable. Keep deceiving yourself.

Hello my friend,
It seems you are mixing up Hell and the Lake of Fire
1. There is a DIFFERENCE between Hell and the Lake of Fire.

2. No One is presently in the Lake of Fire BUT people are already in Hell.

There is NO ONE who is in Hell that will be saved

Ken4Christ:
Half truth is no truth. If you teach your audience that hell is not forever, you should be able to tell them what happens thereafter. Otherwise, you give a wrong impression that those in hell will one day be saved. And there are Christian sects that teach that. They even add that the devil will one day be saved. And they quote scriptures to back up their lies.

What about another recent doctrine where he said that God never told Noah to build an ark?

Abel Damina is teaching so many false doctrines. He is also a grace preacher who believes in once saved, forever saved. This is another doctrine from the pit of hell. If he doesn't repent, God will judge him.

Maybe you got me wrong.

Anyone who has been in Hell is automatically a candidate of the Lake of Fire.

There is no scripture that says that the judgement of the Lake of Fire is Temporary. There is no scripture that backs up purgatory.

Again,
1. Sinners will be in Hell UNTIL the day of judgment.
2. Anyone who was in Hell will be Resurrected AND Judged on the day of Judgment and cast in the Lake of Fire
3. Hell would be cast into the Lake of Fire
4. All Resurrected beings from Hell and those still living on the Earth will be judged according to their works.
5. Anyone who's name is NOT in the Book of Life is cast into the Lake of Fire.
6. The torment of the Lake of Fire is for ever.


Please check again and correct me where you think I am wrong. I want to learn

What about another recent doctrine where he said that God never told Noah to build an ark?

You seem to have the impression that I am defending Abel Damina. The answer is a big NO!

1. His teaching on Hell not being Forever is correct.
However
2. His teaching of God not telling Noah to build an Ark is WRONG!
God even gave him measurements and specifications for building the ark.

Here was what God told Noah!
Gen 6:14:
"Make you an ark of gopher wood; rooms shall you make in the ark, and shall pitch it within and without with pitch."

Ken4Christ:
Half truth is no truth. If you teach your audience that hell is not forever, you should be able to tell them what happens thereafter. Otherwise, you give a wrong impression that those in hell will one day be saved. And there are Christian sects that teach that. They even add that the devil will one day be saved. And they quote scriptures to back up their lies.

What about another recent doctrine where he said that God never told Noah to build an ark?

Abel Damina is teaching so many false doctrines. He is also a grace preacher who believes in once saved, forever saved. This is another doctrine from the pit of hell. If he doesn't repent, God will judge him.

Is he also a heretic for preaching against monetary tithing and the transactional gospel of seed sowing?

OkCornel:
Is he also a heretic for preaching against monetary tithing and the transactional gospel of seed sowing?

There is nothing wrong with monetary tithing or seed sowing. The only thing that needs to be corrected is how it is administered.

Churches who collect tithes and receives seed should have budget for the poor, widows, orphans and the fatherless.

Remember, Jesus focus on giving during his earthly ministry is on the poor. And he said that we should sell our possessions and give alms. This is giving 100% compared with 10%. So, we are not even giving enough. But Pastors should stop using it primarily to buy the most expensive cars and private jets when so many in their Churches can't feed, clothe or have shelter. So, my concern is that there should be a proper and balanced administration of the tithes and seeds received.

GothamCities:
Steep.

You see yourself?

How is it a bias to call someone like Damina to order?

Just go and read through all his numerous heresies.

who said damina should not be called to order it should not be limited to only Abel damina other heretics should also be called out.

TenQ:
Hello my friend,
It seems you are mixing up Hell and the Lake of Fire
1. There is a DIFFERENCE between Hell and the Lake of Fire.

2. No One is presently in the Lake of Fire BUT people are already in Hell.

There is NO ONE who is in Hell that will be saved


Maybe you got me wrong.

Anyone who has been in Hell is automatically a candidate of the Lake of Fire.

There is no scripture that says that the judgement of the Lake of Fire is Temporary. There is no scripture that backs up purgatory.

Again,
1. Sinners will be in Hell UNTIL the day of judgment.
2. Anyone who was in Hell will be Resurrected AND Judged on the day of Judgment and cast in the Lake of Fire
3. Hell would be cast into the Lake of Fire
4. All Resurrected beings from Hell and those still living on the Earth will be judged according to their works.
5. Anyone who's name is NOT in the Book of Life is cast into the Lake of Fire.
6. The torment of the Lake of Fire is for ever.


Please check again and correct me where you think I am wrong. I want to learn



You seem to have the impression that I am defending Abel Damina. The answer is a big NO!

1. His teaching on Hell not being Forever is correct.
However
2. His teaching of God not telling Noah to build an Ark is WRONG!
God even gave him measurements and specifications for building the ark.

Here was what God told Noah!
Gen 6:14:
"Make you an ark of gopher wood; rooms shall you make in the ark, and shall pitch it within and without with pitch."

I sure do know the differences between hell and Lake of fire. None of my statements contradicts all that you said.

Hell will not be forever as a doctrine is not a complete doctrine unless you tell your audience what happens next. This is my point.

When he taught that hell will be be forever, he implied that the torment will one day end. He said that there are no scriptures that said that they will be tormented forever.

So, he backed up his claim that hell will be be forever by also saying that the torment will not be forever. This is a doctrine from the pit of hell. I have nothing personal against Abel. We have met only once in Calabar over 20 years ago when he was still sound in doctrines. But we are not only called to teach God’s word but our duty is to protect the flock against false teachings.

TenQ:
Hello my Friend,

If the Quote below was what Damina said, he may not be wrong o!


Why!?


Because there is difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire

Hell is the place of torment a sinner goes BEFORE the day of resurrection. The sinner in hell is a union of his Soul and Spirit

The Lake of Fire is the place of torment a sinner goes AFTER the day of resurrection. The sinner in the Lake of Fire is a union of his Body, Soul and Spirit

Hell as a place of Torment ends after the day of Resurrection: this it is not eternal

However,

Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire while the sinners are being judged.

Rev 20:13:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Rev 20:14:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

I am not a fan of Abel Damina, but if this was his claim in quote, he was correct!

Shalom my Brother!

Abel is correct in some things, hell is not forever it would be cast into the lake of fire, it is the lake of fire that is forever.

Ken4Christ:
There is nothing wrong with monetary tithing or seed sowing. The only thing that needs to be corrected is how it is administered.

Churches who collect tithes and receives seed should have budget for the poor, widows, orphans and the fatherless.

Remember, Jesus focus on giving during his earthly ministry is on the poor. And he said that we should sell our possessions and give alms. This is giving 100% compared with 10%. So, we are not even giving enough. But Pastors should stop using it primarily to buy the most expensive cars and private jets when so many in their Churches can't feed, clothe or have shelter. So, my concern is that there should be a proper and balanced administration of the tithes and seeds received.

Nothing wrong with monetary tithing? 🤷

Where did God ask for money as tithes before he blesses a gentile believer?

Why are you guys suspiciously quiet on preaching that tithes can be eaten by the tither as written in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?

Steep:
Abel is correct in some things, hell is not forever it would be cast into the lake of fire, it is the lake of fire that is forever.

Exactly!

Ken4Christ:
I sure do know the differences between hell and Lake of fire. None of my statements contradicts all that you said.

Hell will not be forever as a doctrine is not a complete doctrine unless you tell your audience what happens next. This is my point.

When he taught that hell will be be forever, he implied that the torment will one day end. He said that there are no scriptures that said that they will be tormented forever.

So, he backed up his claim that hell will be be forever by also saying that the torment will not be forever. This is a doctrine from the pit of hell. I have nothing personal against Abel. We have met only once in Calabar over 20 years ago when he was still sound in doctrines. But we are not only called to teach God’s word but our duty is to protect the flock against false teachings.

Alright!
I based my comments on your post of what you quoted Abel Damina to have said:


If I got you correctly: the quote below was what you said Abel Damina said where you addressed his first submission

Let me address the first submission.

Yes, hell is indeed not forever. But the torment doesn't stop. Rather, it continues in a bigger fire known as the Lake of fire.

Hell is like a cell were lost souls are detained awaiting trial. The souls in hell will be released for final judgment on Judgment day after which they will be thrown into the Lake of fire:

Was he the one that said what was highlighted in yellow within the quote above?


Abel Damina's quote did seem to say that the torment of hell is forever and not the other way round (except if I got you wrongly)

TenQ:
Hello my Friend,

If the Quote below was what Damina said, he may not be wrong o!


Why!?


Because there is difference between Hell and the Lake of Fire

Hell is the place of torment a sinner goes BEFORE the day of resurrection. The sinner in hell is a union of his Soul and Spirit

The Lake of Fire is the place of torment a sinner goes AFTER the day of resurrection. The sinner in the Lake of Fire is a union of his Body, Soul and Spirit

Hell as a place of Torment ends after the day of Resurrection: this it is not eternal

However,

Hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of Fire while the sinners are being judged.

Rev 20:13:
"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Rev 20:14:
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

I am not a fan of Abel Damina, but if this was his claim in quote, he was correct!

Shalom my Brother!

Correct.
This thread has a lot of funny narrations!

This concept like so many other concepts show the errors in people's train of thoughts.

And infact like a lot of spiritual things they are not quickly inferred unless revealed.

First thing they must understand is how the word hell as been used as a metaphor and the second is its spiritual representation!

Now it's a case for understanding the battle between spiritual literal and physical metaphors!

Each having interpretations as seen from both sides of the situation due to the dual nature of life!

Now from the spiritual aspects we have the spiritual living and spiritual abstractions in terms of concepts.

Hence death exist in two forms: as a concept and as a personality.

Death as a concept is the absence of God(life) and as a personality this is self explanatory from scriptures.

As regards hell

Hell from the spiritual perspective is a gathering(waiting) place of demons for the end (judgement).

But this spirits decided to put their hands to work and little by little hell expanded not in size but in depth!

That's the first abstraction.

Now as regards mankind's view, the place of the dead (the habitat of the dead) where the spirits of the dead are kept is used to exemplify the term!

But even this is a spiritual place!
Now the physical concept that encapsulates the signing of spirits into the dead list gained metaphorical use.

Since obviously you have to die to be able to sign such a list!

Now as regards worms that do not die!
God is an eternal spirit and Angels were made spirits just like him hence conventional means will not mitigate the issue.

And to save myself time in explaining I leave this with you.

"Anything not joined with God as at the end will appear to all as perishing in an eternal cycle of torment"

As touching the lake of fire
Obviously hell in its present form is a spiritual place with dissenting spirits.

Surely wisdom suggest a way to mitigate this must be implemented hence both hell(the home of demons) and all things that failed to meet this criteria must be tossed out.

What better way to exemplify the process by using the term " lake of fire" to show the fervency of heat and the total destruction of all things not joined to God!

Hence as usual " lake of fire" is a spiritual concept of absence from God as at the end!

Gabrielshow24:
Correct.
This thread has a lot of funny narrations!

This concept like so many other concepts show the errors in people's train of thoughts.

And infact like a lot of spiritual things they are not quickly inferred unless revealed.

First thing they must understand is how the word hell as been used as a metaphor and the second is its spiritual representation!

Now it's a case for understanding the battle between spiritual literal and physical metaphors!

Each having interpretations as seen from both sides of the situation due to the dual nature of life!

Now from the spiritual aspects we have the spiritual living and spiritual abstractions in terms of concepts.

Hence death exist in two forms: as a concept and as a personality.

Death as a concept is the absence of God(life) and as a personality this is self explanatory from scriptures.

As regards hell

Hell from the spiritual perspective is a gathering(waiting) place of demons for the end (judgement).

But this spirits decided to put their hands to work and little by little hell expanded not in size but in depth!

That's the first abstraction.

Now as regards mankind's view, the place of the dead (the habitat of the dead) where the spirits of the dead are kept is used to exemplify the term!

But even this is a spiritual place!
Now the physical concept that encapsulates the signing of spirits into the dead list gained metaphorical use.

Since obviously you have to die to be able to sign such a list!

Now as regards worms that do not die!
God is an eternal spirit and Angels were made spirits just like him hence conventional means will not mitigate the issue.

And to save myself time in explaining I leave this with you.

"Anything not joined with God as at the end will appear to all as perishing in an eternal cycle of torment"

As touching the lake of fire
Obviously hell in its present form is a spiritual place with dissenting spirits.

Surely wisdom suggest a way to mitigate this must be implemented hence both hell(the home of demons) and all things that failed to meet this criteria must be tossed out.

What better way to exemplify the process by using the term " lake of fire" to show the fervency of heat and the total destruction of all things not joined to God!

Hence as usual " lake of fire" is a spiritual concept of absence from God as at the end!

I agree to some extent with you but I highlighted a few places where the clarifications need a little help.

1. Hell is used as a metaphor only when it is used as meaning the grave. Otherwise, it is a literal spiritual place.
Abraham, Lazarus and the rich man is an example. Lk 16:23
Jesus saying that it is better to be maimed or have a single eye than have both in hell is another. Matthew 18:8
Jesus went down to the Prison (Hell) where He preached to those humans from the time of Noah 2Pt 3:18-20

I am usually not comfortable with treating hell in an abstract format

2. Demons are not yet in Hell BUT fallen Angels are in hell.
2Pet 2:4:
"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved to judgment;"

From Demons, it's not yet their time of judgment.
Mat 8:29:
"And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with you, Jesus, you Son of God? are you come here to torment us before the time?"

Demons are NOT the same as the Fallen Angels.

3. Spirits do NOT cease to exist because it is the nature of God. Therefore, any spirit that is not joined to God is thrown into the refuse dump of God (Hell and the Lake of Fire) where they remained eternally.
You said:

"Anything not joined with God as at the end will appear to all as perishing in an eternal cycle of torment"

They will NOT appear as perishing. They are in a place of torment forever.
Rev 14:11:
"And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

For emphasis: they have no rest day or night

This was why Jesus spoke of the WORMS not dying.

3. People often think that Fire symbolises destruction and annihilation BUT don't forget that a person can be in Fire without being Burnt.
The three Hebrew young men are examples: these did not even feel the heat.

It seems you have some JW background.

Humans are Trinity of their Body, Soul and Spirit! As spirit beings, they live forever just as the Angels

TenQ:
Alright!
I based my comments on your post of what you quoted Abel Damina to have said:


If I got you correctly: the quote below was what you said Abel Damina said where you addressed his first submission


Was he the one that said what was highlighted in yellow within the quote above?


Abel Damina's quote did seem to say that the torment of hell is forever and not the other way round (except if I got you wrongly)

That quote was my quote. Abel never mentioned anything about the Lake of fire. I only admitted that hell is indeed not forever but went on to explain what happens thereafter.

But Abel said that there is no where in the scripture that says that the torment in hell is forever. And he didn't go further than that. And this gives the impression that these in hell will be delivered one day.

Steep:
who said damina should not be called to order it should not be limited to only Abel damina other heretics should also be called out.

Can you show me where I claimed you said Damina should not be called out?

I said you are wrong to call it a bias. Damina has been releasing a volley of heresies for more than a decade. It's even late of them to be calling him out just now.

OkCornel:
Nothing wrong with monetary tithing? 🤷

Where did God ask for money as tithes before he blesses a gentile believer?

Why are you guys suspiciously quiet on preaching that tithes can be eaten by the tither as written in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?

Did God also ask for monetary offerings? Why do we make comments as though the one who gives money has given more than the one who gave a lamb of one year old.

The value of the young animals and farm produce they gave under the Old Covenant is far above the value of money we give as offerings.

We don't pay tithe because of a command or instruction. Its been a practice before the law was given. God made it a part or the law to show its significant.

So, because we no longer have community of farmers and herders as it was under the Old, giving should stop?

Both tithing and offerings were done mostly with farm produce and animals. So, it's not about what is given. It's about a principle. It's a support system for the church. And it's a reasonable support system.

The government collect tax from 30% upwards and in some countries 50% to develop the country. We don't complain about it. And we don't even follow up if they actually use it for that purpose. But we are concerned about 10% for kingdom advancement. The devil is a liar.

Ken4Christ:
Did God also ask for monetary offerings? Why do we make comments as though the one who gives money has given more than the one who gave a lamb of one year old.

The value of the young animals and farm produce they gave under the Old Covenant is far above the value of money we give as offerings.

We don't pay tithe because of a command or instruction. Its been a practice before the law was given. God made it a part or the law to show its significant.

So, because we no longer have community of farmers and herders as it was under the Old, giving should stop?

Both tithing and offerings were done mostly with farm produce and animals. So, it's not about what is given. It's about a principle. It's a support system for the church. And it's a reasonable support system.

The government collect tax from 30% upwards and in some countries 50% to develop the country. We don't complain about it. And we don't even follow up if they actually use it for that purpose. But we are concerned about 10% for kingdom advancement. The devil is a liar.

Buhahaha… oh yes, God asked for monetary offerings.
Refer to Exodus 30 v 13-16 for where God gave the instruction through Moses;

13 This shall every man give, that goeth into the number, half a shekel, after the [a]shekel of the Sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs) 👉the half shekel shall be an offering to the Lord👈.
14 All that are numbered from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering to the Lord.
15 The rich shall not pass, and the poor shall not diminish from half a shekel, when ye shall give an offering unto the Lord, for the redemption of your lives.
16 So thou shalt take 👉the money of the redemption👈 of the children of Israel, and shalt put it unto the use of the Tabernacle of the Congregation, that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the Lord, for the redemption of your lives.


Now please show us where God requested for money as tithes. Patiently waiting.