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Gerrard59:
I am Igbo and I have stated here that Igbos should be mindful of how they interact with the natives in Lagos and elsewhere. To be honest though, I don't really see racism as I am Igbo and I live in a wealthy country. An instance is how Deborah Yakubu Samuel was roasted to death. However, her killers were released for a baseless reason. The Italian man who murdered a Nigerian because the latter wooed his woman has been sentenced to 20 years imprisonment. Apparently, black lives matter more in non-black countries than in their dominant environment.

Additionally, I am a die-hard realist who prefers to understand humans for who and what they are rather than what I wish them to be. The reality is: humans are tribal regardless of who they are and where they come from. That is a fact I acknowledge and live with. I cannot change it, neither can any. So, why pontificate? Most importantly, I maintain my stance that wealth reduces racism. Any black person who wants to campaign against racism should first work on making sure Africa becomes wealthy. Crying from today to tomorrow to yesterday would not change anything until wealth has been established.

Africa is wealthy but the problem is that it's not evenly distributed due to cultural norms which one of us has earlier mentioned that if we can do away with some of those cultural norms and religiosity then we can truly generate more wealth, however, this is not a justification for the unnecessary profiling and discrimination we see in the West today, see but for the rule of law that works better in the West, that Italian you mentioned that was sentenced will never happen. And if we start enforcing our laws in Africa, we will see more equity, justice, and fairness which is what can effectively deal with all the issues of tribalism in Africa. Did the UK not toy with the idea of removing themselves from the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) to have more leeway in dealing with asylum seekers? that echr is what is making the UK a saner society, remove echr and the UK will become another African jungle. Some things are keeping these folks in check as human behaviour is the same everywhere. Is it not the same US where the cops also kill innocent people, will there ever be a black Lives Matter movement if indeed black lives matter more than in their dominated environment according to you? If wealth truly reduces racism, how come super-wealthy black folks still suffer from racism in the West or do you think they don't?

N:B; You're one person I so much like your write-ups on this forum and I learn so much from you. Just having a health conversation.

Goke7:
Africa is wealthy but the problem is that it's not evenly distributed due to cultural norms which one of us has earlier mentioned that if we can do away with some of those cultural norms and religiosity then we can truly generate more wealth, however, this is not a justification for the unnecessary profiling and discrimination we see in the West today, see but for the rule of law that works better in the West, that Italian you mentioned that was sentenced will never happen. And if we start enforcing our laws in Africa, we will see more equity, justice, and fairness which is what can effectively deal with all the issues of tribalism in Africa. Did the UK not toy with the idea of removing themselves from the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) to have more leeway in dealing with asylum seekers? that echr is what is making the UK a saner society, remove echr and the UK will become another African jungle. Some things are keeping these folks in check as human behaviour is the same everywhere. Is it not the same US where the cops also kill innocent people, will there ever be a black Lives Matter movement if indeed black lives matter more than in their dominated environment according to you? If wealth truly reduces racism, how come super-wealthy black folks still suffer from racism in the West or do you think they don't?

Because they constitute an infinitesimal number as their dominant environment has more poor people than anywhere else. Singapore and Hong Kong twenty years ago constituted the wealthiest Chinese enclaves. However, their images did not portray the Chinese as wealthy people. Mainland China had to be what it is today for the Chinese to be renewed as people who have money. Today, the Chinese are well respected. There are consequences for disrespecting Chinese consumers. There are NO economic consequences for disrespecting black consumers, especially Black Africans. It is why I respect African Americans and Black South Africans - they fought for their rights and deserve to be proud. Unsurprisingly, they are the number one and two wealthiest set of black people globally respectively.

As for the rule of law, it generally goes along with prosperity. Poverty makes humans to behave like animals. It is no surprise that places where the rule of law works very well are well-off.

My fear is that in the next decade, Southeast Asia will have drastically reduced poverty. If India maintains its GDP growth, South Asia will gradually follow suit. That leaves sub-Saharan Africa as the only place with excruciating poverty. This translates to the black man being synonymous with being poor. Poverty is not a good thing. Death is better than poverty.

N:B; You're one person I so much like your write-ups on this forum and I learn so much from you. Just having a health conversation.

I am sorry, but please don't like me. Sometimes, I don't have sense. Other times, I lambast people who campaigned and voted for Buhari in 2015. I have bad mouth o. Biko, no like me o. I get my own flaws.

Gerrard59:
Poverty.


Impressive, but I am not surprised though as I know Atlanta to be a majority black area and has one of the strongest upper-middle class black neighbourhoods in the US. Those in Texas and Maryland should be included.


So, why have they been unable to replicate the same in their dominant environment? The UK and US are still white dominated.


Sometimes, na high cost of living especially considering the majority of the blacks in the UK live within the Southeast region (where London is). But yes, I somewhat sympathise with black folks who live in such areas sha.


All their cries are pointless if they don't procreate. Although it is a global phenomenon as even Iran, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia have experienced falling fertility rates. But for people who lament so much about immigration, they should get into the oza room and do the needful!

Very well articulated

RodgersAkpafu:
Okonjo Iweala neighbourhood in the DMV area is majority black and is very well run
Guess what?

Her neighbourhood is not the only neighbourhood that is black predominated and well run
Fayette and Buckhead and other upscale black areas are also popping in the ATL area,
ATL is a hub for black professionals and they have nice upscale areas predominantly black
ATL sef is predominantly black sef

When we're making comments on a public forum, the main respect we can show our fellow forum members is to post facts. Maybe because you're posting anonymously, that's why you feel the need to post things like this. At least check on the veracity of your statements. Google exists. Gosh.

1) The Iweala family lives in Potomac, Maryland last time I checked. Maybe they've moved, but I know for a FACT that they have their primary family home in that town. That is NOT a predominantly Black area. Here's a Google search with of course a MULTIPLICITY of sources -

https://www.google.com/search?q=potomac+maryland+racial+demographics&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=potomac+maryland+raci&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTINCAIQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAMQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAQQABiGAxiABBiKBTIKCAUQABiABBiiBDIKCAYQABiiBBiJBTIKCAcQABiABBiiBDIKCAgQABiABBiiBNIBCDk5MzJqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Potomac is 6% Black while the US population is 13% Black.

The STATE of Maryland itself is 31% Black and Potomac is thus 80% less representative of the Black population within the State of Maryland. Come on man, can we just try and be FACTUAL.

2) Your entire statement about Buckhead, an area of Atlanta, is FALSE. Buckhead is a DISTRICT or subdivision within the City of Atlanta. Here's Google search for the demographics of the area.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buckhead+atlanta+demographics&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=buckhead+at&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEAAYQxiABBiKBTIMCAAQABhDGIAEGIoFMgoIARAuGLEDGIAEMgYIAhBFGDkyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgATSAQg4MzU4ajBqOagCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Buckhead is predominantly White at 77% while the City of Atlanta is 50% Black. Those majority Whites in Buckhead area have been trying to SECEDE from the City of Atlanta because Atlanta is basically dysfunctional. The effort was defeated by Republican Party votes in the State legislature.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buckhead+atlanta+secession&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=buckhead+atlanta+secession+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCggAEEUYFhgeGDkyDQgBEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgCEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyCggEEAAYgAQYogQyCggFEAAYgAQYogTSAQkxMDU4MWowajmoAgCwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Have you been to Atlanta? My college roommate lives there and especially when I was younger, I used to visit almost every month. Like most Democrat controlled states and cities, it's crime ridden, the government is inefficient and taxes are high. Last point, anyone can check - the Buckhead district of Atlanta generates 40% of city revenue.

Get the FACTS right. Everything I've posted above can be confirmed by simple perusal of the news. It's wrong to misinform the public. I have no interest in engaging anyone who posts such blatantly wrong information.

Gerrard59:
I am Igbo and I have stated here that Igbos should be mindful of how they interact with the natives in Lagos and elsewhere. To be honest though, I don't really see racism as I am Igbo and I live in a wealthy country. An instance is how Deborah Yakubu Samuel was roasted to death. However, her killers were released for a baseless reason. The Italian man who murdered a Nigerian because the latter wooed his woman has been sentenced to 20 years imprisonment. Apparently, black lives matter more in non-black countries than in their dominant environment.

Additionally, I am a die-hard realist who prefers to understand humans for who and what they are rather than what I wish them to be. The reality is: humans are tribal regardless of who they are and where they come from. That is a fact I acknowledge and live with. I cannot change it, neither can any. So, why pontificate? Most importantly, I maintain my stance that wealth reduces racism. Any black person who wants to campaign against racism should first work on making sure Africa becomes wealthy. Crying from today to tomorrow to yesterday would not change anything until wealth has been established.

As a COLLECTIVE, Black Africans have no such ability to generate wealth. Something happened since Contact with Arabs and Europeans. The primary method of wealth generation among Black Africans has become EXPLOITATION and ABUSE of their fellow Blacks and parasiting on other races, NOT building or creating anything. That is why the SLAVE TRADE happened.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

IbeOkehie:
When we're making comments on a public forum, the main respect we can show our fellow forum members is to post facts. Maybe because you're posting anonymously, that's why you feel the need to post things like this. At least check on the veracity of your statements. Google exists. Gosh.

1) The Iweala family lives in Potomac, Maryland last time I checked. Maybe they've moved, but I know for a FACT that they have their primary family home in that town. That is NOT a predominantly Black area. Here's a Google search with of course a MULTIPLICITY or sources -

https://www.google.com/search?q=potomac+maryland+racial+demographics&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=potomac+maryland+raci&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBwgAEAAYgAQyBwgAEAAYgAQyBggBEEUYOTINCAIQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAMQABiGAxiABBiKBTINCAQQABiGAxiABBiKBTIKCAUQABiABBiiBDIKCAYQABiiBBiJBTIKCAcQABiABBiiBDIKCAgQABiABBiiBNIBCDk5MzJqMGo0qAIAsAIB&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Potomac is 6% Black while the US population is 13% Black.

The STATE of Maryland itself is 31% Black and Potomac is thus 80% less representative of the Black population within the State of Maryland. Come on man, can we just try and be FACTUAL.

2) Your entire statement about Buckhead, an area of Atlanta, is FALSE. Buckhead is a DISTRICT or subdivision within the City of Atlanta. Here's Google search for the demographics of the area.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buckhead+atlanta+demographics&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=buckhead+at&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqDAgAEAAYQxiABBiKBTIMCAAQABhDGIAEGIoFMgoIARAuGLEDGIAEMgYIAhBFGDkyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEAAYgAQyBwgJEAAYgATSAQg4MzU4ajBqOagCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Buckhead is predominantly White at 77% while the City of Atlanta is 50% Black. Those majority Whites in Buckhead area have been trying to SECEDE from the City of Atlanta because Atlanta is basically dysfunctional. The effort was defeated by Republican Party votes in the State legislature.

https://www.google.com/search?q=buckhead+atlanta+secession&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=buckhead+atlanta+secession+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyCggAEEUYFhgeGDkyDQgBEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgCEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyDQgDEAAYhgMYgAQYigUyCggEEAAYgAQYogQyCggFEAAYgAQYogTSAQkxMDU4MWowajmoAgCwAgE&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Have you been to Atlanta? My college roommate lives there and especially when I was younger, I used to visit almost every month. Like most Democrat controlled states and cities, it's crime ridden, the government is inefficient and taxes are high. Last point, anyone can check - the Buckhead district of Atlanta generates 40% of city revenue.

Get the FACTS right. Everything I've posted above can be confirmed by simple perusal of the news. It's wrong to misinform the public. I have no interest in engaging anyone who posts such blatantly wrong information.



As a COLLECTIVE, Black Africans have no such ability to generate wealth. Something happened since Contact with Arabs and Europeans. The primary method of wealth generation among Black Africans has become EXPLOITATION and ABUSE of their fellow Blacks and parasiting on other races, NOT building or creating anything. That is why the SLAVE TRADE happened.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

I know what I am saying about the upper end black neighbourhoods in ATL
There are black dominated high end neighbourhoods in Buckhead and even Fayette, if your small self cannot agree or accept this that one is your cup of tea

and I also know where NOI house is in the DMV area is also a neighbourhood that has a significant black population, on her street.

If you like go and be googling left and right, because it's disconcerting news to you, that one is your own cup of tea

ATL that is the place where black professionals, millionaires and upscale people dey aplenty, are they supposed to be living in the Bush?

I have nothing to say or prove to you anymore because u are so keen to paint black people in bad and black light, which is your own right but its an eyesore and pure coonery

Okay I don hear you
black people cannot have nice things
they cannot organise themselves
they cannot be respectable

There is nowhere where blacks are the majority anywhere in America and the place is upscale

Are you happy now ?

As a COLLECTIVE, Black Africans have no such ability to generate wealth. Something happened since Contact with Arabs and Europeans. The primary method of wealth generation among Black Africans has become EXPLOITATION and ABUSE of their fellow Blacks and parasiting on other races, NOT building or creating anything. That is why the SLAVE TRADE happened.

This above is something someone who went to school is typing
The level of inferiority complex that you are soaked in is of a very thick one

all those Africans raising VC funds and doing great things on the continent are now what ?
If you had a stint in corporate Nigeria before leaving Nigeria, you would probably have seen for yourself great things and ecosystems that are going on in Nigeria and other parts of Africa
But alas, your type is probably one who fled Nigeria because he had nothing going on for him and thus see the world from that lens lmaooo

you can't relate to what you don't know

cc Gerrard59

It's just a shame and a pity to see Black people do this to themselves

Go look at rhe tweet by that Conservative leader hopeful about British colonies being grateful for British imperialism
You see a good number of white folks blasting him, while coon nigerians are agreeing with him and even fighting off people who disagree

I was shocked and ashamed to the point I had to move on to other tweets, so I won't say what I'll regret

RodgersAkpafu:
It's just a shame and a pity to see Black people do this to themselves

Go look at rhe tweet by that Conservative leader hopeful about British colonies being grateful for British imperialism
You see a good number of white folks blasting him, while coon nigerians are agreeing with him and even fighting off people who disagree

I was shocked and ashamed to the point I had to move on to other tweets, so I won't say what I'll regret

These are discussions you can never see Pakistanis have in Britain

You try them, they set the country on fire 🔥
But black people?
When you have Blacks (Nigerians esp) within our ranks who think that it's okay to be mistreated because their country of origin is not in a good shape
They will rationalise all the rationalables.

No self respect
No self awareness
mo value for self

RodgersAkpafu:


I know what I am saying about the upper end black neighbourhoods in ATL
There are black dominated high end neighbourhoods in Buckhead and even Fayette, if your small self cannot agree or accept this that one is your cup of tea

and I also know where NOI house is in the DMV area is also a neighbourhood that has a significant black population, on her street.

cc Gerrard59

Dude, I've been to Potomac. One of my landlords lives in Potomac. I don't want to discuss peoples personal business, I don't know if this counts but I'll tell you this much - he lives in a predominantly White area. Atiku has a home there, one Igbo lawyer like that has a home there and the Iweala's live there but that doesn't make it predominantly Black. I've even supplied the demographics of the town with MULTIPLE official and non-official sources showing 6% Black and you're STILL insisting it's predominantly Black. Wetin now?

CENSUS.GOV, the population counting agency of the USA Federal Government says the town of Potomac Maryland is
6% Black,
60% White
10% Hispanic or Latino
21% Asian....

here it is for those who care https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/potomaccdpmaryland/PST045223

Buckhead district is 77% White and contained within the City of Atlanta that is 50% Black. That's why their effort to secede from Atlanta was tagged as RACIST. Again Google is our friend, where else are we supposed to go?

There's no need to create lies to defend an argument. Your statements about both places are WRONG.

But Nigerian university graduates can never gracefully concede an argument. It's a Black African thing.



Good Luck to Nigeria

IbeOkehie:
Dude, I've been to Potomac. One of my landlords lives in Potomac. I don't want to discuss peoples personal business, I don't know if this counts but I'll tell you this much - he lives in a predominantly White area. Atiku has a home there, one Igbo lawyer like that has a home there and the Iweala's live there but that doesn't make it predominantly Black. I've even supplied the demographics of the town with MULTIPLE official and non-official sources showing 6% Black and you're STILL insisting it's predominantly Black. Wetin now?

Buckhead district is 77% White and contained within the City of Atlanta that is 50% Black. That's why their effort to secede from Atlanta was tagged as RACIST. Again Google is our friend, where else are we supposed to go? There's no need to create lies to defend an argument. Your statements about both places are WRONG. Good Luck to Nigeria

Based on the search results, his statements are false. Hopefully, he accepts it. That said, why do they want to secede from Atlanta? And how politically possible is that in an American context? I am curious, though, why the crime rate is high if these places have a strong middle class. Also, what do you say about the long-standing upper-middle class within the Atlanta, Texas and Maryland axis? Also, what about the fast-growing technology sector in Nigeria which is black-dominated, unlike its white-dominated counterpart in South Africa?

IbeOkehie:
Dude, I've been to Potomac. One of my landlords lives in Potomac. I don't want to discuss peoples personal business, I don't know if this counts but I'll tell you this much - he lives in a predominantly White area. Atiku has a home there, one Igbo lawyer like that has a home there and the Iweala's live there but that doesn't make it predominantly Black. I've even supplied the demographics of the town with MULTIPLE official and non-official sources showing 6% Black and you're STILL insisting it's predominantly Black. Wetin now?

CENSUS.GOV, the population counting agency of the USA Federal Government says the town of Potomac Maryland is
6% Black,
60% White
10% Hispanic or Latino
21% Asian....

here it is for those who care https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/potomaccdpmaryland/PST045223

Buckhead district is 77% White and contained within the City of Atlanta that is 50% Black. That's why their effort to secede from Atlanta was tagged as RACIST. Again Google is our friend, where else are we supposed to go?

There's no need to create lies to defend an argument. Your statements about both places are WRONG.

But Nigerian university graduates can never gracefully concede an argument. It's a Black African thing.



Good Luck to Nigeria

For goodness sakes.

RodgersAkpafu:


I know what I am saying about the upper end black neighbourhoods in ATL
There are black dominated high end neighbourhoods in Buckhead and even Fayette, if your small self cannot agree or accept this that one is your cup of tea. and I also know where NOI house is in the DMV area is also a neighbourhood that has a significant black population, on her street.

His statistics show that the predominant race residing in the area as NOI are whites. As it is, there is no point disagreeing. The authoritative body shows it so.

If you like go and be googling left and right, because it's disconcerting news to you, that one is your own cup of tea

Actually, what he did is good - setting the records right. I even feel bad I did not do the same and just swallowed what you stated hook, line and sinker. Quite unlike me. But it is important to put accurate info, especially in a public discourse.

ATL that is the place where black professionals, millionaires and upscale people dey aplenty, are they supposed to be living in the Bush?

This is where I am interested in his response. I watched a video about black middle class neighbourhoods in Johannesburg and found it very interesting and nice. The blacks dominate that city.

There is nowhere where blacks are the majority anywhere in America and the place is upscale

Are you happy now ?

I am as well interested in his response to the bold.

As a COLLECTIVE, Black Africans have no such ability to generate wealth. Something happened since Contact with Arabs and Europeans. The primary method of wealth generation among Black Africans has become EXPLOITATION and ABUSE of their fellow Blacks and parasiting on other races, NOT building or creating anything. That is why the SLAVE TRADE happened.

This above is something someone who went to school is typing
The level of inferiority complex that you are soaked in is of a very thick one

On a wider scale, he is somewhat right. Just because some black people built successful companies does not mean many black-dominated countries are wealthy. There are successful companies in every country which are built by people all races.

all those Africans raising VC funds and doing great things on the continent are now what ?
If you had a stint in corporate Nigeria before leaving Nigeria, you would probably have seen for yourself great things and ecosystems that are going on in Nigeria and other parts of Africa

Fair deal, including our music and movies industries. It shows wealth building by blacks is possible. However, it does not or has not translated to overall wealth in the most populous black country.

RodgersAkpafu:
For goodness sakes.

If you can't concede you're wrong on this issue then I must conclude you're not a worthy discussant on ANY subject. You're so swayed by RACE and tribal aggrandizement you can't take statistical reality into account. I would have given you some allowance for being a UK resident but you can't even accept information sourced directly from the US Census Bureau. Besides that, I've been to those places and know one or two people that live in at least one of the locations. My eyes saw what the US Census compiled in their data - both places are overwhelmingly White. Even Asians are a higher population in Potomac than Blacks, that really is interesting, first time I noticed.

He was quick to go and Google WITHOUT understanding the context to which my statement was made
Anyways some clarification
NOI house in the DMV area is in the very same street a PEP from my state of origin bought a house, and on that street, they are predominantly Black

In Buckhead, there is a big time entertainer who bought a house in a street that has predominantly AAs/Nigerian Americans
His wife and kids stay in the house and again, that street in Buckhead has a significant presence

That was the basis upon which my comment was made,
I mentioned neighbourhoods

This na twisting the tale. Not worth addressing but there's those who will not think properly and allow themselves to be bamboozled. Neighborhoods are NOT self governing. Everything about Potomac is controlled by Whites. That's the issue, the ability of Black Africans to generate a self governing high HDI collective on a municipal, state, regional or national level. Using your metric, we can as well say yeah your family is upper middle class and that is evidence that Black Africans can generate successful collectives. These are the kinds of Black African arguments that show us why the home of 25% of the Black Race, Nigeria is the Poverty Capital of the World.

We have nothing to discuss anymore, please ignore my comments from now on. I myself do not lie and when I'm mistaken I will admit it. As an Igbo man, our religion and tradition holds that an adult man who lies will meet an unfortunate end. So I won't do it.

Take care and goodbye.

Gerrard59:
Based on the search results, his statements are false. Hopefully, he accepts it. That said, why do they want to secede from Atlanta? And how politically possible is that in an American context? I am curious, though, why the crime rate is high if these places have a strong middle class. Also, what do you say about the long-standing upper-middle class within the Atlanta, Texas and Maryland axis? Also, what about the fast-growing technology sector in Nigeria which is black-dominated, unlike its white-dominated counterpart in South Africa?

The predominantly White district of St George successfully seceded from the majority Black City of Baton Rouge in Louisiana .

https://www.google.com/search?q=did+st+george+secede+from+baton+rouge+successfully&rlz=1C1NDCM_enUS837US837&oq=did+st+george+secede+from+baton+rouge+succse&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCQgDECEYChigATIGCAAQRRg5MgkIARAhGAoYoAEyCQgCECEYChigATIJCAMQIRgKGKABMgcIBBAhGI8CMgcIBRAhGI8C0gEJMTYyMTNqMGo0qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

@Gerrard, every question you've asked on this specific demographic issue has common sense answers that can be easily deduced by a realistic person. On crime, I already gave YOU some important government statistics from the USA federal police. You can go from there.

In fact, I know that you know the answers. Don't ask me, ask yourself.

Good Luck to Nigerians

Gerrard59:
His statistics show that the predominant race residing in the area as NOI are whites. As it is, there is no point disagreeing. The authoritative body shows it so.


Actually, what he did is good - setting the records right. I even feel bad I did not do the same and just swallowed what you stated hook, line and sinker. Quite unlike me. But it is important to put accurate info, especially in a public discourse.


This is where I am interested in his response. I watched a video about black middle class neighbourhoods in Johannesburg and found it very interesting and nice. The blacks dominate that city.


I am as well interested in his response to the bold.


On a wider scale, he is somewhat right. Just because some black people built successful companies does not mean many black-dominated countries are wealthy. There are successful companies in every country which are built by people all races.


Fair deal, including our music and movies industries. It shows wealth building by blacks is possible. However, it does not or has not translated to overall wealth in the most populous black country.

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I'll respond when I get settled
km jn transit now

I have a lot to say, but I'm DISTRACTED ATM

RodgersAkpafu:
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I'll respond when I get settled
km jn transit now

I have a lot to say, but I'm DISTRACTED ATM

I'm in transit is what I meant to write lol

I am more settled now so lemme say a few things


His statistics show that the predominant race residing in the area as NOI are whites. As it is, there is no point disagreeing. The authoritative body shows it so

He was quick to go and Google WITHOUT understanding the context to which my statement was made
Anyways some clarification
NOI house in the DMV area is in the very same street a PEP from my state of origin bought a house, and on that street, they are predominantly Black

In Buckhead, there is a big time entertainer who bought a house in a street that has predominantly AAs/Nigerian Americans
His wife and kids stay in the house and again, that street in Buckhead has a significant presence

That was the basis upon which my comment was made,
I mentioned neighbourhoods

Heck, even where I live , in my area, I haven't checked but most definitely it will appear that even though its very diverse (that's what the UK cities have turned to anyways)
When you start checking post code by post code , you will see differences

My own post code for example, and my street, from observation, South Asians outnumber white folks and blacks are here too, and it's as middle class at it comes

Somewhere else far off, a place called Harrogate, a more upscale area, its predominantly White

That's the context to which I made my post and again I stand by it. regardless of what Ibe thinks

Lemme even use lagos for example
I go to festal often
Statistically speaking overall, Yorubas outnumber Igbos in Lagos
Heck
Yorubas even outnumber igbos in Amuwo Odofin
BUT
If you go to Festac, sub set of Amuwo, you don't need anyone to tell you that Igbos are predominant there

Atlanta has black professionals, big business owners and entertainers aplenty
where are they gonna live ?
under the bridge ?

I clicked on his own link and modified the Google search and the same Google has posts alluding to Buckhead as an area with significant black presence, though I will not post it here Gerrard59, you can check for yourself

ATL is not called Jewel of the South (if I remember correctly) for no reason

On a side note

I wonder why Davido went buying a place at the white end of town in ATL, I found that odd, considering other entertainers from naija don't do the same
But that is another topic

RodgersAkpafu:
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I'll respond when I get settled
km jn transit now

I have a lot to say, but I'm DISTRACTED ATM

Actually, what he did is good - setting the records right. I even feel bad I did not do the same and just swallowed what you stated hook, line and sinker. Quite unlike me. But it is important to put accurate info, especially in a public discourse

What he did was with mischievous intent
While I cannot argue with the data (because data is data) again, I stand by the context to which i made the comment

Ask yourself, If I mentioned that Black people are 80% of every run down area of America and the UK, would he have been quick to go look it up on Google ?

I have mentioned several things and argument as to why black folks cannot be painted all black, he will either avoid it, skirt off it, or go on a whataboutism bend

Apparently he has chosen the path of coonery, and I wish him the very best in that regard
But like I'll say again, it's an eyesore to see a black person reason this way

RodgersAkpafu:
.......

I'll respond when I get settled
km jn transit now

I have a lot to say, but I'm DISTRACTED ATM

I am as well interested in his response to the bold

He has nothing to say in this regard
Again, he has skirted off the topic and told you to go do your research lol

simple question,
it's common knowledge that ATL have black professional and upper class blacks

What neighbourhoods do they live?
Or are they avoiding each other and dispersing across the city (mind you the city is 50% black)
There is only so much dispersing they can do

How can it be that in the entire ATL with over 50% Black folks
there is NO STREET that has majority blacks
or a collection of streets

it's like sayiny there is nowhere in lagos where igbos are packed into and it's upscale

Gerrard59
u sef reason am nau

RodgersAkpafu:
.......

I'll respond when I get settled
km jn transit now

I have a lot to say, but I'm DISTRACTED ATM

On a wider scale, he is somewhat right. Just because some black people built successful companies does not mean many black-dominated countries are wealthy. There are successful companies in every country which are built by people all races

You have said it yourself Gerrard59

There are successful companies, people and neighbourhoods of people of all races
If this is the case
How can saying. "black people are incapable...." be a factual statement ?

That is an insult to every black upper class person and black folks working hard to change a narrative about us as a people

Tyler Perry just built the biggest studio in ATL for film production
That eco system alone and what it means for black folks is huge

on 50 Cents interview (well, one of them)
he said he was even considering collaboration with Tyler Perry
think of how huge that is for black people

Is Tyler not a black man ?
has he not "done something "?

I agree, the general image is not good
But the top decile of black folks, both in Nigeria and in the USA are doing really really good
I'll go into more detail in the subsequent post

@Gerrard59

Fair deal, including our music and movies industries. It shows wealth building by blacks is possible. However, it does not or has not translated to overall wealth in the most populous black country

Like i keep saying
Before i left Nigeria
I had a stint in corporate Nigeria.

And I saw with my two eyes what Nigerians could do
Our central clearing system when we were in the bank was T +2
UK and the US can't beat that

That stupid fraud that Chase Bank or so got into can never fly in our central clearing system of our Nigerian banks

I can beat my chest and say it anywhere, and you are free to fact check me on this

Our financial system is not there yet, but is very ahead of many emerging markets in terms of sophistication and even the talent pool....

I was trained by the best there is, and our bankers are across the world representing very very well
Now lemme go into the businesses we supported, and the networks we built overtime

Amazing things are happening in the VC/PE spaces in Nigeria, funding just dey enter woto woto and we are trying to make our markets even more sophisticated
Moniepoint just became yet another unicorn to come out of Africa

some companies are not unicorns yet, but they are doing great and amazing things

If not for the devaluation saga, our capital markets would have even been more developed, and more market participants in the mix

Look at our NGX reforms and rules
You can only do +/- 10% on a daily basis

That is amazing and unique to us, because we have protected our country from sharks who take advantage of emerging countries for repetitive pump and dumps
South Africa for reasons best known to them gave a diff system and Heck, they aew facing their headwinds as well

Why am I telling you all these Gerrard59?
Having spent time in these circles
seeing what black folks are doing

and then hearing a black man like myself come say the kind of things that Ibe is saying ,
don't u see that the maths is not mathing?

Gerrard59 I want you to check this YouTube channel Big Texh this week

Itz being run by an acquaintance of mine , go see for yourself what Nigerians are doing / trying to do

Again like I'll always say
I agree that there are a lot of challenges going on
The Nigerian govt is the enemy of the Nigerian enterprise ( I have am encounter my unit had with the CBN but that is gist for another day )


But to say black people are INCAPABLE OF

come on!!!!!

That is the major gripe and disagreement I have with the guy and other guys who think like him

when you begin to do that
it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy.

I for one don't believe that
I'm working very hard to break into certain circles here
It's been difficult so far but by God's grace I'll gatecrash if I have to

And I see "Canary wharf blacks" also striving in their own way to do good and sheet
It's again an insult to talk of us as incapable or somewhat less than other groups because our country of origin is not doing well
Which is not exclusively our fault


I'm somewhat passionate about the topic
and we have gone several pages
and yea, despite still not agreeing with. a lot of ppl here, I'll still say the discussion was not so bad...

On a final note
I agree with you
Gerrard59 we need to do better as black people
Be self aware and change the narrative

But with the kind of political elite we currently have in Nigeria smh

@IbeOkehie:

This na twisting the tale. Not worth addressing but there's those who will not think properly and allow themselves to be bamboozled. Neighborhoods are NOT self governing. Everything about Potomac is controlled by Whites. That's the issue, the ability of Black Africans to generate a self governing high HDI collective on a municipal, state, regional or national level. Using your metric, we can as well say yeah your family is upper middle class and that is evidence that Black Africans can generate successful collectives. These are the kinds of Black African arguments that show us why the home of 25% of the Black Race, Nigeria is the Poverty Capital of the World.

We have nothing to discuss anymore, please ignore my comments from now on. I myself do not lie and when I'm mistaken I will admit it. As an Igbo man, our religion and tradition holds that an adult man who lies will meet an unfortunate end. So I won't do it.

Take care and goodbye.

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I thought you said u were not gonna engage me again?

Why did you feel the need to engage me again despite saying you won't?
You can claim I lied all you want
I stand nothing to gain from lying, i just explained to Gerrard59, not you IbeOkehie the context fo which I posted what I posted and why again
I still stand by what I said

If you like, you believe, if you like, no believe, na you sabi
My point has been made, any one who is rational, and not a coon will understand the angle to which I am coming from

He say na "twisting of tale"
Go back to the original post and see what I posted
You are so so consumed by inferiority that you are just quick to post smh

It's your own perogative like I said before

But looking at some of the remarks you even make is just funny

You say you will give me "allowance" for being a UK resident
What does being UK resident have to do with anything in this context now?

Oww, I suppose "civilise" as I am not living amongst "animals anymore abi" lol

You also said that I am consume by "tribal aggrandisement"
Point of correction, I am proud of myself and my people despite all we have gone through, and will not accept wrong narratives that we are inferior in anyways whatsoever
We are just as good as any other group of people, and as Gerrard59 correctly put it, there are great people doing great things in EVERY RACE and groups of humans here

So you and I are just as capable as anyone to achieve great things, if u delete inferiority thinking of self from within, and put in the work
Individuals and even as a collective

Collaborations are going on in the naija vc/finance /corporate naija ecosystem
And if they had self defeatist thinking, how would they have been able to "build anything"

Saying you can't, or you are unable to, is already condemning yourself to failure before you even start

IbeOkehie:
If you can't concede you're wrong on this issue then I must conclude you're not a worthy discussant on ANY subject. You're so swayed by RACE and tribal aggrandizement you can't take statistical reality into account. I would have given you some allowance for being a UK resident but you can't even accept information sourced directly from the US Census Bureau. Besides that, I've been to those places and know one or two people that live in at least one of the locations. My eyes saw what the US Census compiled in their data - both places are overwhelmingly White. Even Asians are a higher population in Potomac than Blacks, that really is interesting, first time I noticed.





This na twisting the tale. Not worth addressing but there's those who will not think properly and allow themselves to be bamboozled. Neighborhoods are NOT self governing. Everything about Potomac is controlled by Whites. That's the issue, the ability of Black Africans to generate a self governing high HDI collective on a municipal, state, regional or national level. Using your metric, we can as well say yeah your family is upper middle class and that is evidence that Black Africans can generate successful collectives. These are the kinds of Black African arguments that show us why the home of 25% of the Black Race, Nigeria is the Poverty Capital of the World.

We have nothing to discuss anymore, please ignore my comments from now on. I myself do not lie and when I'm mistaken I will admit it. As an Igbo man, our religion and tradition holds that an adult man who lies will meet an unfortunate end. So I won't do it.

Take care and goodbye.



The predominantly White district of St George successfully seceded from the majority Black City of Baton Rouge in Louisiana .

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smh for this guy

Oya speak to the many points I have raised
Mba
na to parrot white supremacy and inferiority complex u sabi smh

Goke7:
Africa is wealthy but the problem is that it's not evenly distributed due to cultural norms which one of us has earlier mentioned that if we can do away with some of those cultural norms and religiosity then we can truly generate more wealth, however, this is not a justification for the unnecessary profiling and discrimination we see in the West today, see but for the rule of law that works better in the West, that Italian you mentioned that was sentenced will never happen. And if we start enforcing our laws in Africa, we will see more equity, justice, and fairness which is what can effectively deal with all the issues of tribalism in Africa. Did the UK not toy with the idea of removing themselves from the European Convention of Human Rights (ECHR) to have more leeway in dealing with asylum seekers? that echr is what is making the UK a saner society, remove echr and the UK will become another African jungle. Some things are keeping these folks in check as human behaviour is the same everywhere. Is it not the same US where the cops also kill innocent people, will there ever be a black Lives Matter movement if indeed black lives matter more than in their dominated environment according to you? If wealth truly reduces racism, how come super-wealthy black folks still suffer from racism in the West or do you think they don't?

N:B; You're one person I so much like your write-ups on this forum and I learn so much from you. Just having a health conversation.

@Goke7

I kid you nor
This kind of discussion will not even be a discussion among Indian/Pakistanis people

A lot of black people just have internalised issues they are yet to resolve
So lemme narrate a story for you


Chris Kaba was a delinquent (we accept) and a police man wrongfully shot and killed him in an incident (ill say you research more on the case )
recently the police man who shot him was cleared of any wrong doing, and the Mets are asking for more immunity

Black folks were busy rationalising why this should be the case forgetting that to these guys, it does not matter your status, you will be manhandled if the govt gives the met more powers

my paki friend told me point blank that if it was a Pakistani killed in such a circumstance, that this country will catch fire, and I have seen it play out a few times during my stay in the UK

White people and even the police know better than to mistreat, harass or do anyhow with these south Asians
because they know that they don't accept or take nonsense, and they will burn down this country if dem try them

as those mumu blacks were yapping, quote far right goats were liking and agreeing with them ooo

Now Tommy Robinson days later was convicted of a crime he pled guilty of (after grifting off his supporters) and was sentenced to jail
The same White folks that were saying goof for Kaba, were crying all over saying its not fair
Rationalising why Tommy Robinson should not be punished

there is a White health worker that killed babies here
people are advocating for a soft landing for her despite the heinous thing that she did
Will such be extended to a black person ?

Again, black people I keep saying do not understand the world that they live in
Coonery has eaten deep into the bone and its almost at the point of no return

Again, thanks to (many) Pakistani revolts, minorities can be and live in peace
Assuming it's blacks that were the "majority minority " here, with the exception of the Windrush generation, na so them do dey reason say e good for them and will not fight back

afterall our country is a shytehole and thus we should be treated second classy, according to folks like IbeOkehie

I'm really very proud (almost borderline arrogant) as a black man because I have had good education in good schools across three countries, have had my career and can hold my own anywhere

When that "delve" incident happened on twitter months ago and we pounced on the VC guy
It was the very same argument that Ibe had that he brought out as well....

After we kept pressing and pressing and pressing his neck, he had to capitulate (though Nigerians seeking funding from his firm will be collateral damage because he will never forget that week in his life)

Talking about "if we are so good, bla bla bla, why is our per capital < 5k?
That was immaterial to the discourse and we still gave it to him, with facts and breakdown

The guy could not understand how people from "that kind of country can be so arrogant and hold their own in the face of apparent insult" because again, that "delve" story was a big insult to us, and it should never be accepted

RodgersAkpafu:
@Goke7

I kid you nor
This kind of discussion will not even be a discussion among Indian/Pakistanis people

A lot of black people just have internalised issues they are yet to resolve
So lemme narrate a story for you


Chris Kaba was a delinquent (we accept) and a police man wrongfully shot and killed him in an incident (ill say you research more on the case )
recently the police man who shot him was cleared of any wrong doing, and the Mets are asking for more immunity

Black folks were busy rationalising why this should be the case forgetting that to these guys, it does not matter your status, you will be manhandled if the govt gives the met more powers

my paki friend told me point blank that if it was a Pakistani killed in such a circumstance, that this country will catch fire, and I have seen it play out a few times during my stay in the UK

White people and even the police know better than to mistreat, harass or do anyhow with these south Asians
because they know that they don't accept or take nonsense, and they will burn down this country if dem try them

as those mumu blacks were yapping, quote far right goats were liking and agreeing with them ooo

Now Tommy Robinson days later was convicted of a crime he pled guilty of (after grifting off his supporters) and was sentenced to jail
The same White folks that were saying goof for Kaba, were crying all over saying its not fair
Rationalising why Tommy Robinson should not be punished

there is a White health worker that killed babies here
people are advocating for a soft landing for her despite the heinous thing that she did
Will such be extended to a black person ?

Again, black people I keep saying do not understand the world that they live in
Coonery has eaten deep into the bone and its almost at the point of no return

Again, thanks to (many) Pakistani revolts, minorities can be and live in peace
Assuming it's blacks that were the "majority minority " here, with the exception of the Windrush generation, na so them do dey reason say e good for them and will not fight back

afterall our country is a shytehole and thus we should be treated second classy, according to folks like IbeOkehie

that's the problem, the deep suffering the black race has been subjected to is the reason they easily submit themselves to more oppression and it starts back home with how they have been mishandled by despots who called themselves leaders or politicians so when they found themselves in the West with the privileges they now enjoy, they think they don't merit it that much despite working all manner of shifts and hours. That's why you see them keep supporting Trump who has called them all sorts of names cos to them Trump is just re-echoing what they are used to being called back in Africa. They also think that having more money or wealth is the way out when in reality being rich doesn't insultate you from contempt or oppression. It's a pity and it's a mental health problem that needs a cure. Those who are cured see things differently.

CatchMeIfUCanMO:
Keep kwayet Mr man, it is not an offense for exceptional*** students, and also if the student came in through exchange program from certain countries and for certain education level(PhD), provided he is doing it in partnership with a citizen of that country.

Look at this retard? Probably typing from abule egba on his tecno. Exceptional student drops out and was sleeping in his car abi?
Its fools like you that make people laugh at Nigerians. Ignoramus. Exchange student for doctorate degree? You must be an asshole I swear!!

Trillyonaire:
Are the migrants who are a campaign issue documented or undocumented?
That's my point.

Obviously they are undocumented - what's your point tho?

horlando30:
No it doesn't, under certain circumstances you could legally work with student visa especially if you took permission from the school. And don't forget this was in the nineties the laws were more lenient then. Again, even though he was born south african, he was also canadian through his mother. Different rules applied to them compared to the rest of the world. And he actually has an american root as his grand father is American before moving to south africa. This is just a desperate move by biden and democrats, Its a nothing burger. If they have any case, he would already have been sued to court.

No sir. He never showed up at the university - he was under the radar and was sleeping in his car- for obvious reasons lol. His I20 would have been cancelled and he would be out of status at that point.
And no, he was a South African international student and not Canadian - nationality is by country of birth bro. There's no cleaning this up.

flyinnizam:
who approved it? is it not same US? sue him naa

Obviously he worked it out through an attorney, but it's counterintuitive for him to point to illegals when he also broke the same laws

Professor822714:
Obviously he worked it out through an attorney, but it's counterintuitive for him to point to illegals when he also broke the same laws

as Tinubu na druglord before so.. he go support drug dealers abi?

Goke7:
that's the problem, the deep suffering the black race has been subjected to is the reason they easily submit themselves to more oppression and it starts back home with how they have been mishandled by despots who called themselves leaders or politicians so when they found themselves in the West with the privileges they now enjoy, they think they don't merit it that much despite working all manner of shifts and hours. That's why you see them keep supporting Trump who has called them all sorts of names cos to them Trump is just re-echoing what they are used to being called back in Africa. They also think that having more money or wealth is the way out when in reality being rich doesn't insultate you from contempt or oppression. It's a pity and it's a mental health problem that needs a cure. Those who are cured see things differently.

I'm gonna leave this video here

https://youtube.com/shorts/46qoSvJ4Yco?si=vg4059UW_gSSFMwu

Take a look

Black ppl like you have rightly said have been dehumanised for so damn long to the point where they don't think of themselves as people anymore and and they vehemently resist anything that paints them in good light, no matter how small the win is

The positives our people have been able to come up with regardless of obstacles, dey will fight against it and mot believe it
But negative stereotypes
they wear it as sleeves
It's exhausting to say the really least

@RodgersAkpafu

Thank you so much for your posts. I really appreciate them. They have been uplifting and inspiring. I learnt a lot, no lies. Yes, there are a lot of good institutions and structures we have built in Nigeria - which translates to we can replicate them on a wider scale. The aim should be to do the same on a national scale. I REALLY want to see black societies become wealthy and this has to be from Africa. It would be a thing of pride, especially to blacks elsewhere such as Barbados, Ecuador, Brazil, Suriname, the US, Europe etc. I see how the Chinese are very proud here and walk with their heads high because they know what they are made of and their spending power.

I also loved how people lambasted Paul because it was an over-reaction. However, I am not surprised he came with the per capita rhetoric. To shut his mouth for good would be to build our own VC/PE community just as the Chinese have done.

I understand your explanation about NOI's residence using the FESTAC example. While it the LGA is Yoruba dominated as it is a Yoruba state, there are some streets/neighbourhoods that are exclusively Igbo. This translates to NOI living in black majority area, although in a white area.

Thank you for your time and to Goke7 as well.

P.S. Mr Ibe invested in Nigeria but the socialist system got his fingers hurt. So, I understand where he comes from.

Gerrard59:
@RodgersAkpafu

Thank you so much for your posts. I really appreciate them. They have been uplifting and inspiring. I learnt a lot, no lies. Yes, there are a lot of good institutions and structures we have built in Nigeria - which translates to we can replicate them on a wider scale. The aim should be to do the same on a national scale. I REALLY want to see black societies become wealthy and this has to be from Africa. It would be a thing of pride, especially to blacks elsewhere such as Barbados, Ecuador, Brazil, Suriname, the US, Europe etc. I see how the Chinese are very proud here and walk with their heads high because they know what they are made of and their spending power.

I also loved how people lambasted Paul because it was an over-reaction. However, I am not surprised he came with the per capita rhetoric. To shut his mouth for good would be to build our own VC/PE community just as the Chinese have done.

I understand your explanation about NOI's residence using the FESTAC example. While it the LGA is Yoruba dominated as it is a Yoruba state, there are some streets/neighbourhoods that are exclusively Igbo. This translates to NOI living in black majority area, although in a white area.

Thank you for your time and to Goke7 as well.

P.S. Mr Ibe invested in Nigeria but the socialist system got his fingers hurt. So, I understand where he comes from.

me personally would love to see a great Africa one day but we have to fight for it, Nothing good comes easy.