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samnaija:
Abroad uses hybrid inverter and also use standalone.

Even why compare abroad with us, their heavier load is connected to grid .

They connect their system with the grid, if their system is making or generating excess power it turns their utility meter backwards hence they are suppling to the grid .

When their system is under performing the grid or utility is used. So please why compare we in Nigeria to them. Their inverter virtually does nothing.
But in Nigeria here without grid, same inverter water heater, pumping machine and ac.

jonescosmos:
I'm yet to see a Nigerian who thinks that External CCs are waste of Time and Money in the present day Renewable Energy Systems.

Can your charge controller invert DC to AC when your separate Inverter becomes faulty?, Of what use exactly will your Charge controller be at the point in time?

Please answer sincerely. Except of course you want to tell us about how you can still power your DC gadgets. But outside this, please educate us further.

Dam5reey1:
Sure, was interested until the price is no longer viable.
You self know that at your price, I will have 6.2KVA Hybrid with 6000w MPPT which is equivalent to 120A MPPT now tell me the cost of the 120A separate MPPT.
And I will still cater for battery cable from CC to batteries.

HeavenlyBang:
Money for Felicity 120A MPPT reach to buy 3.5 KVA hybrid with 80A inbuilt normally.

At this point, there's pretty much no value in buying a standalone inverter.

samnaija:
Abroad uses hybrid inverter and also use standalone.

Even why compare abroad with us, their heavier load is connected to grid .

They connect their system with the grid, if their system is making or generating excess power it turns their utility meter backwards hence they are suppling to the grid .

When their system is under performing the grid or utility is used. So please why compare we in Nigeria to them. Their inverter virtually does nothing.
But in Nigeria here without grid, same inverter water heater, pumping machine and ac.

Obnoxious2001:
Is when your hybrid inverters develop faults that you appreciate the stand alone.

Any little fault on hybrid inverter you are look at almost 100k on repair.
Besides you are left completely stranded if you don't have a redundancy plan.
(if you dey this ship go and make plans down storm is coming )

So if you do a comparative cost check, transformer based are cheaper over time



Cable lose is not a factor of Inverter but rather associated devices / application.

Even the HF inverter require you size the wires adequately.

I will still maintain my stand point, a lot of good product exists in the market, but no body is willing to use their money to test them.

So test brand/names make more money onces they cross the threshold.

jonescosmos:
I'm yet to see a Nigerian who thinks that External CCs are waste of Time and Money in the present day Renewable Energy Systems.

Can your charge controller invert DC to AC when your separate Inverter becomes faulty?, Of what use exactly will your Charge controller be at the point in time?

Please answer sincerely. Except of course you want to tell us about how you can still power your DC gadgets. But outside this, please educate us further.

Dam5reey1:
Well, If you use Hybrid like Deye, Growatts and co, Failure rates are very low. Dont be carried away with all these Elcheapeax Hybrid flooding the market, also unprotected installation amongst budget installs and abuse.

4 years running Hybrid zero issue...

HeavenlyBang:
Baseless take. Na you wan spoil am? Pretty much every solar setup I've seen abroad uses a hybrid inverter, and not a transformer-based one. How come those inverters aren't dying every day.

Na so dem say carburetor better pass injectors back in the day.

jonescosmos:
The bolded claims are false sir,

They use grid tied compatible systems which sells back your excess energy back into the grid, Stand alone system does not feed back into the grid.

It is their Inverter that makes this possible contrary to your claim that their inverter does almost nothing. The Inverter converts that excess solar energy to Alternating Current that can be fed back into the grid.

The rotational utility meters does not have bi-directional energy flow capabilities, They have meters that allows energy to flow in both directions in which when you are consuming energy, your account depletes, when you are feeding back energy, your account gets credited, In some countries, you can actually get paid into your bank account from your Grid Energy Feeding,
Since the cost of energy i very expensive in many countries, many people aim to take advantage of these systems and contracts to make money from energy instead of spending on energy.
So after the account is settled, if you have excess, you get paid. All this happens during contract agreements

Dam5reey1:
Gone are the days of Surges on motor equipments.

Unless you really have old tech Applications.

Most applications now run DC brushless motors and more energy efficient tech are been developed.

HF Inverters just work for most applications without stress..

Transformer based devices are dying already.. embrace the new era and save cost..

HeavenlyBang:
Baseless take. Na you wan spoil am? Pretty much every solar setup I've seen abroad uses a hybrid inverter, and not a transformer-based one. How come those inverters aren't dying every day.

Na so dem say carburetor better pass injectors back in the day.

samnaija:
Abroad uses hybrid inverter and also use standalone.

Even why compare abroad with us, their heavier load is connected to grid .

They connect their system with the grid, if their system is making or generating excess power it turns their utility meter backwards hence they are suppling to the grid .

When their system is under performing the grid or utility is used. So please why compare we in Nigeria to them. Their inverter virtually does nothing.
But in Nigeria here without grid, same inverter water heater, pumping machine and ac.

zeestone99:
Of course we all know hybrids are cheaper. That one of the advantages for going hybrid

bassdow:
it's only baseLESS depending on if you a seller or an end user.

Notice say I no dey too follow una argue here again. A lot of us knows the honest truth BUT we prefer keeping denying it when it doesn't suit our interests.

A lot of una wey dey claim installer, are nothing but hustlers, looking to make any money they could lay hands on.
Funny enough, na una sabi find high paying clients BUT then again, una sabi tell them wetin dem wan hear.

zeestone99:
Standalone inverters are stronger than hybrids .
When you hear people say they use a particular inverter for 10yrs straight, they are talking stand alone inverters.
Their Con is it's not as smart as hybrids. Hybrids are smarter and has more functionality.

Peterlove11:
I have tasted both standalone and All in one(HF) inverters......All in one hybrids have my cake anyday. Arguably more efficient and easy data controlling.

HeavenlyBang:
Who be una in the first place?

Question Young People Ask

jonescosmos:
The bolded claims are false sir,

They use grid tied compatible systems which sells back your excess energy back into the grid, Stand alone system does not feed back into the grid.

It is their Inverter that makes this possible contrary to your claim that their inverter does almost nothing. The Inverter converts that excess solar energy to Alternating Current that can be fed back into the grid.

The rotational utility meters does not have bi-directional energy flow capabilities, They have meters that allows energy to flow in both directions in which when you are consuming energy, your account depletes, when you are feeding back energy, your account gets credited, In some countries, you can actually get paid into your bank account from your Grid Energy Feeding,
Since the cost of energy i very expensive in many countries, many people aim to take advantage of these systems and contracts to make money from energy instead of spending on energy.
So after the account is settled, if you have excess, you get paid. All this happens during contract agreements

Obnoxious2001:
The seperate cc will make sure your batteries are charged, while a backup inverter can do the inverting pending when the main system comes up (satchet inverters can remedy this situation)




I have no problem with hf hybrid inverters, but you can not put the transformer based inverter at a disadvantage on the ground of efficiency no Na.

Idle current is not a big problem the way it is portrayed on this thread.

Calling big names inverters, deye and the Geng. This is Nigeria.

If you create a poll here to find out how many deye or whatever has been installed so far this year you will find out they are less than 200. This is because it's mostly enterprises that will/can easily pay for it

But once you call felicity,welion,sms even Sako whey just enter market, you get hear present tire

Omo Yankee and Nigeria no be the same.
Just the same way Yankee dey run PV combiner box even for domestic use, for Nigeria here Na ahead ahead .

Besides @jonesco already gave a valid point why they use hybrid more (net metering)


So with this few points of mine I hope I have been able to entertain you while educating the forum.
Thank you and God bless you
Shalom🙌🏾

mank1234:
HF inverter can be replaced in few hours for those in the city. And probably within 3 days for those in hinterland.
Who needs sachet inverter to remedy any situation?

With the way battery is improving, very soon all-in-one system, HF HV with built in battery will be the order of the day.

justcallmenuel:
17.5kwh 48v felicity lithium battery still available, #3,000,000. Call/whatsapp me on 08168986461

dollarnaira:
Future continuous tense.
Lead acid, pwm, msw are still in the market despite the presence of LifePO4, mppt , psw.

mank1234:
If you follow trends, you'll see that it's here already and would be mainstream in the nearest future.

This thread started in 2010. In those days morningstar,epever,midnight, 150V MPPT cc were the standard. After a while morningstar introduced the 600V expensive version.
Lithium is making serious in road into Nigeria just years after the first group buy here.
When hybrid started, the adoption was slow. And the argument about ease of replacement was true but not anymore. There are as many hybrid as there are standalone in Nigeria. And in some clime, hybrid deployment far exceeds standalone. I think it's cost and knowledge gap that is holding Nigeria back.

I see same argument of ease of replacement against all-in-one system.

mank1234:
HF inverter can be replaced in few hours for those in the city. And probably within 3 days for those in hinterland.
Who needs sachet inverter to remedy any situation?

With the way battery is improving, very soon all-in-one system, HF HV with built in battery will be the order of the day.

dollarnaira:
@ all users of hybrids please what is the lowest starting voltage for hybrids?

This is strictly for knowledge.

dollarnaira:
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Money for Felicity 120A MPPT reach to buy 3.5 KVA hybrid with 80A inbuilt normally.

At this point, there's pretty much no value in buying a standalone inverter.

Can it kick in at 30v ?
Like just with one panel.

Dam5reey:
its needs 36 VOC to start for the version 3kVA version. 300W panels and above even some 250W panels can start

Dam5reey1:
They start as low as the regular controllers.
I shared different types few months back.
15V, 30V, 60V, 90, 120V, 150V..

Obnoxious2001:
If you wear jeans trousers and can drop Benjamins, without grumbling definitely 1-3days will work.

If you wear Ankara with fila, satchet inverter is a very viable option.