₦airaland Forum

sulaak:
Aguiyi Ironsi's decree 34 abolished the regional system in Nigeria.

The military government is not, by definition, unitary, but Ironsi abolished the regional system because he believed that the regions were not loyal to the Nigerian constitution. Gowon exacerbated the problem of the unitary state, but the fault lies with Aguiyi Ironsi's Decree 34

gidgiddy:
“I didn't listen to it, I don't care what Ironsi said, anyone can say anything.”

Christistruth02:
Gen Ironsi is not just anyone

Gen Ironsi your father has just told you he was the one who abolished the Regions in that broadcast

and you are still here saying you don’t care what Gen Ironsi just said ?


Listen to Gen Ironsi again
Start from 28 mins

Get someone to translate it into Igbo language for you to increase your understanding



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYKm_KIJ2s

gidgiddy:
So you can show no law or Decree Ironsi passed to back up your claim?

But you want people to accept spoken words over Gowons Decree 14 and 15 which is in the public domain?

The Lagos/Ibadan expressway media have a funny way of thinking that propaganda still works

gidgiddy:
We are not talking about what name Ironsi's Government or Gowons government decided to to call Nigeria. Nigeria became a Republic on October 1st 1960

We are talking about what abolished the 4 Region's Nigetia had, created states, and removed resource control

Odingo1:
Is a lie, if Ironsi abolished regional government, why is Ojukwu remain the head of eastern region until the war, he led the delegation to Aburi peace accord that met with Gowon in Ghana.

Deadlytruth:
The gazette you upload every now and then does not show any evidence that Gowon tampered with true federalism or resource control. The reason you have never uploaded Ironsi's own is that you know it is full of evidence that Irons abolished federalism and resource control. It is that simple

gidgiddy:
The reason I don't upload Ironsi Decree 34 is because it says nothing about resources nor the boundaries of the 4 Region's. It only talks about the civil service and appointments

Yet you saw Gowons Decree 14 say: "there shall on the commencement of this decree, be created out of the Regions, States To be known by the names in column 1 of the shedule of this decree"

Gowon told you in his own Decree that he is going away with Region's, and creating states

In Gowons Decree 15, he expressly abolished sections 164 and 141 of the constitution, this is resource control and the revenue sharing formula agreed at independence. Gowon the went further in Decree 15 to tell everyone what he would be paying each of the 12 states he had just created. Did you see Uronsi mention money for the Regions in Decree 34?

You can argue all you want but Gowons Decree 14 and 15 are out in public domain to tell all the truth

Deadlytruth:
If Ironsi's gazette doesn't mention anything about the regions and resource control, shouldn't that have been the more reason you should upload it as it would have easily convinced your readers that you are saying the truth? You think you are talking to kids or even fools on Nairaland? Just imagine someone saying he doesn't need to forward any evidence to convince people of his claim. Funny.
So how exactly did you read Gowon's gazette to mean an end to federalism and resource control? Did you see anywhere in the Gowon gazette where federalism was mentioned at all let alone its abolition? Did you see anywhere resource control was mentioned?

Gowon's creation of states didn't end federalism. The meaning of federalism is that the Subnational units of a country (be they named states like in the USA, regions like in the UK, provinces like in Canada, or whatever and wherever) are autonomous and independent of the center. Therefore Gowon's creation of states did not remove federalism since it didn't alter the autonomy and Independence of the states he created. Ironsi created provinces out of the hitherto autonomous regions and took away their autonomy and Independence by subsuming them under his own control from the center. In fact he asked the heads of those provinces to be reporting to him.
Were the premiers of the regions reporting to Tafawa Balewa at the center during the regional system era? A big no.
If Ironsi had liked and he therefore created 1 billion provinces or 5 million groups of provinces and let them inherit the autonomy and Independence of their mother regions, no one would have been accusing him today of dismantling federalism and resource control.
We currently have six regions in Nigeria namely: SS, SW, SE, NW, NE and NC, but does that automatically translate to practicing regional system? A big NO, and that is because the regions are not recognized legally as subnational federating units because they are just groups of states which have no powers or autonomy. That exactly was the situation under Ironsi. So Ironsi destroyed federalism and resource control by dissolving the regions into powerless groups of provinces which were reporting to him at the center.

gidgiddy:
You guys can say whatever you want to say, but Gowons Decree 14 where he abolished the 4 Region's Nigeria had and replaced them with 12 states

And Decree 15 where he removed sections 141 and 164 of the constitution,that is resource control and revenue sharing formula agreed at independence, even stated what he will be paying the new states

Those two Decrees will always be online to tell people the truth

Deadlytruth:
Isn't it funny that you seem not to understand what you read in the section you referenced above? The issue there is what used to be known as distributable pool.
Here is the explanation:
In the Independence Constitution, each region remitted 25% of their revenue to the center, retained 50% for themselves for development, and remitted the remaining 25% to a an account known as distributable pool which would then be shared among them by some formula. This pool obviously had nothing to do with their retained 50%.
Now, in the above decree, Gowon was only explaining that since the subnational units had increased more than the previous number of four, there must be a review of the formula for sharing the distributable pool in order that the newly created subnational units would get a proportional amount to what their mother regions were getting before. It is like previously giving N100 to a region known as Region A, then that Region gets split into two daughter regions now known as Regions C and D. Of course the N100 must now be split into N50 for each of regions C and D. So how does that amount to disrupting the existing arrangement? Or are you suggesting that the N100 must keep being given to only one of the two regions in order not to be 'guilty' of altering the arrangement?
The new subnational units created must get their own percentage of the revenue coming previously to their mother subnational unit, and that must be backed by a new law. That exactly was what Gowon did in that decree 15 and nothing else. He didn't mention anything about the 50% which of course would automatically accrue to the new subnational units by virtue of the revenues now to be generated from within their new boundaries.

gidgiddy:
And all these things were what Gowon promised not to do in Aburi. The Aburi agreement Gowon signed stated that Gowon was not to change the structural arrangement of Nigeria "during the period of Military rule". Ojukwu knew that it was not the duty of military men to be carving up borders or changing the revenue allocation formula agreed at independence. That's the job of civilian rule. Gowons job was to return Nigeria to civilian rule

But Gowon and he fellow Northerners had other plans, to take over Nigeria through 'divide and rule'. So Gowon abandoned the Aburi agreement, started to carve the Region's into states, scrapped the revenue sharing formula, all in a bid to make the centre too strong and pave the way for Northern domination

I don't blame Ojukwu for declaring Biafra and fighting for freedom,only slaves willing accept slavery. But real men get up and fight for freedom, no matter the cost

Deadlytruth:
Another revisionist tale! You think the truth about Aburi Accord is hidden?
In going to Aburi, the most important stated objective was the abrogation of all Ironsi's decrees and restoration of the constitution to exactly how it was prior to the coming of Ironsi. There is no gainsaying therefore that by such agreement, the desire was to return Nigeria to true federalism and a total rejection of all Ironsi's criminal amendments, and no more no less.
But on arrival at Aburi, Ojukwu came with the proposal of Confederacy by which the center would become far weaker than the regions unlike the previous federal arrangement by which they were of nearly equal powers until Ironsi came and made the center far stronger than the regions. In essence, what Nigerians had always wanted was a balance of power between the center and the subnational units in order that they would be able to checkmate each other's excesses since corruption and misgovernance would easily become the order of the day if one is stronger than the other. But Ironsi came and tilted this balance overwhelmingly towards the center. Nigerians rejected it and got him removed from power in retaliation. Then Gowon came and started trying to strike the balance, and Nigerians supported him. But at Aburi, Ojukwu tried to tilt the balance overwhelmingly towards the subnational units, and unfortunately, Gowon being less educated than Ojukwu could not easily grasp that Ojukwu's proposals were meant to disrupt the balance again but this time in favour of the regions even though he had initially supported Ironsi"s tilting of it towards the center thinking his Igbo kinsmen would be in power always.
On return from Aburi, other Nigerian professionals went through the agreement and realized it was against the balanced structure they were hoping to return to, so they rightly and correctly told Gowon to throw the agreement into the dustbin where it rightly belonged. So Nigerians rejected the Aburi Accord hence the narrative that Gowon reneged on it is pure falsehood aimed at justifying Ojukwu's hypocritic declaration of war.
If Ojukwu so much believed in freedom from oppression as you claim, then why did he hold back Isaac Adaka Boro from seeking freedom out of the same oppressive Nigeria under Ironsi? So only Igbos should be free while other tribes suffer under them?

Deadlytruth:
Another revisionist tale! You think the truth about Aburi Accord is hidden?
In going to Aburi, the most important stated objective was the abrogation of all Ironsi's decrees and restoration of the constitution to exactly how it was prior to the coming of Ironsi. There is no gainsaying therefore that by such agreement, the desire was to return Nigeria to true federalism and a total rejection of all Ironsi's criminal amendments, and no more no less.
But on arrival at Aburi, Ojukwu came with the proposal of Confederacy by which the center would become far weaker than the regions unlike the previous federal arrangement by which they were of nearly equal powers until Ironsi came and made the center far stronger than the regions. In essence, what Nigerians had always wanted was a balance of power between the center and the subnational units in order that they would be able to checkmate each other's excesses since corruption and misgovernance would easily become the order of the day if one is stronger than the other. But Ironsi came and tilted this balance overwhelmingly towards the center. Nigerians rejected it and got him removed from power in retaliation. Then Gowon came and started trying to strike the balance, and Nigerians supported him. But at Aburi, Ojukwu tried to tilt the balance overwhelmingly towards the subnational units, and unfortunately, Gowon being less educated than Ojukwu could not easily grasp that Ojukwu's proposals were meant to disrupt the balance again but this time in favour of the regions even though he had initially supported Ironsi"s tilting of it towards the center thinking his Igbo kinsmen would be in power always.
On return from Aburi, other Nigerian professionals went through the agreement and realized it was against the balanced structure they were hoping to return to, so they rightly and correctly told Gowon to throw the agreement into the dustbin where it rightly belonged. So Nigerians rejected the Aburi Accord hence the narrative that Gowon reneged on it is pure falsehood aimed at justifying Ojukwu's hypocritic declaration of war.
If Ojukwu so much believed in freedom from oppression as you claim, then why did he hold back Isaac Adaka Boro from seeking freedom out of the same oppressive Nigeria under Ironsi? So only Igbos should be free while other tribes suffer under them?

Christistruth00:
The Original Broadcast from Ironsi abolishing the Regions is in this Audio .

Start listening from 28 minutes to Gen Ironsi.

He is abolishing the Regions with his full chest!!!!!!!

Realtruth2023 you should have found and presented this Audio yourself but because the evidence is against you you dodged it!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYKm_KIJ2s

The Broadcaster is trying to defend Ojukwu.
There is no evidence anywhere Ojukwu opposed the unification decree until after the Northerners seized power after the Northern Coup.

Realtruth2023:
Oga ask any person in the army whether a Quartermaster General holds keys to armory? Oga try and have sense for once. They shot Unegbe where did they get the rifle to shoot him if he held keys to the armory? Make una try get sense. Also the participation of Major Ademoyega, Capt G.S Adeleke and Lt Fola Oyewole puts to doubt the conspiracy that it was an igbo coup.

gidgiddy:
The Lagos/Ibadan expressway media and their Nothern cohorts have a way of making you laugh at their hypocritical stories

First the said that Decree 34, a mere civil service Decree for 4 Region's that were controlling their resources, and sharing revenue according to what was agreed at independence, had destroyed federalism and brought unitary rule, making the centre too strong

Then at Aburi where an agreement was signed and sealed to make the centre weaker, they still were not happy

So they urged Gowon to abandon an agreement he signed in front of the President of Ghana, General Joe Ankrah. An agreement meant to bring peace and prevent war. So Gowon abolished the 4 Region's altogether, created 12 states, allocated half of them to his Northern Region, abolished sections 141 and 164, resource control and revenue sharing formula and dictated what each state would get. This made the centre unbearably powerful

The same people who had big problem with unification of the civil service, and claimed it amounted to taking huge powers from the 4 Region's, they were the same people clapping for Gowon as he abolished the 4 Region's altogether, created 12 states, abolished resource control and the revenue sharing formula agreed at independence, making the centre unbelievably powerful. This is where they finally found balance 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂

They complained about the centre being too strong, complained about it being too weak, but only became happy when everything was abolished and the centre became strongest after God

Una no go kill me with laughter

Deadlytruth:
Another revisionist tale! You think the truth about Aburi Accord is hidden?
In going to Aburi, the most important stated objective was the abrogation of all Ironsi's decrees and restoration of the constitution to exactly how it was prior to the coming of Ironsi. There is no gainsaying therefore that by such agreement, the desire was to return Nigeria to true federalism and a total rejection of all Ironsi's criminal amendments, and no more no less.
But on arrival at Aburi, Ojukwu came with the proposal of Confederacy by which the center would become far weaker than the regions unlike the previous federal arrangement by which they were of nearly equal powers until Ironsi came and made the center far stronger than the regions. In essence, what Nigerians had always wanted was a balance of power between the center and the subnational units in order that they would be able to checkmate each other's excesses since corruption and misgovernance would easily become the order of the day if one is stronger than the other. But Ironsi came and tilted this balance overwhelmingly towards the center. Nigerians rejected it and got him removed from power in retaliation. Then Gowon came and started trying to strike the balance, and Nigerians supported him. But at Aburi, Ojukwu tried to tilt the balance overwhelmingly towards the subnational units, and unfortunately, Gowon being less educated than Ojukwu could not easily grasp that Ojukwu's proposals were meant to disrupt the balance again but this time in favour of the regions even though he had initially supported Ironsi"s tilting of it towards the center thinking his Igbo kinsmen would be in power always.
On return from Aburi, other Nigerian professionals went through the agreement and realized it was against the balanced structure they were hoping to return to, so they rightly and correctly told Gowon to throw the agreement into the dustbin where it rightly belonged. So Nigerians rejected the Aburi Accord hence the narrative that Gowon reneged on it is pure falsehood aimed at justifying Ojukwu's hypocritic declaration of war.
If Ojukwu so much believed in freedom from oppression as you claim, then why did he hold back Isaac Adaka Boro from seeking freedom out of the same oppressive Nigeria under Ironsi? So only Igbos should be free while other tribes suffer under them?

Deadlytruth:
Everytime you are asked to provide Aguiyi Ironsi s gazette in order that a genuine seeker of the truth can compare it with the Gowon's own you always easily upload in order that he can make his own independent minded deduction as to who destroyed federalism, you resort to accusations of Lagos/Ibadan Expressway media which ironically your Igbo-owned Sun Newspaper is part and parcel of. Is it Lagos/Ibadan Expressway media that holds you back from uploading Iron's gazette?

Christistruth00:
Oga Ironsi didn't abolish the regions. You people in a bid to spread hate cannot differentiate deductive reasoning. He only consolidated the civil service to central command like structure similar to the army. Again if you are sensible and not stupid read and dissect the unitary decree, not the newspaper clips you put. Analyse it word for word, you will see that Ironsi didn't abolish regions.









The Original Broadcast from Ironsi abolishing the Regions is in this Audio .

Start listening from 28 minutes to Gen Ironsi.

He is abolishing the Regions with his full chest!!!!!!!

Realtruth2023 you should have found and presented this Audio yourself but because the evidence is against you you dodged it!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dYKm_KIJ2s

The Broadcaster is trying to defend Ojukwu.
There is no evidence anywhere Ojukwu opposed the unification decree until after the Northerners seized power after the Northern Coup.

Raf4:
Stupidity is a necessity in you people's DNA.
@Christistruth00 just provided the evidence (full broadcasting) of your Aguiyi Ironsi terminating regionalism, yet you're here foaming in the mouth.

Christistruth00:
God Bless you RAf4

Christistruth00:
Go and read the part of Decree 34 that made all the regions now accountable to Gen Ironsi

Kdon2:
Na you brain dey pain. Your brain is working in reverse.

Believeintruth:
Bless who. God curses liars and people who spread hate like you.

Believeintruth:
Naturally you don't have sense he didn't provide any evidence. Bring the unitary decree let me and him analyse it word for word. Ironsi didn't abolish regions in the true sense of the work.
But again I don't you that has no sense to comprehend.

Raf4:
Dingbat! Provide your evidence here and stop foaming in yhe mouth.
Someone provided the recorded live broadcast of Ironsi to buttress his point, yet you're still churning out lies from your rotten anụs.

Raf4:
So in a nutshell, you're under the curses being a bloody liar

Believeintruth:
You and the other guy that liked your comment are stupid walahi. If you need proof go and dissect the unitary decree. He didn't abolish the regions he changed the nomenclature to say that regions will be called a collection of provinces to be governed by a provincial administrator instead of governor. Now please what is the definition of a region? A region is a collection of provinces, which is exactly what Ironsi said in his unitary decree.
Once again try get sense and stop being stupid.