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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by MondayOmoAdugbo(m): 10:50am On Nov 05, 2024

All those kind 2odds wey go tear ticket

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by AbuTwins: 10:55am On Nov 05, 2024

Kukutente23:
Same with Nigeria's rule of 25% in 24 states

It's to ensure spread

How is that the same as Electoral College votes?

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Broveens42(m): 10:56am On Nov 05, 2024*

Difrent:
The black man is regarded as 3/4 of a human being in determining the number of electoral college votes a state gets

Such a bias system....

That concept exposed the pseudo nature of democracy in America (because of population retention)

Democracy= Highest.....it is quantitative.
Adding any qualitative factor shows its cohesive existence should be reviewed

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by franvincoop: 11:00am On Nov 05, 2024

It's not the same as Nigeria.
You cannot have the highest number of votes in Nigeria without having 25% in 2/3 states.
It's impossible.
No one ever has and no one ever will.
I said it before and I am saying it again, Americans are the greatest hypocrites in the world followed by Muslims and Christians.
Americans claim democracy is a game of numbers, the majority vote wins and 1 man 1 vote but in reality votes in many states are more equal than votes in other states going by the electoral college which is inherently racist ab initio.

Kukutente23:
Same with Nigeria's rule of 25% in 24 states

It's to ensure spread

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by davit: 11:00am On Nov 05, 2024

Cheating system!

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Salisu19(m): 11:01am On Nov 05, 2024

The Americans Claimed to be the Father of Democracy, is this really a democracy if I may ask? How can the vote of just 538 people Overide the vote of millions of people huh

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Chazzyboy: 11:02am On Nov 05, 2024

Where is the democracy?

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by AntiChristian: 11:03am On Nov 05, 2024

Electoral College magic!

Some states are bigger than the others!

Discrimination!

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Broveens42(m): 11:04am On Nov 05, 2024

Kukutente23:
Same with Nigeria's rule of 25% in 24 states

It's to ensure spread

Exactly how Nigeria copied false democracy but didn't copy the one of resource control ..

Introducing a second criteria in an election is already equal to bias; a very perfect way of rigging an election to make it difficult to upturn in a law Court.

If it is quantitative (which is what true democracy represents), you could have solved two things;
1. Determine if the country truely practices democracy or may consider referendum
2. Very easy to prove that popular candidates rigged a presidential election, with unlikely winners announced

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by shoodboi2: 11:05am On Nov 05, 2024

Okeke3595:
Trump the winner

You people are betting on the US president again? Can someone win and lose money with these types of bet or is this a joke?

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by 23Ju: 11:05am On Nov 05, 2024

My question now is why not go straight and use the electoral college vote instead of bother about the popular vote since it won't count.

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by gassbee: 11:06am On Nov 05, 2024

The newer genaration may one day scrap dat voting pattern

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by thatigboman: 11:06am On Nov 05, 2024

Kukutente23:
Same with Nigeria's rule of 25% in 24 states

It's to ensure spread

it's different. In Nigeria first u have to have the highest votes cast before 25%. But in US, u may not have the highest votes but will still be declared winner

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by sevenhundred(m): 11:10am On Nov 05, 2024

Kukutente23:
Same with Nigeria's rule of 25% in 24 states

It's to ensure spread

no, its not about spread like nigeria,, they want the most important state to determined the winner, let say in Nigeria we have states like lagos, rivers,kano, oyo, delta, anambra, enugu will determined the winner apc will not win in Nigeria.

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Ezedgreat: 11:11am On Nov 05, 2024

then why they did not procced to electoral collage instead of waisting presious time and resources for people to vote

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Whobedatte(m): 11:13am On Nov 05, 2024

I think a multicultural and ethnic state like Lagos and Abuja should be a deciding factor in Nigerian election s subsequently.
These two are consists of highly educated Nigerians
You must win at least one of these two to be declared a winner.
Democracy is a game of numbers but it still faults in a way where a state or states where the majority of its people are not educated at least minimum of secondary education get to decide the polling result because of large population.
This just my opinion

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by package7(m): 11:14am On Nov 05, 2024

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Bone147: 11:15am On Nov 05, 2024

Trump will fail.
As an immigrant,we don't need Trump

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Pearl1910: 11:19am On Nov 05, 2024*

Electoral College is good, should be replicated in Nigeria. Educated people in Lagos, Abuja and PH cannot be ruled by the decision of largely illiterates and ignorant people in Niger, Katsina, Kano, Jigawa. This cancels mob control.
The most enlightened and educated states should have more weight on their votes.
It was in that same spirit that the writers of our constitution said a candidate must have 25% in 25 States and FCT before he/she can be declared President. But our judges had other ideas in d last election.

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by AlbertNewton: 11:22am On Nov 05, 2024

Strictlygreen:
Can anyone break this down further? Because I don't understand Shiite!

Each of the 50 states in the US is given some points (known technically as electoral college votes). Furthermore, the points vary from state to state, based relatively on the population of each state. California has the highest electoral college votes (54 points), while a number of states have just 3 points which is the lowest.
After the actual votes (casted by millions of people) in each state is counted, the candidate with the highest votes in a state will get all the electoral college votes of that state. So if for instance, 10million people vote Harris in California and 7million vote for Trump, Harris will have all the 54 points from California while Trump has 0. At the end of the day when all their points from all the states are added together, the candidate with the highest points (electoral college votes) will be declared as the winner.

So what the OP is explaining is that it is possible for a candidate to have higher actual votes (if you count the total number of people that voted for him/her), but lower electoral college votes (the points from all the states where the candidate has higher votes). And as far as winning US presidential election is concerned constitutionally, electoral college votes is superior to the actual human votes. But of course, there's a strong correlation between the two.

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Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Adakintroy: 11:24am On Nov 05, 2024

techbro1:
Make una comot mouth for wetin no concern una

Feminism and bobriski and rampaging atheistism on this forum never show you say american life don de cross ove rto yiur own shores.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Nobody: 11:26am On Nov 05, 2024

lovediehatelive:
When election is conducted, it's usually majority that wins, that is the candidate with the highest number of votes.

For instance, If 50 million people voted and a candidate gets 27 million votes while the other gets 23 million votes, it's safe to say the one with 27 million votes is the winner, but that's not the same in USA.

Yes, there's what's called the electoral college. It's just like assigning some numbers to each of the 50 states in America

The electoral college votes are 538 in total, and the winner needs just 270 to be declared winner.

Interestingly, some states, for instance, could have as high as 23, while others could have as low as 4.

Again, if, for example 50m votes are recorded and one candidate gets 30 million votes while the other gets 20 million votes, the one with 20 million votes could still be declared winner if the candidate wins in most of the states with higher electoral college votes.

Surprised?

It happened in 2016.
Hillary Clinton won by majority, but Donald Trump was declared winner because of higher electoral votes.

Why this happens mostly is if there's a slim margin in a state, for instance, if candidate ""A"" gets 3 million votes, while candidate ""B"" gets 2 million votes, and the electoral college votes for that particular state is just 4.

Now, if candidate ""B"" wins like 2 states with a tight margin of 1 million votes or so, and these two states have electoral college votes of 20 and 30 respectively, then candiate ""A"" wins 4 states with low electoral college votes each, you'll see that the 2 states won by candidate ""B"" gives a combined 50 electoral votes, while combining the 4 states won by candidate ""A"" gives less, just 16 electoral votes!

As you can see, in 2016, Hillary Clinton got the majority votes (65 million), while Donald Trump got 62 million votes. But Trump was declared winner because he had the highest electoral college votes, 304, compared to Clinton that got 227.

So it's not actually the total number of votes that matters, but the total number of states with the highest electoral votes!

Why the need for popular votes when it would be overruled by electoral college?

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by press9jatv(m): 11:27am On Nov 05, 2024

Trump wins the popular votes and electoral college votes too.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Owaincouncil: 11:31am On Nov 05, 2024

I think we have same system here in Nigeria too but under different toga. For instance the person who scored the highest number if vote will not be declared winner too in Nigeria except you 25% votes in the ⅔ of the 36 states.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by chris51(f): 11:33am On Nov 05, 2024

lovediehatelive:
It's a two edged sword, but I believe any candidate that wins the popular vote with over 5 million margin would definitely clinch the electoral votes

It's not true.
Hillary Clinton defeated Trump with over 3 million votes but still lost.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by ebenholer2(m): 11:33am On Nov 05, 2024

Elzazzi:
So who are those that votes in this electoral college ?

In the United States, the Electoral College is the group of presidential electors that is formed every four years during the presidential election for the sole purpose of voting for the president and vice president. The process is described in Article Two of the Constitution of United States.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by chris51(f): 11:33am On Nov 05, 2024

Berezuski:
Indirectly; Kamala May Have The Highest Votes, But Trump May be Declared Winner
Save This Here
TRUMP All The Way!

No way for Trump.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by chris51(f): 11:35am On Nov 05, 2024

techbro1:
Make una comot mouth for wetin no concern una

I agree.
Those who have nothing to do with America are running mouth than citizens of America

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by jaxxy(m): 11:39am On Nov 05, 2024

lovediehatelive:
This stuff is somehow sha.

Sometimes it favours the democrats, sometimes it favours the republicans

electoral colleges actually makes sense so that a region ot state with more people or higher population doesn't have an unfair advantage over others.

Re: US Election: Why A Candidate Could Have Highest Votes But Still Lose by Strictlygreen: 11:41am On Nov 05, 2024

AlbertNewton:
Each of the 50 states in the US is given some points (known technically as electoral college votes). Furthermore, the points vary from state to state, based relatively on the population of each state. California has the highest electoral college votes (54 points), while a number of states have just 3 points which is the lowest.
After the actual votes (casted by millions of people) in each state is counted, the candidate with the highest votes in a state will get all the electoral college votes of that state. So if for instance, 10million people vote Harris in California and 7million vote for Trump, Harris will have all the 54 points from California while Trump has 0. At the end of the day when all their points from all the states are added together, the candidate with the highest points (electoral college votes) will be declared as the winner.

So what the OP is explaining is that it is possible for a candidate to have higher actual votes (if you count the total number of people that voted for him/her), but lower electoral college votes (the points from all the states where the candidate has higher votes). And as far as winning US presidential election is concerned constitutionally, electoral college votes is superior to the actual human votes. But of course, there's a strong correlation between the two.

Oh! I get it now. Thanks.

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