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Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Jayhome24: 7:37am On Nov 06, 2024
Why are North primarily rejecting this tax bill but Hisbah can destroy beers in Kano and someone down South paid the tax for the product they confiscated and destroyed ba?
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Bluntemperor: 7:41am On Nov 06, 2024
Heavensake1:
Why is northern governors against it? Why should they determine the withdrawal?
I pity the Nigerian- Structure:
Las,last,the Southerners will learn by fire ,force,that anything Northerners support is always for their elites,Not in the interests of Nigeria itself!
While the Southerners pay VAT on Brewing of beer,they shared the Revenue with the North and they take it without objection but they hardly pay VAT on their own goods!
They easily give excuses for themselves ( the elite),not for the People- see what Ndume and others are saying!
While the Southerners are divided for Political reasons,the North is always using this as a weapon( perfectly Divide and Rule Mantra) to advanced their cause e.g when they Vote- by using the Minors at All the Elections,the same without restraint,the South continues to divide themselves on what the Law says on the Minors.Why should Minor be used at all in any event in Nigeria?
Make Una continue ,I pity the Southerners!
If today,the Southerners are United in anything,you will always prevail.
Unfortunately,the Southerners are always blowing Grammar e.g look at -TETFUND- who gets the Maximum Slot? Who owns the Oil,but who is enjoying the benefits most?
-Who gets the highest -NELFUND- for Education?
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by tete7000(m): 7:42am On Nov 06, 2024
Tinubu should go and sit down. He cannot come and be implementing policies he once led opposition to reject. He can't talk from the two sides of his mouth, he can't eat his cake and have it. He is morally handicapped to implement most of the policies he is championing because he is now in power. He cannot continue to unleash hardship on people by increasing taxes. All these won't end well for him and his administration.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by shedy03(m): 7:47am On Nov 06, 2024
HgAkpobomeEr:
The bills will stay and pass.
It's still politics, game of number.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by poseidon12: 7:48am On Nov 06, 2024
CrossRhodes:
You are making his point.
They have seen it, consulted with nigerians and hardship is much.
So it will be rejected

Abi you didn't read the article?
When did they consult Nigerians?
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Obere4u: 8:15am On Nov 06, 2024
tundegan:
Tinubu should just focus on educating the populace on the need for the tax reform.

When people understand the benefits, they will support it.
Where opposition have the majority of citizens? They won’t support it.

In this country, I have learnt that most times the politicians are not in support of any bill from the presidency, then the bill is a good bill and should be supported.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Cmeo(m): 8:57am On Nov 06, 2024
Nigerians are watching our national assembly members to see what they would do to a bill a affect our national assembly members (and others on their wealth category) most and not majority of Nigerians.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by InvertedHammer: 9:03am On Nov 06, 2024
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A government that is killing businesses wants to increase taxation when inflation is already destroying people's personal economy.

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Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by adanny01(m): 9:07am On Nov 06, 2024
Zooposki:
We from the South need to separate from this people. If not, development will be hard for us. Let them go and practice their sharia in peace.
I am sure you have no idea what this tax bill entails. It will end in tax for food that you currently dont pay.

As a local farmer in your back yard, govt can come for tax.

You think its about northerners vs southerners, its far from that. Its just serious tax for Nigerians.

Even before he became became president, he said "lets widen the tax net". The bill is about widening the tax net to things that are currently exempted from tax, no 1 in the list is farm produce.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Zooposki(f): 9:19am On Nov 06, 2024
adanny01:
I am sure you have no idea what this tax bill entails. It will end in tax for food that you currently dont pay.

As a local farmer in your back yard, govt can come for tax.

You think its about northerners vs southerners, its far from that. Its just serious tax for Nigerians.

Even before he became became president, he said "let’s widen the tax net". The bill is about widening the tax net to things that are currently exempted from tax, no 1 in the list is farm produce.
Why won’t you pay taxes on your profits/earnings? Food is VAT Exempt.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by bentenny(m): 9:23am On Nov 06, 2024
U cannot tax an already impoverished populace!
Subsidy has been removed from electricity and pms implying that transport cost and electric bill increased by over 250%
These two costs affect the prices of goods and services!
Now he wants to tax the same country after his kinsmen have been screaming ebinpawa ohh!
I don't blame the president....I blame most Nigerians who are still embroiled in ethnic and religious bigotry instead of going out to protest against these wicked policies of government!
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by NSK4U(m): 9:32am On Nov 06, 2024
Let's see who has bigger balls on this tax matter
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by adanny01(m): 10:05am On Nov 06, 2024
Zooposki:
Why won’t you pay taxes on your profits/earnings? Food is VAT Exempt.
VAT is not for profit/earnings.

VAT is consumption tax. VAT is the tax you pay when you buy a goods or service. Why is there a VAT exemption on food? Its actually a form of subsidy. It this tax bill passes, those states that produce goods and services in large scale which are on tax exempt will be missing out on the VAT revenue even when the other states that their produce is not on VAT exempt will be cashing out even when consuming the goods and services that are VAT exempted.

The bill will cause an agitation to remove all VAT exemptions thereby causing us to pay more VAT. That is direct increase in hardship for Nigerians no matter the state you are.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by CorrectionFLuid: 10:28am On Nov 06, 2024
Zooposki:
We from the South need to separate from this people. If not, development will be hard for us. Let them go and practice their sharia in peace.
Have you understood the bill?
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Flexyup: 10:29am On Nov 06, 2024
mrvitalis:
There is no South in Nigeria please

We have 6 zones be specific... I trust some northerners more than some southerners
We no even know you sef
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Eniitankorede: 11:09am On Nov 06, 2024
CrossRhodes:
You are making his point.
They have seen it, consulted with nigerians and hardship is much.
So it will be rejected

Abi you didn't read the article?
What aspect of it is bad? Remember that he is just whipping up sentiments, no VAT increases for poor common people in that bill. They are just fighting for how much comes to their pockets. Not for common people. Go and check the bill to confirm my statements.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Kukutente23: 11:19am On Nov 06, 2024
LegendHero:
Ndume own no pass to dey talk without action.

The tax bill shall pass. All his noise hold no substance coz even him will vote Yes to the bill when the time comes.

By the way, I don’t want to say a whole Senator is mentally handicapped. Where did he see in the bill that FG is taxing people more? If not mental problem, how will the north not be able to afford to pay tax when the bill basically is still going to retain current tax percentage paid by average Nigerians?
The VAT rate will increase
Also new taxes are being codified like radio tax
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by LegendHero(m): 11:24am On Nov 06, 2024
Kukutente23:
The VAT rate will increase
Also new taxes are being codified like radio tax
The VAT rate final increase to 15% was set to year 2030.

The new tax law also propose zero VAT on food, education, and healthcare.

Corporate income tax will also reduce from 30% to 25% within 2 years.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by commoditiesnig(m): 12:06pm On Nov 06, 2024
Brilliant analysis sir. I also support the Tax bill. I read through the bills shared online, fantastic work!

Lanruze:
The Tax Reform bill which is one of the most carefully crafted document and impressive tax collection proposal will go down as the second (2nd) biggest achievement of the PBAT led Administration after the Local Government autonomy bill.

The Taiwo Oyedele led Tax reform committee did a fantastic one (1) year detailed proposal to the President in ensuring that a fair " Derivative" based tax model is adopted in Nigeria.

I watched Seun Okinbaloye's interview with Senator Alli Ndume and I weep for the kind of leaders been produced from the North. It's a shame that a high ranking Senator and respected one would come on National TV and boast that a document he has not read is "dead on arrival".

Enough of the "feeding bottle" model of resource sharing in Nigeria.

Most initiatives or proposal that encourage creative thinking and equitable resource allocation is always resisted by the lazy and unproductive Governors and Elite.

I totally support the implementation of the Tax Reform bill as it will improve healthy competition amongst states whilst encouraging creative ways of generating revenue.

VAT is a consumption tax and would be earned by states where the consumption takes place.

British American Tobacco (BAT) products are one of the the most heavily taxed with a significant chunk of the consumption in the core North.

Similarly the Fintechs with mobile money operations are also taxed and the VAT earned by originating states.

What is Alli Ndumes problem and his northern misguided lots ?

The North shouldn't trigger the polity please.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Zooposki(f):
adanny01:
VAT is not for profit/earnings.

VAT is consumption tax. VAT is the tax you pay when you buy a goods or service. Why is there a VAT exemption on food? Its actually a form of subsidy. It this tax bill passes, those states that produce goods and services in large scale which are on tax exempt will be missing out on the VAT revenue even when the other states that their produce is not on VAT exempt will be cashing out even when consuming the goods and services that are VAT exempted.

The bill will cause an agitation to remove all VAT exemptions thereby causing us to pay more VAT. That is direct increase in hardship for Nigerians no matter the state you are.
Did I say VAT is TAX on profits/Earnings?

The farmers should sell their crops at a nice profit and pay their taxes on the profits/earnings. Why should they clamor for VAT again? Are they selling their goods for free? If they don’t want to sell we will grow our foods in the south and import the rest. They can sell their foodstuffs to Niger and ask the Niger government to give them their VAT money, but the Nigerian government will still tax them on their profits/earnings.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by CrossRhodes: 1:02pm On Nov 06, 2024
Lithiumite:
You screaming hardship is much,how much tax do you pay to the govt yearly and do you even have any idea about the tax reform bill being talked about....the poorest people down the ladder are even tax exempt but the rich gets taxed more and revenue sharing would be derivation based,that's the main reason the north is opposing the bill because they would no longer be getting free allocations from VAT,you only get what you bring to the table.....imagine Kano with the highest number of LGAs of 44 not generating a penny from them in 2023 but collecting far more allocation than cross river and Edo who are in the niger delta where oil comes from.
I actually have a Tax Identification number.
do you?
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by galantjoe(m): 2:00pm On Nov 06, 2024
Lithiumite:
Essential commodities are tax exempt and many people would live without buying goods or services with VAT.

If you want do big boy,pay for it.....farmers have been suffering for long by being paid peanuts for their produce while middlemen are living fat in the cities to their detriment.....now I see farmers earning millions and they are happy about it.
There are direct and indirect incidence of tax. Those big boys will pay the tax as you rightly said which is direct incidence of tax. They will then shift the burden to those peasants or low class citizens which will finally bear the tax.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Lithiumite: 2:22pm On Nov 06, 2024
galantjoe:
There are direct and indirect incidence of tax. Those big boys will pay the tax as you rightly said which is direct incidence of tax. They will then shift the burden to those peasants or low class citizens which will finally bear the tax.
I agree with youHowever,it would be watered down and won't have as much effect as if it were direct.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Lithiumite: 2:25pm On Nov 06, 2024
CrossRhodes:
I actually have a Tax Identification number.
do you?
That's the easiest thing to get,you dumbo.... Far easier than NIN,DL or IP grin
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by akigbemaru: 3:20pm On Nov 06, 2024
odejimioflagos:
Tinubu should not withdraw the bills.

Let the lawmakers do their job and scrutinize the bills. If they find it beneficial to the country, they should pass it. If they find it detrimental, they should reject it.

Simple.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by akigbemaru: 3:42pm On Nov 06, 2024
Lanruze:
The Tax Reform bill which is one of the most carefully crafted document and impressive tax collection proposal will go down as the second (2nd) biggest achievement of the PBAT led Administration after the Local Government autonomy bill.

The Taiwo Oyedele led Tax reform committee did a fantastic one (1) year detailed proposal to the President in ensuring that a fair " Derivative" based tax model is adopted in Nigeria.

I watched Seun Okinbaloye's interview with Senator Alli Ndume and I weep for the kind of leaders been produced from the North. It's a shame that a high ranking Senator and respected one would come on National TV and boast that a document he has not read is "dead on arrival".

Enough of the "feeding bottle" model of resource sharing in Nigeria.

Most initiatives or proposal that encourage creative thinking and equitable resource allocation is always resisted by the lazy and unproductive Governors and Elite.

I totally support the implementation of the Tax Reform bill as it will improve healthy competition amongst states whilst encouraging creative ways of generating revenue.

VAT is a consumption tax and would be earned by states where the consumption takes place.

British American Tobacco (BAT) products are one of the the most heavily taxed with a significant chunk of the consumption in the core North.

Similarly the Fintechs with mobile money operations are also taxed and the VAT earned by originating states.

What is Alli Ndumes problem and his northern misguided lots ?

The North shouldn't trigger the polity please.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by nedekid: 3:46pm On Nov 06, 2024
tundegan:
Tinubu should just focus on educating the populace on the need for the tax reform.

When people understand the benefits, they will support it.
Yeah, the benefit of politicians been able to buy 500m landcruiser bullet proof vehicles, acquire properties, buy 400 seater airliner as private jet. Abegi, we do not want to hear. We sell oil, they charge in dollar equivalent to clear good from port etc. All those heavy taxes already in place should be used, they should noy come and disturb us.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by adanny01(m):
Zooposki:
Did I say VAT is TAX on profits/Earnings?

The farmers should sell their crops at a nice profit and pay their taxes on the profits/earnings. Why should they clamor for VAT again? Are they selling their goods for free? If they don’t want to sell we will grow our foods in the south and import the rest. They can sell their foodstuffs to Niger and ask the Niger government to give them their VAT money, but the Nigerian government will still tax them on their profits/earnings.
You dont seem to understand tax. VAT is paid when you buy, income tax is paid when you profit or earn. Farmers pay neither of the tax, its called VAT exemption. It means FG doesn't collect either VAT or income tax for the local production of food or the profit and earnings made by farmers.

Why won’t you pay taxes on your profits/earnings?
This is what you said. And I am telling you that that is not the issue at all. It is not tax on profit or earnings that this bill is about, it is VAT. VAT is a different tax to income tax. If you get a contract today you will see 2 tax, normally refered to as VAT and Tax. VAT is consumption tax and the other Tax is income tax. You will be charged for both.

Back to the topic, you think because Northerners are the ones talking, this bill will not affect the south? Particularly the South South. Exon mobil for instance, operates in the South South but their corporate office is in Lagos, their VAT is paid in Lagos and when this bill succeeds, it is Lagos state that will get a percentage of their VAT. That is an unfair displacement of the revenue of South South to the South west. The same thing applies for everything produced by companies in all states but the company corporate HQ in Lagos pays the VAT while Lagos collects the huge percentage.

The bill actually favours mainly Lagos state followed by Ogun state.

What you should know is that, when this bill passess, there are very many VAT that will be paid by what you consume in all states of Nigeria but its Lagos state government that will benefit.

This beer tax that you guys have been talking about saying the north doesn't drink beer but collect the tax, most of the tax now will go to Lagos state and Ogun. It is not only the north that it will affect. The more you drink Guinness stout in Port harcourt, the more money Lagos state gets. The more Coca Cola you drink in Borno, the more money Lagos gets. The more you fly out of Owerri airport, the more money Lagos gets. The more Dangote Cement you buy, anywhere in Nigeria, it is the more Lagos state gets.

You gerrit?
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Okoroawusa: 4:01pm On Nov 06, 2024
Okay nah...We shall see
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by Okoroawusa: 4:03pm On Nov 06, 2024
adanny01:
This is what you said. And I am telling you that that is not the issue at all. It is not tax on profit or earnings that this bill is about, it is VAT. VAT is a different tax to income tax. If you get a contract today you will see 2 tax, normally refered to as VAT and Tax. VAT is consumption tax and the other Tax is income tax. You will be charge for both.

Back to the topic, you think because Northerners are the ones talking, this bill will not affect the south? Particularly the South South. Exon mobil for instance, operates in the South South but their corporate office is in Lagos, their VAT is paid in Lagos and when this bill succeeds, it is Lagos state that will get a percentage of their VAT. That is an unfair displacement of the revenue of South South to the South west. The same thing applies for everything produced by companies in all states but the company corporate HQ in Lagos pays the VAT while Lagos collects the huge percentage.

The bill actually favours mainly Lagos state followed by Ogun state.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by adanny01(m): 4:12pm On Nov 06, 2024
Okoroawusa:
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about
Go read the bill and if you understand it, come back and tell me what you think.
Re: Why Tinubu’s Tax Reform Bills Are ‘Dead On Arrival’ In NASS – Ndume by MomohMrMoore: 4:48pm On Nov 06, 2024
You milk a healthy cow. You cant milk a cow that is very hungry, very sick, very weak, barely able to walk.You have to feed the cow first, make it healthy, then you can milk it.
Tinubu have tax collectors as economic men. Only thing they know is tax tax, tax. The only economic policy us to increase tax. The economy is dying and dying by the day, but they dont care. Companies are folding up, inflation galloping, food out of reach. They dont care. Only thing is for government to have more money to meet its expenditures. They dont know that it is revenue and expenditures of the citizens that keep the economy moving more than the revenues and expenditures of the government. Private sector is the engine of the economy, not the government or the public sector.
NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OUT OF THESE TINUBU POLICIES. The country is doomed with these policies of high energy cost and excruciating tax
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