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spiSeyi:
Trump copied Tinubu politicking by using religion( campaigning against LGBTQ and abortion which resonate with the the US majority oldies bcs the US was founded on the Christian values), and racism/tribalism (Trump campaigned that he will deport the immigrants which as become a bane of fair among the US citizens and an average white American is a racist ). He then rode to power despite been rejected and unpopular with a lot of controversies.
So when you look carefully into Trump victory he played the religious and tribal card like Tinubu, I just hope that he won't end up becoming the T-pain of the USA

See as you just dey spew rubbish and falsehoods. Which beer parlor fed you this kind of garbage?

DeepSight:
If there is anyone who is more obnoxious, disgusting and reprehensible than Trump, it is Vance. A person who described Trump as Hitler (oh you will forget that in all your condemnation of people who call Trump Hitler) but makes a radical about turn to worship him once he sees the chance to ascend through him is the worst and lowest of hypocritical opportunists. He is exactly the same as the Reno Omokris and Daniel Bwalas of Nigeria in that respect in terms of what those people have done re: Tinubu.

But it goes beyond being such a despicable turn coat and scavenger for power willing to abandon his own principles at the drop of a hat. Doubtless you will say he has seen the light and legitimately changed his mind. In that regard I hope you extend the same benefit of doubt to Reno and Bwala.

As I said it goes beyond that. Being able to insult childless people for being childless takes the cake. Suggesting that a childless person should have less rights and has less stakes is disgusting. Using phrases like "childless cat lady" is beyond tasteless, it speaks to a psychopathic willingness to mock even those who may be suffering a deficiency which is just reprobate.

Donald Trump is an appalling and low life character. It is hard to be worse than him, save you are a killer (I appreciated your example of George W. Being worse - that was true - but Donald is not done yet and George was only worse on one account and that is Iraq).

JD Vance is an unprincipled scoundrel of the worse kind.

Your write up is clearly the painful expression of a loser. Shame on you. You will live with Trump who orchestrated the GREATEST POLITICAL COMEBACK for the next four years and after that Vance will continue the true American values that Democrats wanted to destroy.. So brace up.

zipamowei:
Your write up is clearly the painful expression of a loser. Shame on you. You will live with Trump who orchestrated the GREATEST POLITICAL COMEBACK for the next four years and after that Vance will continue the true American values that Democrats wanted to destroy.. So brace up.

What makes you think I will live with either of them? I am not American and I don't even plan to visit.

Save to the extent to which they may influence global affairs, and that will still be remote from my personal life.

Needless to say, one such as yourself could only cry "loser" without touching on any of the points made, be it from Vance calling Trump Hitler before bending the knee or mocking childless people.

You are simply vacant.

DeepSight:
If there is anyone who is more obnoxious, disgusting and reprehensible than Trump, it is Vance. A person who described Trump as Hitler (oh you will forget that in all your condemnation of people who call Trump Hitler) but makes a radical about turn to worship him once he sees the chance to ascend through him is the worst and lowest of hypocritical opportunists. He is exactly the same as the Reno Omokris and Daniel Bwalas of Nigeria in that respect in terms of what those people have done re: Tinubu.

But it goes beyond being such a despicable turn coat and scavenger for power willing to abandon his own principles at the drop of a hat. Doubtless you will say he has seen the light and legitimately changed his mind. In that regard I hope you extend the same benefit of doubt to Reno and Bwala.

As I said it goes beyond that. Being able to insult childless people for being childless takes the cake. Suggesting that a childless person should have less rights and has less stakes is disgusting. Using phrases like "childless cat lady" is beyond tasteless, it speaks to a psychopathic willingness to mock even those who may be suffering a deficiency which is just reprobate.

Donald Trump is an appalling and low life character. It is hard to be worse than him, save you are a killer (I appreciated your example of George W. Being worse - that was true - but Donald is not done yet and George was only worse on one account and that is Iraq).

JD Vance is an unprincipled scoundrel of the worse kind.

Jeez. You sound like someone bitten by woke virus
All your grouse with Vance has to do with him calling his political opponents names. You make it sound like he called them barren. He was referring to the lifestyle they chose. Why am I defending him anyway?
You don't have a problem with Trump being called racist and rapist which are lies but you have a problem with childless ladies being called childless?
Cmon man. You need to come off the leftist train. Never good for mental health

Kukutente23:
Jeez. You sound like someone bitten by woke virus
All your grouse with Vance has to do with him calling his political opponents names. You make it sound like he called them barren. He was referring to the lifestyle they chose. Why am I defending him anyway?
You don't have a problem with Trump being called racist and rapist which are lies but you have a problem with childless ladies being called childless?
Cmon man. You need to come off the leftist train. Never good for mental health

Trump is both racist and a rapist. A court found him a rapist. So there.

As for the racist thing, as you know, I have sworn never to debate that with you. It is worse than debating someone who says the Earth does not circumnavigate the sun.

Oh, and you need to come off the far right train. Not good for mental health. (Hint: you see how easy it is to say that in response to anything?)

Needless to say you are silent on the fact that this Vance called this same Trump Hitler. Something you go around condemning "leftists" for vigorously. Why so silent on Vance? You think he had a road to Damascus experience?

You are beyond funny. Just extend that benefit of doubt to Reno and Bwala as I said. Thank you.

DeepSight:
Trump is both racist and a rapist. A court found him a rapist. So there.

As for the racist thing, as you know, I have sworn never to debate that with you. It is worse than debating someone who says the Earth does not circumnavigate the sun.

Oh, and you need to come off the far right train. Not good for mental health. (Hint: you see hou easy it is to say that in response to anything?)

Needless to say you are silent on the fact that this Vance called this same Trump Hitler.

Which court found Trump a racist. Educate me.

Vance claimed those comments were influence by fake news from the media. He should have done better to establish the truth before making comments just as I'm admonishing you to do now

Kukutente23:
Which court found Trump a racist. Educate me.

I said rapist.

Vance claimed those comments were influence by fake news from the media. He should have done better to establish the truth before making comments just as I'm admonishing you to do now

No worries, the same excuse avails Reno, Bwala and co.
You cant see how far gone you are, how lost you are in this matter, how deeply brainwashed you are in this matter and I will not bother myself about it. Anyone who can dismiss "they are poisoning our blood" with a comparison to Jehovah's Witnesses should not disturb one. Unless one wants to go mad.

Temple1288:
Come back where?

Guy where have you been??

samonak:
On this, I can't but agree with you. God has given the world another chance. At least the break pedal has been pumped on a lot of New World Order agenda. The time table for the emergence of the son of perdition has been temporarily halted for NOW!

Elon musk made this post after Trump won.

Do you even know what those words mean? He knows he has a horde of ignorant people behind him who he can rub his agenda in their faces and they still won’t get it.

If you don’t want the so called new world order, why are you supporting Trump when the people propping him up are the ones who are seeking to bring about the said new world order?

DeepSight:
I said rapist.



No worries, the same excuse avails Reno, Bwala and co.
You cant see how far gone you are, how lost you are in this matter, how deeply brainwashed you are in this matter and I will not bother myself about it. Anyone who can dismiss "they are poisoning our blood" with a comparison to Jehovah's Witnesses should not disturb one. Unless one wants to go mad.

Which court found him a rapist?
Reno et al are jobbers. No one will consider them for any serious political office. Even Tinubu had to change his stance on Buhari in other to get into office. I'm not saying it's a good thing but there's a difference between political realignment and bootlicking from fools like Reno and Bwala

God did something spectacular in America but the blind couldn't saw it coming so they did what they thought was the best but their plan was a gross mess that had ever occurred in America since inception, though I love the way the losser accepted the outcome. You guys should try again next time!!. I am a Trumpeter we have the keys to strategize and come out victoriously

cococandy:
Elon musk made this post cater Trump won.

Do you even know what those words mean? He knows he has a horde of ignorant people behind him who he can rub his agenda in their faces and they still won’t get it.

If you don’t want the so called new world order, why are you supporting Trump when the people propping him up are the ones who are seeking to bring about the said new world order?

WRONG, NOBODY CAN CONTROL TRUMP, WHICH IS THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE WITH HIM.



AS FOR AMERICA, THEIR IS ONLY ONE AMERICAN PARTY WITH TWO SIDES LIKE A COIN, CONTROLED BY THE SAME PEOPLE PLAYING BOTH SIDES.



ELON POPPED OVER ON THEIR BEHALF, THEY HAVE TO BE IN GOVERNMENT.


ELON HAVE BEEN NOTICED AND TRUMP IS HOPING TO USE HIM FOR THE OTHER WAY, WHILST ELON IS HOPING TO TAKE HIM IN THEIR NEW WORLD ORDER DIRECTION.


EITHER WAY TRUMP IS A SETBACK.

cococandy:
Elon musk made this post cater Trump won.

Do you even know what those words mean? He knows he has a horde of ignorant people behind him who he can rub his agenda in their faces and they still won’t get it.

If you don’t want the so called new world order, why are you supporting Trump when the people propping him up are the ones who are seeking to bring about the said new world order?

TRUMP IS LIKE KANYE WEST AND THEY ARE FRIENDS.



CAN YOU CONTROL KANYYE?

Kukutente23:
Which court found him a rapist?

In Carroll v. Trump, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York reviewed the damages awarded to Donald Trump’s sexual battery victim.

The high-profile 2023 case began when E. Jean Carroll sued Donald Trump for sexual assault and defamation.

The federal jury implicitly found that Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll with his fingers in the 1990s. As a result, it found him liable for sexually abusing her. It also found Trump liable for defaming Carroll in 2022 when he denied her allegations.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

Now, since I know the extremes you will go to in order to evade the obvious when it comes to Trump, I find it useful to provide a definition of rape here (not for you, because you will be blind for Trump - but for readers who pass by in future) -

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape

Forcibly inserting your fingers into a woman's vagina without her consent meets the definition of rape.

Reno et al are jobbers. No one will consider them for any serious political office. Even Tinubu had to change his stance on Buhari in other to get into office. I'm not saying it's a good thing but there's a difference between political realignment and bootlicking from fools like Reno and Bwala

Youy are just making cheap excuses against the obvious. The same excuses you make for Vance avail both Bwala and Omokri. Also it shows you have no moral right to go about condemning people for calling him Hitler.

DeepSight:
In Carroll v. Trump, the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York reviewed the damages awarded to Donald Trump’s sexual battery victim.

The high-profile 2023 case began when E. Jean Carroll sued Donald Trump for sexual assault and defamation.

The federal jury implicitly found that Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll with his fingers in the 1990s. As a result, it found him liable for sexually abusing her. It also found Trump liable for defaming Carroll in 2022 when he denied her allegations.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-sd-new-yor/114642632.html

Now, since I know the extremes you will go to in order to evade the obvious when it comes to Trump, I find it useful to provide a definition of rape here (not for you, because you will be blind for Trump - but for readers who pass by in future) -

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape

Forcibly inserting your fingers into a woman's vagina without her consent meets the definition of rape.

Trump is a very powerful man. He's the first man found guilty of rape and still allowed to walk free. Bro.... Even the court did not find him guilty of rape. Did you read your link at all?

Youy are just making cheap excuses against the obvious. The same excuses you make for Vance avail both Bwala and Omokri. Also it shows you have no moral right to go about condemning people for calling him Hitler.

There's no cheap excuse. Vance is not a jobber like Bwala or Omokri. He was a sitting senator in his own right. You really can't compare him to those guys whose allegiance is for the highest bidder. If you are going to do that, what are you going to say to Kamala who has had a 180 degree turn on all position she canvasssed in 2019/20

Kukutente23:
Trump is a very powerful man. He's the first man found guilty of rape and still allowed to walk free. Bro.... Even the court did not find him guilty of rape. Did you read your link at all?

Maybe you didnt read it. He was found liable for it in a civil action. This happens.

There's no cheap excuse. Vance is not a jobber like Bwala or Omokri. He was a stting senator in his own right. You really can't compare him to those guys whose allegiance is for the highest bidder. If you are going to do that, what are you going to say to Kamala who has had a 180 degree turn on all position she canvasssed in 2019/20

It is a cheap excuse. A very cheap excuse. He was not an ill schooled baby when he called Trump Hitler. He was a Yale educated full blown adult already widely exposed. Your excuse is laughable. But thats the effect of being a Trumpist. You tend to excuse everything. This is part of why I will not debate you on his racism. It might give me a seizure, the shocking things you will say. I already escaped one.

DeepSight:
Maybe you didnt read it. He was found liable for it in a civil action. This happens.

Rape is a crime. You can't try a crime in a civil court. It is tried in a criminal court. This is directly from your link.

The federal jury implicitly found that Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll with his fingers in the 1990s. As a result, it found him liable for sexually abusing her. It also found Trump liable for defaming Carroll in 2022 when he denied her allegations.

The jury awarded her $5 million in total damages:

$2 million in compensatory damages for sexual battery
$2.7 million in compensatory damages for defamation
$280,000 in punitive damages for defamation

Show me where rape is mentioned there. Mind you, New York legislature enacted a new law to try such cases all because of Trump. Imagine that. Enact a law because you want to get at your political opponent

It is a cheap excuse. A very cheap excuse. He was not an ill schooled baby when he called Trump Hitler. He was a Yale educated full blown adult already widely exposed. Your excuse is laughable. But thats the effect of being a Trumpist. You tend to excuse everything. This is part of why I will not debate you on his racism. It might give me a seizure, the shocking things you will say. I already escaped one.

You can call it a cheap excuse. If you do, you should explain why Kamala disowned her previous stance on national issues and embraced a new set of ideas the moment she was selected to run for president. How do you explain such shocking inconsistency?

Kukutente23:
Rape is a crime. You can't try a crime in a civil court. It is tried in a criminal court. This is directly from your link.

Show me where rape is mentioned there. Mind you, New York legislature enacted a new law to try such cases all because of Trump. Imagine that. Enact a law because you want to get at your political opponent



You can call it a cheap excuse. If you do, you should explain why Kamala disowned her previous stance on national issues and embraced a new set of ideas the moment she was selected to run for president. How do you explain such shocking inconsistency?

I think we should leave American Politics out of our interaction. Your extremism is too great, and worse you cant even see it.

I at least have shown some balance (e.g: I told you I align with the right on Trans issues and the like / I also mentioned two instances where I thought Trump was lied against). You, by contrast, probably cannot ever concede a single good point to the left or ever condemn a single thing Trump has done or said no matter how egregrious or obnoxious. That you can defend "they are poisoning our blood," JD Vance mocking childless people and the like, speaks enough.

As you know, and as I have told you, I generally enjoy interacting with you: it is rare that I am able to abide an extremist Trumpist of your ilk, so to keep things that way, I suggest we avoid this topic. Especially as I sense your extremism is rooted in religion.

PS: On the bold - maybe you know little of law. American law in particular makes it possible to bring civil actions against one accused of a crime. Thats what happened there.

DeepSight:
I think we should leave American Politics out of our interaction. Your extremism is too great, and worse you cant even see it.

I at least have shown some balance (e.g: I told you align with the right on Trans issues and the like / I also mentioned two instances where I thought Trump was lied against). You, by contrast, probably cannot ever concede a single good point to the left or ever condemn a single thing Trump has done or said no matter how egregrious or obnoxious. That you can defend "they are poisoning our blood," JD Vance mocking childless people and the like, speaks enough.

As you know, I have told you, I generally enjoy interacting with you: it is rare that I am able to abide an extremist Trumpist of your ilk, so to keep things that way, I suggest we avoid this topic. Especially as I sense your extremism is rooted in religion.

PS: On the bold - maybe you know little of law. American law i particular makes it possible to bring civil actions against one accused of a crime. Thats what happened there.

Haha. Religion? How and why?

No. I detest the obvious lies and mischaracterization against Trump. That's my point. I'm not his fan. But the MSM lie against him repeatedly. The Demonrat leaders turn themselves to some sort of moral police to decide for everyone how to behave in the political arena. That's crap. They are a bunch of hypocrites.
What do you want me to concede to you? If you give me a good point, I'll accept. But you can't tell me JD Vance is worse than Trump simply because he called some women childless cat ladies. I agree it is in poor taste but that does not make him an unelectable person. Same goes for saying he changed his stance on Trump. You can't hold him for that when Kamala did worse. Except you are ready to agree with me that Kamala is also worse than Trump for changing her stance just because she wants to get into office. Then I'll concede that part to you.

Oh and educate me pls what part of US laws says a crime can be tried in a civil case. Never heard of it

Kukutente23:
Oh and educate me pls what part of US laws says a crime can be tried in a civil case. Never heard of it

CAN A PERSON COMMIT A CRIME AND ALSO BE SUED IN A CIVIL COURT FOR THE SAME ACT?
The answer is yes. Some actions involve both criminal and civil matters. For example, assault can be both a civil matter and a criminal matter. It is criminal case because when one person intentionally strikes and injures another individual, he has committed a crime in violation of the Penal Code. At the same time, if a victim of said crime receives injuries and experiences pain and suffering, he can sue the person who caused the injury in civil court for money damages to compensate the victim for his medical expenses, pain and suffering.

Many court cases can be both civil and criminal. For example, a person who has intentionally killed another can be charged in criminal court with homicide and can also be sued civilly for wrongful death. A person who takes your car can be charged criminally with larceny and can be sued civilly for conversion.

Because the standard of proof in a criminal case is higher than that of a civil lawsuit, a guilty verdict or plea may help a plaintiff in their civil lawsuit. However, a not guilty verdict in the criminal case does not stop the civil case from proceeding forward on its own merits.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-monroe-law101/chapter/comparing-and-contrasting-civil-and-criminal-law/

The Jury in the Carroll case found Trump liable for forcefully pushing his fingers into her vagina - and that is rape, whether they used the word or not.

As to the rest, as I said, I cant engage you on American politics. I think you are too extreme. Perhaps a day will come when you see that. I will leave you with the thought that when you cant condemn a single thing in one candidate (especially one such as Trump) and cant praise a single thing in another, that is a clear sign that you have a strong problem of extremist bias. It is worse when you complain of lies against him when he is the King of lies.

Mathepedia:
It has already happened, just fix your mistakes and come back

First, they must identify the mistake. What do you think their mistake was?

DeepSight:
CAN A PERSON COMMIT A CRIME AND ALSO BE SUED IN A CIVIL COURT FOR THE SAME ACT?
The answer is yes. Some actions involve both criminal and civil matters. For example, assault can be both a civil matter and a criminal matter. It is criminal case because when one person intentionally strikes and injures another individual, he has committed a crime in violation of the Penal Code. At the same time, if a victim of said crime receives injuries and experiences pain and suffering, he can sue the person who caused the injury in civil court for money damages to compensate the victim for his medical expenses, pain and suffering.

Many court cases can be both civil and criminal. For example, a person who has intentionally killed another can be charged in criminal court with homicide and can also be sued civilly for wrongful death. A person who takes your car can be charged criminally with larceny and can be sued civilly for conversion.

Because the standard of proof in a criminal case is higher than that of a civil lawsuit, a guilty verdict or plea may help a plaintiff in their civil lawsuit. However, a not guilty verdict in the criminal case does not stop the civil case from proceeding forward on its own merits.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/suny-monroe-law101/chapter/comparing-and-contrasting-civil-and-criminal-law/

The Jury in the Carroll case found Trump liable for forcefully pushing his fingers into her vagina - and that is rape, whether they used the word or not.

As to the rest, as I said, I cant engage you on American politics. I think you are too extreme. Perhaps a day will come when you see that. I will leave you with the thought that when you cant condemn a single thing in one candidate (especially one such as Trump) and cant praise a single thing in another, that is a clear sign that you have a strong problem of extremist bias. It is worse when you complain of lies against him when he is the King of lies.

But what you qouted here makes a distinction between the civil and criminal case. Rape is a criminal case and can't be tried in a civil suit. Sexual battery or assault can be tried in a civil suit as long as the person is not alleging any bodliy injury or unwanted penetration. You need to understand that distinction. In the link you provided, from her testimony, Carroll never claimed he penetrated her against her will. What she is saying is he penetrated forcefully. The lines are blurred but if it amounted to rape, it will immediately be rejected by the court as a criminal case. I hope you get it.

Trump lies. All politicians do. The fault is in those who believe their lies. I will not excuse Trump's lies but I will not expect him to be of better behaviour than his peers. That's the difference between You and I. You are ready to break Trump's head for lying about the birther movement for example but you will excuse Kamala who lied that there is no US soldier in active duty in a war zone or that she worked a summer job at McDonald's. Heck you are even ready to defend her lies!! And I'm the extremist?

Kukutente23:
But what you qouted here makes a distinction between the civil and criminal case. Rape is a criminal case and can't be tried in a civil suit. Sexual battery or assault can be tried in a civil suit as long as the person is not alleging any bodliy injury or unwanted penetration. You need to understand that distinction. In the link you provided, from her testimony, Carroll never claimed he penetrated her against her will. What she is saying is he penetrated forcefully. The lines are blurred but if it amounted to rape, it will immediately be rejected by the court as a criminal case. I hope you get it.

No it will not be rejected by the court. A litigant is entitled to bring a civil case for damages against a person who has committed a crime against him or her. This is actually elementary. This is how O. J. Simpson was found liable for murder in a civil case despite being acquitted in a criminal case on account of technicalities. He was ordered to pay $33.5 Million in damages.

https://apnews.com/article/oj-simpson-dead-cancer-football-murder-trial-782a2c38373a695a9b12e4371ece9cf8

Trump lies. All politicians do. The fault is in those who believe their lies. I will not excuse Trump's lies but I will not expect him to be of better behaviour than his peers. That's the difference between You and I. You are ready to break Trump's head for lying about the birther movement for example but you will excuse Kamala who lied that there is no US soldier in active duty in a war zone or that she worked a summer job at McDonald's. Heck you are even ready to defend her lies!! And I'm the extremist?

As I said, I dont think we should discuss this matter any further.

DeepSight:
No it will not be rejected by the court. A litigant is entitled to bring a civil case for damages against a person who has committed a crime against him or her. This is actually elementary. This is how O. J. Simpson was found liable for murder in a civil case despite being acquitted in a criminal case on account of technicalities. He was ordered to pay $33.5 Million in damages.

https://apnews.com/article/oj-simpson-dead-cancer-football-murder-trial-782a2c38373a695a9b12e4371ece9cf8



As I said, I dont think we should discuss this matter any further.

OJ Simpson was not found guilty of murder in a civil court. He was found liable for wrongful death. The point still stands. He was not charged for murder which is a crime in a civil court

Kukutente23:
OJ Simpson was not found guilty of murder in a civil court. He was found liable for wrongful death. The point still stands. He was not charged for murder which is a crime in a civil court

I dont know what distinction you are making that one doesnt already know. I am only showing you what I said - that people can face civil trials for crimes they commit. And that is elementary.

The link I shared explained already - it used assault as an example.

Its really simple, but this is what extremism on any topic does to a usually bright and logical fella. He suddenly becomes foggy about the simplest things.

DeepSight:
I dont know what distinction you are making that one doesnt already know. I am only showing you what I said - that people can face civil trials for crimes they commit. And that is elementary.

The link I shared explained already - it used assault as an example.

Its really simple, but this is what extremism on any topic does to a usually bright and logical fella. He suddenly becomes foggy about the simplest things.

So Trump is not a rapist as the leftist media deceived you

Kukutente23:


So Trump is not a rapist as the leftist media deceived you

He is.

What he did is rape. Saying he is not, is same as saying O. J is no killer.

And remember you are greatly deceived by the rightist media as well. Again, you see how easy it is to allege that.

Anyway, I really mean it when I say we should leave off this topic.

DeepSight:
He is.

What he did is rape. Saying he is not, is same as saying O. J is no killer.

And remember you are greatly deceived by the rightist media as well. Again, you see how easy it is to allege that.

Anyway, I really mean it when I say we should leave off this topic.

Bro
He was never convicted of rape
So how do you now say he's a rapist?

Kukutente23:


Bro
He was never convicted of rape
So how do you now say he's a rapist?

I have told you I am closing discussions on American Politics with you. Its done.

DeepSight:
I have told you I am closing discussions on American Politics with you. Its done.

Ok