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Earlier today, news of an update regarding David Hundeyin's FOIA disclosure case on Tinubu was published by many news websites. As usual, Nigerians were quick to react to it by posting comments on several social media websites, I was privilaged to engage with several users of this platform on matter and I must say that some of the comments I read were shocking, I felt ashamed reading these comments because it is challenging to believe that educated people will reason or behave the way some users reacted to the issue.... What I learnt from Tinubu's CIA asset scandal is that many Nigerians have no moral compass left in them and will support Tinubu even if a video evidence is presented showing that he shot and killed a child in cold blood. Simply put, many Nigerians are willing to trade their life on the alter of tribalism to ensure that Tinubu remains the president irrespective of whatever evil act he does.....

US intelligence agency's response to the FOIA requests was a damning one that I believe no sane sovereign African country will treat with lavity. The reaction of many Nigerians and the Nigerian government to this issue led to me to my final conclusion that Nigeria is indeed not a sane country because if Nigeria is a sane country, the fact that Tinubu was implicated in a drug related case and has a damning file in the possession of a foreign government should be enough reason to impeach and remove him immediately.... Seeing Nigerians insulting and fighting each other instead of calling for his impeachment today was a shameful sight to behold....

It is hopeless to keep pretending that Nigeria can function as a sane country or attain any meaningful progress when a majority of it's citizens are deeply biased, sentimentally compromised towards holding their government accountable, when a majority of it's citizens are incapable of admitting the truth about a crime committed irrespectful of the tribe of the person involved due to deep rooted tribal hateful sentiments ..... Tinubu's shameful presidency lays credence to the fact that the APC propaganda machine have won and Nigeria's enemies are laughing at Nigerians....

Since majority of the people have become hopelessly lost to tribalism, religious bigotry, corruption and dishonesty to the point they can longer tell themselves the truth or reason like normal human beings, Nigerians have only 2 options to choose if they want to salvage what is left of their country.

First option - Weaken the centralized government by decentralizing political and economic power structures to devolve to regions/states.....

Second option - Divide the country so it's regions can go separate ways....

Anything short of these 2 options is a waste of time... Nigeria's unity is a scam, Nigeria's unity is a mirage..... it's a shame.....

We are not going anywhere.

Tinubu is our president and he will serve his full term.

All these wishful thinking from the opposition will not work.

I know that is why I am making the case for Nigerians to restructure or divide the country so you can enjoy your president in peace and let others who do not want him to move on.....

tundegan:
We are not going anywhere.

Tinubu is our president and he will serve his full term.

All these wishful thinking from the opposition will not work.

This is a very long but shameful hate speech. Anyone who has lost a loved one to drug abuse and trafficking will be deeply pained by this fake news and hate speech.

May God bless Nigeria for ever!

Okay this is why I am making the case for Nigerians to restructure or divide the country so you can enjoy your president in peace and let others who do not want him to move on.....

Anither563:
This is a very long but shameful hate speech. Anyone who has lost a loved one to drug abuse and trafficking will be deeply pained by this fake news and hate speech.

May God bless Nigeria for ever!

Bebigiby1:
I know that is why I am making the case for Nigerians to restructure or divide the country so you can enjoy your president in peace and let others who do not want him to move on.....

That makes no sense!

The people refuse to lift even a finger to impeach him but somehow magically you conclude that what is needed is for the country to be restructured and divided. What is up with the way you all reason? Who's gonna make that happen if not the same comatose people who refuse to impeach the Tinubu you are against? Or are you seriously trying to say that the politician in office today would somehow grow a conscience and hand you a divided Nigeria on a platter or something? Wake the fk up abeg!

I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided.... Nothing can solve the country's problem until it is done....

Tinubu might have given away information in plea bargain on a powerful drug figure like Escobar Pablo or another big baron which secured his freedom from the case

Tinubu is the president and he will continue to be the president.

All these noise is just noise.

Bebigiby1:
■ It is hopeless to keep pretending that Nigeria can function as a sane country or attain any meaningful progress
■ when a majority of it's citizens are deeply biased, sentimentally compromised towards holding their government accountable, when a majority of it's citizens are incapable of admitting the truth about a crime committed irrespectful of the tribe of the person involved due to deep rooted tribal hateful sentiments ..... Tinubu's shameful presidency lays credence to the fact that the APC propaganda machine have won and Nigeria's enemies are laughing at Nigerians.... Since majority of the people have become hopelessly lost to tribalism, religious bigotry corruption and dishonesty to the point they can longer tell themselves the truth or reason like normal human beings,
■ Nigerians have only 2 options to choose if they want to salvage what is left of their country. First option - Weaken the centralized government by decentralizing political and economic power structures to devolve to regions,/states..... Second option - Divide the country so it's regions can go separate ways.... Anything short of these 2 options is a waste of time... Nigeria's unity is a scam, Nigeria's unity is a mirage..... it's a shame.....

1. It's hopeless pretending? Who is pretending though? The Nigerian people who have yet to lift a single finger to fight for that which you claim they want? Or the Politicians who are very much at home with things — the people's reaction and the free loot they continue to nab— as they are?

2. The majority of citizens who do absolutely nothing cut across pretty much every tribe and group in that Nation. So, who are you trying to save? A minority who really have no place of their own anywhere in that nation among any single group? COME ON!!

3. Considering what you typed earlier, this amounts to a bullsheet conclusion. Again, the majority you described earlier belong to every tribe, every religion, every group, and every divide in that nation. They have no desire whatsoever to fight for change or anything of the sort since they are at home with all that exists as is. So, why do you keep pushing these disconnected ideas as solutions?

Cognitive dissonance na craze ooo! 😶😶😶😶😶

I am only sharing my final thoughts on what is best for Nigerians, I do not know how Nigerians will achieve it or what they really want as a people.... The truth is that Nigerians are wasting their time as nothing good can come from forcing a union that can not work..... I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided.... Nothing can solve the country's problem until it is done....

Kobojunkie:
That makes no sense!

The people refuse to lift even a finger to impeach him but somehow magically you conclude that what is needed is for the country to be restructured and divided. What is up with the way you all reason? Who's gonna make that happen if not the same comatose people who refuse to impeach the Tinubu you are against? Or are you seriously trying to say that the politician in office today would somehow grow a conscience and hand you a divided Nigeria on a platter or something? Wake the fk up abeg!

Bebigiby1:
I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided.... Nothing can solve the country's problem until it is done....

What totally convinced you that this is even a good solution in a country where according to you, the vast majority — scattered across every tribe, every ethnic group, every religious group, etc.— are not wiling to lift a single finger to do anything to change the status quo? Aren't you sort of projecting your private delusions as a solution instead?

Yes he is your president that is why I am making the case for Nigerians to restructure or divide the country so you can enjoy your president in peace and let others who do not want him to move on.....

odejimioflagos:
Tinubu is the president and he will continue to be the president.

All these noise is just noise.

A country that can function sanely and effectively doesnt have the luxury of these kinds of conversations.

Bebigiby1:
■ I am only sharing my final thoughts on what is best for Nigerians, I do not how Nigerians will achieve it or what they want as a people....
■ The truth is that Nigerians are wasting their time as nothing good can come from forcing a union that can not work..... I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided.... Nothing can solve the country's problem until it is done....

There has to exist a direct connection between this final thought of yours and the reality of things as they exist. That connection is entirely missing from all of your write-ups so far.

2. There are 774 local government areas in Nigeria... municipalities where if the people truly wished for progress, they could easily begin making it happen for themselves as is. To date, none of those 774 municipalities can boast of any of the following
■ Clean water supply to homes
■ Robust sewage and water management system
■ Effective Waste management system
■ Good schools with world-standard educational and Skills training services
■ Internet connectivity in both homes and businesses
■ Electricity supply to homes and businesses(through building of dams, use of wind turbines, and better distribution services)
■ World Standard equipped Healthcare network
■ Sturdy road network complete
■ Passenger Rail system linking at least the major towns and cities
■ Network of Libraries with free access to members of the public to support learning
■ Better prison facilities and rehabilitation programs
■ Expansion of police-community programs to help capture crimes across all parts of the state.
■ Robust Gas transmission network for the direct piping of gas into homes. , etc.

And this is all despite the billions in remissions sent back to Nigeria year after year by people abroad. So, what makes you think that division of Nigeria is the answer to development at the local level where nothing really stopping that even today.

ebukal67x:
A country that can function sanely and effectively doesnt have the luxury of these kinds of conversations.

That country can only exist if the people are willing to fight to make that happen and stand by it. Nigerians, the people, are not interested in any of the sort though as clearly indicated by the OP. So?

Where is the shame in the response to the FOIA request?

You are right, my opinion is not popular among the majority and has not been accepted by the majority till now because even before the 2023 presidential election, I had decided to embark on a personal campaign to enlighten and convince the majority regarding the need to look beyond useless elections that are always rigged in finding a lasting solution to Nigeria's prioblems.... I do not support any of the popular candidates (Atiku, Obi or Tinubu) or even believe that participating in presidential election can bring about any positive change to Nigeria.... I've always maintained my stand on the notion that Nigeria has a foundational problem....

As they say good things sometimes require great patience and effort to achieve, I believe that what we post on popular platforms like Nairaland is been read by many Nigerians so even though currently it appears to be a hopeless cause to galvanise the majority to see the need to change the status quo, I believe that there is hope due to the fact that many Nigerians login to these platforms to read these posts.... This is why I've continued to engage and air my opinion regarding Nigeria's issues on these social platforms believing that hopefully, one day Nigerians will see the need to fight for their future.... Tinubu's presidency has reinforced my earlier conviction that Nigeria can not work for the people in it's current form unless it is totally restructured or divided.... I will hold on to that hope and continue to air views until maybe Nigeria is saved or it is totally destroyed.... Above all, it is the Nigerian people that will decide the fate of Nigeria....

Kobojunkie:
1. It's hopeless pretending? Who is pretending though? The Nigerian people who have yet to lift a single finger to fight for that which you claim they want? Or the Politicians who are very much at home with things — the people's reaction and the free loot they continue to nab— as they are?

2. The majority of citizens who do absolutely nothing cut across pretty much every tribe and group in that Nation. So, who are you trying to save? A minority who really have no place of their own anywhere in that nation among any single group? COME ON!!

3. Considering what you typed earlier, this amounts to a bullsheet conclusion. Again, the majority you described earlier belong to every tribe, every religion, every group, and every divide in that nation. They have no desire whatsoever to fight for change or anything of the sort since they are at home with all that exists as is. So, why do you keep pushing these disconnected ideas as solutions?

Cognitive dissonance na craze ooo! 😶😶😶😶😶

I am of the opinion that there exists a mass political psychosis in Nigeria due to the centralized power structure that is been adopted within the various tiers of government.... Because of inherent tribalistic instincts of the average Nigerian, many people are automatically conditioned to focus at the center (Federal Government) when benchmarking and evaluating government performance. You can not blame them per say as so much power and resouces is concentrated at the center (Federal Government). This is why the person who gets to occupy the office of the president is seen as a mini god in eyes of Nigerians, he is seen as one who can do and undo.... The current useless crop of politicians running the government knows this and they have overtime perfected the art of using it to their advantage against the people. State governors are able to get away with incompetence by promoting both phantom and statutory limitations imposed on them by the federal government as a major reason for underperformance while the president at federal level plays tribal victim card by rallying his base and tribes men against other Nigerians to cover his loot and cover his woeful performance..... These prolonged propaganda orchestrated by evil politicials within the various arms of the government has weakened and conquered the people.... Nigerians are too divided now to see and tackle these issues objectively. I had hoped that the widespread hunger, the disastrous and terrible economic situation unleashed by Tinubu's government would've been a uniting factor among Nigerians but unfortunately I was wrong as hateful tribalism and religious bigotry still prevailed. This is why I am totally convinced that Nigeria needs to be totally restructured or divided for the people to have a chance at experiencing genuine sustainable progress..... Majority of Nigerians may not agree with my final submission now but with time they may understand why and actually do something about it.... Nigeria is in a terrible situation now but it is not over as there is still a little time left to salvage the country..... As I said earlier, I will continue to engage with Nigerians on these platforms, I will continue to push for a better country and I hope it happens but If majority of Nigerians decide to do nothing and they fail to save the country.... Then my consolation over the eventual destruction of the country is that I was not silent, I tried to warn them....

Kobojunkie:
There has to exist a direct connection between this final thought of yours and the reality of things as they exist. That connection is entirely missing from all of your write-ups so far.

2. There are 774 local government areas in Nigeria... municipalities where if the people truly wished for progress, they could easily begin making it happen for themselves as is. To date, none of those 774 municipalities can boast of any of the following
■ Clean water supply to homes
■ Robust sewage and water management system
■ Effective Waste management system
■ Good schools with world-standard educational and Skills training services
■ Internet connectivity in both homes and businesses
■ Electricity supply to homes and businesses(through building of dams, use of wind turbines, and better distribution services)
■ World Standard equipped Healthcare network
■ Sturdy road network complete
■ Passenger Rail system linking at least the major towns and cities
■ Network of Libraries with free access to members of the public to support learning
■ Better prison facilities and rehabilitation programs
■ Expansion of police-community programs to help capture crimes across all parts of the state.
■ Robust Gas transmission network for the direct piping of gas into homes. , etc.

And this is all despite the billions in remissions sent back to Nigeria year after year by people abroad. So, what makes you think that division of Nigeria is the answer to development at the local level where nothing really stopping that even today.

Did you read the news about it?

HgAkpobomeEr:
Where is the shame in the response to the FOIA request?

Bebigiby1:
■ You are right, my opinion is not popular among the majority and has not been accepted by the majority till now because even before the 2023 presidential election, I had decided to embark on a personal campaign to enlighten and convince the majority regarding the need to look beyond useless elections that are always rigged in finding a lasting solution to Nigeria's prioblems.... I do not support any of the popular candidates (Atiku, Obi or Tinubu) or even believe that participating in presidential election can bring about any positive change to Nigeria.... I've always maintained my stand on the notion that Nigeria has a foundational problem....
■ As they say good things sometimes require great patience and effort to achieve, I believe that what we post on popular platforms like Nairaland is been read by many Nigerians so even though currently it appears to be a hopeless cause to galvanise the majority to see the need to change the status quo, I believe that there is hope due to the fact that many Nigerians login to these platforms to read these posts....
■ This is why I've continued to engage and air my opinion regarding Nigeria's issues on these social platforms believing that hopefully, one day Nigerians will see the need to fight for their future.... Tinubu's presidency has reinforced my ealrier conviction that Nigeria can not work for the people in it's current form unless it is without totally restructured or divided.... I will hold on to that hope and continue to air views until maybe Nigeria is saved or it is totally destroyed.... Above all, it is the Nigerian people that will decide the fate of Nigeria....

1. 🤔

2. Let's for the sake of discussion pretend that this idea of yours qualifies as a good idea and this statement you hold applies, are we to believe that this great patience and effort comes from you posting this disconnected logic of yours — it is indeed disconnected from the reality of life and living for Nigerians in Nigeria to this moment—on Nairaland? Has there been any time in the history of Nigeria or Africa when this sort of galvanization has ever occurred and been classified as good by the majority? Cause at the end of the day, we are dealing with the Nigerian people here and not aliens. 😏

3. The vast majority of Nigerians in Nigeria don't even have a clue what it means to fight for their kin and kids — their own flesh and blood—let alone the future. So, is this hope of yours for this generation or for a future generation to come... that is typically what people who share the same view as you usually admit to after all is said and done. 🤔

Bebigiby1:
■ I am of the opinion that there exists a mass political psychosis in Nigeria due to the centralized power structure that is been adopted within the various tiers of government.... [b]Because of inherent tribalistic instincts of the average Nigerian, many people are automatically conditioned to focus at the center (Federal Government) when benchmarking and evaluating government performance. You can not blame them per say as so much power and resouces is concentrated at the center (Federal Government). [/b]This is why the person who gets to occupy the office of president is seen as a mini god in eyes of Nigerians, he is seen as one who can do and undo....

That sounds more like an excuse than anything else actually. Yes, the FG has a lot of power, however, it is not the only power in the country at all, and neither is it the government will the only say when it comes to the lives and livelihood of the people at the bottom. That you describe the average Nigerian as tribalistic and hence inordinately distracted by that which he/she should not be is to attempt to shift blame for the problems individual Nigerians have— albeit what seems a majority — on the Government. I mean what you described seems more like a psychological problem than anything else.

Kobojunkie:
There has to exist a direct connection between this final thought of yours and the reality of things as they exist. That connection is entirely missing from all of your write-ups so far.

2. There are 774 local government areas in Nigeria... municipalities where if the people truly wished for progress, they could easily begin making it happen for themselves as is. To date, none of those 774 municipalities can boast of any of the following
■ Clean water supply to homes
■ Robust sewage and water management system
■ Effective Waste management system
■ Good schools with world-standard educational and Skills training services
■ Internet connectivity in both homes and businesses
■ Electricity supply to homes and businesses(through building of dams, use of wind turbines, and better distribution services)
■ World Standard equipped Healthcare network
■ Sturdy road network complete
■ Passenger Rail system linking at least the major towns and cities
■ Network of Libraries with free access to members of the public to support learning
■ Better prison facilities and rehabilitation programs
■ Expansion of police-community programs to help capture crimes across all parts of the state.
■ Robust Gas transmission network for the direct piping of gas into homes. , etc.

And this is all despite the billions in remissions sent back to Nigeria year after year by people abroad. So, what makes you think that division of Nigeria is the answer to development at the local level where nothing really stopping that even today.

They use it to fund "I better pass my neighbor" projects.

I blame the system that is currently in place and not really the tribalistic majority or the opportunistic corrupt politicians that are benefitting from it..... Seem you misunderstood me as what I am trying to say is that Nigeria is running on a faulty system that can not work for the people, it brings out the worst in Nigerians and always divides them..... I am totally convinced that no genuine progress can be made unless that system is modified or removed..... The mass political psychosis among Nigerians will only get worse as greedy selfish politicians like Tinubu et al continue to push divisive propaganda to take advantage of the disunity among Nigerians and plunder the nation's resourses.... I've made my point regarding the best way out for Nigerians. Can you proffer a solution or suggest ways these issues can be tackled instead of your continued microscopic defeatist rebuttal to my posts?

I want to read your thoughts on how best to handle this situation..... In your own words "....The Nigerian people who have yet to lift a single finger to fight for that which you claim they want?...." Why do you think Nigerians are like this? Do you believe there is hope of anything changing for the better? For the minority who do not share in the foolishness of the majority and can not japa but are stuck in Nigeria what do you suggest they should do?

Will like to read your thoughts on these issues....

Kobojunkie:
That sounds more like an excuse than anything else actually. Yes, the FG has a lot of power, however, it is not the only power in the country at all, and neither is it the government will the only say when it comes to the lives and livelihood of the people at the bottom. That you describe the average Nigerian as tribalistic and hence inordinately distracted by that which he/she should not be is to attempt to shift blame for the problems individual Nigerians have— albeit what seems a majority — on the Government. I mean what you described seems more like a psychological problem than anything else.

Bebigiby1:
. it's a shame.....

I am ashamed this one too will classify himself as educated! This here is a supposedly educated trash Nigeria produced! What a shane. Tinubu is a CIA agent and the us government will openly admit it because of hungry dog? Real shame to all the bloody years you spent in your so called school. Real shame☹️

The joke is on you.... Your personal attacks can not remove Tinubu's baggages, a dubious personality like him is not fit to be Nigeria's president in my opinion... I made a resolution in my post that I believe will benefit all Nigerians including you yet you are so bitter that you are quick to resort to insulting me.... Nigeria needs to be restructured or divided so that you can avoid the emotional bitterness you exhibiting here..... It needs to happen so that you can be happy having Tinubu as your leader in your region and others moving on to choose who they like as their leader.....

Kdon2:
I am ashamed this one too will classify himself as educated! This here is a supposedly educated trash Nigeria produced! What a shane. Tinubu is a CIA agent and the us government will openly admit it because of hungry dog? Real shame to all the bloody years you spent in your so called school. Real shame☹️

kkins25:
■ They use it to fund "I better pass my neighbor" projects.

That is pretty much what the majority of Nigerians in Nigeria live for. They are mostly carbon copies of their politicians only without the opportunity to loot at the same level.

@kobojunkie I am waiting for a solution oriented reply from you to my last post

Kobojunkie:
That is pretty much what the majority of Nigerians in Nigeria live for. Yet are carbon copies of their politicians only without the opportunity to loot at the same level.

Bebigiby1:
■ I blame the system that is currently in place and not really the tribalistic majority or the opportunistic corrupt politicians that are benefitting from it..... Seem you misunderstood me as what I am trying to say is that Nigeria is running on a faulty system that can not work for the people, it brings out the worst in Nigerians and always divides them..... I am totally convinced that no progress can be made unless that system is modified or removed..... The mass political psychosis among Nigerians will only get worse as greedy selfish politicians like Tinubu et al continue to push divisive propaganda to take advantage of the disunity among Nigerians and plunder the nation's resourses.... I've made my point regarding the best way out for Nigerians. Can you proffer a solution or suggest ways these issues can be tackled instead of your continued microscopic defeatist rebuttal to my posts
■ I want to read your thoughts on how best to handle this situation..... In your own words "....The Nigerian people who have yet to lift a single finger to fight for that which you claim they want?...." Why do you think Nigerians are like this? Do you believe there is hope of anything changing for the better? For the minority who do not share in the foolishness of the majority and can not japa but are stuck in Nigeria what do you suggest they should do?
Will like to read your thoughts on these issues....

1. Mental problems are not that easily blamed on others or systems. So, no point abeg! Not every Nigerian from that system is tribalistic and bigoted even though the vast majority turned out that way, so it is a copout of sorts to try to blame it on the system when it is more of individual psychosis.

2. My simple conclusion is that our value systems in Nigeria, and much of Africa are utterly worthless particularly where it has to do with personal and societal development. The society and educational system have been wrong for a long time and that is why we rarely raise people who put society and the welfare of others before their selfish desires and goals. Even at the tribal and traditional level, the very same is obtained. It's a no-brainer then why at the national level, all we have is the same mirror shone back at society. That's been my thought since my days growing up in Nigeria and it remains the same even today. Until we reconfigure our value system at the bottom, Nigerians will continue in the same part even if you were to divide it up this very day into over 250 different pieces— a piece for every ethnic group.

Bebigiby1:
@... I am waiting for a solution oriented reply from you to my last post

Solution? What you prescribed earlier isn't a solution though since it has already been tried before and was found wanting. So why expect a solution from me? I merely know where the problem that you described as though as mass psychosis in fact comes from. The solution... yeah... not for the current generation at all.